Transcript of Stack Attack! + High Risk Picks - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/25

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Oh, welcome in. The Fantasy Footballers Tuesday, August 25th. Welcome in to another wonderful show. We have, we got a lot going on today. We have a bunch of news to catch you up on. We have performance climbers on the show today. We're going to get into the mailbag, some of your voicemail questions. We're going to talk through a trade today and what we think about it, what it means to the Houston Texans. Acquiring another wide receiver. And yeah, a lot going on. We're going to talk a little stack attack, talk through some underrated stacks in fantasy football. And as you heard at the top, the Megalobowl is open right now. So you can go sign up, play in a league with us and see if you can win amongst 20,000+ Foot Clan players. That's hosted on Sleeper and it is megalobowl.com. So that's going on. We just did our live stream yesterday, gave away a UDK for life. I put a little poll up on Twitter. Obviously people are in a lot of different leagues, but it looked like about 75% of people still had not drafted.

That's great. That's smart. That's wise.

Yeah. I mean, injuries are, they suck.

Is it worse this year?

No, it's actually been normal. It is normal. And I hate to say this out loud.

Hey. So far, I got bad news for you, Jason.

Jinxes aren't real.

Yeah.

What you say in this, into the microphone right now, we'll have no impact.

Oh really?

Yeah, really.

This year, the injuries have been absurdly lower than in recent history. And I'm so happy about that, that there will be so few injuries for this offseason.

Hmm.

Let's see.

You think you got a lot of power?

I'm going to find out this weekend. I hope I don't.

Settle down, Truman.

I am not joking. Mike Truman shows in my head.

Yeah.

So lots going on. Let's go ahead and jump right in.

Performance Climbers presented by GMC.

All right. We're looking at players whose average opposition has risen in recent years. The last week or two.

Keenan Allen.

That one's kind of like, duh. I mean, Keenan Allen's ADP somewhere in the 14th round range. And what do we think? I hate it. You hate it?

I hate it so, so much. I realized as I've—

You hate Keenan Allen?

I hate that Keenan Allen signed with the Colts. I love Keenan Allen. I really genuinely believe Keenan Allen is going to be there. Like number one wide receiver target right off the bat week one. And that's what I hate because I, I was pretty high on Josh Downs. And the more that I've really looked at who this affects the most, it's clearly Josh Downs. Like Tyler Warren's going to get his. When Alec Pierce comes back, he's going to be on the outside. We know he's going to be on the outside. Keenan, while being a slot player through his career, he has been more of an outside guy the last couple of years with the Bears. He went and played actually 60-40 outside to inside. He can do it. And so my whole thing is like, I wanted to see Josh Downs in two wide receiver sets and I don't think I'm going to. Yeah, they didn't want to.

They did. They saw it.

Yeah, maybe he wasn't good enough, but there's also—

it's a tough thing to ask a player to do that's been in the league for a long time that has that physical size to go and become, you know, reliable at a position you're not used to.

I don't think it is solely an indictment on Josh Downs. They don't have depth. Alec Pierce is not back yet. They need another wide receiver, period. And the relationship here between Steichen and Jim Bob Cooter and Keenan Allen, like this was—

is there a chance it's still Downs?

I think there is a chance, but Keenan's going to get his. I mean, he's—

after this year, if he gets 50 receptions, at least 50 receptions, he moves it.

He moves behind Jerry Rice and Larry Fitzgerald as number 3 all time. That's, that's crazy. So he'll get his for fantasy. Where do you draft him? What do you expect he's going to do? I think if I'm in a full PPR league, Keenan Allen is going to be a definite top 24 wide receiver for the first month.

Oh, I don't know, man. I think you, I think that there maybe, maybe that's the case. I don't look at Keenan Allen as a player I'm targeting in drafts personally.

Me either.

Because I don't target older PPR wide receivers in the super late rounds. I target young rookie upside, Concepcion, Lemon, you know, those Tyson, Tyson will be earlier, but just anybody in that later round, Jacoby Lane, who we're going to talk about in a second. I just want a shot at seeing if I can find gold like Keenan Allen at, like, I mean, to your point, if he's good, at the beginning, it will decrease with the return of Alec Pierce.

Which we did just from Stephen Holder. Colts wide receiver Alec Pierce is expected to return to practice this week if all goes to plan. Well, that's great.

Oh, it's funny because I saw something this morning that was an announcement that Alec Pierce won't practice today.

Well, today.

Both can be true.

Yeah.

It could still be this week.

That's good though. That's great for— I mean, they paid that guy a lot of cheddar. Mike, do you see Keenan on any of your teams?

Certain builds. I think there's definitely a point where, especially like Jay said, when you're in PPR and you're just getting those free points, but you know, we make the joke all the time of like, he could be a boat.

It's like, he can't be a boat.

He now might be a rowboat at this point, but which is like, it'll, You aren't going to sink.

Yeah, you're not plugging holes.

You're not drowning.

Yeah, but it's going to be a workout.

Keenan or Diggs.

It's going to be a workout.

I would take Stefon Diggs.

That's how I lean to with the opportunity with Jayden Daniels. Jacoby Lane, aforementioned Jacoby Lane, rookie wide receiver for the Baltimore Ravens. He has moved up about a round or two. He was a third round pick, 6'4", 200. I watched a lot of Jacoby Lane film over the last month and a half.

Why is that?

He's on my dynasty team. Don't, don't act, don't act like your Kyle Williams excitement isn't fueled by your dynasty rostering of Kyle Williams.

