Transcript of From Twitch to OnlyF*ns: A Creator's Journey | Dan Dangler | Dan Dangler DSH #1015

No, no commercial break. It's very mentally draining. So I'm glad that I made the switch.

I can see that. Neon said streaming is a really hard job.

It's probably one of the hardest jobs. And not the job itself. Not streaming. It's easy, but it's the fact of how many hours it is and how mentally draining it is.

All right, guys. Dan Dangler here today. Wow. Hi. Thanks for coming on.

Yeah, of course. Thanks for having me.

Yeah. I just saw you on Ryan Pownall's show yesterday, right?

Oh, my God. I'm always on that thing.

Yeah? He loves you on there.

We come up with good ideas and stuff, so that's why we work together.

I saw you went on with the grandpa.

Yeah, my grandpa, my My grandpa Wayne. He's insane.

Wait, that's actually your grandpa? Yeah. Oh, I thought that was a skit.

No, he's my grandpa, and he's an adult entertainer. No way. Yeah.

So did he inspire you?

No. No? No. I didn't look at pictures of his dick growing up or anything like that. No.

Did you know he was in that space, though, growing up?

No. It wasn't until I got a little older that thing started. I think he retired, and when his wife passed away, I think that it was just like, he's a wild man now.

Yeah. He's scratching that itch that he had during marriage, right? Yeah. Yeah. Marriage is a tricky thing.

Yes. I wouldn't know, but yeah.

You're pushing 30 now. Are Are you thinking about it?

You just exposed me. No, I'm not thinking about it. I'm not even going to lie. I don't think I ever want to get married.

Yeah?

Yeah. I think I'd be married without the government, if that makes sense.

You don't want to be financially tied to someone?

Yeah, I don't want to be tied in general through the government. I just think that we can be together and be married and do all that stuff and not have to be actually married.

I feel that there doesn't seem to be much benefit involved in the government.

Yeah, I mean, sometimes for insurance and stuff, but I don't know. That's not really worth it to me.

Yeah. What about dating, though?

I date, but I'm not really dating right now because I'm working on just my career and stuff like that. So I have eight dogs. Damn. Yeah. Nobody wants to date a girl with eight dogs.

I had seven on my notes, so you must have got a recent one.

I did get another one, yes. Every time I talk to somebody new or I see my friends every once in a while, I have to be like, Yeah, there's another one now. There's another one. Have you met this one?

Where do you get them all?

They're all rescues. So this one I just found was running on the street on my way. I was on my way to collab with Jaymack, and I don't know who that is. He's a male performer. And there was this little puppy running in the street. Not puppy, it's like an old ass Chihuahua. And I grabbed it and there was some lady running after it. I thought that it was her dog. So I was like, Here you go. She's like, No, it's not my dog. So I'm like, Oh, shit. So I had to take this thing home. It's old as shit. You got a senior. Yeah, it's 13, 14. It's just on hospice with me. Wow.

That's sad.

It's fine. It's happy. It loves food.

So you're willing to take in senior dogs. That shows your heart is big.

Oh, my God. I love any dog, any dog, besides crazy dogs. I've done the whole nut job dog Like crazy. Not for me.

The traumatized ones? Yeah. Yeah, because the problem is they'll attack your other dogs.

Yeah. It's too much right now. I've had it before, and I've had just one single dog, but I don't know. And more of a... I like a whole pack.

Yeah. You must have a good dog sitter.

Yeah.

Eight dogs.

Yes, I do. Thank God.

That shit ain't cheap because I pay mine. I got two dogs. It's like 150 a night.

Mine lives with me. So I have two assistants, and one of my assistants is my manager, so he came with me So the other assistant watches them while I'm gone, and he stays at my house for free. Smart. So it's like, not for free. He stays at my house in exchange for watching the dogs and stuff like that.

That's a good trade. Yeah. Wow. Perfect. Just dogs or you got other animals, too?

No, I couldn't have other animals. Rip. I tried to rescue a bird this past month. Alexis Fox was... I don't know how dirty I can get. Alexis Fox was banging, and a bird ran into the window while she was banging in it, and it fell on the ground. Tried to rehabilitate it. Rip, it didn't make it. Basketball. This happened last week. I was like, God darn it. I've never rehabilitated a bird, though, so I don't know.

See, I'm spiritual. So when I hear of a bird flying in a window like that, I wonder what the meaning is there.

Death?

Yeah. No.

Long, painful death.

I don't think that's a random thing.

I don't know. I don't know. It was... I'm not a bird girl. Let's just put it that way. I tried.

Well, certain people can almost talk to animals in a way where it makes them comfortable. Yeah. Tarzan?

Yeah. Dr. Doodle. Doodle.

Doodle, yeah. Dr. Doodle, yeah. Certain people got that touch. Yeah. Sounds like you got that with dogs.

I think so. Maybe. Sometimes it's funny, though. This old dog likes my roommates better than me, and I think she's a guy dog. I think she likes men better than females.

Dogs are good at reading people, too.

Well, it's not reading me very well.

No, but when I bring friends over to the house and my dogs don't like them, that's weird to me.

Oh, yeah. That's a red flag. My dogs have never not liked somebody. I don't think. Really? They've gotten scared when big dudes walk in with backpacks and stuff. Like big dudes. But other than that, they don't really get scared.

Yeah. You got big dudes coming over?

Yeah. Big Like, dude, it's a lot of the time I'm coming over.

I wonder why.

Yes, it's collapsed.

So you're not streaming anymore, huh?

I get banned too much. Right now, I'm banned. I was supposed to stream yesterday. On Twitch? Yeah, but I'm banned.

Damn, What was the reason this time?

Who knows?

They don't tell you?

It's always sex-related for me. I do stuff like I'll be... I don't know. I try to push the rules a little bit, and I don't feel like I break them, but sometimes they feel like I break them.

Well, they've gone pretty PG 13 lately, I feel like.

Yeah, everything has gone PG 13 lately. It's so annoying. My Twitter got pulled down. One of my alternate Twitter's got pulled down. Really? Because I had a picture of me touching a guy's chest like this. I was like this. I was touching his chest, and it got pulled down. I'm like, We can post our butt holes on this platform. Why is this photo getting taken down?

