Transcript of "CLOWNS" (w/ Ana Gasteyer)

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Look, Matt, there.

Oh, I see my eye.

Oh, my.

Bowen, look over there.

Wow.

Is that the culture? Yes.

Goodness.

Wow.

Las culturistas Ding dong. Las culturistas calling.

I mean, it's a new era.

And what do you mean by that?

Christmas.

Oh, it's officially.

It's officially the holidays.

Officially the holidays. That's a fun spin on everything that's happened. It's holidays now.

Do you think that the Christmas spirit can thrive under fascism?

You know, that's an interest. Well, the thing is, we're not officially in fascism yet. We still have one.

But, you know, some people might argue with you. Your Noam Chomsky might say, oh, we've always been under. We've been in fascism for so long. Which is. God, what a terrible, rancid tone. To start this episode, what are we.

Going to do when. When look around and the world's on fire? What are you gonna say like, ooh, pass me my iced tea.

That's what we're meant to do as entertainers. Sometimes it's pass the iced tea.

Hey, pass me the iced tea. I mean, this is. It's a complicated thing, people. It's our first episode recording since the election. Obviously wanna express to everyone out there that is feeling terrible that we are all in it together. Lots of avalanche of reasons why this may have happened. It's kind of neither here nor there. Certainly not gonna get into it here on this episode.

No, certainly not.

But just if you're feeling.

Although we have the greatest political minds in one room.

Yeah.

I'm looking around and everyone here has something to contribute. Everyone has something to contribute to the solution. I mean it.

We just wanna say, if you're feeling down, that you have a hug from us.

And I really appreciate you saying that, Matt, about being in this together. I think this is an easy time for people to start to go for individualism and say, well, as long as I'm taken care of, then it's the best I can do. And that's true, and that's important. But also, I think I was talking to someone like a Week before, just being like, God, but what if it happens? And then we were saying, like, I think the best thing to do is just to be there for each other. Which sounds so saccharine, but I think it really is the only thing.

I think it's actually kind of time to think about things in a way like that, to be honest. Because again, more to come later. More to come when it feels appropriate and things have died down a little bit. But community is gonna be the way. And maybe some unexpected community.

If you're in New York. New York cares. Great thing to do. Just in terms of a spirit of volunteerism. I really enjoy the times, the few times that I've done something New York cares related. But it was during lockdown, and it was kind of like the only thing that made me feel good.

Yeah.

So I'm gonna start doing that again.

Tiny, beautiful things.

Tiny, beautiful things. And we have a tiny, beautiful person.

Tiny, beautiful. But here's the thing. Big, gorgeous talent.

Oh, of course.

A frontrunner for Tidal of ep.

Big, gorgeous talent. Talent.

She's pointing to her talents.

She's cupping her talent.

I have, like, a confession to make. When I heard about Once Upon a Mattress being revived, I was a little bit like, really? Because it's one of those shows where I'm like, I just was surprised to hear that that was getting revived. I went to go see it. A delight from start to finish.

It is one of our great, joyful shows. My first musical that I ever did in high school.

Really?

I was the jester's understudy. I had to learn the choreography for Very Soft Shoes. And I know every song word for word.

This is important to know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, sensitivity is.

Oh, it's great.

A A plus villains.

I think I just forgot how delightful it is. And combined with this really amazing, incredible.

Book ebook by Amy Sherman Pallado.

Amy Sherman Palladino, who just, like, punched it up for all it's worth. I mean, it's so funny. It's like really just, like, from start to finish, a great time at the theater. Here's the thing. It has a couple more weeks on Broadway at the Hudson Theater when this comes out. And then from December 10th to January 5th, you can see it at the Ahundson in Los Angeles. This would be well worth your time.

Absolutely.

And it stars our guest, who, among other things, is also Christmas royalty.

Christmas royalty.

Oh, I talked about this with her, actually.

Of course.

If Mariah's the queen of Christmas and I'm the prince, we're Actually speaking with the Duchess of Christmas self appointed. The only way to gain royalty in Christmas is. And so this person has done it. And we're so grateful and happy.

Sugar and booze. The. At this point, I would say it's. Oh, it's. It's in the canon of great Christmas albums.

It's in the canon, truly.

She is going to do a few cities at the beginning of December. Lansing, Evanston, Illinois, Indianapolis. Please catch her. What a sublime time that would be.

I mean, of course, you know and love her from being a true SNL legend. I mean one of the greats of all time. We are absolutely fucking thrilled to welcome to this podcast the one, the only anagastire.

Yay.

It's. Can you imagine when's gonna come to the point where she comes out and does it and it sounds like that.

We'Re like, oh no, it drops down like four octaves.

It's time. But it is time.

It is time. Hi. Thank you for mentioning my Christmas title. Yes, thank you. My title, my honorific. Thank you for so much.

Okay. Self appointed Duchess. But there's a court we have to fill out or there's a whole feudal system.

Yes.

Christmas people.

But I feel like I've earned it. I mean, I'm best known for sweaty balls in it.

Yes.

Snl, which it runs in the Christmas episode. As far as Stewart's Topless Christmas.

Yes.

Then I wrote Cluster Fun Christmas, which was the Hallmark parody movie with Dratch. And yeah, lots of things have happened around holiday time. It's my favorite time of year.

Did you seek out this Christmas canon status or do you think it happened? Happy accident.

A good fit for who? Like for my value system, if that makes sense. Not to say that I'm like really obsessed with Jesus birthday as much as I do have a little bit of an old fashioned traditional side.

Do you?

And just sort of more in like the domestic part and the kind of actually oddly referring to what you were talking even post election, the sort of coziness and the I love to cook and I love throwing parties and I love kind of domestic connection. And I do think that the holidays kind of allows us a little bit of an old fashioned broad kind of a moment. And that's why the album, the album felt so important to do, not just to like make a Christmas album, but rather that it fit kind of my style. You can be sort of throwbacky in a way that doesn't feel as kitschy or as annoying to people.

Yes.

Well, that's the thing. I feel like the cocktail lounge jazz esthetic of Sugar and Booze is that it's like very. It's like the Wink is so pretty and like. That's such a nice sort of like comedy sensibility about it.

That was sort of what we went for. Like, just. It shows. Should feel like an old fashioned album, but not campy or not like kitschy, I guess is the word. Like avoiding kitsch and making it more like. My biggest compliment that I was so excited by was when the LA Times reviewed it. They said like, Frank and Dino would have wanted to sing this song, which to me was like. As opposed to just like someone doing a lounge act. Like you're saying, you know, it feels a little more somewhere in between, you know. And you're a real vocalist too, so it's like your Christmas stuff definitely resonates in that way as well. There's a coziness to the holidays. You know, there's a reason they play the standards at Banana Republic when you go in, you know.

So that's the most Christmas place of all.

Absolutely.

It's a cozy Christmas.

Hashtag dream board. That.

Yeah, J.

Crew is very.

They kind of nail the Christmas.

They love Christmas. I'm trying to get close. What's. Why I'm saying this right now. But I wear a lot of there I have. I always end up buying a lot of J. Crew to wear in my show.

It really. Honestly, you. You walk in J. Crew, it's hard to leave empty hands.

It is.

Because you want to know what coziness, which is really what this is really about. If we're. We're not saying the word cozy, but it's about being cozy. It's huge.

Hygge.

Hygge. Hygge. Hygge.

Sure, that's a placement thing, but Hygge.

And it's placed here. Right. Right between the eyes.

Yeah. I think any one Scandinavian would place it right here. Yeah. In their upper.

Which is really a hard place to find.

Hard place to find. Now, are you on this sort of within your coterie of SNL people? Like, I feel like everyone is obsessed with Iceland newly. Because of Polar. Oh, yeah, she's loving Iceland. The last time I spoke to her, she was like, are y'all going to Iceland or Scandinavia in general?

I know that you said that. I mean, it's not high on our list.

You should go.

You should go. I do want to see. I mean, we're always sort of debating because we have these like, reunions. The girls have all these reunions. And so we're always debating. You know, there's an east coast, west coast kind of conversation and different places come up depending on what's happening. I mean, at the moment, I think everybody's just gonna try to have dinner in New York together.

Right? That's nice. Okay, who's holding it down on the east coast right now? It's you, Tina.

Tina. Paula. Paula lives up in, you know, Westchester.

With her a million breast Chester.

Her dog's on wheels.

Yeah, her dog's on wheels.

She just got another wheeled dog. The best. She like zooms around the apartment, the house. Yes. And Poehler's here part of the time and then Maya's in LA and Spivey's up in North Carolina. So. Down in North Carolina.

Yeah.

So we sort of float.

What's been the best vacation you guys have taken together was strap to stiff.

Was what one country's based on.

Yeah, wine country was really fantastic. I mean it was actually in wine country. And we ate and drank to our hearts contents and literally the whole movie basically is what we did. And then, you know, we like our night at the strip club was just like an antique mall. You know, like everybody's like, oh, look at this teapot. And then for my birthday we did Palm Springs and everybody wore really old fashioned. We wore Moo Moos and we wore really old fashioned bathing caps that I bought everybody on the Internet and I made everybody wear it. Like, do like gentle. Don't ruin your hair swims.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is an important image. Hair up. Like. Okay, okay, okay. Neck up.

Yeah, yeah, totally neck up. But lately we've done more cozy things. We've gone to Fire island or we've gone to.

Where do you go? Fair harbor, basically.

Saltaire.

Saltaire.

Saltaire.

Fair harbor area.

Yeah.

Gay audience. These are the non fungus areas.

I get a lot of gay cred when I say Fire island and then it immediately evaporates by the vague white supremacist supremacy of my area.

Don't, don't worry. No, you should take the gay cred.

I try also.

You have plenty from. From so many things from your life.

Yeah, I try. Before I go any further, my daughter said to tell you, and I quote on air that she's a huge fan and so are all her gay fans.

Hello.

But I wasn't going to get credit if I said it off air. She was like, you have to tell them on air.

So I guess that she's a Katie.

Yes, I believe.

Yeah, I would imagine.

Of course, of course. And A Katie is. Is kind of.

Katie has a lot of gay friends.

Has a lot of gay friends.

So we have some sub sex of our fandom and Katie's.

I believe she's a Katie. For sure.

I believe a Katie would be like me and all my parents love it.

I don't how she could be my child and not be a Katie. Well, of course, because I have a number of Gusbands, which is G, apostrophe, silent H. Sure.

Who's the top gusband?

My top gusman's my friend Tony, who I've lived with on and off, who's my first director at the Groundlings. My actual husband named him my gusb because I lived with him throughout a bunch of TV shows I did in la.

Yes.

Great.

Because as you know, everybody in LA has like a second. So I for years just had pajamas and things there, so people have more space. My next Guzman is my friend Ryan, who is my. What was the name of that character? It's too old to reference that Murphy Brown, that guy that lived in her house and did all her work. Anyway, he's like my carpenter. He's a former Broadway boy, now super talented contractor, and he just. He helps to pick up Fire Island. He does my Ikea run and my Costco run with me. He's really done a lot for my actual marriage with my straight husband.