Sir, I would never.

Yeah, I know how this works. But yeah, you pay a little extra close attention to players.

Yeah, you do. Of course.

Especially on a team like mine where I'm like, do I have any players? But it's to me, it's just been really exciting to watch him work. He, his highlights His collegiate highlights are awesome. Jacoby Lane, you know, so far been making plays. He's one of the few guys like Pat Bryant that has made headlines in camp. And you have a situation now with, look, Zay Flowers got paid. Mark Andrews is older. Rashad Bateman not only has never really materialized into anything of value for fantasy, but now he's dealing with a domestic violence From the summer. Yeah. Like, yep.

And so Baltimore beat reporters, what are you doing?

Whether he's out, this was out there.

Well, okay.

I think the most recent, I mean, I thought the news broke like a week ago.

Yeah. If it were out, if it was out, look, I'm pretty much the lawnmower man here. I live on the internet and I didn't see it. So they were not really getting the word out.

Yeah, I mean, the—

I literally had a claim in because it was like the day before that started going like public, there was a report. It's like, hey, the Houston Texans are looking at trading for Kayshawn Booty or Rashad Bateman.

Right.

I had a waiver claim in, in our dynasty league for Rashad Bateman.

And then you canceled it.

And then it's like, oh, this is all the sun coming out. It's like, yeah, the news that I'm reading was out there and we all missed it.

But following reports on Friday, —of Ravens receiver Rashad Bateman's June arrest. The NFL started launching an investigation 3 days ago. So the club has been in contact with the league regarding the matter, which is under review in the personal conduct policy. He could be suspended unpaid 6 games. That may need to have the legal process complete for the NFL to do that.

Yeah, he won't start suspended, but I'm curious, does it— I think Jacoby Lane onto the field sooner rather than later because he's a third rounder. We know historically the trends are guys who are, you know, going that late. They're just, they don't play very many snaps at the beginning of the year. It's towards the second half. But if you are bracing that Rashad Bateman isn't the future, he's going to, he will have his own problems in the future. Maybe we get Jacoby on the field sooner.

Great quotes from the team. Jameson Hensley came out on August 8th and said, in 27 years covering the Ravens, I've never seen a rookie have a training camp like Jacoby Lane's. Every day Lane produces a highlight-making catch, and today he has Derrick Henry leaping in the air in celebration. Declan Doyle, their offensive coordinator, we thought, what we thought about him, it just continues to show up. The guy I was around that has hands like his that he reminds me of is Michael Thomas.

He's definitely got amazing hands. Let me ask this one. Oh, the hype train is going. We haven't really seen any wide receiver 2 in, you know, with Lamar Jackson be very relevant. And obviously day 3 picks are—

well, we've seen a wide receiver and a tight end be relevant. So is it like—

is there a pass catchers? Yeah, for sure. And this is a new offense as well. But with the data that we have of like day 2 and day 3 wide receivers starting slow, After this trade for Keyshawn Booty, a veteran who's going to almost certainly be the wide receiver 2 on the field, would you rather draft Booty or would you rather draft—

Oh, that's a good question. Jacoby Lane.

I don't think— I mean, I saw some stuff this morning about Booty. The team might not even see him as a starter. And so I would take the shot on the younger Jacoby Lane establishing himself in a new offense with a new head coach and offensive coordinator and system that We don't really know what they're going to unveil, but we know that we trust Lamar Jackson more than we trust CJ Stroud to make something out of Booty. I mean, Xavier Hutchinson could very well be the starter from day one in Houston. Booty, it doesn't, you know, he's a last year of his deal, right? Like, so do they use him?

I don't know. It's also a pretty late transition to get things into gear for Houston. It's a good point.

Yeah. The last name in Performance climbers, Mike Washington Jr. What a week it was for Mike Washington Jr. and all the hype there.

I wish we had like real-time data of just like his draft spot.

Yeah. Here's what we'll start with with Mike Washington. This is a rookie running back for Las Vegas. Mike, you, I think, really liked what you saw on film from him.

No, he was more of the opposite of the— his metrics and stuff. Didn't fully match what he should be doing. Like he's 6'1", 220, and he is like, he's the 1% of the 1% when it comes to athleticism. So you expected more out of, at least I expected more out of him. And we, you know, in the process it was, oh boy, this guy just ran a 4.33. Like he's going to get real steamed up in the draft and he didn't. So I think that that was the part that we, that I liked of, okay, he's going to a spot where he doesn't have to be the guy right away because I don't think he's ready to, to be a, like a full-time pro starter.

It was funny when, when, when Gente seemed like he went down, Underdog put out like how low Gente went in some drafts and how high Mike Washington went in some drafts. And I believe Mike Washington was drafted at like 37 overall. Holy. Which, yeah, what? Yeah. And it's, it's, um, what I want to— it's the combination of the exciting long speed play in the preseason with, oh, you're the only guy and starter somehow. But, but this is like, this is a very bad situation, a team that you don't expect to score a lot. And, you know, a day 3 running back without production, his profile isn't really good. Like AJ Dillon. It reminds me of that a lot where it's like AJ Dillon had a combine like Derrick Henry. Yeah, he's not Derrick Henry or he would have been in college. Mike Washington has a combine like the best of them, but his, his, you know, his—

well, let's do the exercise then. Okay, let's pretend Gente did have a season-ending injury. Where does he actually belong in terms of starters? And I think you start to have that conversation. You have it right around the Bashaw-Tuten area because if you knew Mike Washington was going to be a starter, you know, Tuten, Price, Warren, Stevenson, these are committee situations. I think Washington would be a committee as well. But I think what you're saying is right. But then it was compounded by the long runs and success in the preseason, the explosiveness, those physical gifts on display. I mean, I'm sure you're taking them over Chuba. I'm sure you'd probably take them as a starter Would you take him over Ramondre or Warren? I mean, probably. I don't think so.