That's weird. Yeah. I thought with Elon taking over, they weren't really taking down accounts anymore.

I feel like Elon made it worse. I feel like he made it more like... He doesn't like when the girls comment on posts and stuff and do the self promo and all that stuff. He talked about trying to get rid of that somehow.

I see a lot of girls doing that.

How can you get rid of that? It's going to happen.

I see it everywhere. Is that how you get a lot of clients?

Well, what do you mean clients?

For your OF subscribers, I guess.

Yeah, I do ads and stuff on there. I have a team for ads and stuff. I'm not really doing that. I'm more of the Instagram girl. That's my main place.

That's a good funnel, too, I bet.

I love Instagram. It's so fun.

Your DMs must be popping.

Yeah, no. I get a ton of fans and stuff, but yeah. Nothing too crazy. Okay.

Do you respond to fans ever?

Not on there, because then I'm already responding on my... Can I say OnlyFans?

I think so, yeah.

I'm already responding on my spicy site. I'm already responding on that all day long, so I don't want to... If I do respond, I'm like, Hey, come talk to me over here. I'm over here.

Was the money better there or with streaming?

With OnlyFans. Really? By far, yeah. That's why I took a break from streaming because streaming is so difficult. People don't understand it. A lot of times streamers will be like, This is too much for me, and they'll get made fun of because it's considered an easy job. But it really isn't because it's eight hours every day staring at the computer, going like this, smiling. Somebody calls you ugly and fat, and you're like, no commercial break. It's very mentally draining. So I'm glad that I made the switch.

I can see that. Neon said streaming is a really hard job.

It's probably one of the hardest jobs. And not the job itself, not streaming. It's easy, but it's the fact of how many hours it is and how mentally draining it is.

I could see it take a toll on people. Ninja seems pretty unhinged.

I'm going to say he's a Jackass. He's a Jackass, man. He's such a sore loser just because he's not popping like that anymore. He'll put down people if they do good. You know what I mean? You can tell he gets really jealous when other people are breaking his records.

I saw him with the Kaizenat stuff.

Yeah. He's just very jealous man. Kaizenat gets his subathon beat, and he's like, Good job, Iron Mouse. You won, you did it, blah, blah, blah. And then Ninja gets beat and he's like, This is bullshit. Me, me, me.

Yeah. I hate to see that because during Fortnite's peak, he was so fun to watch. Yeah. So I hate to see this side of him.

Yeah.

I put myself in his shoes and I wonder how I'd feel about.

Probably the same, but you can't show that.

You got to not show that.

Yeah. You don't want to sound ungrateful because sure, you might have had 100,000 people watching you at one time, but you still have 12,000 people watching you. That's the stuff I think that people take for granted. Which is still a lot of people. Yeah. That's just really mentally challenging, the streaming world.

Yeah. I wonder what the top streamers these days get. Do you know?

Money-wise?

How many people are watching them?

Oh, yeah. Like 100,000. Kaizenat can have 50K to 200K. You know what I mean? Yeah, It's pretty insane. But Neon, I don't even consider him a streamer, a real streamer, because he view bots everything. That's how he got any of his following. He bought it all. Completely bought it all.

I've heard that he view bots, but I've never seen proof of it.

Yeah. Well, Kick has came out and said, Don't be like Neon. Oh, really? Yes. Wow. I will never consider him amongst the top streamers because of that. Top streamers don't cheat to get there.

I didn't know you could viewbot that easily.

Yeah, especially on Kick. Especially on Kick. All those streamers who are getting... There are streamers who are gone off the platform now, but they were getting 30K fake viewers. You go into their channel and their channels move super slow, and it makes no sense for the amount of viewers they have.

Right. So that's a sign that they're viewbotting when the chat's slow?

There's also different ways to find out, but yeah, that's one of them.

Damn. So what about Jack Doherty? What do you think about that kid?

His face pisses me off. I don't know why. I think I'm not the only person who thinks that. I don't really care about him or any of the shit he does. But one thing, I think he needs his ass beat. I'm not going to lie. I think that Jack Dory, all these dudes If they're going to talk shit to the security guards, they'll literally be like, they'll talk shit to people. They'll be like, Say something, and their security guard will be right in front of them. I'm like, Bro, when I was a kid, if you had a security guard in front of you to talk shit, you would have gotten jumped so fucking hard. You would have been the biggest loser. So I just think that when you have to hire somebody to handle your fights for you, I think that maybe you shouldn't be fighting. Yeah.

Well, he's permanently banned right now as we're filming this. I don't know if he'll get it back.

He probably will because kicks really bad like that. Yeah, I don't think he should, though. I think he should be kicked off all platforms.

Did you see that car crash? That was crazy.

Yeah. For people who don't know, he was texting and driving, got in a car accident, hurt his cameraman very bad, and his cameraman was one of the last things he was worried about. So it was sad.

He told him to keep filming.

Yeah. He literally gave his camera to a random guy outside of his window. Here, watch me jump out my crash car window. It was just scary. In situations like that, I think it shows your true person. A hundred %. Yeah. And I think that that was really shitty.

Well, I think streaming in general, because you're on for so long, your true colors are going to come out.

Oh, yeah, 100 %. Especially like something like that. Just don't text and drive, especially when it's fucking raining.

On a highway, too. Yeah. Maybe at a stoplight, but not highway.

And your friend is in the car. Like, come on. Yeah.

Who do you watch the most right now? Streamers?

I don't really watch streamers right now, but if I do watch them, it'll be like, yeah, like Kai or somebody like that. I might pop in to see what's going on, or maybe some of my friends pop in, see what's going on. But Yeah, I'm not really watching streamers too much these days. Just clips on Twitter. Yeah.

These clippers, man. I'm about to start doing it for the pod. I'm excited. Oh, my God. Aiden Ross is killing it with these clippers. Yeah. You see them on TikTok and Instagram reels everywhere. Oh, yeah.

Everywhere. There's There's a big one going on right now. Oh, really?

For Mr. Beast?

No. Well, yeah. But have you seen this, Frogan?

