Transcript of D’Arcy Carden

Oh, poor Darcy Card. I haven't met her yet, but she's playing this, I guess, a robot in the good place. Welcome to where Everybody knows your name. If it's your first time joining us, happy to have you. And if you're a regular, nice to know you're out there listening. Thank you. Today on the show, I have the joy of speaking with an old coworker of mine. And by that mean, yeah, maybe I shouldn't say old coworker, a very young, nimble coworker of mine, the delightful, and maybe I shouldn't say nimble. Anyway, the delightful Darcy Cardon, who you may know as Janet from the Good Place. I remember the second week of shooting with Darcy on the Good Place who played the universal computer that knows all in the of The Good Place. I thought, Oh, poor Darcy, what a boring part. She's just going to be playing this computer all the time. Turned out, she became the major takeaway hit of the show and is just a remarkable actor, and it was so much fun to catch up with her. I'm just delighted to introduce you to Darcy Carton. Hi, friend. Hi, friend. But you walked in and said that you threw the first pitch out.

I say that in every room that I walk into. That's all right.

I don't know this story. Will you tell me? Yeah.

Two years ago, I was filming a League of Their Own in Pittsburgh, which is a baseball TV show. The pirates contacted me to throw out the first pitch, which was like a lifelong dream. Really? Yeah. You had that dream. Well, this is a funny thing. I'm going to go like this. Is that scary? Okay, I moved the microphone. My dad threw out a first pitch in the '80s or '90s, and I remember thinking like, that's the coolest thing that anybody's dad has ever done.

See, this is why I love doing a podcast. I learn things about you, even though we've hung out.

We've known each other We worked together every day for four years and all of that. I know. Wow. I know. We had this cool picture of my dad mid-pitch, and I just remember. He must have been nervous or something because he didn't invite us. He went after work one day.

Was this Pirates as well?

This was the Oakland A's. Oakland A's?

Oh, my God. Why him? I understand you because of the TV show.

My dad had a music magazine, a Bay Area music magazine called Bam magazine in the '70s, '80s, and '90s. He was a music industry guy and also a big A's fan. I don't know if that had anything to do with it. Anyway, it was really exciting. But I don't know. I mean, weird things like that would to my dad. He was in that world without being a Hollywood guy.

Kind of like Zellig would appear in the most amazing places.

Totally. He would Yeah, just... He's a really likable, friendly, outgoing guy. People just liked him. Because he was in the music business and the magazine business- In the '70s. In the '70s and the '80s. Which was Which was where that was the time. That was it. Yeah. He got to do cool things.

Now, let me go to you. Go to me. Back to the pitching part. You as... Well, no. Was it overhand? It was over. It was...

Okay, let's see. Wait.

Historically in that period, women's baseball.

It was overhand for pitch. Yeah, it was all overhand. Yeah. But what did I do? I did overhand. Because I played softball in through high school, and I pitched a little bit. Actually, I'm a pretty good pitcher. But there's a point when you're playing softball where you go from being like, all you need to do to be a good pitcher is be accurate and get it across the plate and hit the... Just be accurate. There's a point, I think, around age 13, where all of a sudden girls are like, Whipping it. Whipping it. I wasn't really a Whipping it type of pitcher. Then I was like, I'll be a first base. I think for the Pittsburgh pirate pitch. I think it was overhand.

How did you do?

Let me tell you. I did fine, but I still have a little bit of shame because I think I was so afraid of throwing it. First of all, have you ever done this? No. Okay.

No. Okay. I mean, thank God.