That's wonderful.

Did you acquire a lot of Guzmans and Guzman types during your run as Elphaba?

I mean, I've always, always had Ghostbusters.

You've always had gaze. You didn't need to be Elphaba to have Ghostbusters.

No, but it certainly helped.

Yeah, I'm sure.

Yes. As soon as the news of the belting got out, my gay Q went way up.

I do remember, like, obviously loving you forever on Saturday Night Live and then hearing that you were belting on Broadway as Elphaba did make something like your shoulders drop as a gay person.

It was a relief. It was a relief. And she can support, sustain and she does vibrato at the end. Yeah, all of those things got me very far in the wrong straight tone. With a little vibrato at the end.

Yeah. Well, you know, I mean.

It took.

Me a second and I'm like, that's it.

Wow. I was gonna say, you know, the sketch that really hooked me when I moved to the US Was Gemini's Twin.

Oh, my God. Thank you.

And the Gemini's twin.

The line read that even rang in my ears today. No, no, no, you're gonna Love it.

It would be canceled.

It was whack, whack. You had a big man, the flapjack. And then at one point. This is the Charlize Theron episode. This is like the first one, the first episode of SNL I ever saw.

Oh, my God.

And then you had a line.

Oh, no.

Where someone's Carson Daly, it's trl. And then they're like, you know, what's the song about? And then Maya has a line. It's about. Or Maya Charlize has a line, you know, it's about, like, when you're done with a man, and then it's you, and you say, oh, no. It's also about a pancake breakfast.

It's about a what?

It's also about a pancake breakfast, isn't it? Like, flip, flap, flap, flap, flap, flap.

Whack, whack, flapjack, pancake breakfast.

It's also about a pancake breakfast.

It's also about a pancake breakfast. And like that. And that I belly laughed as a fucking.

It's the funniest line.

I wish that they would, you know, they never re air any of. It's one of my great sadnesses. Because music rights are so expensive, so many of my sketches don't re air in a regular way. Which is sad because, you know, we wrote so many dumb things. And Gemini's twin, like, we wrote this ridiculous thing with Lucy Liu about Eric.

Harlem, and that's my favorite. Gemini's twin. Because Lucy Liu at one point bends over and like, kind of fingers her own crotch. So shocking.

I don't remember. It was about airplane. I think it was about airplane safety. I don't even remember what it was about. And then we did one with Pierce Brosnan. That all I remember. Oh, it was actually good. Anita man. Anita man. I need a God. It was so dumb. It was like, with a something credit card and a central P10. Anita man. It was a real man. It was a man. Anyway, he. For some reason, we did like a Frankenstein. This is a bad story. You should just watch it. But it doesn't air. Cause of the music rights he had.

Like, you can find it.

Somebody sent it. He's doing like a Frankenstein thing. Oh, yeah. Cause we were like, Dr. Eviling it. And I don't even remember what the premise was, but I remember writing for him. Like, he was like, I'm alive. I'm all up in it.

Alive.

It was so dumb.

Anyway, why are the music rights so tricky with that when it's like an original song?

I don't know, because the.

I know ascap writes or whatever.

There's that.

But the Britney Spears one, too, I.

Think that was super Politically Incorrect. Didn't we do, like, a Dixie number?

Oh, but it was like.

It was like. We were. We were home.

You guys worked on. It was. You guys worked on, like, Monticello or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it was. I thought it was more like Gone with the Wind kind of vibes.

Or maybe it was.

It might have been Tara. It might have been Tara. I don't remember. But I was so. Yeah, it was so fun because it was Maya. I mean, it was again, like those.

Yeah, yeah.

Those nights with Maya and with, like, Will on Bobby and Marty were like. Those are my most, like, truly treasured nights because they were James Anderson and Paula Pell and, like, the greats. I mean. And I'm a terrible procrastinator. We would stay up, Bobby and Marty. We were, like, super famous. Like, when people would start something late, they would be like, No, I mean, famous for how much of a dicked around. Where they would be like, we're Bobby and Marty. Ing it. Like, starting at 6 or whatever. It was just because we would sit and do bits and talk.

Yeah.

Light farts. Like, all of the worst. You know, until like, four in the morning.

Oh, wow.

We were talking about six in the morning on Wednesday. Before.

On Wednesday.

Holy moly.

All the way up to the line. And then we would write it. And then many times we would go to McDonald's and get an egg McMuffin on the way home at like. Or often Will. Cause Will famously. So this is another Will dressed as Jerry Reed from the Smokey and the Bandit series. Okay, bear with me, please. So Norm MacDonald and Will did Burt Reynolds. It was the Burt Reynolds. They were writing to the Burt Reynolds impression at the time. And they did these Smokey and the Bandit commercials. And Will, it was like a free tape. And Will was dressed as Jerry Reed, but he had to keep going into blocking. And so he never got out of his outfit of Jerry Reid, which just was like a, like, not famous. You know, like a 70s trucker costume. Basically. Like, really, like, kind of high bad pants and like a western thing and a big trucker hat. And Adam, it was like a bit. And somebody was like, are you not gonna. Are you not gonna ever change out of that? And so then he didn't. And it became this, like. What's the term? Like, a bell, a lightning rod.

Like a thing where you could tell who was fun and who wasn't by who would be. Like, certain people in the front office were like, why are you still wearing that outfit? You know, like. And meanwhile, he was just like, I'm gonna wear this all season. So he proceeded to wear from before. It was, like, around Thanksgiving all the way. If you go back, it would have been the 1997. Eight season. He wore that costume. Tom Broeker would just go and, like, clean it at every break.

Oh, bless.

Because he, of course, got it. I was like, well, he's comfortable in it. So, you know, just, like, immediately, like.

Tom Broker always gets it.

Always gets it. And exactly. And then, anyway, many, many times, writing a Bobby Marty Will would fall asleep on the sofas in the old research area, which is now offices, which was, like, across the hall. Because back in the day, we just had a million vhs. We didn't. We couldn't.

No Internet.

There was no Internet. Yeah. So I know. Crazy.

Did you ever meet Chip Kudrow?

No.

So this, I guess, was Will's character of Lisa Kudrow brother.

No, but he also did. Yes, I remember Jim Kudrow. He also did Jim Signorelli's former dp. That started at a party, a zipper boot party at my house where everybody had to wear zipper boots. And Harper Steele and he. And all those people all wearing zipper boots.

Oh, wow.

Like,'70s boots, zipped. And then he wore, like, a red pantsuit with an ascot. And then he just.

That was Chip.

Yeah.

And that was Jim Signorelli's older rock.

Did you ever hear about Ron?

No.

No, wait a minute. That was Ron. Ron was Jim Signorelli's fired DP who was still trying to get jobs. And so he was coming around and he's dressed as Ron. And then, famously, when P. Diddy came. We're getting into it. I gotta find this tape because I have it. He, of course, like, shut down the whole building. Like, you know, snl. It's like, you can tell, like, the five assholes in the six years that I was there when they would be like, so and so's in the building. Everybody stay in your dressing rooms. You know, like. And you're like. Which is applicable if you're a presidential candidate. But apart from that, really, it's my house.

And they did it for P. Diddy.

For P. Diddy. He demanded a totally closed set.

Oh, no, no, no.

Cool.

Sean Cone.

Sean cone, yes.

And he was doing Cashmere. Do you remember that? Da, na, na, na.

Of course I remember that.

Right, okay. And they brought in, like, the New York Phil.

Oh, wow.

And they had them in there. And they was sealed off on Thursday. And we were in the writer's room on Nine, and Will. And typically McKay or somebody was like, it would be so if he was dressed as Ron. Cause he would stay in character for, like, the whole week. Like Anaconda. So he was dressed as Ron at the table. I think we were rewriting Bobby and Marty, and he went down. They were like, wouldn't it be so funny if Ron just went in? And he did. He went on down the stairs, and he marched right in. And I have the video from the control room. He goes on stage where Sean Combs is, like, rapping with, like, behind him, and he's just like. Ron's, like, walking around looking really, like, really disoriented and looking for Jim. He's like, have you seen Jim Signorelli?

The crew.

Jim Signorelli, to be clear to your listeners, was the OG Pre tape guy. So he was like, the director who did all of the commercial parodies, all of the Gemini's twin videos, all the videos that you would do before Lonely island came. It was like you would go. And they were shot on film by this guy, Jim Signorelli, character in his own right. Yeah. So, yeah.

So think that there was.

It is the greatest thing that's ever happened, because what a deserved person to have their cashmere moment interrupted by Ron.

Oh, God.

And he really did not. He did not roll with it. He was very uncomfortable. But it was so also just, like, the artifice of all that faux importance. Like, what's gonna happen, truly? You're gonna walk into the studio, and you're gonna be like, I'm in the studio. I work here. Yeah.

What's crazy about the P. Diddy of it all is it's like you look back at his time of being, like, when he was huge, dominant, huge, huge in pop culture. It was always weird. Like, if you go back and watch, like, making the band. The way that he treats people is so crazy. The way he talks to these. Especially, like, I think it was the second season where they were making Danity Kane. The way he talks to these girls is absurd.

You wouldn't believe how they talked to us in the 90s. I mean, it's really like the Mind bend is like, every now and then I look back and I'm like, what?

Wow.

Like, the things that we sort of endured. But, I mean, whatever. Like, it all evolves. And thank God for you guys and your generation.

And, you know, we didn't do it.

No, you didn't do it. You didn't do it. You weren't born. No, but that's what I'm saying. Like, it's just been. I really do want to speak to what you said about Community at the beginning of your show because I'm old enough now that I've endured a few of these, like, bumps. And I was telling you right before we went on, like, the first time, the election didn't go, you know, our way. I had to do a reshoot the next day of the Goldbergs where a chandelier fell on me. And it's literally like, how did it fall on you?

Oh, my God. I'm sorry.

Stupid.

But all I'm saying is, did the character die? Were you killed on the Goldbergs?

I wish.

A very special Goldberg. No, I don't remember.

It just pretended a lot. Yeah.

This year I had to wake up and dress up as Martha Stewart and go be with Martha Stewart on the Drew Barrymore show. And then doing Mattress, which is this extraordinarily joy oriented show, it really is full of people who are of the best, sweetest intentions. Everybody who did Mattress did it in high school or at camp.

Wow.