Frogan? Oh, yeah. Oh, my. She pissed off the veterans?

God, she pissed off me, too. Really? Half that. What'd she say to you? I'm from a military family. Oh, wow. My brother went to Iraq when I was very young, and there'd be times where you didn't know what the fuck was happening because you couldn't get in contact. And she just came out and she's like, I hope all US soldiers get PTSD and just all this really fucked up shit and just like, I hate them, blah, blah, blah. So people are blowing her up right now.

She's under fire. Yeah. So was she big before this? Was she a known creator?

She was big. She's really the only one on Twitch who's wearing a hijab, I think it's called, or maybe just the headpiece, whatever on that's called. She's her own niche and stuff like that. But damn.

Good luck to her, man.

I would be afraid to go out in public after saying something like that.

That's one community I wouldn't want to piss off with veterans.

You don't mess with veterans, especially in America, where we are pro No, military. Do not mess with... So, yeah, that one's going viral right now. She tried to apologize, but basically just back her statement up.

Yeah, that's one thing that I would just let it go.

Yeah. Just don't be on the internet for a long time.

Long time, yeah. The good thing is, though, people will eventually forget, I feel like.

Hopefully. You think so? Actually, no. Hopefully, they don't forget. Fuck her. Fuck her. She's a bitch. Thank you to all the veterans who work your ass off and risk your life for us.

Shout out to veterans. I've had a lot on the show, actually. Yeah. Have you ever been under fire like that before from the Internet?

Oh, yeah. I've had somebody make up a story about me. Really? Oh, my God. When I first started streaming, this was fucking miserable. When I first started streaming, I didn't have a ton of money and stuff like that. Wasn't poor, but I was making enough to pay the bills here and there. I didn't have a patio in my backyard, so I wanted a patio, and it was Breast Cancer Awareness Day. So I was like, Hey, guys, the subs today, half the subs will go to donating to breast cancer awareness. And then if I make past the amount of my daily amount, that'll go to breast cancer awareness, too. I was just trying to do this thing, and then I had this one loser guy try and say that I was stealing from charity that I was taking 50 % of what goes to charity. But in reality, I just didn't have a lot of money at the time, and I was saying I'll donate half of my income to charity, not 100 %. Half of it. He didn't do shit for breast cancer in his day. He said, I was stealing. It was a whole thing.

It messed me up big time because it was one of the first false rumors that ever went around about me. And yeah, it messed me up pretty bad because it's something that I hold close to my heart and all that stuff. But yeah, I'm over it now. Fuck that guy.

Damn, that's messed up. You were trying to do something good, and then you get attacked. Yeah.

I mean, I get where they were coming from. It could look bad if I made... But I wasn't making money like that at the time. I also showed all the receipts to all my... Everybody, Hey, this is when I donated, blah, blah, blah.

As long as you got the truth on your side, you can't really lose.

Yeah. It was hard, but fine.

When did the money start coming in? How long did that take?

I'll say money started coming in probably right at COVID.

Okay, so 2019?

Yeah, that's right when it started coming in because that was my last semester of college. I finished up my other job. I just quit my other job. And so I was really focusing on it and making money from it then.

That was streaming at the time? Yeah. Okay. And when did you transition from that?

I've been in OnlyFans for three years or so. Two, three years.

But yeah, so that's when I transitioned. So a couple of years in? Yeah.

That makes sense. After a couple of years of streaming, I went to OnlyFans.

Who convinced you?

Myself.

It wasn't someone And I was like, Yeah, I would do.

Of course, all my fans were like, Open up in the OnlyFans. Little horny guys. Open up in the OnlyFans. I'm like, No, I'm not like that. I'll never do that. The only reason I was saying no is because I come from a Midwest family. You I grew up in a church that said being gay was wrong. I grew up in almost Norman town, but for the Catholic. Got it. And so, yeah, I just... I lost my train of thought what we were we saying?

Your family was super religious, and Yeah, they were super religious.

So I didn't want to... Well, not super religious, but judgmental religious. So I didn't want to go into OnlyFans because I didn't want my family to find out. That was literally the only reason. And that's And I think back on that, I'm like, That is so sad. I should have just done what I wanted from the start. It's my own life. So, yeah.

Wow. So how did they take it?

Were they-Oh, they didn't take it well. They literally... Am I supposed to be this emo?

I mean, be honest. I want you to be yourself.

Well, I mean, long story short, they don't agree with it. They don't talk to me anymore because of it. Still? Yes. I've tried everything, messaging them multiple times. I'll fly you out, come out. I've done all sorts of stuff. I gave my dad a check to get a boat. My mom ripped it up. So, yeah, there's been a lot of just... It's dirty money. Now, stuff like that. But I'm happy. So I don't really give a shit. They always have a problem with something I do. If I was streaming, I had a V-neck shirt on. How could I? I posted a picture of me in a bikini. How could I? As a 20 Five-year-old. Wow. Yeah.

Sorry to hear that. So it sounds like they were really strict on you growing up.

Yeah, very strict. And so it's still a struggle, but it's very relieving to be my own person now, finally.

Damn. So what about siblings and cousins and stuff?

Did they all cut you off? Yeah, they all cut me off. My siblings cut me off because I might have a brother who's always been grouchy and shit. He never liked me anyway. And then another brother who has kids, and he's What if my kids asked you about it and wanted to do that? I'm like, You need to talk to your kids because that's fucking weird that your kids would ask me about porn. You know what I mean? I don't think that's a me problem. I think that's a you problem. So Yeah, we don't talk because of that and stuff. My cousins would all talk to me if I reach out to them. But I grew up being forced to go to family events and shit like that. I didn't want to go. So now I'm at a time I don't have to go to this random cousin's wedding anymore. Yeah.

That's how I felt with religion. I got forced to go to church growing up, and I hated it.

Yeah. It's just nice to be relieved from that and not have to do that anymore. And like, fake being this I don't know. I just didn't want to sit at my cousin's houses and stuff anymore.

No, that type of stuff should call you. It shouldn't be a forced thing in my opinion.

Yeah. And I kept getting forced by my mom to do things. And I had therapists, and they were like, You shouldn't be forced to do anything and all that stuff.