I think I would rather have the better offense. Maybe Warren. Ramondre is on a good offense and Warren is a— I think I would take Warren ahead as well.

Do you think Mike Washington deserves to be drafted? Yes. You do?

Yeah. Because we—

Right now. High level, you know, insurance.

Well, at the very least right now, I mean, week 1. Gente is rumored to not— we don't know that he's going to be back for week 1. The last I saw is it's potential he misses week 1.

So this is where the last was like, we're hearing it's a low ankle sprain as compared to high, which that's— but that's the thing is we're hearing. Why don't— why can't we get an official? Because they don't have to really report that stuff. And Mike Washington deserves to be drafted. The preseason has been solid. There's a chance that Gente misses time. And based off of what this is, I'm not saying Gente won't be like the man for the Raiders, but it's like based off of what Kubiak just did in Seattle, Mike Washington might be in the plans to be someone who's getting like 35 to 40% of the, of some rushing attempts here.

If you build zero RB, this is such a—

that's exactly what you want to do.

Tyler Allgeier and Mike Washington, those like guys who— yeah, exactly. Like they might be great starters if Those are your—

and if it is a high ankle sprain, like he'll be out multiple weeks and then he— Gente won't be ready to go on that first, like the first couple of weeks.

That was Performance Climbers brought to you by GMC. We are professional grade. We're going to take a break real quick and then we're going to come back and do some news, get into the mailbag.

News and notes from around the league.

The Texans traded for former Patriots wide receiver Keyshawn Booty. They've been trying to get that booty out of town. It— what do you guys make of that?

Them trading him? No, no, just that all of the news the offseason was like Keyshawn Booty's, you know, he wants a trade. He— and then it sounded very much like, oh, well, the team is— they're quite open to trading him away. I mean, he was not like a dominant part of of their offense last year, but I think he showed that he belongs on a football field. He would have easily been there. He was a great deep threat. He would have been a starting wide receiver.

I feel like it was the final year of the contract situation that is hanging over it. They have a lot of other weapons. What's wild to me— But why not ride it out?

I think this was for Booty. I think this was— I think they are doing Booty a solid because when they— when they— they're going to ride it out. Not our fault. Yeah. Kayshawn. When Kayshawn requested a trade, it was like, you signed Romeo Dobbs. Well, he was set for sure. Yeah, you signed Romeo Dobbs and then you sign, you get traded for AJ Brown. You're like, oh, I don't have the opportunity to thrive.

He doesn't want to be there.

He wants a place where he can, and then with the injury for the Texans, it's like, okay, he's at least got the opportunity. Maybe Hutchinson starts the season. As the second wide receiver. I think Booty is a better wide receiver. And so in Booty's mind, he's got the—

how many times can you say Booty in one minute?

In, in Kayshawn Booty's mind, I think he's excited about the opportunity to thrive in a situation where, you know, he doesn't have to overtake two other people ahead of him.

Here's something that's not been said, and it'll open up opportunities for Kyle Williams and, and, and Damario Douglas and some of other pass catchers. What's wild to me is that we're sitting here. This is a team that went to the Super Bowl and the Patriots, all their, you know, schedule notwithstanding, amazing season, MVP candidate in Drake May. And two of his primary targets last year that were significant contributors to this team were Kayshawn Booty and Stefon Diggs that are gone. The pass catchers are great names with Dobbs and AJ Brown, but we actually haven't seen them together, right? So like, it's just a little bit unique to me to have a top 5 offense passing-wise, reset all of your pass catchers, and then expect it to just work perfectly from day one. I thought somebody shared a tweet and I put it in the chat somewhere. Maybe you guys can find it. It was basically something I would love to actually see for all the teams. And when, you know, when people speculate about preseason numbers, I tell you, I hate completion percentage. I hate— they should be trying new stuff. They should be failing in preseason.

I hate it when they go through and they're like, you mean in camp? In camp. Yeah. But the numbers of like, it was a list of the receptions by pass catchers from New England caught from Drake Maye caught by from Drake Maye in the entire training camp. And I was like, AJ Brown was number one. Dobbs was number two. Ramondre was number three. Hunter Henry was number four.

Like, Boone was way up on that list. He was, he was.

Not as high, but yeah, it was AJ Brown, Romeo Dobbs, Ramondre Stevenson, Damario Douglas, Hunter Henry, then Kayshawn Booty. Don't worry, Travion's there just below Eli Raradon. Ramondre. I would love to see that from every team to get a little bit of an idea of where these guys are going regularly in camp. Like, you want to ask me who the pass catchers to roster are. I mean, it's Brown and Dobbs and Dobbs is not getting nearly enough talk on a team that was a top tier passing percentage offense. We're sitting there, AJ Brown, like Dobbs is sitting right there. I agree.

