Transcript of There are two weeks until Election Day. Here’s the latest on the presidential race

With only two weeks left until election day. We're standing by for a Trump rally in the swing state of North Carolina and a Kamala Harris campaign rally in Michigan, led by former President Obama and featuring the rapper M&M. Cnn's Elaina Trina is standing by covering all the latest developments, including the Trump campaign. But first, let's go to CNN's Priscilla Alvarez in the battleground state of Wisconsin, where a democratic event just wrapped up. Priscilla, there's breaking news on this This new interview by the vice president, Kamala Harris. What stood out to you? Yeah, that's exactly right. And what stood out was the vice president's answer to what concessions, if any, she would give to codify Roe. Of course, this has come up on the campaign trail multiple times, but her answer was essentially that she wasn't going to delve into hypotheticals. Take a listen. I don't think we should be making concessions when we're talking about a fundamental freedom to make decisions about your own body. To Republicans like, for example, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, who would back something like this on a Democratic agenda, if in fact, Republicans control Congress, would you offer them an olive branch, or is that off the table?

Is that not an option for you? I'm not going to engage in hypotheticals because we can go on with a variety of scenarios. Now, similarly, she said that she wouldn't engage in hypotheticals. When she was asked whether she would pardon former President Donald Trump if she were elected in November, she was also asked about something that's come up with former President Barack Obama's remarks, whether sexism is what is factoring into some men not wanting to vote for the vice President. She wouldn't engage on that. Instead, keeping the focus on what she has said on the campaign trail about protecting fundamental freedoms. And on that front, Wolf, Reproductive Freedom is going to be featured prominently over the next several days, including later this week, when the vice president is going to go to Texas, a bit of an unusual stop in the final weeks of the election, but where her campaign campaign believes they can amplify the issue of abortion going somewhere that they see as the epicenter of the Trump abortion ban. So that is going to be an event looking forward. But here in Wisconsin, former President Barack Obama appearing with Tim Walsh as the campaign makes this transition now to getting out the vote.

Of course, early voting starting here today. And the resounding message from both the former President and Tim Walsh was for people to get out to vote. So that is going to be much of the focus over the next several days as they also underscore the stakes of the election. Wolf. All right. Priscilla Alvarez reporting for us. Thank you very much. I want to check in now for the latest updates from the Trump campaign. Cnn's Elaina Treen is covering the former President for us. Elaina, so what is Trump saying? Well, Wolf, today, Donald Trump kicked off his day-to-day with a roundtable with Latino leaders. And he talked a lot about the economy, about immigration, about energy, all typical Trump speech, rhetoric. But then he also very much leaned into his attacks on Kamala Harris. He called her low IQ. He said that she isn't very intelligent and demean her in other ways. I want you to take a listen to what he said. She's sleeping right now. She couldn't go on the trail. You think when you have 14 days left, you wouldn't be sleeping. Who the hell takes off? You have 14 days left, and she'll take a couple of more days off, too.

You know why? She's lazy as hell. There's something wrong with her, too. She's slow, low IQ. Now, Wolf, as Priscilla mentioned, Harris today has been doing some interviews and whatnot, but this is something Donald Trump is trying to seize on. As people have noted that he's been canceling his own events. Even today, he canceled a planned appearance with RFK Jr. And others, a virtual appearance, I should say. But I do want to add that this roundtable this morning was really crucial to what the Trump campaign is trying to do right now, which is target any demographic that they think could help them, particularly on the margins. They recognize that this election is going to be incredibly close, and that's why they're trying to not only siphon voters away from the Harris campaign, but also try to turn out low propensity voters. And one key group is not only Latinos, but Latino men. That has been a core focus of them. And you really heard Donald Trump aggressively pursue them during that roundtable this morning. All right. Elaina Treen reporting for us. Elaina, thank you very much. I want to break all of this down with our political experts who are standing by.

And Eva Mcken, let me start with you. Kamala Harris was asked in this new NBC news interview about what she would do if Trump were to declare an early victory in the election before all the votes are even counted. Listen to this. Listen to this. We've got two weeks to go, and I'm very much grounded in the present in terms of the task at hand. We will deal with election night and the days after as they come. We have the resources and the expertise and the focus on that as well. So you have teams ready to go? Is that what you're saying? Are you thinking about that as a possibility? Of course. This is a person, Donald Trump, who tried to undo a free and fair election, who still denies the will of the people, who incited a violent been mobbed to attack the United States Capitol, and 140 law enforcement officers were attacked. Some were killed. This is a serious matter. And, Eva, as you know, Trump earlier today cast doubts on the election results. Let's watch this. Watch this. Let's see what happens because it all doesn't matter because bad things happen. Some very, very bad things happened last time.