And there's like this real kind of collective. I do have this weird moment of gratitude in this time that there are so many of us who love making joy and who will take care of one another and will take care of our community. I have more faith, oddly enough, than ever in that. And I do feel like, whatever. Even in this terrible scenario, no matter how we want to parse it, there's still half of us. I mean, it's a lot of people. And, you know, it's a lot of people. It's millions and millions and millions of people. And you guys know. Cause you tour, like, I'm going to Indiana, which is a red state, and these people show up with tears in their eyes at my shows sometimes. I mean, it's like the joy. And that's. I don't mean to be arrogant about that and whatever. Like, I just. I feel like we have one move left, and that is literally send in the clowns. This is your job, literally. And have a good time doing it and take care of other human beings. Because church is gone for a lot of people. And as a singer, like, corny part of.

Of me that is the closest I've ever felt to God. And I'm not a religious person at all, like, at all. I went to like, a Quaker school. Like, you know, that's like as close as it got, which is not Saying very much, you know, so service, as you mentioned, reaching outwards towards others when you are feeling desperate is very helpful.

Yeah.

And singing with others. Like there are these like pop up one day choirs. Have you read about that?

Oh, yeah. You don't have to audition or do anything.

People just get together to make music together. And I do think when you sing and when you join, that's why to do musicals after all was said and done, because sharing that it's outside of your control whether you can sing, you know, and so like being able to share that with other people, not to be corny, but like.

No, I don't think it's corny at all. I actually think especially after like doing something and we love SNL and you know, there's lots of amazing memories, as you were saying. But it does feel like by nature of the show, a lot is out of your control. So when you leave, you want to run towards the joy. And I feel like. Do you think that that is. Is a direct correlation that you can see in looking back?

That's such a cool way of putting it. I've never thought about it. Yes, absolutely. And even with regards to my gender and my whatever, all those specific things to each of us that we felt have impacted who we became or whatever, I do find especially in this chapter, which I guess is my third chapter of five, let's say total. I definitely.

We're on three. And there's two more.

We got two more.

Okay.

Yeah, we got two more. Thank you. Well, listen, you know, but I feel like in this chapter, so many, like actually literally when I got the offer for mattress and I hadn't worked for a while. Cause I have senior parents. I was dealing with them and some stuff was going on and after the strike and all that. So I literally looked at the offer and I saw the cast. I saw Daniel Breaker, I saw Brooks Ashbanskas, I saw Sutton, I saw Michael. I saw like the people lined up and I said to my husband, oh my God, this cast is so fun. And he was like, stop. Don't even tell me anything else about it. Go do it.

Do it.

Because for me, backstage is everything. It's much more fun, beautiful. Each person's different. But snl, my favorite was never Saturday. My favorite was always the rewrite table. Which is weird cause the writers hate the rewrite table. But I loved it. Like, I loved the idea that you could be with all these funny fuckers who would make your thing better.

You're in a lab and you're just.

Like Putting things and, like, walking on Thursday's fun. And that joy of the community is ultimately, for me, what makes a thing real. And Elphaba, to that point was a hard job. Yeah. To follow up SNL with Wicked was stupid. Yeah.

You didn't give yourself a break.

I mean, it's really hard. Especially that early. I was like the whatever, third, fourth, third or fourth Alphabet replacement. So, I mean, I was. Yeah.

Cause it went 2006.

So I was in that audition round, which is how I got Chicago. So it was me, Shoshana, and Eden. Well, Eden and Shoshana had been standbys on Broadway. So usually those people get bumped because the costumes are already made, but also because they're amazing and they've been on.

They are fantastic.

And then Stephanie, who had been in San Francisco, went on first national, and then I did Chicago.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

So arguably, I was the first person outside the family.

Yeah. Wow.

But it was great. But it was super hard work.

Who was your Glinda?

Kate Reinders.

Oh.

And so what I was starting to say is that Kate. Everything's funnier from McGlinda, by the way. Cause they're also. They talk literally like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, even when she was angry about something, she would be like, he.

Looks old for 40.

You know, it would always make me laugh. But she said she was like, we're playing best friends, so should we just. We should just probably be best friends. And we were, and we still are. Like, she's a really good girl. And we've always been very. We just took care of each other. And again, as number one. And you said all the tones. I was like, we can gossip and we can talk shit, but only to each other.

To each other.

But you guys, really. I think, like, people talk about that cast when you were Elphaba of just like, that was setting this model for the future on, like, how, like, this is the tone setting that we want. This is the environment that we want. It's not toxic.

It's not toxic.

Not that anything before was, like, obnoxious, but, you know.

But no, it really wasn't. It was a really sweet group of humans. And part of it was Chicago, too. We had a lot of Steppenwolf. Like, Rondi Reid is like, a Tony winner from the Steppenwolf's production of August Osage County. Like, incredible people were there. Heidi Kettenring, who I went to college with, like, she played Nessa forever. So there was this real gratitude amongst a lot of the Chicago locals that were this was a good equity gig for a long time. You know, people bought houses and stuff, so there was a nice feeling. And we did Thanksgiving together and we didn't. And mattresses. I mean, next level. We have a book club.

Yeah. The company.

We play Traders.

You play Traders?

Yeah. I mean, all of it, like all of the things. It's cute. Daniel Breaker's like an incredible chef. So he's like, every other day they'll be like, oh, there's jambalaya in the green room. That Daniel made pulled pork. He made pulled pork the morning after the election.

You actually can tell that it's like that when you see the show. It's really fun. And you get the sense too, that while all of the amazing physical comedy is incredibly well blocked and everything, it feels improvisational.

There's a lot of it. Yeah. And the ensemble is really, really engaging. It's a small ensemble, but we're close. It's not.

Yeah, yeah.

It's a fun show that there's. Those songs are really.

Well, the music is fantastic. And that's actually probably the most important part. And nothing outside of our control because that stuff gets. When you do a musical, it gets stuck in your head. I've been living with it for some time. So what else? What else?

Wait, but was singing first or was it violin first for you growing up?

So violin, theoretically and truly, I love that you know that, but I really hated it. That's a lonely ass instrument.

Do you play the violin I played growing up?

Yeah.

And I have neutral, complicated feelings about it. I was good at it and I enjoyed it. I was better at it than piano, for sure.

But the perfectionism fact is really, if you're a little OCD, as I imagine everybody in our community is 100% is really dangerous. And it's lonely. Like, I mean. I mean, the sad part is like. So I was playing violin. I was good.

Yeah.

Same exact. Like you. Like, if I had really loved it, that would have been the thing.

Yeah.

Went to like, camps for it and stuff like that. And then I went to Interlaken. Oh, wow. Sure. Theater camp break. And I went as a violin major and I went. And I was like, I want to do plays like I saw. So I came back and immediately booked in my middle school Helen Keller and the Miracle Worker. You were Helen.

Were you Annie?

You were Annie.

I was Helen.

You were Helen.

I mean. Yes, go off.

I love it.

Go off.

Ellen. Even as blind, deaf, mute Helen Keller, I was like, I'm home. I found my thing.

Yes.

And from Then on, I was like, oh, I think this is my. Honestly, it was all backstage people. It was people doing bits backstage. Even, like in seventh grade, I was like, oh, this is what I want to do. Like the bits. But I didn't know that they were bits then. I just thought, you know, Tom was funny.

Exactly. And then was it college? Was it Northwestern where you were like, comedy?

Yes, because then I switched to voice. I bargained out from violin because my family was very classical music, very training oriented. So my mom there was not going to be not doing an instrument or training of some sort. So I bargained into a classical vocal program. I did some roles in the Washington Opera as a kid, like La Boheme, Children's Chorus, Ghost and Macbeth, like, about Barry. Macbeth, whatever.

Beautiful.

Which I also hated. And then again, community. I like the kids, but that was it. And then when I got to North, I sang my way into Northwestern. I never would have gotten in without my audition. And then I was the worst music student on earth. I mean, I don't.

Because you lost interest or.

I just. I mean, I did not want to be an opera singer.

Got it.

And then I found improv there.

Titanic Players was it.

It was called Meow show. And, like, Seth was in it and I think Sarah Sherman was in it. And yeah, it's a very, like, all the improv. Julie Louis Dreyfus. Yeah.

All Josh Meyers.

But that's how I did it. I just found the people. And I'm sure when you start doing improv, you're like, oh, my God, my mutant friends.

Yes.

And then that's why I went to LA and went into TV and I didn't do anything vocally. I kind of part. I, like, smoked a bunch of cigarettes and did comedy and then did the Groundlings. But I was always, like, going back to singing because it's in the toolkit. And then after snl, I sort of wanted to, like, it was reaction formation, all the chaos and the sort of. The thing I started to feel at the end of SNL was I was sort of always just not failing, if that makes sense. Like, I was sort of not, like just pulling it off. Whereas with theater, like, you have the opportunity to constantly refine and.

Yes.

Make it better and better and better.

It's so ephemeral. It's so ephemeral doing it at snl. Sorry.

Yes, exactly. Exactly. And especially if you're one shot Saturday night and you're like, I kind of, you know, didn't love how it went at air. I went, you Know, whatever. Yeah.

That is a feeling, I guess. You never get to correct anything.

Never, never.

Which is kind of beautiful. But also frustrating.

Yes.

Yeah.

I'm at the frustrating point of this.

It's frustrating. It's a weird feeling because the stakes feel very high, which they are. But also, what I will say is, not that you're asking, but please, you know, 22 years out, the part I remember is the creative part. The part I remember is the people and the community and the making things, and those skills never go away. They never go away, and the community never goes away. I mean, I've worked with so many people across so many generations of SNL that I wasn't even on the show with. But the shorthand of understanding one another. I mean, Rachel and I never wrote together the show, and she's, like, my writing partner now. So it's like, you know, Jorma, I've done things with Fred Armisen, and I have done things like people who. Because, you know, the shorthand, you know, the mutant skin.

Sure. Yeah, it's the mutant skin. And also. But I feel like what you've done with SNL sort of like. I don't know, I guess, like, holding some kind of, like, weight on the tablescape of it is, like, so, like, it is your own specific tableau of things. Like, no one else from SNL has been that kind of vocalist and has, like, used their specific talent in that way, the way that you have. And I feel like that's just what's kind of incredible about, well, everything sent.

You kind of, you know, whatever. What is it? Necessity is a mother of invention. I mean, just what things that you love and that you do. And it gives you. I mean, it really does give you the freedom to go a lot of places. I mean, it's insane. I couldn't even get Generals as a girl on SNL in the 90s, like, coming out and then now, like, it's just, you know, the legacy of the place is such a gift. Like, it's unreal.

It's so crazy, because I feel like that was the time when everyone was talking about the women of snl, the.

Women of snl, the women of Snow. We definitely did. And I don't mean to disturb that in any way. Like, especially the beginning with Molly, Sheri and I.

Just.

Because it was coming, like, when I got the show, I'm not making this up.

It was a reset.

People came up to me, and they were like, oh, you're so funny. I'm so bummed that you're Going on snl, you're going to be squandered. Like, the idea of being a woman on the show was not a good idea, right? Because they had just fired Janine Garofalo. Do you remember that?

And Sarah Silverman.