I think the news on Dobbs has just been kind of weird of there's been a couple days where it was like, oh, hey, it's Romeo Dobbs day, but it kind of few and far between and then AJ Brown gets there and You know, there was talk at the beginning of they're not fully connecting, but the stuff I've been reading lately is very, very positive for AJ Brown. It's for Dobbs. It's like, how do they, how do they actually put these wide receivers, you know, on the field? Is it the just standard? Okay, we got Brown and Dobbs are going to be on the outside and then Douglas will just be the slot player or are they going to move Romeo Dobbs where he'll get to play do he'll play some big slot.

I think they've been— I believe they've been moving him around to be a little bit of the big slot, which you see in the second, you know, target pecking order from camp. That role is very valuable historically from the Patriots. So I'm open to Dobbs. Like, that's another name where it's like Dobbs on the Kobe Lane.

I would rather have Dobbs. On the, on the Booty to Houston side, I have so, I have no interest in any way, shape, and form for Kayshawn Booty in Houston from a fantasy perspective. He was on one of the best passing offenses in football last year, played a ton of snaps for them. And still, you know, he had his splash games, but consistency-wise, it was, it was trouble.

He's touchdown or bust.

Yeah, to me, it's just, that's a tough thing to ask of CJ Stroud and a defense and a running game offense. I don't know. I just, I don't care.

I think Booty will be, if anything, he's just, he'll be on the waiver show when Hutchinson inevitably is overtaken.

Breece Hall on track to play week 1. He was dealing with the groin. Must have butterfly stretched. By the way, we did an embarrassing butterfly stretch analysis of all staff members yesterday. Some of you, Papa Josh, impressive. Papa Josh must have tore those groins as a young man. Doesn't have them anymore. No restrictions. Knees to the ground. But on the other hand, Al Borland has work to do. I do. Not a butterfly that could really get off the ground, I don't think. You know what I mean?

That was a caterpillar stretch. Try flapping those wings.

Yeah, you could. Got a lot of crisscross applesauce going on, eh? Oh yeah. No, I love chairs. The news about Ashen Davis. Ankle sprain more low than high. That's hopefully more low than high.

That's such a weird phrase.

The high versus low is like different ligaments. I don't— it's not literally like a percentage of direction. I don't get it.

Trayvon Henderson has been diagnosed with a low right ankle injury and will undergo further precautionary tests. Malik Nabers was wearing a non— wasn't wearing a non-contact jersey on Monday's practice. Reasonable to assume he will be ready for week 1 according to John Harbaugh. That's big news. Ja'Cory Kriesky-Mayer injured his groin.

Yeah. Thank you.

Sorry. That was honestly embarrassing at this time. Well, I was— cannot be ready.

I was reading that we have in Monday's practice, but I think I had read something that had actually happened last Thursday.

Rashad White returned to individual drills. So there's a little flippy floppy of availability for the running back room. Trey Benson set free by the Cardinals, released. What a great third round pick he was. He— I saw one play yesterday. He had one play with Arizona that accounted for 11.5% of his total yards on the team ever. That's how utilized he was in Arizona.

Dude could not stay healthy. Well, I mean, year one he was buried behind James Conner, who at that point was still playing very good football. And then he couldn't stay healthy. This was— if you're a Benson believer like I am, this was the only way forward. It's, I mean, we're probably, it's probably over. But if he stayed on the Cardinals, there was no path at all.

Mike LaFleur said Monday, Jeremiah Love is progressing in his recovery from a high ankle sprain and will remain sidelined this week.

Is that, now I know the rumors were the high ankle. Had, does that like an actual confirmation of it?

I don't know. Okay.

I saw reported as high ankle, but I did too. But I thought it was, they were like, We're not sure because they're not saying anything. I'm assuming there's also degrees. Well, it's more high than low.

Yeah. I just mean like there's got to be a worse or better.

Yes, there are grades. High ankle sprain grade-wise.

We had a mild setback for Keaton Mitchell who had missed practice on Sunday and Monday. I mean, he was flashing in the preseason. They want to utilize him, but if he can't stay healthy, which has been a problem for Keaton Mitchell. True. I mean, he missed an entire year in Baltimore and had other injuries. That's something to pay attention to. You would love Omarion Hampton to get some pass-catching third down work that would be going to Keaton Mitchell to concentrate it a little bit. That's the biggest concern. Brian Thomas Jr. is quote, all right after falling on his shoulder. There was some news reports this morning that all right, all right, all right, all right, that he was down and people were worried. And then This is exciting.

This is terrible news for Michael Penix.

Kevin Stefanski said Michael Penix and Tua Tagovailoa will split first team reps on Monday. I saw the stats. Penix, you got to have a setback, brother.

Penix was 4 for 8.

So you can start. Yeah.

And Tua was 0 for 3. Yeah. Yeah. So that, man, that is, oh boy. What they wouldn't do for Shadur Sanders. Am I right? And then Allen Robinson. The target monster. The last time you'll ever hear us say that officially retiring. He was a My Guy for Mike in 2015. Oh yes, he was. With Jacksonville. That is—

That was a good one. He led the league in touchdowns.

Yeah, that was a great year. That was a Pro Bowl year for Allen Robinson. Allen Robinson, great player.

Thank you for the—

Didn't have the career I think we might have hoped from that point forward.

No, no, he didn't. But the target monster was awesome. It got me, I believe, league record championship that year. You have.

Yes. He had that play down the sideline. Oh yes. Where Saints. I think you said you.

I was in my boxers high kicking in the living room.

Yeah. Yes sir. I remember.

Title is mine. I guess you remember it too, huh? Let's do some mailbag.

Mailbag. Mailbag. Yeah.