Damn. Yeah. Yeah, I got pretty much forced to go to college, too.

Yeah, same here. And I had to pay for it.

Oh, that's even worse. At least my mom. Shout out to my mom. Pay for it.

My mom said, Do whatever you want, but first get a degree, and I got two degrees, graduated Magna Cumulade, and paid off everything, and I'm debt free. And then I did porn because my mom said, Do what you want afterwards, and she didn't like that. Two degrees.

So you got a smart side to Yeah, I got a dedicated side to me.

Good work, other. I'm really not that smart. I remember I hold a lot of information, but if me and you did a math test, you would beat me.

I failed precalc, so I don't know about that.

Precalc? That's That's how it sounds too smart for me.

Yeah, I couldn't pass that shit in college.

But I would dedicate myself to it hard enough to learn it for the semester type shit.

Yeah, so you got a good work, I think.

Yeah, that's where I succeeded, thankfully. That makes sense.

Wow. What a life. You got a very interesting life.

It's very interesting.

It's cool to see and hear this because there's people watching this that could probably relate, though. Strict parents and want to pursue a passion, whether it's OF or whether it's something.

My mom wanted me to do human resources.

Wow, that sounds terrible.

I know. She signed me up to be a nurse aide, and I was wiping old people asses and stuff like that. I love the job, but me and my mom had a different view for my life. Yeah.

I like to volunteer and help out, but not as a full day, because then you're limited. You can only see a certain amount of people a day. Rather than creating content, we can impact millions of people. We could actually help people. Damn. I don't even know what to say after all that. Thanks for being honest and vulnerable.

Yeah. I'm so open. I don't even find it vulnerable. I'm just so open and honest about everything. I'm open book. Anything you want to know.

Have you always been that way?

Yes. I used to be sassy, very sassy growing up. But yeah, always an open book. I'll always give you an honest. If you're like... I'm that type of girl. If my friend asked, Hey, have I been gaining weight? I will tell them, Yes, girl, you've been gaining weight. No, you haven't. I'm just very honest.

That's a good friend to have.

Sometimes. Some people don't like that. I told my friend before that she looked funny. She had an outfit on. She's like, Well, I didn't need to know that.

I mean, be honest. If I got a I'm wearing my nose, tell me. I'll tell you. I got you. If I'm putting on weight, tell me.

I won't tell you unless you ask me. I'm not going to go. That also comes from my German side of the family. My mom, if she brought an overweight girl to her home growing up, my German grandma would be like, You're fat. You need to lose weight. Because that's just the German side. Germans think that they're helping you by saying something like that, but they don't realize that's actually really hurtful.

Yeah. So Germans are just super honest people.

Oh, yeah. Especially back in the day. Yeah, for sure.

Have you been out there, Germany?

No, I haven't. But a bunch of my cousins have came here and stuff like that.

You've been traveling a lot?

No, I actually don't travel too much because of my eight dogs. That makes sense. If I do travel, it has to be somewhere that I can get back in time in case something wrong happens. I could never go to China or something, I don't think, because it's just too far away.

Yeah, that's 18 hours at least, I think. I flew there once. Yeah? Yeah.

It's so long. Oh, my gosh. Did you lay down on the seats?

No, I was broke back then. Well, not broke, but I was 10 years old. Oh, yeah.

Well, at least the seats were a little bigger when you were 10.

I was still the tallest one there when I was 10.

Yeah, well, that's true. Yeah. Yeah.

Those Asian guys are short.

Yes.

You ever been with an Asian guy?

No. Really? Yeah. It's so surprising. I always tell my fans and followers about that. I'm like, yeah, I've never been with an Asian guy. Wow.

Is it the height thing or what do you think it is?

No, I don't have anything against Asian men. I just haven't ran into an Asian performer. There's not a lot of Asian female... I mean, male performers.

That's actually true. I don't know any, to be honest.

Well, it's a very judgmental life. Their parents and stuff like that. It's a very harder thing to get into.

They would drop the kid like your parents did.

Yeah, 100 %. Yeah. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah, I didn't think of it that way, but 100 %.

Yeah. Some cultures are just okay with it, and some aren't.

Yeah. I wonder why.

I don't know. But us black and white people, we don't care. We be throwing our booties around everywhere. Absolutely. There's plenty of us.

Nonstop. This is an interesting episode for me because I don't watch porn. No? No.

I don't I can't believe you. Yeah, I don't watch por- Are you asexual?

No, I'm not. I thought I was before, but I just had low testosterone.

Oh, okay. So you have low testosterone right now, you think?

Not anymore.

Well, then why don't you watch porn?

I just have sex.

How often?

Once or twice a week. Okay. That's enough for me.

That's good. Yeah. That'd be plenty for me. Yeah.

Not most people, but people do it daily.

It's like-I don't get that.

I'd be drained.

I don't need that. I need more of an emotional daily rather than a sexual Daily.

Emotional daily.

I haven't heard that before. Yeah. I'd rather sit there and hang out with you, watch a movie, chill, do that on a daily rather than have to fuck daily. I don't mind fucking, but it's my job. Sometimes I like to focus on the other stuff.

Yeah. You probably get home after work. I don't want to have sex.

I don't want to fuck. Yeah.

Because you just did it for hours.

Yeah. Well, not hours. No. I will know. I draw the line, If a collab lasts longer than 30 minutes, I quit it. Damn. I tell I'm not wasting my time.

30 minutes. That's actually pretty long, though, to be honest.

And if anybody jerks off to a 30-minute video, I can give them 15 minutes and buy another fucking video. You know what I mean? I don't need to give them a 30-minute video. I can give them two 15-minute videos.

Thirty is impressive. If you could last the whole time.

Yeah. Well, and then plus, if you save it and then you have multiple parts in the 30-minute video, you're less likely to sell more videos. You know what I mean? Because you gave this long-form content that they can continue to use.

Interesting. So you drop a video a week?

Yeah. I have sex with... I'd collab twice a week, probably.

Okay. So two videos a week?

Yeah. I don't know. It depends how I drop them.

Is it the same guy Guys normally?

