Transcript of US and Iran hold crucial talks mediated by Oman

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North Korea's leader, Kim Jong Un, says he could get along well with the US if the Communist state is recognized as a nuclear power. Also in this podcast. While a tree grows, it consumed carbon dioxide and it stores it in the tree for as long as these buildings are standing. Why Europe's construction industry is turning to wood to cut carbon emissions. Iranian and American officials have been meeting again in Geneva for what are being seen as crucial talks about Tehran's nuclear program. It comes as the United States continues to strengthen its military presence in the Middle East, with a number of countries urging their citizens to leave. In his State of the Union address on Tuesday, President Trump said he would never allow what he called the world's number one sponsor of terror to have nuclear weapons. But Tehran insists it has no intention of building such a bomb, and that its program is purely civilian purposes. Iran's President, Massoud Pzezkian, said his orders came directly from the country's Supreme Leader, Ayatolli Ali Khaminaï. Trump says that Iran must announce we will never have a nuclear weapon. The Supreme Leader has stated that we will never have a nuclear weapon.

Maybe you can say that I'm like those politicians and I lie, but the leader of a society, the religious leader of a society, cannot lie. When he says that we will never have a nuclear weapon, that means we will never have it. Oman, which is acting as mediator, says the negotiations will resume on Thursday evening. This third round is being viewed by some as a last chance for diplomacy. Our chief international correspondent, Liesdusset, is in Switzerland covering the negotiations for us. Well, I'm speaking to you from outside the Oman residents here in Geneva. You may hear the hub of other journalists, such as the interest and the significance of these talks. There is a large contingent of media from around the world. We saw the American convoy leaving here about an hour ago, then the Iranian delegation left. What is really significant is that in all the other times when the Iranians and Americans met for mainly indirect, but not completely. We understand they have been talking face to face as well. They meet for a few hours, and then they go their separate ways. This is the first time that they're coming back. The Omanee Foreign Minister, Badr Al-Bousedi, who is the main mediator, said on social on X, he said, They exchange creative and positive ideas.

We're taking a break, and then we're going to come back again. And we understand they are trying to work on the details of some a draft text of an agreement. I think the general assessment is that if it is just confined to the nuclear program of Iran in exchange for sanctions, a deal is difficult, but it is doable. So the Iranians do respect the US negotiators? They have very, very different negotiating styles. There is so little trust between the two sides. Bear in mind that Iran was involved in negotiations with the Americans headed by Steve Whitkoff last year, and it was just days before the sixth round of talks that Israel attacked Iran, which triggered the 12-day war, which drew in the United States. And don't forget that President Trump pulled out of the 2015 Iran nuclear deal in 2018. So Iranian officials continued to say that we want to do a deal, we're going to continue to negotiate, but we don't want to be, in their words, surprised. And that's why they, like the Americans, are preparing for war, if indeed it does come to war this time as well. And also there are very different individuals.

You have the foreign minister of Iran, who has more than a decade of experience on the nuclear file. He was very much involved in the last landmark negotiations, which led to that multilateral deal. His deputy, Maja Takravanchi, also has more than a decade of experience. They know every part of these nuclear issues. Whereas Steve Whitkoff, who is President Trump's golf buddy, President Trump's preferred envoy, you remember that when he first came into the White House for a second time, he said, My envoies may not know about the height of the mountains or the depth of the rivers, but they know how to do a deal. Steve Whitkoff is a property dealer, just like President Trump was, and he has been sent to do these deals. The Iranians are encouraged that this time it's not just Steve Whitkoff. It It's Jared Kushner, the President's son-in-law. They see that as an even more direct link to the President, and that he pays closer attention to the negotiations. And as I was told by a few diplomats, that Jared Kushner takes notes, whereas Steve Whitkoff never did. Lise Douzet in Switzerland. The committee in the US Congress, which is investigating the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and his accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell, will hear evidence from two of the most important figures in American politics, Bill and Hillary Clinton.

She will give evidence on Thursday, while the former President will do so on Friday. The Clinton's feature in the millions of documents released on Epstein. But this doesn't imply any wrongdoing. Mr. Clinton said that he broke ties with him before he was convicted of child sex offenses in 2008. Mr. Clinton also denies any knowledge of the crimes of Epstein, who killed himself in 2019. There are photographs of the former in a hot tub with a woman and a swimming pool with Maxwell. The Democratic Congresswoman, Yasmin Ansari, serves on the committee, and she was asked if she thought Mr. Clinton knew about Epstein's behavior. I really don't know. I'm just as disgusted when I see photos like that because I know everything that I know. I mean, I hope not, but that's why this deposition is important, and not that we'll get all of the information. But that's why ultimately getting the entirety of these files in an unredacted form and ending this cover-up is so important. The Clintons had initially resisted appearing before the Republican-led House Oversight Committee, but they agreed after Republicans threatened to hold them in criminal contempt of Congress. Mrs Clinton, a former US Secretary of State, told the BBC that they had nothing to hide.