But this time we don't have COVID, and it's going to be a lot harder for them to do bad things. So we're going to see. We have tremendous people. We have tremendous. We have a lot of lawyers working. We have lawyers working, numbers of lawyers that nobody's ever seen before because we're not going to play games. Eva, as you know, that's a striking contrast to when the Harris campaign has been trying to play up, right? It is. Her central argument is that the former President is unfit for the presidency, that he exhibits behavior that demeans the office. That is what she often says. To me, this is an appeal not only to disaffected Republicans, because there are going to be Republicans for sure who don't agree with her on a whole host of policy matters. But the argument that they're making is that this election is not that. This is existential. This is about the future and health of our democracy. It's an argument that they can also sell to the left as well, who disagree with her on a whole host of issues, too. But when the former president makes these types of comments, it gives the vice president more fuel to really make this broader argument that she wants to make.

Scott Jennings is with us as well. Scott, how do you see Well, I think number one, he was articulating something that a lot of Republicans have wondered about since 2020, and that is in the 2020 election, there were a lot of rules changes that changed the way people could vote. There was more voting by mail, et cetera, et cetera. Now you don't have that. He's absolutely right. In fact, we're seeing fewer people vote early and by mail in some of the ways they did in 2020. I think that's a true statement. Maybe more people will wind up voting on election day. I think right now, Republicans feel pretty good about where they stand at the end of the election. I think he feels like he's on a trajectory to win. I think people in the party feel like Republicans are turning out in places that they need to turn out. Right now, it's steady as she goes for the Trump campaign. I don't think they have to throw any hail Marries here in the last two weeks to close it out. Mandela Barnes is joining us as well. Mandela, how much does Kamala Harris have to focus on making the case against Trump versus laying out her own positions and own agenda for voters?

Well, I'll just say first that Donald Trump has never really articulated much of anything, and everything he has been saying in these last few days has been a hale marry. But Kamala Harris has to do both. You have to make the appeal and still introduce yourself to the American public, as well as call out Trump's nonsense, who he has been as a President and who he vows to be, if given a second opportunity in the highest office in the land. And I think she's doing both quite well. She's showing up everywhere, doing as much as I've ever seen in any presidential campaign. It's really quite stellar. But for her to be able to win over states like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan, she is going to have to do both at the same time, which feels impossible, but she's done a pretty good job of it so far. Eva, as you know, Harris was also asked about whether she would pardon Trump if he were convicted for more crimes. I want you to listen to this. I'm not going to get into those hypotheticals. I'm focused on the next 14 days. But do you believe, is there any part of you that describes to the argument that has been made in the past, that a pardon could help bring America together, could help unify the country and move on?

Let me tell you what's going to help us move on. I get elected President of the United States. So, Eva, how significant is that? I think I would expect that type of answer from her. If you listen to the vice President closely, she's very precise in her language. She often says that she doesn't like to be off the cuff or speculate because given her history as a prosecutor, she has a firm understanding that the words that she uttered could have dramatic and significant consequences. I don't see her waxing poetic about an issue like that that is so serious. That would require counsel with advisors, prayer, taking the temperature of the country in the moment. I mean, a lot would go into something that serious. I don't even know how appropriate it is to really answer that question at this stage when voters are just starting to vote and we are at least two weeks away from the election even being decided. One of the schemes to undermine the election four years ago involved fake electors. That's people chosen, Trump supporters before the election who were supposed to serve as real electors if Trump won, but he lost.