If you have a question for the show, go to the website. Thefantasyfootballers.com. Click the submit a question button or dial our voicemail hotline. We have a couple of voicemails today, 302464-TFFB. We'll start with one of those. Hey, ballers.

Just wanted a quick question on a keeper that I have in an upcoming league. Should I keep Cam Skadaboo with my 9th round pick or should I keep Quinshon Judkins with my 16th round pick? Thanks. Love the show.

Man, that's such a good question. Cam Skadaboo for a 9th. Quinshon Judkins for a 16th.

I think you've got to start with just who do you like more because the 9th round is where, you know, that's where I'll start taking quarterbacks. I'll start taking my, my late tight ends because the running backs and wide receivers there are, you know, they're not exactly the guys that are high odds to be good. So if you, if you're like definitely on the Skadaboo side, I don't think the value from 9 to 16 is worth switching, but the question is which side are you on right now with the recent kind of vibes that it's not going to be the Skadaboo show. They bring in Najee. They, you know, the way that they've been talking, it just doesn't seem like he's going to be a 3-down back. Although Tyrone Tracy feels like he has really zero down back.

Oh man.

I mean, his, what happened his preseason?

I'll take Cam here.

Oh, and you're Mr.

Judkins. Yeah.

I'll take Cam here because you know what? You can talk a big game about not giving the ball to Cam Skadaboo a lot. But when your alternative is to hand it to Devin Singletary, Tyron Tracy, or the often Achilles Najee Harris, who by the way, this is not Najee from 5 years ago that was, you know, more of— Even 5 years ago wasn't great. Exactly. That's my point is like we hear the name Najee and we're like, oh my gosh, what a threat. Like last year, this was the— Najee was the threat to Hampton, right? And so I think when push comes to shove and this team needs to get going 3, 4 weeks into the season, I'd be shocked if Scatabou doesn't have the workload.

I hope you are correct. I don't have a ton of faith in the coaching staff up in New York to make real good decisions with their, their offense.

But of these, you want to know a little bonus to picking Cam here? Please. You don't have to watch Watson.

Yeah, that's a look. I'm— it's Camp Scouting.

I want to watch the Giants. I think the Giants are going to be a good team this year. I don't know that we're going to necessarily love how Nagy implements everything, but I think their defense is underrated. And I believe that, you know, we haven't seen them with this many good offensive weapons in a while. Dart, if he's the real thing, you know, didn't get Neighbors, has Neighbors, didn't have Cam, has Scadaboo there.

I really wish they still had Wandale. I feel like that's the missing piece of that team is I wish they had Wandale, Neighbors, likely Cam. I hope that like Malachi Fields and some of these other guys can step up. That's just the one thing that sticks out. But yeah, I hope you're right. It'd be fun, right? Yeah.

Are you taking Cam or Judkins?

I'm going to take Scadaboo. I, I, believe that he's just so talented. And I, Judkins, I worry won't have the pass catching role, whereas Scadaboo is such a good pass catcher.

Hey ballers, this is Dan in South Bend. I want to see if you guys think I'm overreacting. I'm thinking about trading Judkins for Ramondre Stevenson, but Stevenson being on what I feel is going to be a much better offense than Cleveland. What do you guys think about that? I appreciate it. Love the show.

So this is a trade Quinshon Judkins for Ramondre. So I would, at first I would say, I don't think you're overreacting to believe the Patriots offense will be better than the Cleveland Browns. I'll start with that one. I don't think that's his overreaction.

It's just, are you going as far as saying I would rather, I mean, basically, would you draft Ramondre ahead of Judkins?

Here's one thing I will mention to you when you think about this. On a points per game basis, Stevenson was better than Judkins last year.

Yeah.

11.6 to 11.2 fantasy points per game. It's Ramondre. I don't think there's anything wrong with taking Ramondre. He just— Oh, there's plenty wrong.

I have the back-to-back in my rankings right now. Who do you have higher? I've got Quinshon Judkins a spot higher than Ramondre right now. Yeah.

I mean, I think it's— I think that's a— like Jason said, pick the guy you like the most there. I don't think that's a problem. If you have more conviction around goal line opportunities for Amon-Ra, because Watson hasn't sniffed the goal line in 5 years.

We talk about, you know, when you're in a tier, that's when you use tiebreakers. And if you want to use the team, the environment as the tiebreaker, great.

Do it. We did get a fun little update from Jordan Renan over there in New York. The unofficial Giants depth chart for the finale just got released. Cam Scott will be the starter. But listen to this. Here's the backup. The backup is the RB2 is Tyrone Tracy or Najee Harris or Devin Singletary.

That's the listed brother. Perfect. Have some backbone. 3 players. Who knows who the backup is? The backups don't.

You can't tell Tracy he's the backup.

No. Can his preseason has been first letting Jackson Dart die on the field. Because it's entirely your fault and then fumbling in the red zone the next week. Not, not a good look. No, it's not.

Not great. There you go. All right. Our next question comes in from Preston in Utah. If you draft Josh Allen, is it worth targeting DJ Moore later in the draft to get that stack?

Yeah, I think so. I'm a big fan of—

Oh, you're in now.

I'm not necessarily in, in the sense that like I'm not personally taking a lot of DJ Moore. I see I'm not completely opposed like I was earlier. He's looked really good in camp. You know, it seemed like at his age he had lost it with the Bears. Changing teams to a team that can do it without him. We, you know, they've done it the last couple of years. It seemed very uphill sledding to have DJ Moore work out. However, this offseason, DJ Moore's looked really good. And I mean, I know we've gotten duped in the past from Allen Robinson looking great in camp and then he doesn't have it. So I'm fine letting DJ Moore go. But if I were to have already drafted Josh Allen, that's the, that's the place where I take DJ Moore personally.