With more, here's our North America editor, Sarah Smith. This is a very, very big moment because these are the two most senior former politicians to have been called in front of the Oversight Committee to give evidence. It's a sign that the committee is managing to do its job in terms of speaking to the people it wants to as they insist that they're conducting an investigation that ought to have been done by the FBI, but that they're doing it instead. They've pledged to try and get justice for victims of Jeffrey Epstein in a way that they think they've been failed by law enforcement. Now, in terms of how much we will learn about Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell's criminal activities, that's a rather different question with the Clintons, because Hillary Clinton insists she does not recall ever meeting Jeffrey Epstein and that she had only very glancing interactions with Ghislaine Maxwell. Bill Clinton, though, of course, will have more questions to answer when he has to sit for a deposition because he has been pictured multiple times in photographs contained in the Epstein files, including pictures of him in a swimming pool and separately in a Jacuzzi with woman whose face is blacked out.

He flew several times on Jeffrey Epstein's plane, so you'll have more to talk about. But for Hillary Clinton herself, she insists that the only reason that she and her husband are being called to testify at all is to try and distract from Donald Trump and the trouble he's in over the Epstein files and the ongoing claims that not enough of the files have been released, that there are still millions of documents that ought to be put into the public domain. It's happening behind closed doors, but it is being filmed. What What has happened with similar sessions to this is that some hours after the deposition is finished, the tape, the television pictures of it are made publicly available. We may have to wait until the next day. It might be 24 hours before we get to see and hear exactly what Hillary Clinton said. It may be into the weekend before we can do the same for Bill Clinton's testimony. But we ought to see all of it at some point, and quite shortly after the deposition, we're likely to hear from members of the committee of what happened whilst she was giving Sarah Smith.

Every five years, the ruling Communist Party in North Korea holds its Congress. It wrapped up with a military parade in the capital, Pyongya, and during the week-long gathering, there was the usual roaring approval for the leadership. Normally, there are also vicious comments about the US, but this time, at least at first glance, the the North Korean leader, Kim Jong Un, sounded somewhat more conciliatory. He said that the two countries could get along well should Washington recognize Pyongya as a nuclear power. Last year, Mr. Trump said he was 100% open to a meeting with the North Korean leader. I asked our correspondent in Seoul, Jake Kwan, what else Mr. Kim had said. Kim Jong Un also had said that he is going to make more nuclear weapons and missiles, that his nuclear bombs are not going away anytime soon. And then he also laid out some wishlist of the weapons he wants to acquire in the next five years. He said that he's going to have a nuclear submarine that can launch missiles from anywhere on Earth, that can hit anywhere on Earth, and also missiles that could hit enemy satellites in the sky. So he laid out some of these ambitious plans, and at the same time, he was saying to the United States that if you accept this as the path of North Korea, then we can get along.

We can do some talks. And this is happening, as you said, there's some speculation that Donald Trump might be willing to sit down with Kim Jong Un again. Last time they did was in 2019. And Donald Trump will be traveling to Beijing in April this year. So there has been a lot of speculation that this might be the time the two countries can restart the peace process. Any reaction publicly anyway from Washington? Well, the Washington had said that they are open to talks, but this is something that they repeat many times. Now, of course, the one that might be most joyed by this is South Korea, which has been pushing for the two leaders, Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un, to meet as part of their peace process. But at the same time, North Korea had singled out South Korea. They're saying that the relationship between the two countries is really a foregone conclusion, that they do not consider South Korea as part of their Brethren anymore, that whatever South Korea has been trying to thaw the relationship with the North, they consider it a mere deception. So South Korea was quite disappointed by this comment, and we heard from Seoul that this comment does not help, and yet they will keep trying to really thaw the relationship and make peace with North Korea.

Let's come back to that possible meeting with Donald Trump. When are we going to know if this could be real and what could it achieve? North Korea and the United States have some things that they could achieve from the other side. Of course, North Korea desperately wants to be recognized as a normal country that can hold these weapons, which, of course, is something that America traditionally has considered a no-go. But for Donald Trump, this is an opportunity for him to, again, declare that he is a pacemaker that he had brought peace on the Korean Peninsula. So if these considerations meet, maybe there is a slim chance of this meeting happen later this year. Jake Kwan in Seoul. One of the largest sources of carbon dioxide emissions in Europe is the construction industry. The making of cement and reinforced concrete accounts for around 40% of CO₂ emitted on the continent. Flights make up less than 3%. Research suggests huge reductions could be made by building in wood. In Portugal, an influx of well-off foreigners and a shortage of houses and construction workers is driving an increase in ready-made wooden houses, as Alister Leathead reports. On a little piece of land in remote rural Portugal, professor of wood architecture, Alex De Rycke, has big plans for his retirement.