Sarah Silverman had been fired. Like all these really kind of interesting girls had just sort of been eaten up and chewed out, right? Or chewed up and eaten out. No, they got chit out and shit out. Let's stay away from this metaphor.

They got mawed and shit out.

And it was hard, you know, it was hard to navigate, but for whatever kind of cosmic reasons, the three of us kind of powered through. And then, and then by the time I left, it was. There were a lot of women. There was like Amy and Tina and all these kind of dominant figures. It did feel watershed.

And then all of a sudden, almost like ever since then, it's like, who are the women of snl?

I love it this way. No one's really, really ever talked about the guys since. And I'm like, that's totally fine. I think even now, it's like the women of SNL are killing it. And it's like, I love that.

And Bowen. The women in Bowen, the women.

And there's a gay guy.

No, no, you. That is not true. You cut right through, my friend.

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One of my fondest SNL memories ever was doing my most random update ever. I don't even wanna mention it. Cause it was.

Just mention it though.

It was Bottle boy. It was a total like, let's just fucking write it. It was fine. And then I just went into my dressing room and then I was kind of like, I had a light show, I had nothing else to do. And I just sat in my dressing room. And then I hear a knock at the door. And I think it's like a page dropping off, like Chris Redd's lunch or something. And I'm like, come in. Nothing. Another knock. Come in. And then I finally open up the door and then it's you, Dratch and Tina.

Oh, it was your aunt.

It was my aunties. They had to either get you.

We wanted to meet you. I was surprised. It was so surreal to me.

But the three of you @ the same time, it was a lot.

The three headed monster screamed at the.

Door, like, come in. But I was like, oh. And I couldn't believe it. And we talked about Fire island, we talked about.

We talked about salt air, the mines.

That's what we do.

And that was just such a. I will never forget.

He texted me when you guys did that, and it was so exciting. I mean, you have to know, like, for gay boys who grew up with snl, you guys are legends. I mean, like, I'll never forget. Like, I mean, we talk about Gemini's twin, talk about Shreddy balls. All these things are like, in the fabric of our comedic upbringing, you know? And that. It's not just that. I mean, mean girls. I mean, like, all these things.

Yeah, so many of the things.

So many of the things I'll never forget. Like watching the intro to Divas Live.

Okay, I can't believe you just said.

Well, I'm saying no.

You want to know why? Because when you. Your question about what the cultural moment is like, I've been, like, really chewing on. We'll get there. But. But it's funny because I was like, do I bring up diva's life? Because I do. That was speaking to the power of the women on the show. That was a moment where I think, you know, you have these moments when you're, like, a nobody and then suddenly you're on. It must be so intense now because you guys are all over social and whatever. We were just like, quietly. I mean, I. You know, the day I got the show, I think I had on my OG answering machine. 36, like, messages. @ the time, I was like. And it's also funny because there's a lot of assholes, like, agents who didn't sign you and stuff like that. We're like, I just wanted to say congratulations. We had such a sense, and you've landed where you deserve. We had such a sense. Even though we told you you wouldn't work unless you look like Courtney Thorne Smith. Deep cut, but true. Twice I had that had said to me. Twice. Once I went to la.

Isn't that crazy? Terrible? I know. Well, Tina and I have a saying which is ethnic in the 80s because we both had, like, super Greek hair. We were ethnic in the 80s, seen as Greekness. My mom is Greek. So it was literally like that. Yeah. So ethnic in the 80s. And now, because literally my school was like, you know, wanted me to. You whatever. West side Story, like, all, like, now you're like, my daughter is scandalized when I tell her.

She's like, you can't do that.

You can't be. Yes.

But you. So you were Seline Dion. Molly was Shania.

Right.

And Sherry was. Mariah.

Mariah.

And it was the three of you, like, all discussing. It was a sketch with the three of you before the show started.

Do you know who you guys was? Destiny's Child. We were introducing Destiny's Child. Isn't that crazy?

After you'd already done Gemini? No, no, because Maya hadn't been at the show.

Maya wasn't on the show yet. It was 96, I think, or 7. Early 7. And that was my first moment where I was like, oh, we're. This is a thing. And the first paper to mention the first paper of record was Playboy.

Wow.

Playboy did, like, a little story on the girls of SNL Popping.

Wow.

Isn't that weird? But it used to be. My husband has a plan, by the way. Playboy's for sale. He's like, I think we should buy Playboy and we should just quietly talk to all the white straight boys who don't know how to vote and how.

They do need to be spoken and.

Give them a place.

Yeah.

That isn't like such like it's only semi toxic masculinity.

Exactly.

No, there's a way to give them a grayscale. Let's find out.

Give him grayscale.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think we're kind of conclude.

I mean, I have a sweet straight boy, so I want it. I want it to be a pretty.

Listen, they're not all bad.

No, they're not all bad. But like, how'd you get him that way?

How'd you get him that way? He has an anxiety disorder.

That's it.

So he just runs constantly.

Oh, great. So he's healthy.

He runs like constantly running, like distance running. Like he ran the Brooklyn half as a sophomore in high school. Like he's. So that's how he handles his despair. You know what's funny?

Looking back, I know that was why I was a runner too. And I. Because I was also a heavy track athlete.

Yeah.

And looking back, I'm like. It was my anxiety.

Oh yeah, anxiety. I ran cross country in high school too.

Did you look at you.

Bad?

Badly.

Badly.

But I liked it. It was the only thing that kept me sane because it was, you know, very sure. It was pre diagnosis times.

Right, right, right.

I keep aging myself. In my day, my mother bought me Dexatrim. Dexatrim. My mom bought me Dexatrim. Can you imagine?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, you know what? You should probably. We all did the Scarsdale diet. Diet, which was so gross. It was like half a. I can't imagine having an adolescent in my house being like, here's your half a grapefruit and black coffee.

Yes, grapefruit coffee.

It was black coffee, half a grapefruit and then hilarious 80s pasta for dinner.

But it bit it off with the grapefruit.

Well, you were all on dexterm anyway, so it didn't matter.

Yeah, but you know what though?

There was a time you're on high as a kite. We were all Judy Garland. Jesus.

We were told, like, you can't eat enough pasta. The runners, you know what I mean? Like it was a carbo load all the time.

That's actually still a thing.

Well, yeah, I remember I would go for pasta party dinners at Apple. And I would fuck myself up because I would just have the three cheese chicken penne, and I would run my race the next day and be cheating.

But you were fast.

There was a day where I had to stop and shit. Which is, like, horrible.

No, I just read an article about it.

Yeah. Like, it's out there. It's happening. We're kind of existing in this area where I think we should ask the question.

Yes, I think we should ask because.

We'Re sort of back in time. So, Anna Gosteyer, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

Okay, so I'm going to be. I'm not gonna be as fun on this answer as you might want.

No, please.

We are existing in this time. And it is the only thing I can think of. And it's gonna sound really humble, braggy, but it is about SNL and it's about the importance of laughter. I can't believe I just said that.

No.

My friend Tony and I have a bit where we always make fun of people who use the word humor.

Of course. So humorous.

It just sucks. All comedy.

Humor.

Yeah. People who call that out. Exactly. I love how you use humor.

Humor. Someone calls yourself a humorist.

A humorist. I love how you use humor to diffuse awkward situations.

Yeah.

Just destroying it. Ruining everything. Ruining it.

Random humor.

What I was gonna say. So this is a weird thing to throw out there, but as a kid, I was friends with Amy Carter, President Jimmy Carter's daughter. I grew up in Washington. Okay. So for starters, let me just start with culture. Like, I grew up in a totally black neighborhood. I was a little white girl who played the violin, and I had an eye patch.

Wow.

Due to blindness.

Oh.

Due to. Due to permanent, just whatever legal blindness in my writing. So I was always patched. They patched me for, like, ever. So I would go to, like, my all black elementary school with my violin and my eye patch. And as you can imagine, I developed a sense of. I used humor a lot to get through the situations. Okay. So anyway. But then, weirdly, I was in this after school program, like this GT kind of thing, and I got. I became friends with Amy Carter, Jimmy Carter's daughter, and we became really good friends and she played the violin. She was like a reader. And so I weirdly had this, like, whole childhood life in middle school where I would go and, like, sleep over at the White House and, like, go to Camp David. Like, I went to Camp David during this camp. During the Camp David Accords. I played if you research it, if you Go to.

You play the violin?

I play the violin for Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin. Just me. And it's such a weird thing for.

The Middle Eastern leaders.

Yes. For the Middle Eastern. I watched Star wars with the Sadats. Insane. You're kidding.

Okay, so just to make this clear, this is while he was President.

President.

100%. Okay. So all this kind of weird fact about my life just by this accidental biography. Okay.

Yeah.

To say that I was in the White House, sleeping over at Amy Carter's, and now, remember, Saturday Night live started in 75.

Yes.

And it was everybody, like, liberal parents, all the people on my block, everybody was aware that this kind of, like, radical piece of television had come out. And again, I know for your audience, like, it's hard to imagine, but.

But it was.

Nobody had made fun of the news. Nobody had made fun of, like, basic sort of tropes that we're accustomed to. The Onion. Like, that was so radical. And I was a kid, I was little, but I was aware that they were, like, edgy and cool and making choices that were strange and wearing costumes and funny. Like, we knew it was cool and hip.

It's right after Watergate. It's right after Watergate.

Right after Watergate.

The last chopper leaf.

And basically what we watched was. Which was great. It was like Carol Burnett and Bob Newhart and what was on TV when it was scheduled.

Yeah.

So you just kind of, like, consumed television idly, if you will. Sure. So. And again, also, I remember I was 10, 11. So I'm in the White House, and it's after dinner. It's late. It's a sleepover. And we go to this little, like, kitchenette in the. In the living quarters. And President Carter was, like, never there because he was the president. And we were usually just with her nanny and her. Maybe Rosalynn Carter was around a little bit.

Wow.

And we went to get a snack, and we came out and sort of in the middle of the White House living area, President Jimmy Carter was sitting in a chair with a burgundy V neck and a beer. And he was watching Dan Aykroyd play himself on Saturday Night Live. And he was laughing hysterically.

Oh, my God.

And it, like, imprinted in my brain of the. Well, obviously, the surrealness of, like, whatever. There's this person dressed as this person imitating this person. Leader of the free world. And also, I just think he's the most amazing human being. Obviously, we know he went on to do incredible acts of humanity, humanism. But it has stayed with me so much in the last 12 years, our lack of empathy and understanding. Like when as soon as the president elect, I'm not even gonna say his name, was not able to laugh at anything about himself. In fact, arguably ran for president because he was a laughing stock because Seth made fun of him. It's so the ability to laugh at things and the ability to pull yourself out of situations and to find what's funny about it. And I can't even believe I'm saying this, but like the, like, the gift that humor does actually give us as a piece of sort of like storytelling and political commentary. As much as, like, I really hated dressing as Martha Stewart the day after the election and I hated doing the Goldbergs and having a chandelier fall on me.