You just wrote it. Yeah, it's around the same guys. Sometimes it's a new guy, but it's always a guy that is in the industry and has experience in the industry, has worked with people I know, stuff like that, It has to be like that.

Yeah. You keep it pretty professional.

Oh, I am one of the most professional influencers. I genuinely believe that. Part of me wanted to... I'm mad I didn't wear business suits as a personality because I feel like that would have been more me. But yeah, I wish I would have done that besides of dresses and stuff, because I really do treat it like a job. If we're not on the clock, if the camera is not rolling I'm not going to fluff you. You know what I mean?

What does that mean?

Okay. I was like, you're looking at me like you didn't know. I never heard that. Okay. So if the camera pauses and we have to take a break, the guy has to stay erect.

Oh, wow.

And so a lot of times girls will help the man when the camera's off. I'm a professional cornstar. I'm not helping you. The camera is off. You should be professional enough to get it up and be ready for me.

Damn.

That's how it works.

Yeah. You got to switch the So it's different camera angles, right?

Yeah, it's different stuff. It could be anything. Like, have to break to drink. And if I have to sit there and give you a 30-minute blow job to get you hard again for our scene, then I'm not going to work with you again because I'd rather just get what needs to be done in the 30 minutes.

Yeah, because that's more time you're spending.

Yeah. Then I'm not here to give free blow jobs that aren't on camera.

But it's just the truth. That's a lot. Yeah. Your fans would be upset with that line, I think.

That's okay. I'm professional about it.

Have you ever met a fan?

Yeah. I've met tons of fans. Yeah? Yeah. I love my fans. They're great.

That's cool. Some people draw that boundary, I know.

I don't meet up with them or anything like that. I see them at events. Oh, got it. I draw the line at meetups. I don't do meetups because I've had bad experiences. I've had a guy from California come to Michigan, try to live with me with his dog and everything. What? Yeah. He just showed up with his dog? Yeah. Showed up at an animal sanctuary I volunteered at, almost followed me all the way home. But I realized some guy was following me, so I pulled over. I'm Michigan. I'm Michigan, German-Italian, spicy girl. Jumped out of my car. Why the fuck are you following me? And then he gets out of his car. I don't know. I don't know. And then it was like, long story short, he ended up... I was like, Z called the police because I thought he was like, somebody He was sick. And he's like, Don't have Zack call the police. I was like, What the fuck? How do you know my friend's name's Zack? And then I put two and two together. Oh, this is my stalker from California. He's here in Michigan right now. Yeah.

So he was messaging you before that?

Yeah. He messaged me here and there, and he'd be like, I want to come to Florida with you and the Mods because I would take my Mods to Florida and stuff. I want to come there. I'd be like, No, you cannot do that. No. And I would block him, create new accounts. You know, like he would just... Wow.

Yeah. That's unfortunate.

He's gone now, though. I don't know where he is now.

Probably on another girl.

Or in jail, hopefully. Got a lot of DUIs.

He had a DUI?

He had a lot of DUIs. I had a lot of paperwork against him, so I found a lot of Oh, wow.

You did your investigation?

Oh, yeah.

What are the mod? Is that Discord Mods you're talking about? Yeah.

My Mods are my best friends. Really? They're not even really my Mods anymore because I don't stream as much. So, yeah, It's just a group of people who used to help me out on my account. Now they come and visit me in California and stuff. Nice. Yeah. One of my assistants was a mod on my Twitch channel, and then we became friends, and then he moved to Michigan to hang out because I was like, Why don't you live here? Because his job is, it's travel job. So he moved to Michigan. And then I moved to California, and I was like, Just come to California with me. So he came to California, too. So, yeah. There we go. Yeah. My mod became one of my best friend/roomates.

Shout out to him. He made it. Yeah. He got out. Are you ever going to... Well, you're banned on Twitch. So what about other platforms? I'll be back, though. You'll be back? Yeah.

He might be on banned today, actually. Okay. Yeah.

But would you ever go to Kick or Rumbble or something?

Fuck, no. I'm not going to Kick. Kick is full of... I don't know if I can say this word. So full of adults that talk to children. Really? Yes.

I didn't know that.

There's been men who have been kicked off the platform for talking and getting drunk with underage children. Whoa. Yeah. So there's a lot of that. There's a lot of just nastiness. I don't want to be associated with that platform anymore. I actually had a deal with them a while ago. I was getting paid to stream for them, and I was getting banned. Not banned. I was getting my category switched. People were fucking with my channel while I streaming. The kickmods would put me in chess while I was streaming just chatting. I don't even know how to play chess. I don't even have a chess board. They would literally mess with my category to fuck with me It was the weirdest. I've never had staff fuck with me like this before. Then also they told me if I didn't want to be fucked with anymore, to be on during I think it was during the daytime because at nighttime, their Mods are from the Middle East, and their Mods are less accepting of females and stuff like that. So they basically told me.

Oh, yeah, Islam.

They told me, Don't stream at certain times because I'm most likely to get messed with. That is strange. I'm like, why can't you just handle your fucking staff and not have them harass anybody? And I could stream at any time I want.

That's super unprofessional.

It was the most insane thing. I have the craziest messages in my Discord from one of the owners of Kik, just the most insane things.

I do see a lot of degeneracy on that platform.

It is so degenerate. It is the platform for Streamrejects, if that makes sense. Yeah, people that got banned.

Rejects.

Yeah, it's the place for rejects.

Yeah, people that get banned on Twitch, right? They pop over there.

Then they do all this pedophile chasing stuff, too.

I've seen that. How do you feel How about those?

I don't like it. Really? Like the fatali stuff? I think that people should be held accountable, obviously, for doing pedophilia stuff. But I just think that you're putting way too many people at risk. You don't know. These people could have a gun and it like that. They're already unhinged enough to touch children. I just think that you should maybe assist the police with that. Because they catch them and they shave their heads and all that shit, then they let them go. It's like, you didn't fix a pedophile, problem. You just fucked him up a little bit. Now he's still going to go home and be a little fucking weirdo.

One of them suing Batali, I believe. Yeah. For shaming him or whatever.

Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, insane. It's just a mess. I think that they deserve it. Absolutely. I just don't think it should be done that way.

Yeah. It's tough, man. As a streamer, I get it. You're constantly trying to innovate new ways to get views, but you're pushing that line. Yeah.

It's getting dangerous when you hit that line.

Yeah, the pranksters stuff. People walking with security purposely bumping into people.

Oh, my God. That drives me nuts. I just think if you're not an A-list celebrity and you have security, I think you're a fucking loser. I genuinely think you're a loser. I'm a female, and I don't need security when I go out to places. Really? No, because I'm a normal person, and I don't talk shit about people like these Jack Dorities and Neons and them. I don't need somebody to back me up like that.

I could see it for certain corn stars because they're just some weird guys. But yeah, I get what you're saying, though.

But even for certain corn stars, I can go out with people, and I can go out with the big girls, and they don't get fucking... It's just not the same type of interaction that Jack Dority and all that we're getting.

Yeah. I hope he turns it around.

I don't. I hope he goes away.

You don't think there's some- I think they're all losers.

I'm not going to lie. I just think they're losers. I think a lot of people- You don't think people can change, though? I just think he's very... When he got in that car crash, that showed me everything I needed to know about him. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I couldn't tell if he was doing it for show, but then he got in that crash, and he was still the same person.

Yeah. They're just bad people.

And even Neon, I've seen videos of him before he starts filming, he goes up to everyone and tells them, Yo, I'm going to pretend to be this guy. If I annoy you, let me know.

Oh, yeah. The whole thing is just a weird world. It's very reality TV. Yeah.

I just hope people don't get too carried away where someone ends up dead or something.

Oh, it's going to happen 100 % between fucking Fuzi and all these people.

Fuzi is going crazy.

I know. Again. He messages me every once in a while.

Oh, he does?

Yeah, but it never makes sense.

I think he might be manic again.

It's like the fourth time. It's not good for your health, this stream. Genuine, it's not good for your health, but it's very addictive.

Yeah. When you see the views, right? Yeah.

So addictive. They're chasing it.

Money. Even me with my clips, if they don't get 100K views, I'm like, damn, I'm sad about it.

Yeah. And it's like, you shouldn't be.

I know. It's still a lot of people, but when you're chasing the top, I guess, chasing the Fame. It's a lot. It gets risky. Yeah.

That's so good.

Well, what's next for you?

Oh, God.

Two more collabs this week.

Yeah. No, I'm starting a lot of YouTube. I'm really excited about this, but YouTube over the years has become a lot less monetizable. Is that how- Yeah, the ad revenue is down. Yeah, I feel like it's pretty low, but it's where I feel like I should be because I feel like it's just enough energy to exert for a video, and then I can chill. I like that. Yesterday, I went to a Halloween party, and then just brought my YouTube video with me. I just videoed myself and just hung out. Felt nice and relaxing. It wasn't like having a chat, watching you the entire time and having to be on like that all the time. So I'm excited to start this YouTube journey.

What content are you thinking?

I'm thinking just vlog style. I go to this Halloween party. I put up my Christmas tree already.

Wow, that's early.

I know. You're one of those girls. I love Christmas trees. I might not decorate my whole house, but I'll definitely love the Christmas tree when it becomes cooler outside.

Real What's your fake tree?

Fake. Okay. I've always been a fake tree, girl. Why? Because I don't want my house to burn down.

Good point.

And I like to reuse my stuff. I literally just did my Christmas tree, and I put all plastic ordinance on it, and I zip-tied them all to the tree.

Zip-tied them to the tree.

So then next year, I don't have to put anything on. Oh, you're so lazy.

Part of the fun is always putting it on. No. And then every year- I fucking hated that.

I love it.

Every year, I add a new ordinance.

Oh, I have a million sentiments, though. That's what my family did growing up, is they gave everybody sentiments. Aunts would give everybody an testament every year. So I have 10 million gingerbread men, all these shit that I don't want, but it can't get rid of because it's- Sentimental? Yes, but no. I don't even know who gave it to me at the time. But it's just, yeah. Growing up, I had to put ordinance on the tree that were given to me, and I didn't like that the tree wasn't cohesive.

You got OCD, it sounds like.

No, I I just really liked. Growing up, I wasn't a big Kardashian fan or anything, but I always saw their Christmas trees that they put in their living rooms and stuff. I was like, I want a fancy tree like that.

They've inspired a lot of people in many different ways, especially woman. Yes. I know girls that couldn't stop watching that show.

I can probably thank my BBL to their... What is it? Their influence on society. I can definitely thank my BBL to, probably. Yeah. Wow.

What other surgeries have you done?

I've done them all. Damn. Yeah. But I just think it's funny when people don't know. Some guys are into natural boobs, and they have to ask you if they're natural or not. To be like, well, are they natural or no?

You can tell by the touch, right?

Yeah, no. Not for me, personally. My boobs feel real because my boobs are very fat. They're fat. They were big before. They just ended up starting to sag a little bit. So I got poops, put the boobs and it just made them perk up a little bit. My boobs are still very soft, but yeah, you can tell on very thin girls and stuff like that.

I can't tell you've gotten a lot in your face.

You can? I can't. Oh, okay. I was like, Jesus Christ.

I thought you just said- You know how someone you could tell?

No, I don't do a lot like that. No, I don't do stuff to my face. I only do facials and stuff like that. Not like dirty ones. Well, those too. Yeah. I am mainly I'm only doing facial treatments. I don't really get face. I don't get my face cut.

The Botox and stuff?

I might get Botox here and there, but I don't do it like crazy. I'm just preventing looking old. That's what I'm trying to do.

What was the one that makes your lips? Is that the Botox? Lip filler. Lip filler.

I get lip filler, too, but-I can't tell.

Some woman-I don't have a lot.

Gosh. I have tiny lips, so I just have a little bit.

I never understood the attraction towards the big fat lips.

Some people's lips look really good, though.

When they're that fat and big, you think they look good?

Some of them don't, though. Some of them look like from the side view, they're like...

The side view.

Side view is pretty bad. It's like a duck. But yeah, I just don't like that. Like the big upper lip that's sticking out.