This is where the house will be above our heads. Oh, right. On stilt. It's a very steep hill, and there's a couple of old Corkoak trees. I want this wooden house to nestle amongst the canopies of these trees. An abandoned piece of land on Portugal's Wild Western Coast is not where you'd expect to find the winner of Britain's top architectural prize. Alex de Ruyce pioneered building an engineered wood. This makeshift cover is keeping the wood dry and ventilated. Oh, wow. Okay, here it is. This is the wood you're talking about. Yeah. This is one piece of wood that's 13 meters long and 3 meters wide. Wow. I did an experimental house for an exhibition in Oslo called Naked House, where the whole house was made of cross-laminated timber panels. I basically cut the furniture from the So think table, cut from wall becomes window, which lights the table. So the off-cut is the furniture. And now I've brought it here. Right. So that's the house that you're going to put up here? Critics say wooden houses are a fire risk, but Alex isn't worried despite a wildfire near miss a couple of years ago. Ironically, wood is much better behaved in a fire than, say, steel.

And steel collapses suddenly at 500 Celsius, whereas engineered timber, mass timber, just chars and protects itself just like these trees here. The only trees after the fire are the cork trees because they're oak. It's dense timber, and the eucalyptus that caused the fire, they're all It's tripped away. Professor de Raica is one of many new foreign arrivals to Portugal, buying up an abandoned plot of land. Locals have been leaving the countryside for decades. With a shortage of builders, wooden houses are a good option. This is a two bedroom house, 56 square meters. It's made of three different modules. We can step inside if you want. Yeah. One of the biggest suppliers in Portugal is Julá. Amaro Santos showed me around the factory. The homes leave here 95% finished. One of the main advantages is besides the sustainability, it's the certainty that we can provide to the customer on budget, on time, and with the quality that has been contracting with us. This is not easy to have that result with regular and traditional methods of construction, for sure. He says demand for modular houses is growing like a tide that can't be stopped. With the labor shortage, it's easier to have people that are working here and living nearby.

On most part of the country, there is no labor. There is no people available whatsoever. But the other question is, what about the forests? Sweden has been making wooden houses for decades. I'm Sandra Frank, and I'm one of the founding partners at Arvet, developers in Sweden, and we only develop in wood or wooden buildings. Arvet built the world's first eight-storey apartment block entirely out of engineered wood. Sandra asked the factory how long that would take to grow. They said 44 seconds. I realized that we didn't question using concrete or steel, which is also material materials that you take from the nature, but it never grows back. While a tree grows, it consume carbon dioxide, and it stores it in the tree for as long as these buildings are standing. Ama's 100-year-old law in Sweden saying every tree cut down must be replaced. And today, we are planting about four trees for each tree that you take down. The Swedish forest is actually growing a lot every year. Regulatory pressure to use biomaterials and the laws of demand and supply are driving a revolution here. And even the big construction companies are starting to see the wood for the trees.

Alastair Leathead. Still to come in this podcast. I guess I am interested in behavior more than I am in telling stories. I'm interested in trying to get into the head of people. We speak to the director of the Norwegian film that could win big at the Oscars. What happens when a mandate becomes a breakthrough? I'm Nishita Henry, special host of Resilient Edge, a business vitality podcast paid and presented by Deloitte. I sat down with two leaders who are redefining what enterprise transformation looks like. Jerry Huberman from Deloitte and Sarah Oligood from AWS took me behind the scenes on how manufacturing, government, and global enterprises are evolving through major systems change. What excites me is when we have these breakthrough moments that this stuff doesn't happen by accident. The triad of AWS, of Deloitte, of SAP, being able to understand the value proposition that people seek, being able to architect that, and then actually to define a roadmap to progressively achieve the goal, really is what makes these successful. Getting your humans to change the way they're interacting with their technology, the way that they're following the processes, or just that they're reinventing altogether and we're going to completely throw something out is very challenging.