I watched a bunch of videos on YouTube of people doing this, and you can see they get either overly confident or nervous. They throw to a different continent. They throw so far the wrong way. I was thinking like, Oh, don't… Just because I think, Oh, I can do this. I know how to do this. I was shooting League of the Own at the time, so we were, I want to say, rehearsing, yeah, playing, practicing all the time. I was really nervous about getting too excited and throwing it the wrong direction. I wimped it a little bit. It was- Did it go over the plate? Yeah, I guess. It just wasn't that good. It was fine. But I am so competitive about sports. I really wanted to blow everybody's mind. Then when it just went, I wanted to take the microphone and be like, But I could do better. Hey, everybody, you want to see that again? You want a second chance right away. But it was really fun. My whole cast came and watched, and it was really a cute day.

They came to Pittsburgh?

So we were all in Pittsburgh shooting. And so, yeah, it was just a glorious little Sunday, and everybody came, and we had a box, and everybody got a little drunk, and it was really fun. That was a really good memory.

That's sweet. Can I go back? Beep, beep, beep, beep. Okay, so let me just get this out of the way. My understanding is that you never watched any of the Cheers episodes when they air live. Am I? Is that right? You didn't, did you?

Don't be mad at me. Yeah, not really. My older sister, Lainey- When were you born? 1980.

Okay. So I was- So when I started Cheers, you were two. Yeah.

So what was I going to do? Be a little two-year-old toddler watching goddamn still alone. I don't know.

You could have found a way, probably.

I guess so, right? Yeah. My grandma, Anita, and my older sister, Lainey, they would watch it. To me, it was like a grown-up show. It was, in I guess for a four-year-old. Laine was just a couple of years older than me, but that was very in line with Lanie, being a little adult and watching TV with grandma. I'm like, You don't understand these jokes. I'm I remember everyone you've ever met has told you which family member had the biggest crush on you, but by grandma, Anita was really into you. That's so cool. Really into you and George Michael.

Can we go back and just say how old your grandmother was when she was watching Shears? Let's see.

Yeah, I think so more. Maybe 30.

Yeah, okay, good.

25.

It was so over the years, it's so funny to watch, Hey, I think you're really good on Shears. Then, Hey, my older sister thing. Hey, my mom. My grandparents. I just love you.

I know. Which is great. I know. Sure. I know. Yeah. No one wants to hear that. No, you love it.

Are you a little embarrassed to be sitting here talking with me with headphones on, knowing we're being recorded?

A little bit. It's a little weird, isn't it? Just because I love nothing more than talking to you. When I think of our four years in the Good Place, we had so many scenes where it was just the two of us. I know. And what, listeners, you may or may not know this, but there's so much downtime when you're shooting a show that if we had three scenes to shoot that day, we were probably sitting in our chairs next to each other for hours.

But also when you're doing that, you are keeping the mood of what you're about to do. I have trouble having deep, deep conversations knowing that in a second, you're going to be pulled up. We're ready for you.

Totally. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. But I just love talking to you a lot, but we've never really done headphones, microphone talks.

Here's the best part about doing a podcast. I know I love you. I I know a lot of maybe surfacey things about you, but I don't really know your history.

Because why would I ever? Why would we ever?

But you have this amazing music background. I know. I mean, your daddy was in that world.

I know. It was really... It was just... What a cool way to grow up. I almost can't think of a cooler way to grow up unless your dad was Walt Disney or something.

Mine, no. No? No. A Walt Disney character.

Yeah, but that would be cool, too. It was just such a fun... I mean, getting to be a kid and going to concerts all the time and being in... But being hidden. It wasn't like my dad was a rock star, a reconna… My dad wasn't… I don't know who am I even thinking of, Tom Petty or whatever. We could just be in backstage or be in the background and observe everything. It just was cool. As an I mean, I appreciated it when I was a kid, but really as an adult, looking back, the fact that my parents really included my four siblings, my three siblings, the four of us, was really cool.

I love that your first concert was Huey Lewis in the news when you were four. At four, you were so much more hip than I am.

I know. I'm sure that was, again, my older sister who's two years older, so she would have been six. I'm sure that was them thinking she was old enough for a concert and me being like, I got to come, too, Mom. I know all the songs.