At the behest of the Trump campaign, these electors signed phony certificates, falsely claiming that Trump won their states anyway, Arizona, and Georgia, and Pennsylvania, and on and on. Trump then tried to use those fake certificates to stay in power by pressuring then Vice President Mike Prince to reject Biden's electors on January sixth in Congress, and then to recognize the fake Republican ones. Republican Georgia State Senator, Sean Still, is one of those fake electors. He's running to keep his state Senate seating Georgia. He was one of the 18 indicted last year in the Georgia election interference case, along with Donald Trump, charged after he filled out paperwork claiming falsely, illegitimately, that Trump carried Georgia in 2020. Still's opponent, Democrat Ashwin Ramaswami, joins us now. Ashwin, thanks for joining us. You worked on election security at CISA, the Cyber Security and Infrastructure Security Agency. You did that for more than three years. Then you decided started to run for office for the state Senate seat. Is there something that you experienced at CISA, trying to protect cybersecurity that made you feel like running for office was the next step? Yeah. So what I saw is after the 2020 election, Donald Trump fired the director of CISA, Chris Krebs.

That's the moment when I realized that more important than just securing our elections or making sure that we have people in power who are going to do the right thing. And that's ultimately That's really why I decided to run, because what I saw was a threat to democracy was greater from my own hometown in John's Creek. Sean Still has been criminally indicted for trying to overturn the election results, whereas we need folks who are going to focus on things like overturning our abortion ban, protecting children in schools. I couldn't stand by and see my community represented by someone with such poor judgment, such poor character. Not only is he criminally indicted, he also lied about being a veteran. He's been attacking me based on my race. I think it's very clear for our voters what the choice looks like and how we need people to focus on the future and on the issues that actually matter to our community. In 2022, Sean Still beat the Democratic candidate, Josh Udin, by about 10,000 votes, even though it was well known at the time that Sean Still was under investigation for election interference. He hadn't been indicted, but people weren't unaware of the fact that there was some shady business going on with him.

What makes you think that you can beat him in a way that the previous Democrat was not able to? Honestly, because this election is about values, one is never too young to actually go and do the right thing. What we've been seeing in this district is a market shift. This district was a '48 Biden district in 2020. In 2022, Raphael Warnock won the seat by just one point in the run-offs. And Asian-Americans, in particular, have gone from becoming the marginalized population in this area to now becoming the margin of victory. And for these folks, what they really care about is honesty, integrity in government. They care about ensuring we have reproductive health care and ensuring that students are safe in our schools. And those are the issues which I'm focusing on. And if you go to ashwinforgeorgia. Com, you can learn more about why I'm fighting for those issues. And that's exactly what voters are seeing when they're seeing the contrast between me and my fake elector opponent. All right, Ashwin Ramaswami, thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it. You're looking at live pictures out of Greensboro, North Carolina, where former President Trump is speaking at a campaign rally.

Now, a win for Trump in North Carolina is pretty... It's as close to a must win as it gets for his path to 270. And both campaigns tonight are focusing their efforts on turning out every single vote, not just there, but across the battlegrounds. And in Pennsylvania, who wins or loses may come down to this key group of voters. And Dana Basch is out front. This is an app that you have that tells you where the homes of the Jewish Pennsylvania voters. This leafy Philly suburb of Vallekinwood has a sizable Jewish population, one that usually votes big for Democrats. The Trump campaign is trying to chip away at that. You are walking the streets, knocking on doors. I'm in Pennsylvania till November sixth. To get Donald Trump elected. To get Donald Trump elected. As a Democrat. As a Democrat. Not just any Democrat. Peter Deutz is a former Democratic congressman from Florida. I think Donald Trump and the Republican Party have done things that the Democrats have not done, being aggressive against the outrageous, almost insane level of anti-Semitism on college campuses. The deep pocketed Republican Jewish coalition has a data-driven strategy to find Jewish voters open to Donald Trump, like Claude Schoenberg, and make sure they vote.

I thought Donald Trump did magnificent things, starting with moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Only a block down the road at this exact moment movement, Jews for Kamala Harris gather in a sukah, a structure used during the week-long Jewish Festival of Sukot. Now it is time to knock doors. The women, particularly Jewish women, we're talking to, abortion rights is number one right up there with Israel. The Jewish population in America is small, little more than 2%. In swing states likely to be decided on the margins, all demographics matter. And Pennsylvania is the battleground with the highest concentration of Jewish voters, about 300,000, according to data by Brandeis University. The election is extremely close, and the Jewish vote is an essential part of a winning democratic coalition. Since the brutal October seventh terror attack in Israel and spike in anti-Semitism, many Jews in America feel unsettled, and the Republican Jewish coalition is spending an unprecedented $15 million this cycle with ads like this. What about Kamala? Busy defending the squad. I've a Trump I never cared for, but at least it'll keep us safe. You don't have to like Donald Trump, but Donald Trump will keep the Jewish community safe.