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It's also a symptom of disruption that's happening everywhere. I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, DC. I'm Tristan Redman in London, and this is the global story. Every weekday, we'll bring you a story from this intersection, where the world and America meet. Listen on BBC. Com or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the Global News podcast. In Sudan, there's been an upsurge in drone attacks with deadly consequences. This month alone saw more than 40 people, including children, killed in separate strikes. Now, the US has condemned the rival factions for using these unmanned devices. I heard more from our global affairs reporter, Richard Kegoy, who's covering the story from Nairobi. We've seen growing use of drones since the reca of Khattoum, the military from the RSF. Both sides, that's the army and the paramilitary rapid support forces, have been using drones to strike against not just military positions, but we've seen a focus on civilian populated areas like markets, homes, camps are further displaced, and also targeting civilian infrastructure like bridges and also power stations. That has really been the major point of focus by both sides. These drones are modularly sourced from outside of Sudan. There have been conflict of observatory groups which have been saying that most of them are Turkish made and are Chinese-made drones.

This is inevitable, though, isn't it? They've proved what a cheap and effective tool they are in Ukraine, and now they're going to be in every war. It seems so because as you mentioned, these are widely viewed as low cost assets, and we have seen an incremental use of drones, not just in Sudan, but in other conflicts across Africa. We saw that during the conflict in Northern Tigre, in Ethiopia, in Somalia. We've We've also seen that as well being used in the Sahel region, particularly in West Africa. It's not just by governments targeting positions by militants, but we've also seen like jihadist groups have been using this to carry out attacks in countries like Burkina Faso, in Mali, Cameroon, and also in Nigeria. A very growing and a disturbing trend that we can say we have seen. Briefly, Richard, what does the US want to happen, and does it stand a chance? Well, the US wants both sides to stop use of drone attacks. Well, That's difficult, just making that appeal and that call. But then I guess it has to put pressure on countries that have been accused of supplying drones to both sides. Richard Kegoy.

We heard earlier about US negotiators Steve Whitkoff and Jared Kushner being in Geneva for crucial talks with Iranian officials. But Ukraine is also on their radar. On Thursday, they'll be meeting a Ukrainian team about postwar reconstruction. Kyiv is hoping to attract hundreds of billions of dollars in funding over the next decade to rebuild the country. Paul Adams is in the Ukrainian capital. This is going to be very much an economic session. This is not a meeting of the full delegations, and we're not going to see meetings between the Russians and Ukrainians. They're going to be meeting separately with Steve Wykow and Jared Kushner, the US mediators, to discuss primarily Ukraine's economic future. Ukraine is looking to secure a package of support for For the next 10 years, it's thought to be something in the region of $800 billion to try and reconstitute this war ravaged economy and really put Ukraine back on its feet once a peace agreement is reached. There's an awful lot of elements to thrash out about that, and that will be, I think, the primary focus. There was some talk also that maybe they would be discussing the next round of prisoner swaps, and we might get word on that.

Separately, Actually, the Kremlin's economic envoy, Kiril Dmitriev, is also thought to be in Geneva today, and he is also going to be meeting the Americans because the Russians are also dangling the prospect of huge economic investments that the United States and Russia could engage in together after the war, with Kiril Dmitriyf talking about trillions of dollars worth of economic advantages and investments. I think a lot of economists regard that as a wildly inflated figure, but it is part of Russia's effort to keep the Americans focused on what Russia would like to see. Paul Adams in Kyiv. Why are some older people's minds as sharp as they were when they were young? Many of us find that our memory and cognition deteriorate as we reach old age. But some people, so-called super-agers, have brains that remain almost perfectly intact. A new study out of the US has found that at the age of 80, these people have about twice the number of new neurons as a typical person. In other words, they're continuing to grow new ones throughout their lives. Tara Spears-Jones is Professor of Neurodegeneration at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland. She wasn't involved in this piece of research, but she spoke to James Monendez about the findings.

This is a really interesting paper, and they focused on neurogenesis, which is the production of new neurons. When I trained as an undergraduate and a postgraduate student over 25 years ago, the dogma was, you don't make new neurons. But over the past decade or so, now we understand that in some parts of the brain, you do make new neurons. One of those parts is the hippocampus, which is what this study was examining. It's really important for learning and memory and spatial orientation. And what they found was that in people who were super-agers, that is, they had more of this neurogenesis than in other people who were older and much more than in people who had Alzheimer's disease. So one of the things they're proposing is that making these new neurons in this part of the brain might be boosting cognitive function in these people. And how were they able to test it then? Was it comparing the brains of older people who seem to have great cognitive ability with those who didn't or with younger people? How did it work? So what the authors did is they looked at postmortem brain samples from this relatively small group of people.