Tell me, I'm sorry, these are things I just found out about you.

Let me tell you. There's a weird little Huey Lewis story. Oh, good. We saw him in concert a bunch. That was a really good Bay Area band, and they were really friendly with my parents. I think my parents had come up with them at the same time. They have a lot of great Huey Lewis and the news stories. But at this one, so this was my first concert, and I'm four, so don't quote me on it as far as… I don't fully remember this, but everybody around me did. That apparently, Huey was not pleased with his performance and was bummed in backstage. After the show, there's a green room and everybody's hanging out, but everybody's like, Where's Huey? Where's Huey? Everyone's like, Oh, he's taking a moment because he didn't love that show. A few minutes later, he comes out. He comes down the hallway and I'm holding his hand. He basically was like, I cheered him up. Little four-year-old Darcy had gone in to wherever the hell he was.

Just coincidentally or had you heard it was bombed and you thought- I couldn't have known that.

I couldn't have. I mean, that's what it seems like in my mind. That little superhero kid was like, I'll cheer him up with the Good Ship lollypop song or something like that. But I think I really just probably had no- A great story. Yeah. He was always really great to my family. It was such a fun thing to check in with getting to see somebody on stage. What a cool thing. Getting to see. I love… I'm still addicted to seeing concerts. I can't resist. Even though parking sucks and tickets are expensive and there's a work day the next day, I have something inside of me where I feel like I can't miss it. I go to everything, and I think that has a lot to do with the way I grew up. It was almost like church or something. I don't know. I don't know what that was, but I still definitely have that.

God, that's so wonderful. I had the opposite. I grew up listening to classical music that my mother would put on the record player or South Pacific, Oklahoma. That was it. I had no pop culture. I was the I went to Stanford, and I was halfway to Monterey for this, I don't know, concert somebody told me about. Halfway there, I went, Oh, this is a long drive, and I'm tired. I'm turning around. Oh, no. I totally miss the Monterey Pop Festival.

The only person. That's me. I'm tired of this. It's not that long. Two hours, maybe.

Yeah, two hours. Ten. I also was at a freshman dorm party, and Janice Joplin, who I didn't know, and probably not that many people did at that time because it was a freshman dorm party. I guess she came and sang. I was this close as I am to you right now. My reaction was, wow, she's going to fuck up her voice.

She's screaming.

The '60s went right over my head. It was wasted on me. Yeah, that's good.

That's probably good. That's why you're here today. Yeah. Stanford for basketball. Yeah. But,. Kind of.

Stepped out on the court, looked around and went, oh, shit. Turned around, walked out. Very sad.

Well, again, look where you are now.

It was my gage, though, on what was worthwhile in life. Because of team, sport, I think I grew up in the acting world, loving ensemble. Me, too. I really love ensemble. There are many reasons why I'm not Tom Cruise, not just my love of ensemble, but I do truly love my lot in life. I love it.

I am exactly the same. I credit a lot of that to sports, too, of just loving being on a team. We're cool.

We're so cool, but we're tall, which is why we're so cool.

Yeah, we are so tall. Exactly. I mean, not to get ahead of myself, but I really... Okay, I'm basically talking to the Listener, not to you because I can't look at you when I say stuff like this. But getting... Okay, Listener. Imagine getting cast in a show like The Good Place. I had never met Ted before. I loved him forever. Then not only is he incredibly nice and incredibly cool, but he… This is a weird thing that I couldn't have even expected. Guys, he. He loves acting. You love acting. There's something that I honestly could cry right now, and I don't want to because sometimes you make me cry without even meaning to it. But it's such a gift to remember why we do this because it's It's not... If you're going to spend your life acting, there's so much bad about it. There's so many ups and downs. There's so much no. To remember the child childhood love of acting when you're on a big Hollywood set like The Good Place is such a gift. It's hard to even put into words. It was such a gift, and I feel like you shaped, you reshaped me.