A chandelier fall on me. It's more important than I thought, you know, And I feel like we're going to have a lot of places in this new era where, where whatever news has proven itself to be untrustworthy and social media has certainly proven itself to be like, maybe we idiotic performers will be able to tell the truth a little bit. It's starting to get all deep and.

Go, no, no, that's really important.

And what a special memory to have. Yeah, that is wild.

Even my 10 year old brain was like, oh, he's so good at, he's laughing at himself. Like I understood it on some profound.

Level and like you understood what was being shown on television was this like purposeful lampooning.

I mean, I don't think I, like, I was a kid, so I wasn't like dialed into like the nuance of the politic, you know, but, but you.

Saw him laughing, you just understood that.

He was, understood that it was an impression of him, that he was, we were in the White House and that he was watching this Saturday Night Live still. And yet one of the cooler pieces of cultural reflection in our, in our society and that he understood that it was funny and that there was a power to that.

Yeah. It's like the Ron thing. Or it's like, it's like whatever. It's like, it's like either you, it's a bellwether. Either you get it or you don't.

Yeah.

And like right now you gotta get it.

We gotta get it. I mean, it's really hard. I don't get it. I don't think anything's funny right now except for you and all of the work that you do. But it's like, but you know what I'm saying? Like those things. Yeah. And whatever. Sometimes that means we just need something light and fluffy and joyful and whatever the moment calls for. I just. The irony anyway, that's myself.

It's about humility and it's about humility. It takes you out of solipsism. It takes you out of like thinking that your own reality is the most important one.

I've definitely been thinking a lot about like, because as we, as we have like this platform where we're expected to comment on culture and everything, it has been. I don't know how if you feel this way, but it sometimes can be confusing about like, do we come on here and like say this is what I think and like da da da, and react in real time or are we supposed to be clowns? And I think it's sort of a mix of both. It's been an interesting walk and you know, I would imagine like, it feels probably very similar when you are on Saturday Night Live. It's like we do have to speak to real issues, but also at the same time what we do and what our talents are, are being funny and being the jesters. And the literal role of the jester is to point to the king and say, this is what's crazy about the king. I mean, and it feels that's like where humor, that's like where comedy is birthed from. That's literally the job of the comedian is to do the very thing. But it can sometimes feel I. And this is where I think we can, as comedians and as people in the arts check ourselves is it can become very self important and didactic.

Didactic.

And didactic. I wanna get in there.

Didactic.

But when people I sometimes like. For example, I've really been thinking a lot about the celebrity endorsement. Right?

Yeah.

And how it didn't, I mean it literally didn't matter at all. In one sense, of course it's great to be able to speak out against like fascism and these objective evils and to let people know like, hi women, I see you, I'm sticking up for you, I'm standing up to this. But at the same time it feels like we've been given a clear message that the public, I think across the board wants entertainers to be entertainers and not scolds. And not scolds. And also to not feel like they can control culture because I think we've seen that they don't. You know what I mean? I'm not saying don't speak up, but I am saying it's not.

I mean, I do see some at the feet of those who have characterized it as such. I do feel like, yes, stay in your lane to a certain degree, but we also are what we're made of. Right. So finding common ground as human beings is part of what comedy is like, finding the things that we share in common. And actually, I do think it gets harder and harder and harder as we're more and more sort of forced into these tribal lanes. It's really tricky, but, you know, whatever. Like, I love. That's what I'm saying. Like, I love doing shows in Kansas and red states and places where I can just share a love of the holidays and try to find a place that's, like, a little less lightning roddy for people. But there are fewer and fewer places to do that. The holidays is one. But just the things that we all kind of universally share. But I do feel like. I guess what I was really trying to say is that people are like, shut up, you entitled libs. I think that that's very activating for me, too, because in many ways, we share the same values.

And I think for women in particular, it's heartbreaking. I mean, Beyonce, Taylor Swift, like, those people showing up to people like my daughter who are 22. It meant a lot because it's very. It's a very hopeless feeling to be a young woman right now in this country. Not just from the tactical standpoints of reproductive care, but also, you know, they've now, in their very short lives, seen misogyny really run the war.

The whole.

Now pull the camera back. We've run two candidates in 12 years. That's not bad. I never thought a woman was even an option for a president, let alone a person of color. Like, it was not even in there. So whatever. In 50 years, yeah, we're probably going to have both of those boxes checked. You know, it just feels very immediate right now.

Right. And this is a thing that I've learned from, like, Mike Shoemaker via Seth.

Yeah.

I don't know if this gives me pause or if this, like, puts me into more despair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just like, anytime Seth wanted to have it out with someone at snl, like, Shoemaker would be like, it's a long life.

It's a long life.

If you wait, whatever you're feeling about these particular people is gonna go away, and then they'll be at your wedding.

Well, that is true about snl.

Totally. And I don't know how I can.

Apply that to the greater landscape. I don't think Trump is gonna come to any of my children's Christmas.

He might.

He might.

He might.

I don't know.

You were friends with the Carters.

That's true. I was friends with the Carters, but I. And he turned out to be the best president.

Oh, my God. Did you ever go to Georgia or Atlanta or.

No, I mean, they literally moved back and that was sort of that. And again, this was like pre. It was like long distance phone calls cost something, you know, But I mean, we had some friends in common over the years. And President Carter did a pen and whatever. This is just humble bragging now, but somebody told me that a book on tape editor had also worked on his memoirs. And I don't know how it came up, but he mentioned he was like, oh, the comedian, Anna Gasteyer, she was a friend of E's. Which was such a weird feeling that he knew who I was. But. But like, of course, like I was on television. Yeah, but not. Of course, but.

No, but at a time when everyone. That was monoculture. SNL was monoculture.

Yeah.

And the thing about Christmas. Sorry to go back to this, but for you too.

So braggy.

No, but you two kind of going across the country performing these shows about Christmas, having it be so resonant and people loving it. It's like, it's because Christmas feels like the holidays feel like the last kind of bit of.

They do. They're the last safe space that we can all get in. And also because they are so just admittedly pagan at this point. It's not like, you know, I also.

It's kind of what's funny about it.

I know what it. Because I just feel like people, like, need a fucking break. Like they just. Can I say fucking. Yeah, of course you can. That they, like, people are just tired and they want to be. It's a funny time for programming. Like, it also gets really. Because I've done so much now, like with Cluster Funk, with our Christmas movie and Lifetime and Hallmark and like we're developing the Cluster Funk into a musical actually for the stage. But. I know, so fun. But everyone's always like, well, yeah, it's such a weird time to program because nobody thinks about it. And then everybody's trapped in the. And they're all watching Hallmark movies because all they want to do is comfort food.

Because they just want something new. Because the old stuff kind of like, why don't we visit the old stuff?

As much as there's not that much.

But many people do.

I know many people do, but I'm.

Like, like, I do White Christmas. I do. It's A Wonderful Life. I do Rudolph. I do. What do you do?

Charlie Brown.

Charlie Brown.

Rudolph's good. Frosty's good. Yeah, there's. There's also Heat Miser and, yeah, the Heat Miser. Those are bops, by the way. Yeah, I'm Mr. Heat miser. Whatever I touch starts to melt in.

My clutch I'm too much Rankin and Bass. Right? That's what.

Yeah, that was good. You know what's funny, though, like, you're talking about, like, going to, like, red states, and I remember I was looking at. Because I'm going on the road for all of December, and the by far slowest markets, like, the tour is selling great, but, like, the slowest ones were Philadelphia and Atlanta. And I asked my agent, I'm like, why are these so slow? And they were like, oh, because those cities are, like, the anxiety is so high for the election. For the election. And, like, as he said across the board, like, those are. Any swing state is, like, tough. And now it's kind of like, wow, I really do hope people, like, come out because I think that the amount of anxiety that had to have been felt.

Well, they were also getting, like, that. Think about how many calls. Robocalls. Exactly.

Oh, yes. Spending a lot of money, I bet, too, like, at different events and because people that were really activated in those areas are spending a lot of money, like, in the way that other areas may not have been also just. I mean, we were in Pennsylvania recently, and it's tense. Like, it is tense. You look around at people and you're like, how are you looking at me? And I think that. You know what I'm saying. I know I had a decision for.

That the next day after the election.

It was rough. It was.

No, I had people in canvassing say, I'm afraid to vote because I'm afraid what my neighbors will do. I mean, it's. You know, people are scared.

Yeah, it's tough.

That's why we're gonna continue to need a little Christmas right this very moment. Need a little Christmas. Bringing the clowns.

I feel this descendant of the clouds theme is really, really trenchant or trenchant. Yeah.

I don't know what that means, but I like it.

We need to find out in real time.

Well, favorite Christmas on a cover.

Say what?

Favorite Christmas on a cover. On the album or off the album? Off. Sugar and Booze. Favorite Christmas song to cover. I'm so sorry.

To cover. Well, I love the version that on my album is Sleigh Ride.

It's great.

Nobody, like, it's not that popular. Like, nobody listens to it. But I love. It's like this sort of bossa nova cover, and I love it. Yeah. Yeah.

You're so at home in that style too.

You and Maya in that, like, sort of, like, Cuban.

Yeah. We have that secret Santa song that I wrote. Yeah. Maya's so funny on it. You know where we recorded that? Which is so crazy because Maya's, like, knows everybody. We recorded that in Joni Mitchell's studio in LA because her friend, like, runs that studio.

Oh, that's amazing.

And actually, Pharrell, they snuck us in to do it really fast because apparently Pharrell had it for the day. So Pharrell doesn't know that he paid for my studio time. That song, which is kind of excellent.

He's good for it.

Yeah.

Means vigorous or incisive in expression or style.

And then what did I say was.

Trenchant the point that the. Send in the clowns.

Sending the clowns is trenchant. I would say vigorous and incisive in expression.

Send in the clown.

Send in the clowns. Duh. Is trenchant. That's a rule of culture. That's rule of culture number 75. Send in the clowns.

Is trenchant.

Good.

Why?

You would do a great rendition of that song.

It's kind of a downer.

Yeah, but that's. Yeah, but I love it.

There's an ounce of triumph to it.

Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.

Yeah.

I think it's beautiful. On how sad and resign I know I'm.

Now that I'm in my third chapter, I don't feel anything. I try to shut down feelings as fast as possible.

You know what?

I know, because I figured fourth chapter.

Is going to be about getting them. No, fourth.

Because fourth chapter, a lot of people are going to start dying, and so then I'm going to have to cry a lot. But then by fifth chapter, be like, well, that we were good. And then I'll be. It.

It is crazy. Like, I was watching, like, Hillary was obviously doing the rounds a little bit, and a lot of her friends are dead. Hillary Clinton, Sorry.

Well, Kelly, she's always talking about, well.

This is my friend who died, and this is my friend who died. And I was like, oh, God.

I mean, it happens.

It happens. I know.