Would you go, would you rather do that or would you just wait and have like a Dalton Kincaid Josh Allen stack? I mean, I love it.

Those are both things in the back of my mind. I think I prefer that one. Josh Allen manager in our upcoming draft is just like to split the difference on a, like with Kincaid or Goddard or all those later round tight ends is like, that'd be awesome to have the stack. It'd be awesome to take a shot on DJ Moore if he's around late. I feel like he's going to get ignored in a lot of drafts. I mean, that could be an underrated stack for sure.

You're in the late 5th or in the early 6th. I'm trying to pull up. ADP real quick because it's what is your opportunity cost to buy that stack? You're talking, you're passing on probably not a lot. J-Mo Williams. Wait, what? Luther Burden, Bashaw Tuten, Jadarian Price. Oh, I might not have DJ Moore.

Yeah, that's your name to roll out any of that stuff.

Like if you take fifth round, it's late fifth, early sixth round. They're talking this is sleeper ADP.

Yeah, DJ Moore needs to be back of the 6th.

Yes. Yes. So more like you're, you're open to it, but you're not, maybe not force it. I'm definitely not forcing that.

And to answer your other question, I would rather do the Dalton Kincaid because I, I believe in Dalton Kincaid at the position.

All right. That's a name. Instagram question from Big Neck Officer. Big Neck Officer.

Is this Davis Mills? Maybe.

Well, that's tall neck. That's— you don't call it a big neck? That's a good question. I think of big necks is more like, you know, wide, girthy.

Brock Lesnar doesn't really have a neck.

Brock Lesnar is more of the wide. Traps. Who's the Eagles security guy?

Oh, I can't think of his name. I know what you're talking about. Big Dom. Yeah, Big Dom.

But the question is how many games—

or as Matt would say, Big Dim. You idiot. Yeah. And you tried to delete it before I saw it.

What, he typed that? Yeah. It's just a typo. I'm sorry.

It's just a typo. He types like he thinks.

You understand a typo like big, big Dom to big Dim is a, it's a pretty big deal.

Is your hair all wet?

No. What are you doing? Why are you, are you practicing dance moves? Why are you so sweaty?

Oh man. Matthew. This is great.

What are you doing back there?

YouTube.com slash the fantasy footballers. He's having a run. He's trying to lean so hard to get out of frame.

Is it because of the sweat? No, it's a new look.

It's a new thing that my stylist gave me. Oh, now I feel bad. No, it looks great. It's supposed to dry eventually, but it hasn't in an hour or two.

They were like, put this oil in? Yeah. All right.

From this angle, it's more of a hairnet. But anyways, how many games into the NFL season do you think a team has shown you who they really are?

Oh, that's a great question.

We may have to compensate for some of what we do to the doosers with a dooser of the day award or something.

I think we're going to need that.

Give it to Matt. That's fine.

I'd like to talk about it. You are the dooser of the day. The first ever dooser of the day.

Congratulations. We'll be back to talk about you some more.

Yeah. Now that you're the dooser of the day, you can take it. Just nominates you for the whole show to get ripped. Yes. Oh, congratulations. Congratulations on such an honor.

How many games into the NFL season does it take for a team to show you who they really are?

Gosh, I will. I'm going to say I got my number.

I'm going to—

you want to write it down?

Yeah.

Well, let me— you write your number down, but I'm going to give one thought, which is the Colts last year. But I guess that was injury. That was injury. All right. I've got my—

I got my number. Like trends and just like momentum and stuff. I think that can ebb and flow, but to know who that team is.

All right. My number is— oh, Mike wrote 10.

I went 10. Oh, I went 6.

I went 4. Okay. I think after the first month, not that teams can't change and get better. Like I remember—

that's why I need more.

Like I've seen— I think 4 is too few for me.

Remember when the Denver Broncos were like 6-0 or 7-0 and then they didn't make the playoffs? Yeah.

Like that was the Daniel year. But those are outliers. I was just going to bring up when the Chiefs were 0-5 and made the playoffs. That was like they really changed course. Yeah. And so I need 10 by the end of the year. They are something different than they were at the beginning of the year.

Let's put it to the test. Okay. 4 weeks into last year. Do you want to look at where we were?

Oh, that's neat.

We have that information.

It exists a little bit. Oh man. Bills were 4-0. Oh man.

Yeah. I don't think you're going to get good information. I wouldn't do it.

I don't think it's the right data.

Kyle says 17. We do know through 17 games.

Yeah. I should be able to get this data. We'll figure it out. Kyle's on it. Kyle's on it. Yeah. He's, he's, yeah, I'm busy hosting the show. I can't get good data. But yeah, for me, it's like 6, but I was leaning more towards the high side, maybe 8.

I think after 6 is like you can, you're starting to figure it out.

The schedules can be just really complimentary or tough. Like the Broncos, are they going to— are we going to know who the Broncos are through 4 weeks?

Yeah, the Broncos, the Jaguars, the Patriots, they get off to really tough starts. But I also think you have to, for fantasy purposes, you've got to kind of make an early judgment. You don't want to do too early. None of us wrote down like, hey, you just need to see them play twice. My point was I don't think you can do it before 4. Like, oh, totally. But after 4, you've got to start making those judgment calls of who's a great defense, who's you know, the offense. It's tough because if you wait 10, you know, you've got a couple— it's not a lot of information. Yeah, you got a couple weeks left before fantasy playoffs.