You've got them all. Is there any on your list that you want?

No, but like I said, done all, done boops, butt, lipo, arm lipo. I just got out of arm lipo, and it was the biggest mistake of my life. Why? I've never had any issues with surgery I'm hungry until arm lipo, literally. I don't know. My arms did not want to recover.

Holy crap.

Are they bruised up still? Yeah, I'm real messed up right now.

It doesn't seem like you needed the lipo.

I felt I needed it, but Yesterday, my assistant goes, I hate to say it, but I don't even realize the difference. I mean- And I was like, Don't say that to me when I have this giant thing on my arm and this arm's all fucked up You? Just say it looks good.

You're already pretty skinny, so.

No, I'm naturally not a skinny girl. Really? Yeah. I'm not a fat girl. I'm naturally just a thick girl. Okay. Yeah.

Certain guys like that, though.

Yeah, flat stomach thick.

Flat stomach thick. What does that mean?

My stomach's flat, but I'm still a little thickerer. Okay. Like a sports player.

Sports player? Yeah. Like a Serena Williams?

Yeah, but she's definitely not that I expect them not comparing myself to her. But yeah, you know how she's thickerer. Yeah. That's me.

Yeah. Well, it comes in waves where certain guys want thick, and then they want skinny.

Yeah. It goes... Right now is the skinny phase. That's the phase right now. I'm like, God damn it.

Bring it back. They're bringing back the supermodel phase.

No, I'm so sad about that one, though, because I'm a food addict. I love food. I'm very much a food addict, though. I can't say no if you put certain things in front of me.

What's your go-to? Italian?

Yeah, but right now I have a problem with sour punch straws.

Oh, so candy.

I'm having a really bad candy problem lately.

You got a sweet tooth. You might have a parasite. You think? Do you have a sugar craving right now?

I'm so bad I have sugar cravings.

I'll introduce you to my parasite girl. She'll give you a cleanse. Your sugar cravings will go away. What? Yeah, you have a parasite infection. Crazy, right? It's common, though. Don't feel like it's a-How much?

What is it in me? What's in me? Worms or some shit?

Type of worm, yeah. But when you have a sweet tooth like that- No, no, no, no.

Stop. Are they microscopic? Go back to this worm thing.

Yeah, they're microscopic.

They're not big ones. I'm going to jump off a fucking cliff. I don't want any fucking parasites inside me.

I'll get you right. I had them, too.

Oh, my God. It's so bad, though. It's to a point where one of my assistants is actually a nurse, and he's like, You're going to give yourself diabetes because I don't know how much candy I've been eating lately.

You might have to get your blood tested for it.

Oh, fuck. Man, as long as it's not worms in my butt hole. Have you ever seen that before? No. Yeah, that's insane. You saw that? No, this podcast I used to listen to And not podcast, it's a radio show, Dave & Chuck, The Freak. I fucking love them. They're a radio show where I grew up. They talked about worms in the butt hole.

No.

Yeah. It happens to people. And they said to check, you have to put a piece of duct tape on your butt. And then you fall asleep, and then you wake up and you pull the duct tape off. There will be some worms on it. Or a flashlight to your butt hole in the dark.

Have you tested it?

No, that's my number one fear, though. That's my number one fear. Whenever my butt is itchy, I'm like, I better not have fucking butt worms. That's my number one fucking- That would affect your work. Worms? Yeah, that would affect my work. You're right. Gross. Yeah, no. I just... Yeah, no.

I used to have a tape worm fear.

Worms are my biggest fear in the world in general.

They're up there for me because I was super skinny growing up, and I was convinced I had a table arm.

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

I was like, 150 pounds.

150 pounds?

That's 6'5.

Oh, I was like, That's not bad at all. But 6'5?

I'm a foot taller than you. That's way too skinny. You could see my rib cage and stuff.

Yeah, no, that's almost as much as I weigh.

Yeah, with another foot.

I'm like 140 right now or something.

Most girls don't admit their weight.

I'm a big girl. I'm a big girl. I'm not big, but I'm heavy girl.

You're the first girl that's just said it without having to ask.

I'm very sad about it. I'm open book. I don't have any secrets at all. Not even one.

That's good. A lot of girls are conscious about their weight.

No, I'm trying to be like... I would love to be like one. Maybe I'm actually No. Maybe I am 140. I'm either 145 or 135. Okay. But yeah, I don't want to be. I want to be like 115. Damn. That's good for me.

I'll be a little too skinny, I think.

I think it's too skinny if I'm like 105.

Damn, that's skinny.

That's too skinny. But I've hit 115 before, which is very not like me. I was sick at the time, and it looked really good. I was like, Oh, she's Skinny.

That is the one benefit of getting sick. You lose 10 pounds.

It was so great for a little bit. Mind you, it couldn't work. I couldn't do anything. But- You were real sick. I was skinny.

Was that COVID sickness?

No, it was just anxiety. I had a bad anxiety spurt for a couple months. Lost a shit ton of weight. I deal with... All my fans know I deal with mental health huge.

Really? I couldn't tell, but it's just this episode.

Yeah. I deal with it myself. I don't take my mental health out on anybody.

But yeah, So it's been a lifelong thing or did it come recently with the lifelong?

I just got diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

What?

Yeah.

My dad had that.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't have a bad, though. And it affects me only. I will never be like, Ha ha, at you or anything like that. It's something that just... I've been in therapy my whole life, so I'm very aware of my mind and stuff, and I know that I'm like, Oh, My mentality isn't good right now. I'll talk to you later.

That's good, though, because at least you could recognize-Yeah, I'm very happy I can recognize it very easily. A lot of bipolar people can't. Yes.

And it's hard. Yeah.

My dad, I was very shy as a kid because if I said the wrong thing, he would yell at me.

Yeah. It's definitely in me. Definitely in me. I went to Halloween Horror Nights last night, and I just wanted to yell at everybody because if it gets too close or people walking by who hit your shoulder. You want to start to fight with them. And you're like, No, this is not a normal thought.

It's like road rage, but in person.

Yes, exactly. It's like you have these irrational thoughts. I want to scream at this person, but you just don't do it.