Now look at me and keep going. I want to see if you cry. No, you're not crying. Same back to you, by the way. You know what I love, and you are full of it? Enthusiasm. Enthusiasm for life, enthusiasm for acting, and the willingness to say yes, are some of my favorite qualities in people, and you're chock-full of that.

You're the same. Really. I mean, just the... I cannot I will not tell you how lucky I feel that we got to work together. Me too. Really. Me too. Yeah, you changed my life.

Although I was a little thinking, poor Darcy Cardan. I haven't met her yet, but she's playing this, I guess, a robot? In the good place. I think she's going to get bored very quickly. Yeah, very one note. It turns out to be one of the most iconic parts on television.

I love that. I love that so much.

Just so you know, I was dead set against Sherley Long playing Diane Chambers, too. When I first met her, I thought, Oh, no. This is not right. No, right. She was like, through the roof, brilliant.

Oh, yeah. Wait, let's go back a little bit. Hey, I'm running this. Okay, sure.

Let's go back a little. Okay, go ahead. You first.

You asked about Cheers. While I I didn't watch it as a kid. As a two-year-old. Yeah, as a two-year-old. Jason, my lovely husband, who you know and love. I do. We watched it during the pandemic.

You even took a photo and sent it to me of you guys sitting on your counter. It was great.

Eating dinner, watching chairs. You need it. If you go back to 2020, March, whatever, you just needed something to get through the day. You needed something to look forward to. We decided we didn't want to binge it. We wanted to watch one episode a night, which is not long. That's 25 minutes. But we would make dinner and we would sit down and watch one episode. It was one of my favorite things that we would do. We would walk our dog and we would watch Cheers. Those were the two things I would look forward to all day. What a time. What a time. It was great. I would have to resist texting you every day like, Holy shit, Ted, you're good. You're real good.

You know what I did when I saw the pilot? What? I pulled Jimmy Burrows aside and started crying because I thought I was so bad. Oh, my God. And he looked at me for about two seconds, then started laughing and walked away in the opposite direction. Never addressed me. He just started laughing and walked away.

What a thing. I mean, we could talk about cheers for hours. I know, I know, I know. But what a thing to be a part of I mean, holy crap.

It dawned on me years after the fact went, Holy moly, I got to play Sam Malone.

Basically, you did a play. It was like a play. I mean, it's one room, sometimes two, sometimes three. But you were... I mean, that's the other thing Jason and I would watch and marvel at. It was like you guys were doing a 30-minute play.

We felt like that, too.

I'm so jealous. That's incredible.

In the beginning, the For three or four years, no one messed up a line. It was just we were doing a play. Don't mess up the line.

That changed. I bet. That's going to change. But we just were in love with each character and your chemistry with Shelle. I mean, it was just... I also got a weird '80s crush on you, and I was like, That can't happen.

She's looking at me and crying again.

By the way, this is the right time to say, my wife, Mary Steenbridge, and loves you so much.

I love her so much. And said to say hi.

I love her so much. Actually, for the rest of the podcast, let's just get our calendars out and figure out when we're going to have dinner.

We are. How did the little girl that pulled Huey Louis out of his funk and also went backstage at Annie at age six and gave the lead actress a pat on the fanny, like good job or something. Maybe a slap more than.

Was it slap? I think I really spanked her.

Do that for me. Did you?

I really... I saw Annie, and it was one of the first big plays I had ever seen, big musicals. I tend to, still to this day, get really lost in whatever I'm watching. I really go to a different planet. When we were backstage meeting the cast, the wonderful, amazing actress who was playing Ms. Hanigan was bent over talking to a little kid. I walked up behind her and I smacked her hard on the butt, to be like, I'm an orphan, too. I'm in this world with you. That poor woman, I'm sure she was like, get this kid the hell away from me. But she played along. Or maybe it's her favorite story.