I was looking at the question more of like, who do I like the team? Do I actually believe that this team is going to make noise?

Fair.

We'll take a break. We got some more questions. All right, Brett writing in, is there such a thing as over-mock drafting? I've done hundreds since May. Please don't judge me.

No judgment, judgment-free zone here. I don't think so. Unless you're annoying yourself. I think the danger could be that mock drafts are a tremendous tool to kind of get you ready for things. But you know that in your live draft, you're going to have at least two wild cards where a— and You know, when like a pick here or there in the second or third round really changes the trajectory. So if you're like, I've done this 100 times, I'm locked in. I know that this is the range. Weird stuff happens.

Here's, uh, I do have the standings after 4 weeks. Okay. All right. Last year, Buffalo was 4-0. New England was 2-2. Okay. I'm just going to read like the top 2 of every division. Sure. Pittsburgh 3-1. Cincinnati 2-2. Baltimore was 1-3. That was— that changed. Indianapolis 3-1, Jacksonville 3-1, Chargers 3-1, Denver 2-2, Philly 4-0, Washington 2-2. So I mean, take some time. Yeah. Detroit 3-1, Green Bay 2-1, Tampa 3-1, Atlanta 2-2, San Fran 3-1, Seattle 3-1, Rams 3-1, Cardinals 2-2. Wow. Cardinals never won another game. I think the rest of the year, that was crazy. Stack Attack question from Gunderson. What's an underrated stack to watch for when drafting? We just talked about stack attack. I mean, I think DJ Moore with Josh Allen is an underrated stack. Tyler Shook is free stack. If you get a LaVey and you want to wait on a quarterback, why not take that shot?

I'm for it. The man, the Jordan Tyson injury is such a bummer for Tyler Shook at the end of the year.

Although it's a clearer stack now.

Oh, of course. I'm just saying that Tyler Shock being free was— oh man, it was going to feed families.

Yeah, you were, you were very in on him for fantasy this year. I don't think it's going to happen in the second half at all. I think it can happen in the first half too. I do believe that what we saw last year, you know, he didn't have his pace, his starter pace of 4,200 yards.

Yeah, exactly.

And that he didn't have Jordan Tyson then. One touchdown. And coming into year 2, I like that stack. I did a tweet of my favorite stacks, including like the ADP value in order and in little tiers, I accidentally left Shuck and Olave off. And that was, that was my mistake. My, the one that I'm going for that I like the value of right now, if I can get, I like Nabors in the third and Dart in the ninth, man, it is playing with fire because both of those guys, you know, Malik Nabors coming off the ACL. Does he start slow? Is it a problem? Jackson Dart, I mean, Andy's bust pick, like you could see how that doesn't work out, Matt Nagy. But at the same time, I feel like both guys are in a range where they represent value where if Malik Nabers is healthy and has his best season, he is, he does not belong anywhere near there. Jackson Dart has his good version of us. He doesn't belong anywhere near there. Like these are both guys that could. Seriously outproduce their ADP.

Where do you— so, you know, we bring up the, hey, draft as late as you possibly can. There are a few players where it does help the drafter early if you had the courage to do it because it's like Malik in the third. I think when like this, the huge drafts are coming this weekend and some even next weekend, he's not going in the third.

He'll be in the second.

People will go early second round on Malik Nabers. So that's an ADP Like if you're looking at that, you know, I think rubbing your hands thinking you're going to get Malik Nabers in the third, I think that is incorrect.

I think, well, let's, let's just look here because right now you've got, I doubt he goes above the AJ Brown, Drake London tier. Would he, could he sneak above?

I bet, I bet there's leagues he goes above Drake London.

Nico Collins, George Pickens.

So, so if that's the case, if he's in that area, people are going to be willing to do that.

It's basically the 2-3 turn. Yeah, you're at the back of the 2 more than likely. And yeah, I agree. That's where he'll go in every league. Yeah, just someone will reach.

Just want people to be aware. Don't be sitting looking at that ADP thinking he'll come back around. The rest of your league is salivating looking at that ADP trying to get a steal. I'll bring up Bo Nix and Jalen Waddle. You know, the case was made just earlier for Bo Nix being a true value. In the draft were—

Bonix was very close to being a my guy for me if it wasn't for the first 6-week schedule. Right. So I— dude, we all can see that. Like, how can it be worse than where he's being drafted?

Yes. He's going in the late 10th, which is like— this is an afterthought. And then I'll stack in with Jalen Waddle, who remains one of my favorite picks in the— in fantasy right now.

One thing we were talking about before the show is that there are certain players that are They have like some players are like kind of guaranteed to produce on some level. Some players are full like maybe that wildcard category where they could be like I was saying, Travion, like Travion could be 3 things. He could be worthless for your team. Yep. He could be a flex-worthy player and he could win your league if he got the opportunity. I look at Dart through that lens. Do you agree with that?

I definitely agree with that. Dart could fall on his face and be worthless and he could be a league winner.

So I have a couple other names. See if you guys agree on them having 3 possible outcomes. All the way. I love this. The extreme bust all the way up to extreme league winner. Bucky Irving. Do you think that that's the case? I don't. I don't.

I don't see league winning.

I don't either. I think it's established that the pass catching role is Gainwell's now. What about Ja'Darian Price?