You don't have to like Donald Trump. That's quite a message. Look, I think that's the reality, right? Haley Soyfer, with the Jewish Democratic Coalition, calls that cynical and misleading. He's bolden and incited and aligned with and dined with anti-Semites. He also scapegoated the Jewish people. She's referring to this. If I don't win this election and the Jewish people would really have a lot to do with that. I don't think he was scapegoating. I think he said it a little differently than I would have said it. Are you telling me right now that if Donald Trump loses, he will not blame the Jews? I don't think it's going to be an issue because I think we're going to significantly increase the share of the Jewish vote. Jewish Democrats are up with this ad. We do have a champion, a partner, and a defender of our community, our freedom, and our values in Kamala Harris. Trying to sway voters like Jill and Harry Wilner. If she was here right now, we were having a cup of coffee, I would say, So Kamala, what's going to be? Especially the anti-Semitism. It's scaring the heck out of me. I am totally undecided.

Why are you so undecided? I don't trust either candidate. I am very concerned, of course, Israel's number one on my list. He is a horrible individual. He doesn't shut up. Kamala, I'm not sure what she's going to I don't know what lever I'm going to pull when I go to the booth. I joke about it. I'm going to sign my own name or we're going to move to Greenland, one or the other. Dana, it's just fascinating all these different conversations that you had. When you actually look at the numbers and you look at a state like Pennsylvania, could the Jewish vote determine the election there? It really could, Erin. If you go back to the piece, I mentioned that there are about 300,000 Jewish voters believed to be Pennsylvania. If you think about the margins, back in 2016, Donald Trump won by about 44,000. In 2020, Joe Biden won by about 82,000. So if you think about the Jewish vote in Pennsylvania, and knowing that it largely has gone for Democrats, historically, really for decades, not Breaking news, Kamala Harris in a new interview tonight, trying to make the case that Donald Trump doesn't care about the American people.

She sat down tonight with NBC. She had two interviews today, and this is obviously two weeks to the day before the election. The race is neck and neck, according to the polls. Here is what she said. We all deserve to have a President who is focused on solutions and not just fanning the flames of division and hate. That's part of why people are exhausted with Donald Trump and his approach, because it's all about himself and his personal grievances and not about the American people. All right, everyone's back with me. So, Fred, that message, she's really pounding the table on that. Is that going to move the needle right now with base voters or with voters who may end up deciding this election in those crucial states? Well, I think so because really for two reasons. Number one, so many people, including the Trump folks said that she was not doing enough interviews and people needed to hear from her. And so she's doing that. And so this format is great for that. But then secondly, she's making the case, I think in a very cogent and calm and strong way, that Donald Trump is a threat and that America needs to look forward.

Listen, the American electorate is inherently a positive, forward-thinking electorate, and I think she's tapping into that as opposed to the desire to be negative and to go back in time, which is what Donald Trump is selling. Optimism. I mean, look, a country known for optimism. Margaret, there's another exchange in the interview where she's asked about her defense of Joe Biden after his debate in June and why she stood by him. Were you honest with the American public about his state of mind and if she was up front with Americans about what she saw. Here's that exchange. Can you say that you were honest with the American people about what you saw in those moments with President Biden as you were with him again and again, repeatedly in that time? Of Of course. Joe Biden is an extremely accomplished, experienced, and capable in every way that anyone would want if they're President. You never saw anything like what happened at the debate night behind closed doors with him? It was a bad debate. People have bad debates. He is absolutely-But that's the reason why you're here, and he's not running for the top of the ticket.

Well, you'd have to ask him if that's the only reason why. What do you think? I am running for President of the United States. Joe Biden is not. Does she need a better answer than that? That is a little confusing, actually, to me. I mean, I find it a little bit confusing that people presume you're the vice President. Your hall is right down the office. Your office is right down the hall from the oval office. You have lunch with the President once a week. She could have a better answer for that. Fred, do you agree? I think she said what she said. She's the vice president. She's extremely loyal to him. I think the point that she made is accurate that he had a bad debate. People have bad debates. Obama had a bad debate in 2012. That didn't make him a bad President. No, it did change the course of history, though, one way or the other. It did. Mark, Harris was also asked about Elon Musk going all in to help Trump win. We know we got this $100 million. I don't think there'll be that many of them, obviously, it's one a day.