And then how did you go? All right, so get us to when you first start, oh, I'm getting paid to act or, Oh, I want to go off and be funny. I read that you were into musical comedy and you explored that. But what happened when you went, Oh, this is what I want to do, and I want to make people laugh, and I want to be that?

The laughing thing, it's funny because I started acting young. I was doing community theater and plays anywhere I could get my hands on it. That's not how that You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But it wasn't... I guess looking back, I was often getting cast in funny roles, but I wasn't really thinking that I was the funny actor. Right. Went to school for Shakespeare and Where'd you do that? Southern Oregon University in Ashtland, Oregon. Where they had the Shakespeare Festival. It was really a heavily Shakespeare-y education. Then right after college, moved to New York with the intentions of doing theater. I had done a lot of musical theater and was loving it and had a bunch of friends that lived in New York that were doing musical theater and that were on Broadway. That really felt like that was what was going to be my path or my goal, at least. It's hard, as you know and as every actor knows, and as everybody knows. It's just a hard career. Really, the first year of living in New York, all the audition, nothing was going right. I was having a great time, but nothing was happening for me at all.

Some creepy student film somewhere and some weird... It just... Nothing was happening for me. God, I wonder where the footage of that Or how famous that creepy kid is now. I don't think he was very... I don't know. I just went somewhere. Then a friend took me to see a show at the Operate Citizens Brigade in New York, and truly, in a life-changing way, watched their show, their flagship show, ASCAT, and signed up for class the next day.

Describe UCB.

Yeah, it's an improv, and it's a comedy, theater, and school, founded by Amy Poehler and three dudes that you also know. How cool is that? I know. Ian Roberts, Matt Besser, and Matt Walsh. Yeah, it was just... It was like, what a scene. I would say every third actor that you love, maybe every fifth actor that you love in a comedy on TV came from UCB. Tv. It was this amazing wealth of talent. But when I started there, it wasn't a sure path to TV at all. It was just a really cool comedy theater that I was hyper fixated on and wanted to get to the top of. It was almost like my career goals shifted to just this theater.

How did you feed yourself? Because that doesn't pay in the beginning, at least.

Yeah, it didn't pay at all. I was a really good nanny. I was a waitress, and I was a temp, and I was a lot of things. But then when I started nannying, I was like, Oh, but I love this. I love nannying, so I'm going to just quit all those other jobs. Instead of, Oh, God, I remember temping at all these offices, and I had this little black suit in all these little button-up shirts, and I would get a temp job at some hideous office, and I would have to put on my suit, and it was putting on, I don't know, putting on my death.Your funeral outfit.Yes, exactly. It felt like a costume. It didn't look good. I just hated it. It wasn't me. I would walk into these offices and do my little job. It just was soul-sucking completely. When I was nannying, I was really happy. That's how I-How long did you do that? I did that For 10 years.

While you were going in the evenings?

Exactly. I would nanny during the day, and then I would do shows and rehearsals at night. Ucb was so all-consuming that we would... I was a part I have one sketch team that would start our tech rehearsal. This would be once a month. We would start our technical rehearsal at midnight. We would start it at midnight after all the shows were done. That was the only time the theater was free or something. Although thinking back, I'm like, Well, it It was free during the day. Everybody's just asleep, I guess. Then I would wait. When I think of my tech- Who's we would do your tech rehearsals?

What do you mean?

My sketch group that I was in. Some of which, let me just think real quick. Brandon Scott Jones, who was on our show, The Good Place. Wonderful. Wonderful. One of my best friends. A bunch of Chris Kelly, a writer who created the show, The Other Two. A lot of really cool talent came from that theater. I would be doing shows there every night. When I think of my 10 or 11 years in New York, I think of somehow, and this is why you live in New York in your 20s, I think, I just never slept. I would sleep for five hours I'd come home. We lived in Brooklyn, so it was a far... I would travel far to go, nanny. I just never slept. I would pack a gigantic backpack full of nanny stuff into rehearsal stuff into what I was going to wear for the show that night into a different pair of shoes and maybe an umbrella.