Yes. Yeah. So all 3 ranges.

Yeah. If the coaches decide that he is the guy, which come on. If dude, I, a thing that will bring me such joy and I get it. I'm sorry. It will be it. It'll be fantasy misery for people. If George Halani is keeping Jadarion Price off the field because this is just what Seattle does and living my life of Charbonnet keeping Ken Walker off the field, it will bring me some some sick sense of morbid pleasure. Yeah.

I'll feel pretty okay about it in fantasy like that, that you're just like, I don't want to see you fail, but right.

I would rather Price just take the job.

Price could be all three.

Yeah. Agreed.

RJ Harvey.

I don't think he can be the league winner because I think if slash when JK Dobbins misses some games, I think it goes to Coleman. Like Coleman is now to the point of the drumbeat and the hype. Like he's making me more nervous about the J.K. Dobbins pick. Right. I don't give two farts about RJ Harvey. He's not taking, he's not overtaking Dobbins and getting a whole bunch of work. If Coleman is as good as we thought he was going to be and then the coaches believe he is the guy. That is a transition that could happen.

Yeah, I think that RJ Harvey has a higher ceiling than we have been giving him credit for, but I agree it's not a league winner.

Like if Harvey's catching 40 passes, what did he catch last year?

Probably, probably near there.

Yeah, probably in the 40s. Let's see.

So because he finished at RB21. Yeah, he caught 47. Oh yeah, 5 receiving touchdowns. So I guess he would have to be more up in like the high 50s or 60s.

3 more names that I'm at. I wonder if you see them in all 3 categories as potential bust, potentially just good, and potentially league winner. Parker Washington. Definitely.

I don't think he can bust.

I do. I do. Okay. I don't. Okay. I think that he is solid to great. Did you guys see the new uniform reveal graphic? I love theirs. Oh, the Jaguars?

It's the rival uniforms from the team.

It's not about the uniforms.

Oh, is it Parker in the center?

Parker is dead center. And it's not like in a line. It's a V where Parker's in the front and everyone is flying. The flying V and everyone is behind Parker. He's sitting there front and center like those are always. It's not even Trev.

No, no. Horse boy. It's the horse boy. Too tall. They had to put the tall people in the back.

Short in the front. It makes sense. But I do. I do think Parker Washington could bust simply because of how many mouths there are to feed. But I also, he's interesting though. He scares me as a, on the league winning side. Two more. I love these.

One quarterback, one tight end. You ready?

One quarterback, one tight end.

Kyler Murray.

Oh man. Oh man.

Yes. I will put my face back in the woodshedder for Kevin O'Connell. Disgusting. Yeah. The only, JJ McCarthy is the only quarterback who, well, Brosmer, but Brosmer didn't just belong to be on the NFL field. It's like you got value out of the, the, the shell that is Carson Wentz and that you let him be destroyed and he was still giving you production.

We talked a lot on this episode about stacks and, you know, we've been a little bit worried about Justin Jefferson, at least yellow flags for where he's going in the first round. It's like, and I'm still there and I'm still there too. But I was thinking about this. If Justin Jefferson works, like let's say Justin Jefferson's awesome, meaning he's a top 3 wide receiver where he has been most of his career. Yep. The Jefferson-Kyler stack is going to be the best one in football. So that's, you know, if you grab Justin Jefferson in the first, even if you have another quarterback, maybe like use your last pick because Kyler's, I mean, borderline undrafted right now in single quarterback leagues. I think he could go. High but doubtful.

Dalton Kincaid.

Yeah, I, I do think so. I think that there is a world where he jumps to the elite if he gets the opportunities. He's obviously been great on a per route run and then there is definitely, I mean, we've seen it year after year where absolutely worthless.

Yeah, those picks are interesting. You really don't want a bunch of those on your team, I think. I think it's good to have one, maybe two players that you spin the draft pick and you're like, they might not start for me. Yeah, I think it could also be tremendous. I think it's a matter of where the cost is.

Yeah. You know, if you're talking about double-digit round cost on guys like, you know, if Dalton Kincaid makes it to the 10th and Kyler is free, I'll take shots on them like crazy.

All right. Do you guys know what tomorrow is?

Oh my lord. It's Wednesday. It is Wednesday.

Middle of the week.

Big day. What day is it? Hump day.

Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. You think Mike doesn't know when hump day is?

It is my guy's day. Fantastic. You can see how excited Al Borland is there with the huge my guy's yawn.

You can see how sweaty the Falcon is. Oh, he's excited. Deucer of the day. So sweaty about it. Oh, how's your hand? How squishy was that? It was like slapping water.

I almost wore a hat. It's in my car right now. Papa Josh got a new nickname on the livestream yesterday too. So everyone, good work back there. Producers are well paid. Right guys? Right guys? Right guys? Right?

We have a cool job.

Oh, classic casket face. All right. The My Guy Show.

Oh man, I forgot about it. The My Guy Show is tomorrow.

All right. It's what a ghoul. It's been so exciting to, to lead up to this day. So we'll reveal our official My Guys on tomorrow's episode. We'll do a mock draft on Thursday. Lots of drafts coming up. Fantasy Time Machine on Friday. Friday night, we will be at the Van Buren for our live show doing bold predictions. BallersLive.com for that. And then the show will come out on Saturday. You guys will be able to see that YouTube.com/TheFantasyFootballers. Jam-packed, great time to be alive, ready for the season, great time to be alive. We'll catch you tomorrow. Yes, we will.

Goodbye.

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