So $1 million a day to a registered voter in the battleground states. So here's what Harris had to say about Musk tonight. Do you worry that it could be effective, his support for former President Trump in that key battleground? Listen, I'm not about doing it, gimmicks and all of that. I think that what we have to do and what I'm going to continue to do, is to be out in communities. Mark, do you think this is a gimmick? Do you think Elon's actually moving needle? Well, if it gets people to register to vote, I think it's encouraging people to participate in democracy. The one thing I do find hilarious is that when Mark Zuckerberg puts hundreds of millions of dollars into the 2020 election and into actual election offices, Democrats love it, but when there's a conservative or someone who's so supportive of Conservatives, they hate it. I mean, it's a double standard. We've got the richest man in the world. They've got one of the top three or probably the rest of the top five. It's a complete false equivalency, though. I mean, what Elon is doing is paying people to register, and it's also a campaign finance violation.

So he's actually got a legal suit on his bottom. They were paying people to count votes. No, you and I both know, billionaires on both sides are flushing huge amounts of money into C store shadow operations in order to try to influence this election. So it is not like there's only one on one side and there's a zillion on the other. That is just not true. All right, Fred, there was one other thing in that she did two interviews today, as I said. No rallies, no public offense. You You were celebrating her for doing interviews. But the reason I put the context around it, that she did the interviews and no rallies or public events, is because Trump has seized on that and talked about her schedule today. He just said this, Fred. I was going to hit her really hard on the trail today, but now I don't have to because she's off. She's off. No, I can't get home for it. Who the hell takes off? You have 14 days left, and she'll take a couple of more days off, too. You know why? She's lazy as hell, and she He's got that reputation.

Fred? There are two things about this. First, it's good to see Donald Trump after all of the interviews he canceled last week. He doesn't want to talk about that, but I just want to remind America he canceled 60 Minutes and several other interviews. The second thing I want to say is shame on Donald Trump for continuing to peddle racist tropes by talking about a woman and a person of color using racist terms like she's lazy and she's not out here working. Listen, he complained that she wasn't doing interviews. She's doing that. He complained that she wasn't doing enough rallies. She did that. She was here in Atlanta all weekend long, going across the Metropolitan area, going to church services, attending rallies. She's back again this week. The fact that she paused today to do two interviews and reach millions of Americans, I think is smart. I appreciate the fact that she, unlike Donald Trump, didn't cancel them or stage an event at a closed McDonald's to try to get a little attention. Racist tropes, Mark? I mean, that's just the standard defense. If you ever attack her, you're racist, you're misogynist. It has nothing to do with that.

We're 14 days away. She took the day off to prepare for two interviews, which she shouldn't have needed to do. You could have done a couple of rallies, have the reporters go out there on the campaign trail, interview you backstage. We did that in 2016. We do it in 2020. I question it. She needs to be in the battleground states with two weeks to go, especially when she's performing 5 to 6 % behind where Joe Biden was in 2020. Well, we'll see. I mean, these polls, I mean, gosh, nobody seems to really know. The former President's one-time Chief of Staff, retired four-star Marine Corps general, John Kelly, criticizing his former boss in two separate interviews just 14 days before the election. Here's what Kelly told The New York Times about what he says is Trump's positive comments about Adolf Hitler. He would give you comments more than once that Hitler did some good things, too. And of course, if you know history, again, I think he's lacking in that. But if you know what Hitler was all about, it would be pretty hard to make an argument that he did anything good. Trump's communications director, Stephen Cheung, who just waved in on the Times interview, quoting him now, John Kelly has totally beclowned himself with these debunked stories he has fabricated because he failed to serve his President well while working as chief of staff and currently suffers from a debilitating case of Trump derangement syndrome.

Junk goes on, President Trump has always honored the service and sacrifice of all our military men and women, whereas Kamal Harris has completely disrespected the families of those who gave the ultimate sacrifice, including the Abbeygate 13. In separate reporting by The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg today, two sources say that then President Trump once privately said, I need the generals Hitler had. The Trump campaign has denied those allegations as well. Join me now by Senator Bernie Sanders, who sits on the Veterans Affairs Committee. Senator, first of all, just your response to this Atlantic article on what General Kelly is saying about the former President. Have you ever seen a situation where you have a former A highly respected Marine general, former Chief of Staff, coming forward, saying something like this, just like General Mark Millie did, former Chairman of the Chief of Staff? Right. Look, what you have, and I think it's important for Republicans and Conservatives to understand this, it's not just John Kelly, his former chief of staff. It is Mike Pence, who was his vice president for four years, unprecedented to saying, Mike Pence is not going to vote for Donald Trump. It is Dick Cheney, one of the most conservative vice presidents in American history, and his daughter Liz Cheney, not voting for Donald Trump.