Because they're not intentionally doing it. Yeah.

And it's just a lot of it comes down to my brain, and it's only affecting me. Everybody else is having a good time.

Yeah. I'm not big on crowded places. I don't go to clubs, bars.

I don't know what happened.

In college, I liked it. But now, as I'm older, it's like...

Oh, my God. I know. The Halloween Horror Nights, I was telling my friends, I was like, If I went to this when I was younger, this would have been a blast. So much fun. It was fun as an adult, but you start getting tired and you're like, I want to go home. I got to get up in the morning. All that stuff. But to go as a teen with your boyfriend and your friends, that would have been so fun.

It would have been the highlight of the year. Oh, yeah.

So fun. Yeah.

Like, with this unruly party coming up, 4,000 people, I'm like, I'm not even going. You know what I mean?

No, it's a lot of people.

I'd rather be home with my dogs and my girls.

Yeah, 100 %. Me too. Smoking weed.

Yeah. I've been smoking a little lately, actually. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I used to not be able to. Oh, yeah. Bad anxiety.

Terrible. Oh, huh?

Yeah.

I get like that if I smoke too much wax.

Wax for sure. Or edibles.

Oh, you think so?

Do you feel edibles?

I don't feel edibles I'm on Lexapro. If anybody is on Lexapro, they know you feel shit, not even in your vagina sometimes. What?

I've never heard of that.

What does that mean? Lexapro is like, if you ever talk to somebody and you're like, they're not there. They're not mentally there. They're like a fucking robot or something. It's usually they're on Lexapro.

So it's like a dissociation?

It's very... It just calms you down.

Oh, it's like an anti-anxiety?

Anti-anxiety, anti-depression, all that stuff.

You seem to have plenty of emotion here, though.

Well, I'm insane.

So this is you dumbed out?

Yes. I'm wild. But if my aunts are on it, my mom, if you talk to them, they're like, robot. It's just weird.

Damn. When did you start getting on that?

When I was younger. But it's the only thing that really makes me feel okay. The only thing that really makes me, I don't know, feel like I'm out of normal.

Sounds like you need a psychedelic experience.

Oh, my I had someone... No, who told me to do that? Fuzi told me to...

I don't know if that's the best person to be telling you that.

Fuzi told me to... What do you-Ayawasca. He did something somewhere. I don't think it was Ayawasca. Toad. Maybe DMT or something. Fucking weird. Don't quote me in this, anybody. But if Fuzi said something about he did some trip, he's like, Oh, it made me feel a lot better. I'm like, Okay, I don't know about that because I see a lot of this stuff everywhere. But yeah, I always wondered if that would help me, but I think I have too much anxiety. I think it would actually do the opposite.

It could go either way. You could have a really bad trip or you could just...

Be cured for life.

Yeah, unlock all your childhood trauma and release it.

I just don't think I... I feel like you have to be very chill and very ready and open for that to get that experience.

You need the right mindset, right setting.

I'm not there.

It'll call you one day.

I can literally take three eighths of shrooms and not feel anything. What? It's because of Lexapro.

Holy crap.

It's insane. I'm like, I don't even know if any of these experiences will work for me anyway because of the medicine.

What happens if you didn't take the medicine? Does that happen?

I always take it. If I didn't take it, I'd start feeling anxious and all that stuff.

That's how I was when I was on Xanax.

Yeah. Oh, my God. That stuff is so bad for you. Terrible. How long were you on it?

Only two months, but I cut it instead of tapering off, so I had a seizure.

Oh, my God. It's insane, right? Yeah, I almost died from it. It's insane. I was on Klonopin for a year, and I was trying to get off it for months, months. I was telling everybody, I'm trying to get off this drug. It sounds like I'm a drug addict, but I'm prescribed this drug, and I'm taking this tiny this dose of it to try and get off it. And I'm still like, I would be shaking, throwing up, having to call people to get fluids. It's like, how the fuck is this shit even allowed to be prescribed?

They give it like candy.

You should not be allowed to take that shit for more than a week. Like, literally. You had a seizure and you had it for two months.

Two months. Just from cutting it. That's insane. My fan out was high during the seizure, so that fucked up my relationship with weed.

Oh, yeah. It was horrible. I'd be fine. And then the next day, all of a sudden, you're shaking, you can't do anything. You feel like you're dying. It was rough. That is so bad.

They got my dad, too. He had a seizure at my soccer game because he was going through withdrawal.

It's so bad. And you can't even tell sometimes. You're like, I feel okay today. And then the next day, you're withdrawing.

Yeah, it's quick.

For me, it would happen a couple of weeks later, all of a sudden, I'd have a withdrawal. I'm like, I've been taking the same dose for a while.

Because you got to keep upping it. That's the problem.

Yeah, it's just insane. The whole thing is just if you are considering taking Klonopin and Xanax, I would try another outlet or don't continuously take it. It should never be continuously taken like we did. I feel like it's way too much for your body.

Way too much. And my memories were wiped. That's two months.

I don't understand. Oh my God. Yeah. That's another thing, too, is they said that they can give you dementia. They literally said that. They were like, You need to get off of this shit. They asked me. When I came here, I got a different psychiatrist. He's like, Holy shit, I can't believe you've been on that for a year. Yeah.

They don't tell you the side effects when they're prescribing you. No.

You know these things a little bit, but you don't think that you're going to get sick from just taking it as prescribed. Yeah. It's wild.

So the one you take, there's no memory issues?

No, it's not a narcotic or anything like that. Yeah, I don't take any narcotics.

This one just mellows you out?

Yeah. It's a build-up. It's like one of those things you have to keep taking because it stays in your system. That's cool. It's okay.

Well, Dan, it's been a fun episode.

Sorry. We talked about so much random shit.

That's how I think I've ADHD, too. I'm all over the place. But anything you want to close off with here?

Nothing. Just if you had fun, if you want to follow my Instagram. I'm the Dan Dangler on everything. The Dan Dangler on everything.

We'll link your YouTube also. Cool.

Awesome. Perfect.

Thanks for coming on. Thanks for watching, guys. See you next time. Bye.