They isolated individual nuclei. That's the part of the cells that contains the DNA. And they looked at thousands and thousands of these individual nuclei from these dozen or so people. And it's from the patterns of the gene expression they can tell which cells were likely to be newborn neurons. This is a snapshot of dead brain, right? So they couldn't prove for certain that these were newborn neurons. But based on work in animals over the years, we know the pattern of expression of genes that happens in these newborn neurons. And so they were just then comparing that pattern of both gene expression and how available the genes were for reading across these different groups. So is it just luck then if we become a super-ager? Partly, it's luck in terms of the genes you inherit. So in the wider field, we We know that about a quarter of the variability in cognitive decline and cognitive ability in aging is due to your genes. But there is some modifiable factors. So not all of us can be super-agers if we got really unlucky with our genes, but all of us can boost our brain resilience a bit.

The most well substantiated evidence goes to exercise, which you won't be surprised. It's good for you. Exercise boosts your brain resilience. It boosts your vasculature. It reduces inflammation, and both of those things are known to impact brain aging. And it also directly boosts this adult hippocampal neurogenesis. So you make a chemical called brain-derived neurotrophic factor when you exercise, and that stimulates this neurogenesis in that part of the brain. Is it possible that if scientists can identify the genetic differences between superages and people who aren't, that that could then at some point, lead to genetic treatments for people who develop Alzheimer's or to prevent Alzheimer's? I mean, do you see where I'm going? Is that a possible path? Yeah, it's It's a long term path. But genetic treatments, I don't think we'd be going for gene therapy to make you a super age or at least not in the next coming decades. The brain is phenomenally complex. But as we get more and more little pieces of this picture, we will be able to, as scientists and clinicians work towards drugs that can boost brain health. Neurologist Professor Tara Spears-Jones. The more than 10,000 members of the Academy of Motion, Picture, Arts and Sciences will begin marking up their ballots on Thursday to choose next month's Oscar winners for Hollywood's biggest night of the year.

For the first time, Norway has secured a nomination for the Most Prestigious Award, Best Picture. The film, Sentimental Value, is set in Oslo. It has already won at Cannes, the British Academy Film Awards, the BAFTAs, and it swept the board at the European Film Awards. The Director of Sentimental Value, Joakim Tria, has collected many of them, and Tom Brook caught up with him in Berlin. Well, I don't know, man. I'm very happy that people care about films from Norway. It didn't used to be like that. Meet Joakim Trier, the Director of Sentimental Value. His profile has been boosted by the success of his modestly budgeted Norwegian family drama, which has picked up an impressive nine Oscar nominations and numerous other accolades. My father is a very difficult person. It's the story of a family in Oslo of the relationship between two sisters. At its center, it details the estrangement between one of the sisters, an actor played by Renata Reindzer, and her film director, Father, betrayed by Stelen Skarsgaard, who's trying to reclaim his former glory. Why didn't you want to do the role? I can't work with him. I guess I am interested in behavior more than I am in telling stories.

I'm interested in trying to get into the head of people. Joakim Trier told me of the genesis of sentimental value. What is What is different with this film as opposed to with the previous ones, I think, is that I made something which deals with very fundamental issues of communication, this communication in family between siblings, parents and children. Things that I imagine are more universal almost than anything I've done, because it's about two sister who grown up women who's trying to deal with their father, who has been quite a narcissistic, difficult character, quite avoidant, and they're trying to reconcile. So many people see this as an allegory of dealing with men in power or men that are of that generation that don't know how to have that more intimate type of communication. This film was made in a collaboration between Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, France, and the UK. Everyone came along to tell a story about a family grappling with lack of communication. That's my experience, and that was a good one. But what Hugo Kimtree is perhaps most excited about is how his film has traveled to audiences in distant lands to become Norway's most successful film globally in history.

I come from a country of 5. 5 million people, and it's not to be taken for granted that a film from Norway travels like this. So we're grateful for the- It's a very impressive achievement, isn't it? At the moment, everyone's really struggling in Norway as well because the arts funding hasn't really increased. We're having that fight, too. But anyway. Sentimental Value is the first Norwegian film ever nominated nominated for a Best Picture Academy Award. But quite apart from the Oscars, Joakim Trier has already given audiences a piece of well-crafted cinema with a very resonant, tenderly told human story that seems to touch people quite deeply. Tom Tombrooke reporting. And that's all from us for now. If you want to get in touch, you can email us at globalpodcast@bbc. Co. Uk. You can also find us on x@bbcworld. Ca. World Service, use the #globalnewspod. And don't forget our sister podcast, The Global Story, which goes in-depth and beyond the headlines on one big story, available wherever you get your podcasts. This edition of the Global News podcast was mixed by Russell Newlove, and the producers were Moussa Fashakir and Daniel Mann. The editor is Karen Martin.

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