What about Kelly?

No, my friend Kelly was. She was. She was like. We were talking about when certain people were going to die that, you know, might die, that maybe were just elected, and we were talking just, like, loosely about that.

Right.

And just in theory, you know, just how that might Go. And she was saying. She was like, the people who feel die more, right? No, no, no.

Some. Someone was saying this. Like, people who are that disgusting tend to live so long.

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The point I was making earlier, I'm a little self conscious about because it's not really what I believe about celebrities and the celebrity endorsement of it all.

No, I'm glad you said that.

What I'm talking about, I Get it is like standing up for issues is important. And I think standing up for women is important. I just. I just think all of that is important. What I'm saying is, though, when a celebrity is at a certain privilege level, we all are. Some people are not listening and they feel patronized for it. And I think there's something to learn from that in maybe how comfortable we all felt.

No, listen, I want to say my husband just. He's an advertising. But he just did this huge research project on the heartland because he also feels, as we all do, I think correctly, that many people in rural America feel patronized. And that is an understandable point of view that is, I think, very real. And it is incumbent upon us to find common ground when people feel that marginalized. And what's interesting is that this is common ground that he discovered. First of all, community is really important in rural America. That was like the number one thing. Your community is almost more important than politics. Yeah. Other things. And the second is making and doing, which was really, really interesting in the research. So we may be making and putting on a, you know, putting on a show or whatever, like putting on our wigs and, you know, getting a barn together decoratively. Right. But it's funny because Martha Stewart, bring it back to her. One of the reasons she appeals is making and doing. There's like a lot of time spent with sort of crafts and taking care of your property and taking care of your car and sort of mechanical uses of your time, literally.

But what we have in common with that is we also make things. That's what we do. And so somehow finding the. To communicate the two of those things. So it's not just arrogant fucking didactic entertainment. And it's not just like, you know, mud races. Like, there's gotta be somewhere where those two things do overlaps lately. And it doesn't have to be as divisive as it is.

Exactly, totally.

You know.

Exactly.

Because a lot of the messaging might have been from the left. Like, be more like us.

Yes, exactly.

There's a level of disdain that's implied.

Yes, completely.

And there's something about, like, redistributing respect or something.

It's really hard.

It's so hard.

It's hard when you don't feel respected.

Totally.

You know, it's understandable as a gay person in America or as a ethnic woman in the 80s.

Yeah.

A great woman.

Ethnic woman in the 80s.

I have to flat iron my hair.

See me. Yes. But I mean, so I know how it is. I know I know it came down Disney.

Let's talk about Disney.

Yes, Disney.

Oh, my God.

Our listeners, they hate us.

Let me talk about Disney so much. Our listeners are saying, oh, my God.

Well, we're going to hopefully go December. Oh, I'll tell you when. But no, because there's this one thing that I have done over the years that is so incredible, which I'm going to tell you. We all type that off camera.

What is it just that you can't do it.

Just say candlelight processional. Have you ever watched.

Oh, you've done it.

I've done it.

Wow.

Wonderful.

That's one of my dreams. I want to do that.

You absolutely have to do it. First of all, like I said, not a religious person, but boy, does Jesus flow through me when I do that. Because there are 350 voices behind you. Your spine shakes from the bass of the singers. There are 56 pieces in that orchestra with those Disney arrangements. There were eight heralding trumpets. It is so spectacularly magnificent. And you read the story of Christmas and it's very hard not to cry.

Yes, that's beautiful. This is it.

Like, there's no church anymore, but, like, what needs to be replaced is, like, meaning. And that's the unique.

Oh, my God. And also a big part of the meaning is the fact that my family gets the guide the whole time that I'm there.

Oh, yeah, that's huge. It's very meaningful. Shout out to rvip God, Matt.

We'll see you soon, babe. And Sam, do you have Matt?

I have Sam, too.

Sam was.

Sam has Tina and Mariah Carey and Mariah.

But then Matt is.

Matt was like, spit out of, like a Disney sort of 3D printer. Right.

Are we talking about the same person?

He's the most lovely young guy. Yes, lovely young guy.

This guy is great.

He's delightful.

Oh, we love Matt so much.

Do you take in a show when you go to Disney? I like to take in a show just to cool my jets.

What do you mean, take in a show?

Like, go fantastic. Yeah, I'll sit down and enjoy that year's Beauty and the Beast or whatever.

I'll take it, you know, what did we see? Did we go into the Frozen show? I think we stayed till. Let it go and left.

Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I mean, aladdin. Nice little 45 minutes.

Oh, I love Wham bam, thank you.

Beauty and the Beast. We saw her twirl.

Yeah, fantastic. I mean, all of it. I like taking in a show for a break because it's often air conditioned.

Of course.

Oh, that's the thing.

And you can settle in. Yeah. And where's your favorite place to eat? Do you like Walt Disney World or Disneyland?

We'll do both.

I love World. I love Tiffin's. Animal Kingdom.

Tiffin's in Animal Kingdom.

I haven't been to Tiffins.

Oh, you should go. This is good.

No. So Jeff and Tina turned us on to the cars 1. Do you ever go to Not Cars World. Do you ever go to the Old Timey in Frontierland? Sci Fi movie.

Oh, the sci Fi. Yes, yes.

Also really good for. Again, a lot of our thoughts are around the kids. Yeah, my kids are old now, but early on, those taking in a show and sitting in the drive in, those are like, it's hot. Everybody's overstimulated. Let's sit in the dark for a few minutes.

Yes, that's important.

Where we went for lunch this last time was the Space restaurant. Remember that? Oh, space 220.

Space 220, which is the restaurant in Mission Space.

But it's like they pretend it's an elevator. That takes. Yeah, I think it was booked when we were there. We to get in.

It's kind of goofy, but it was good.

But it's fine.

I do OG Blue Bayou.

Oh, come on.

So you can have a cocktail. God damn it.

I mean, why not? Yeah, it might glow in the dark. It might.

It just might. It just might be too sweet. That's the thing. It's like now, whenever I go drink there, I always drink beer because everything is so sweet.

Everything's so sweet. Now you're in your sugar watching times.

Yes.

But also post monitor times.

Sweet cocktails. It's really tough.

Like, you can get wine over in California Adventure.

You sure can.

So your listeners are tired of hearing it anyway?

Well, no.

We have this game in my family. It's called Nervous Breakdown Job.

Go ahead.

It's what you're going to do after your nervous breakdown.

Oh, great. What's yours? What's yours?

Well, mine is going to be. And it's kind of a cheat because it is a job at Disney, but we have different versions of it. My main one is that I'm going to work at Trader Joe's on the Fearless Flyer, where I write up reviews of new Trader Joe's products.

That's good.

But if I have a nervous breakdown and I end up in Disney, I'm going to try to audition to be the Wicked Stepmother. Meet and.

Oh, my God, Lady Tremaine.

They're so funny. Those women are so Funny. So I yell at people, yell at children. It's not unlike my character actually in Mattress.

No, actually, you're rehearsed, you're ready to go.

Nervous breakdown. Job at Walt Disney World is. It's all Disney. He's sorry, everybody. He's going to manage the tiny barge trip from the yacht to Epcot.

Oh, that's wonderful.

You know, they get on and they're like, all aboard. Oh, that's perfect.

You know what? Those simple joys.

And then all aboard.

Yeah, you just go right back.

He's gonna do that all day and find it soothing.

You know what the culture that made me say culture for me in many regards was this is not Disney. But it was Universal Studios. The Jaws, Ride the boat, the Skipper. I actually am off book on it. And I'm not kidding you, I did a show years ago at UCB called A1 man show called you will get wet, which actually doesn't really qualify where my character's biggest dream was to be that the skipper on the Jaws butt and Bo and Yang played the shark.

I played the vanguard. Oh, I see where this is going in your future careers.

I did. I staged the ride and there was water effects and everything. I did it in the basement at UCB Chelsea. Actually, there is a YouTube video of it. I don't know if I've taken it down.

That sounds fantastic.

It was good. It was good. Shannon O'Neil did not give me a.

Run, but it was an excellent show.

It was almost in the Clowns.

One of these. One of these Days.

Is that a great title? You will get wet.

Yes.

So good.

It's really good. Bring it back.

I'm gonna use it for something else.

Listen, there's gonna be a lot of Disney times in the coming years for a lot of America if they drop their prices because it's gotten very expensive.

Can I say this is a thing, though. It's like after the result came in, I was like, you know, it's the separation of wealth because families can't even go to fucking Disney World anymore.

You're absolutely right.

Like, that's what it is, is it's like we talk about the separation of wealth, we talk about wealth inequality.

I know.

Ad nauseam.

And.

And then it's like the Democratic Party decides to put someone up who doesn't make that a forefront issue, at least enough for people. And we're surprised. I mean, the separation of wealth is the number one thing that we have to fix. Money has to come out of politics. There needs to be some redistribution A billion dollars. It's crazy. And meanwhile, this, like, Whatever. I'm just saying, it's like, you talk about these things, and then it is sad because families can't experience it anymore.

That's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah.

The prices are out.

You know what? Why don't we start a fund?

Maybe.

I was gonna start a community college fund, but you know what? Let's start a Disney.

Disney fund.

Start a Disney fund for everybody.

For everybody. It's for the community.

It is.

It's just so sad.

Why not?

I know.

Everybody gets a guide. Everybody gets a guide.

Honestly, I should be a guide. I really should be a guide.

Well, that's a good nervous breakdown job for you. Get your steps.

Perfect.

Get your steps.

Get your steps.

This is my nervous breakdown job. So when you get a guide, when you arrive at each park.

Yes.

There's someone waiting there with a wicker tray full of, like, Lara Bars. Luna Bars. And I want to hold that tray.

You know what I really want to do? Because when they. Okay, this is cutting deep. But when they give you the guide for Candlelight Processional, they give you VIP housing. So the housing is unbelievable. Okay, so we stay in, like, yacht club, or you stay. We stayed in, like, the Polynesian. In the apartment where the Beatles broke up. Where they. Yes, yes. All the things.

The Beatles broke up at Disney World.

I know. Go figure. Well, John Lennon was there with his family anyway. He was, like, standing. I love it. He was. Oh, fuck it. I'm out. But in the nice, fancy. You know, there's club levels of hotels.

Right, right, right.

So they have. And my family always gets so excited about this because you'll have, like, a little breakfast spread. Not a big one. Cause it's like a club level. Like, you're still expected to go to breakfast, but there's some, like, you know, a little, like, croissants and whatever. And they come out throughout the day, and it always. It tells you the times of the day. And every time, my husband's like, are the desserts and cordials out yet? The desserts and cordials get excited. We're like, let's check out the desserts and cordials. Like, oh. And we always get.

You were doing a service, a candlelight, professional service, and you deserved all those desserts.

I want a cordial.

I want a cordial. It's the dessert Christmas season, damn it.