It is Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican candidate for President, not voting for Donald Trump. Why is that? It's not only just policy issues, it is the fact that they understand by temperament and character. This man is unfit to be President of the United States. He is a pathological liar. For the first time in American history, he tried to prevent a peaceful transfer of power and fomented an insurrection to try to deny the election results of 2020. Before you even get into policies like climate change or minimum wage or housing or anything else, health care, I think it's just a no-brainer that Donald Trump should not be elected President of the United States. General Kelly confirmed to the New York Times that Trump calls service members who were injured or killed, Suckers and losers, including applying those terms to Senator John McCain. You served with the late Senator McCain. Do you believe John Kelly? Yeah, I do. I know John slightly, and I knew John McCain fairly well, and John and I disagreed about everything, but we were friends, actually, and I liked him very much. An honest, straightforward guy who obviously served his country heroically, was a prisoner of war, and deserves our deepest respect.

Here's somebody who was disrespected by Trump, I suspect, because he cast, McCain cast a deciding vote to protect the affordable Will Care Act. But I think in Trump, you have somebody who is power hungry, who has very, very strong authoritarian tendencies, who does not believe in democracy. No matter what Whatever your views are, I don't care if you're a conservative, progressive, or whatever you may be, this is not a guy we should be supporting to be President of the United States. What do you think Vice President Harris needs to do in this next 13, 14-day period. Reuters is reporting that the Harris campaign is in talks with the Joe Rogan podcast. I know you've gone on that podcast. You go and speak at a lot of places. I saw you recently on Fox. Do you think she should go on that? I even did the Anderson Cooper show. I No, you're even here. I appreciate it. Look, I think it doesn't hurt. Trump is all over the place, and I think it doesn't hurt. Get out there. Answer the questions. But I think also, and she's been making some progress in this area, I think she's got to be stronger on economic issues.

It pains me very much as somebody who grew up in a working-class family that lived paycheck to paycheck to see working-class people supporting Donald Trump, who's going to work day and night, not for workers, but for the billionaire class. So recently, Kamala has said, for example, which is a good thing, that she wants to expand Medicare to cover home health care. I don't know, Anderson, if you study the issue. Disastres. Elderly people, disabled people want to stay in their homes, force them to nursing homes because they can't pay for the home health care. The cost is astronomical. She wants to spend Medicare to cover home. Astronomical. That's a big deal. She wants to cover vision and hearing. I would like her to cover dental as well. But it's a big, big deal that she's willing to do that. Just the other day, today, I think, she announced her support for raising the minimum wage to at least $15 an hour. I would go higher than that. But you got millions of workers in America today who are trying to get by on 10, 12, 13 bucks an hour. I don't care if you're in rural Wyoming or if you're in New York City.

You can't make it on 12, 13 bucks an hour. We got to raise the minimum wage. She wants at least 15. It's a step forward. Vice President Harris was campaigning yesterday with former congressman Liz Cheney. Are you Are you concerned at all that endorsements like the Cheney's intended to bring in moderate Republicans might alienate progressives? I don't think so. We're talking about two different things. Liz Cheney and I disagree on every single thing. You name it, we disagree. The one area where we don't disagree is she happens to believe in American democracy and the rule of law. That's why she has been so opposed to Donald Trump and supporting Kamla. I respect that. She has taken enormous Thomas Flack, one of the Republicans, her fellow Republicans. But what I think you're seeing now is many Republicans saying, You know what? I disagree with Kamla on the issues, but we cannot have somebody as vulgar as Donald Trump as President, somebody who lies all the time, somebody who does not believe in the foundations of American democracy. I respect Republicans for having the courage to do that. Liz Cheney and I will argue about every issue in the world.

I'm right, she's wrong. But that's called the democratic process. That's what we do. We don't try to deny election results. That's authoritarianism. Senator Sanders, I appreciate your time on this really busy night. Thank you very much. Thank you.