I want to eat fresh fruit with y'all in the morning.

You bet. You can come. We always have extra beds. I haven't done it for a long time.

You gotta go.

I gotta go.

Why not this year? I guess you're gonna be.

Every year. I'm like, next year.

Next year.

We went during COVID and we all discovered we had Covid the last. Because obviously we got it because it was Florida's. Nobody was masked. It was like that weird little omicron break. Okay. As we landed at Orlando, I received three calls from the Department of Health from my son. Like, he has been exposed. He has been. I was like, no, I'm fine. We're going to Disneyland.

Have you been around a lot of Florida people? Yeah.

And then literally everybody in Florida, no mask, nary a mask to be found, of course. And then the last morning, and my mom, my old mom had shared a room. I mean, granted, it was a big Disney room, so it was like two queen size beds and he was in one. But literally my mom from the other room, she's like, what is two lines mean? I was like, get in the car.

God, can you imagine there, like, all these public health officials taking sewage water from Orlando, going like, God, it's a lot of COVID and turkey.

I texted Sam.

I was like, sam, my man. Because we were all masked.

We're down. We're down bad. I was like, sorry, we're down bad.

But also it was I. And I'm not a good person. I got on a plane. I double masked everybody. I was like, no one even on the plane had a mask.

Sure.

So I was like, we're going home. I'm not going to spend a week at Disney quarantined with a child.

No, you don't.

We double masked and we got home.

We also. We were also on vacation. Then we got. We got Covid. Well, you had just had Covid. Yes, I. We thought we were in the clear. And then I got Covid. Gnarly. In Mexico City. Oh, yeah.

Lonely.

And I. And I. It was crazy because I was like, in a hotel. Well, in a hotel in Mexico City. And I was starting to feel a little weird. Like two hours before we had to get on the plane was this early or I took a test and it was like. And it said I was next, but I was starting to feel weird. So I like triple masked it. And I got on the plane and I went.

And.

But you weren't sure if it was like a water that you drank or something.

It could have been anything. And so I was like, I'm gonna test. And it said I was negative. Masked up, got on the plane because.

It'S a bad feeling.

Then what was I gonna do like I would have had to be there for a week.

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This is.

I don't think so, honey. This is our segment where we take one minute to rant and rail against something in culture that we don't love.

Yes. Do you have something? You'll go first.

I do have something. I do have something.

Okay, this is Matt Rogers. We all have something. Very good. This Is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

I don't think so, honey. So the Beatles song, the new song now and Then, is nominated for record of the Year. And the way that they got John Lennon's voice on it is by aiing his voice out. Like they had to bring his voice out so they used AI on it to make it a real vocal.

I don't think so, honey.

I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. The AI recreation of people that have been long dead. He's been dead for 40 plus years. I don't think so, honey. The Whitney Houston holographic. I don't think so, honey. The Elvis holographic. These people actually can't consent to sing music. And this is not just John Lennon. This is also George Harrison. And I get that his wife says, you know, George would have been on board for this. I don't know what Yoko is saying, but I don't think so, honey. If I ever die.

15 seconds.

No AI las cocheristas. I'm telling you, I don't care how much money Bowen Yang needs, because he's talking about pivoting to holding a wicker tray at Disney. I don't care how south his career goes. No AI lost coach after I am dead. No AI Beatles song now. Especially not nominated for Recorder of the Year at the Grammys. Where. Where was Ariana Grande? I'm so humble.

Where was Ariana? And that's one minute. No way. Especially if it's gonna, like, suck up all the power that could be used to, you know, power a small town.

That's another thing is like, how harmful AI was for the environment.

I didn't know that.

Oh, yeah.

I'm really glad that it's a lot.

Of water to cool down all of the. Whatever stuff.

It's like a hologram or AI voicing.

Well, AI all of it, I guess part of it now. It's all kind of blending together. It's like anything generative is AI, but for anything AI, it has to be derivative by default too. So it's like, I don't know. Weirdly, I'm like, eh. About it. Because I'm like, it will always be derivative by definition, correct?

That's correct.

And so I'm like, oh, you're right.

As a comedian, that's such a. Like a weird sort of almost constitutional stance, you know? You know, is that the right word?

What's the word constitutional?

I don't know. I mean, trenchant. Is it constitutional like, you have to take a big shit after you if.

It references your constitution.

Like, people say, like, let's take a constitutional. They mean like a gentle wall or.

A massive shit together.

Let's take communal constitutional. Comedians don't like people who copy them. There you go, There you go.

No, so there's like, no, there's no worse. It's so trenchant that we've said this. There's no worse thing.

I don't know the AI of it all. Like, no. Because now I get really wary of people that are like, yeah, but about AI. I'm like, I don't think so.

I mean, maybe, okay, oops, I just did it. But medical research or like, quick research.

Sure.

Oh, sure, sure.

But isn't that just like a computer?

I'm just like, yeah, I don't want.

An AI operation, but I wouldn't mind somebody saying this cancer cure.

Is this effective based on your vitals? Like, absolutely. I'm just thinking, like, the everyday uses of it. People are still trying to figure out. Even Apple's kind of like, I know, I know you can write your emails with it, but really, I know how to. Like, I know how to.

We need an email.

Totally.

We need to stigmatize this stuff. Idea of, like, if you need AI to write an email for you, that's.

Fucked, by the way. Yeah. Whatever happened to, like, plagiarism being bad? Like, no, you can't. Truly, you can't. I used to get in trouble for reading Cliff Notes back in the day. It's the same idea.

I'm just not a fan of. I'm not a fan of anything that, like, if we participate in it to enough of an extent, makes us lazier and dumber. Correct.

You know what I'm saying, by the way? And that's like the Google Maps of it all. I don't know if you ever do this, but you turn it off every blue moon and try to go somewhere.

Can't.

It's. Well, also, it's a really important piece of your. The navigational piece of your brain affects other things you do in life. So if you don't want to just turn into a total, you know, rube. Yeah. Like in la, every blue moon, I will just not. It's so instinctive to just plug it in. If I'm driving, I'm like, right, I know how to drive there. Yeah.

Yeah. I haven't even thought about that. Like, just allowing myself. Allowing myself, myself to have enough respect for my navigational ability.

Exactly.

Because otherwise you do feel like A soul adrift in space. And it's like you're just being told where to go. I think.

How easy. It's like a bad Blade Runner movie where we could all just be programmed to drive to the same place to be bombed. Yeah, I went there.

Honestly.

Don't bring in the clown.

Okay.

This.

I messed. Has to leave.

You finally went. You. You bought a Blade Runner.

And why'd you rather bring Blade Runner and Google Maps and a bomb?

This is Bo and Yang. Do you have anything you want?

I do. I do.

You want to rail?

Yeah.

Okay. This.

Lots of things.

Is Bowen Yang's? I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

I don't think so, honey. Putting little stickers over the hole in coffee cups that you're supposed to drink because I gotta take the sticker off. And guess what? Now I'm drinking sticker juice instead of coffee. And now my lips are sticking together and I go, no, I just want to enjoy my iced black coffee. That's it. I'm not asking for much. I just want iced coffee in a cup. And I understand that it's to prevent spillage. And I understand that you're taping over the bag so that there's no tampering and it's all security theater. But sometimes I just out all this. Literally all this red tape or this white circle of tape over my drink hole. I just want an unencumbered drink hole so I can sip, sip, sip, suck, suck, suck, guzzle, guzzle, guzzle the caffeine into my system because I need it to get through this damn day in this damn year of this damn world. Get the sticker and the adhesive off my coffee. Otherwise I'll be drinking Oxy, for God's sakes. When I just want a gorgeous cup of Dunkin Donuts.

That's good timing.

Thank you.

That was great. I will also say you said so many words and didn't even touch on what I think is the most annoying part, which is when you have to peel the scrap off. Then you have stickery finger on this part of your finger is very bad also too.

See, gravity like this is higher. Why we don't need it.

We don't need that.

It's not coming out much of the top. It's only spilling. Let me paint, which is a peeve of mine. It's only spilling if the fucker filled it too high, right? So it's coming out the. Besides, I blame the fucker. I blame that she's a shithead lid.

Culture is In a state of disarray. Like no one can figure out what lid to put on anything. And sometimes it's like you go to a certain coffee place because you know they're not going crazy with their lids and they'll have changed. Like I don't.

And you know what? I take it back. I love a barista and I have a cafe. There are barista. They're clowns. And I really love. I love coffee. I love coffee so much that I've actually had this thought. I'm not proud. If I went to prison, I'd be super sad because the coffee situation would be so bad.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What is the coffee situation?

I'm sure it's non existent.

It's not great.

So I love. I will never. I didn't give it up when I was pregnant. I didn't give it up. I will never, ever, ever give up coffee.

Should we start a fund for prison coffee?

Yes.

What would it be called?

Doesn't it sound terrible?

It doesn't sound good.

No.

What would the Jail behind bars.

Jail behind bars.

Bruise behind. Behind bars.

Why is my brain going to. We did it, Joe. We really did another. We didn't do it, Joe. At all.

Joe. We didn't.

Joe, what did you do?

It is so Jova.

It's switch over. Well, what's begun now? Are you ready? Because this is your moment.

Okay.

Okay.

This is Anna Goss. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.

This is what? What are we starting?

No, sorry.

I'm sorry.

Her time starts to neck.

Oh, no. Oh, Kelly's gonna pass.

Oh. Her time starts next. Commercial break.

This is on a gospel. I don't think so. Her time starts now.

Okay, so my I don't think so, honey is about TikToker POV video on Instagrams. Nobody understands that it has to be an actual point of view that is something new. So here's what it has to be a new take. It has to be observational. It has to be something that I haven't thought of. That's a witty use of humor. For example, I just saw one that was pov. You get to the airport, find your gate, pee, and get a snack. That's not a pov. That is just going to the airport and doing what people do when they go to the airport. There's no pithy observation therein. That's not. Oh, my God. My dad got a dog. He didn't want it, and now he's carrying it around in a baby Bjorn. I Get it? That's a pov. That's funny. What's not a POV is pov. I took a shower before I went to work. What is wrong with people? You have to have some kind of a take. And if you're not doing, you know what, put your phone down and go to the airport and get a magazine and piss and get on your plane.

And if you open up Google Maps, you're dead.

And that's one minute. You know, I hate to break it to you, but I think that they know this and willfully aren't doing it because I'll be shocked.

Do something about your phone, then just live your life for four seconds just being a human.

I guess. The thing is though, they're more interested in viral than humanness.

Who is going to like or comment on pov? You find your gate and get a sandwich.

So many people. That's what I'm telling you. It's like when I, when I have worked with social media people, if I ever had to do like a TikTok or something, like for my album, I'll be shocked. Sometimes when you realize what's trending, it's like, hey, so you have to walk from here to here and this song is going to play. Pov.

You got on the elevator.

Yeah, but literally it's like, no, it's.

People want mailing a letter.

The appetite is. Is for everyday mundanity.

Well, that's fine. At least if you're gonna be pithy about it. Like, I don't mind something that's like, I don't know, something new or observational. Like, that's the Seinfeldian moment of it all. Of like, oh my God, you know?

But the POV thing is even so stupid because they don't understand what POV stands for.

No, they have no idea it's from.

The first person point of view at all. It's just like, pov, I'm going to the airport and then they're in the frame. You know what I mean? That's what these kids are doing too.

Right? Right. And I don't.

At the airport.

And then it's them, pov, pov, me with my friend. It's just, oh yeah, pov. I'm hanging out with my friend, but a friend isn't there.

Again, I'm just like, I don't mind. I really. You have to develop some semblance of an observation if this is supposed to be funny or engaging in any way. Like, I, well, this is my theory.

This is my like almost Like, I'm gonna say, like, boomer take. Which is like, oh, language is breaking down. Like, no one. No one knows how to communicate with each other. And therefore. And here we are.

I mean, but that's also like, secondary. All. All of the application. I mean, of life. Yeah, exactly. Like, you're. We early on tried to, like, address phone usage with our kids or whatever. And everybody was like, the only way they communicate is to take and picture of themselves on snap and send it to one another.

Yeah.

Nude or otherwise. But it's just. Even like, if there's courtship rituals they don't believe. No, you're right. Absolutely right. My 16 year old, you'll see him do that and you're like, what are you doing? He's like, oh, I just snapped something. I have to snap, my friend. Like, there's no. There's no, hey, I'm at a restaurant with my folks. Or like, there's no even texting. Is one iteration too boring and bloated for them?

It's chokey. This has infiltrated being at dinner with your family. Like, nothing is sacred anymore.

But also, this is why we are where we are. We are sheep.

Totally.

Did you see that? Australia wants to do a ban on social media until the kids are 16.

Well, I think it's actually. Well, this is boring to talk about to our audience, but, I mean, I actually think it's coming. I do. I really do believe the tide is turning because that is actually a purple state issue. People across the board are understanding that attention spans aren't, you know, also, the algorithm just screaming all now, what is this, the third election that we're just screaming at Facebook, like, that's all we're doing, so. Or, you know, into Instagram or. None of us are actually engaging or. Or having conversations that are face to face or human to human and it's not gonna get any better.

Or with anyone that would challenge an opinion that you may have. I mean, that's. I watched AOC's live, like the day or two after the election.

The Chandelier Day after, we'll call it Chandelier Day. Crashing chandelier.

The Martha Day.

The big pull. She said she was like, sectarianism has to stop. Like, that's why I'm so kind of blown away by people being like, unfollow this person. If you follow me. And you're this, da, da, da. I'm like, I understand where this comes from, but if. If you can't see the forest for the trees, that this is the problem. The Fact that we were so shocked that it went that way. If you were shocked like that is because we are siloed off, all of us, from one another. And if we want to be a country. Which I think is a question. It seems like if we want to be a country, we cannot silo off.

We're in, like, an algorithmic echo chamber. All of us, you know, except for. To pop out and troll people. That's literally right.

Not me. No.

Never.

Bowen, you aren't trolled or you don't troll.

I'm not in an echo chamber.

Oh, really?

Yeah. He has incredible outside, honey.

Okay.

That's not indoors, but that's because of it. I love it.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

And you, you. You power down for 48 hours every, every week. Right. Just for your mental health.

I'm looking at maps. He reaches across the aisle.

Old school. A. I miss those.

Honestly.

We're not.

Oh, a seven.

I know, I know.

That was so cute.

But, I mean, even those little. Everybody. We're all addicts. We're all addicts.

We're all addicts. Thoughts on the Martha Stewart doc?

Oh, my God. I loved it.

I loved it.

I loved it, actually. I love her.

I think she'd be good on this show.

She'd be great on this show.

She would be great on this show. She, especially in her sixth chapter, is extraordinarily enjoying all the things she's been through, and she's letting herself soften. I mean, I've known her now. Ish. My impression impersonation was 30 years ago or 28 or whatever, and she always been a great sport and all that. Yeah. Jimmy Carter.

She allowed.

She's been Jimmy Carter. She allowed. Even though she's not, like, a terrifically funny person, but she's very easy. She understood. She's a good business person. But mostly, I have to say, this is my fifth chapter take on her eighth chapter. Sixth chapter. Is that my third chapter take on her fifth chapter? Right. Is that she really is like, I don't know. There's something to be said for this. Like, old people wisdom.

Yeah.

Like, you get your heart broken a lot in a life, and she kind of buckles down. I love that whole thing that she says about, like, I don't want to deal with feelings all the time. Like, I like guys that do stuff. I want to go places. I want to take in the world. Her boyfriend Charles, that she had for a while, she was like, he's just a doer. Like, we would do stuff. And I get that, like, there's so many. I do, of course I validate feelings and of course I want. But there is a at which we have to get up and put our shoes on and not POV or at the airport, but rather just go get the sandwich and pee and like, have plans and do things.

Water the garden and.

Water the garden. And make a party and invite your friends over and I don't know, there's just something very. Granted, she lives deeply within privilege, but she. I love that she's just a. She doesn't sleep at all. That's a true thing about her. I know her assistant and that's really true. She's never. All of her businesses were born of ENS insomnia. That was early on. And the fact that she was doing crafts with those ladies in the prison and like, growing, working on the garden and like, she just is a doer. And there's something deeply inspirational to me about that.

That garden thing is what kind of cracked something open for me where she was like, if you want to be married for a year, if you want to be happy for a year, get married. If you want to be happy for a decade, get a pet, get a dog. If you want to be happy for a lifetime, get a garden, Plant a garden. Plant a garden. And I'm like, oh, that's it.

Yeah.

Or any kind of garden, any size. You just have to do something.

Yeah, exactly.

Literally mold the earth with your hands.

And she's doing that every day in different ways. I mean, and she's endlessly creative from a business standpoint, but also, let's just say, OG feminist, because she turned domestication on its ear and became a billionaire. She took, she somehow understood Purple state. Early on, people were very shitty, including me on snl, about her selling that brand to Kmart. And she was like, why wouldn't people at Kmart want nice things? And it's. She just.

She would say that on, like, Letterman. It's. Yeah, makes total sense.

I love that. I love that she, you know, again, I mean, it's insane. Like, when you look at, like, whatever, let's have cornish hens for 100 in that catering company. It was insane. It was totally insane. I mean, like, you know, you're just looking at her stuff like, what? That's impossible. She was just making it happen. And then she was like, this is a business. This is a business. And she's been very open minded about lots of types of all kinds of people across our, you know, culture. I think she's right.

I didn't realize that Andy Stewart, her husband, was.

Was a. Cheating.

Was so like that. But then that story about her in the cathedral.

I know.

So beautiful. So beautiful, but also random. She's like, I got so overwhelmed by being in a cathedral that I made out with an Italian story. I love her, though. That's such a gay guy thing.

Yeah, it really was.

It was the pie that wasn't deeply relatable. I mean, she was like, it wasn't cheating. I was in the basilica.

Yeah, no, the basilica is a. Is a. You can't judge yourself. What happens.

Everybody's God in that space.

Yeah, everybody's God. And that's what she really is. She's like an instrument of beauty. Like, she loves beautiful things, and she wants everyone to experience. I mean, and they are like. I don't know. Like, there's a big part of me. It's like. It's so cheesy. But, like, Paris is my favorite city. And, like, I've gone. And it's like, you have a. You're like, I just can't stand how every single thing here is perfect. I'm so happy. Like, it's your vi. You vibrate with beauty.

And it reminds me of the Will and Harper thing, where at the end, like, he gets Harper, those earrings.

I know.

Like, it's okay to. Nice. It's okay to, like, nice things. Nice.

That was beautiful.

It's okay to like.

I know.

And I'm like.

And it doesn't have to be the most expensive. Like, that's what's so cool.

Garden. There you go.

Plant a garden.

A plant, a garden. A flower. A vegetable of fruit. It's a lovely thing that you made.

I know. And she was so cool. When I was on Drew, she was so, like. I mean, we quote, unquote, surprised her, which I was always like, you know, again, just a nightmare. Because, you know, it's not a person who loves a surprise. And she, like, you know, And I'm, like, sailing in dressed as her. And she was so sweet.

Sailing in.

She just kept sailing in. She kept, like, grabbing my hand, and she was, you know, ruining it by talking through the front sweater. Like, oh, you look so much like me. But it was still, like, so charming. And she hugged me after, and her assistant was like, it's so great to see you. We should do more together. You know, it's just very. She gets it. She's always gotten it.

Totally.

We were mean on Saturday night, and she always got it. Actually, everybody on snl, Celine Dion, Same thing. So graceful about it. And I, you know, well, partially. I think she thought I had a bad voice, which helped. But because she said that to me, she was like, your voice is so horrible to hear. Which I was like, this is a language barrier thing. I'm gonna choose to believe your voice is so horrible to hear.

Okay, they're saying we gotta wrap up. Which means it's time to say one more time that you can see Once Upon a Mattress at The Ahmanson in LA from December 10th to January 5th. And you should. And also, if you can catch it in the last, I guess, couple weeks on Broadway, November 30th. It really is. It's joyous. It's fun. Sugar and booze. You better be streaming it and checking out the shows in the Midwest and in LA. What day on that December 16th?

One night only.

Yeah, love.

But mostly just listen to it because it really. I did make it to bring people joy. Listen to it while you're wrapping your presents and you're shaking. Shaking your drinks and you're shaking your ass and you're shaking your everything.

Yeah. Shake and jiggle.

Shake that ass.

Shake that ass. While you listen to sugar and booze. We are so happy you're here, this show.

Thank you for joining us. You guys are the best. Thank you for having me and my daughter and her fellow gays say thank you.

We say hi to all the gays and the guzbins and everybody out there, we want to say hello to you. And we end every episode with a song. Have yourself a merry little Christmas Let.

Your heart be bright. But we'll work on it.

Why didn't we sing?

I love to sing.

Why didn't we sing?

Why'd you start so high? Goddamn tenors. See, this is the next.

We're not tenors.

This is the second time in a row, our third time in a row.

That someone's called us out for our keys.

Shocked me for the key.

No, it's a nice. It's your song, it's your show.

And have you yourself.

Little Christmas now. Good dad. Lost Cult.

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Had enough of this country? Ever dreamt about starting your own?

I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this.

It's surprisingly easy.

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Or maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory. Oh, my God. What is that?

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Hi, I'm Dani Shapiro, host of the hit podcast Family Secrets. How would you feel if when you met your biological father for the first time, he didn't even say hello? And what if your past itself was a secret and the time had suddenly come to share that past with your child. These are just a few of the powerful and profound questions we'll be asking on our 11th season of Family Secrets. Listen to season 11 of Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.