I just-Jump on the subway. Yeah.

I know. It was fun, though. It was really fun.

Next? What happened next?

Then New York was great.

This is pre-Jason? This is during Jason. So you met Jason at UCB?

I met him when I was doing UCB. I met him when I was doing UCB.

Did he know what he wanted to do? Was he doing it?

We actually doing a play. He was an actor and I was an actor. We did a play in the Bay Area, just a random play, while he was living in LA and I was living in New York. Then I guess the fast forward version of that is when we started dating and moved to New York. His day job was working in a production house. He was doing producer-y things, and that's what he was falling in love with. He was a great actor. I loved acting with him. I miss acting with him. But I have this memory of him producing producing a little web series that we were in. On the days that he had to do the acting, he was miserable. He loved producing. Then he'd be like, Oh, shit. Okay, what are my lines? Then he realized, Oh, maybe I really like producing. That's what he's been doing now for so long. But we were struggling and figuring it out together. It's fun. I How do I say this? There have been some wonderful, crazy, exciting, extravagant moments in our life in the last five, six, seven years. It's very fun to look at him and be like, remember when we lived?

The walk up of the top floor of some shitty little apartment. We had a bed that touched all four walls, the tiniest little bed. It's nice to be able to look at him. It is.

If you came into it, I think for the right reasons, which is passion, and I've got to, and whatever this process is, whatever this tribe is I want to join, is everything. Because that doesn't go away. I mean, don't you still feel that way about going to work?

Yes, totally. Yes, completely. Especially when you're surrounded by people that feel that way, too.

Which you tend to do. I think that's what you attract. At a certain point, you attract that if that's what you love.

I think so. I mean, I almost... Not to say I don't have time for it because I love to act and money is great. It's fun when they pay you. But I would rather not do it. I would rather not do it if it wasn't with people that feel that way. It's such a heartbreak.

It is. It is a heartbreak. Trying to think if I'm really that pure.

I know. No, I think you are. Okay. Okay. You are. You surround yourself with I know you think about that because we've talked about it. I know you think about that when picking things and saying yes to things.

I think God knows I'm not great with choice, the acting God. Because I usually do what is next offered to me. And by and large, I've been blessed by amazing writing, which attracts really good directors, which attracts great cast. And I've led a magical life that way. I don't have a stack of scripts going, I'll do this one.

I don't believe that, but I know you're telling the truth. No, it's true.

I'm sure stuff gets weaved out by my agent or my manager or whatever. But by and large, I'm blessed that way.

I really am. You don't have to say any project, but when you look back, do you have a movie or a show that was offered to you that you didn't say yes to that year? No.

That you're like, damn it. No, I have no regrets. I mean, yes, I'm a joy junkie. I train myself to be joyful, even if I have to fake it to make it, but I always do about whatever it is I'm working on. I'll tell you one of the... This is terrible. This is going to sound like I'm making a comparison. I'm not. But one of the hardest jobs I ever did was CSI. Yeah, I bet. It's just really, really, really hard because you didn't have room to be funny. Because if you're funny at the end of the scene, which is where you sometimes can improvise some funny stuff at the end of scenes, then the audience forgets about the perforated gall bladder that the guy got up. So they went, No jokes at the end. No. No jokes at the end.

Please. It was hard. The things you're memorizing are not... It's almost like a different language.

If I had to say vaginal tear or blood splatter, it was like, really. They were really good at making prosthetic, charred people to stare at while you're talking.

How many years did you do that?

I did four. The people were wonderful. The cast was great. The writers were sweet and kind. The world watched it. But it was hard. I bet. I need to be silly.

I know. You're really good at being silly. Give me silly. Yeah, give me silly. Please. I know. I know. You're really, really good at being silly.

All right, let's jump just around. Okay. Let's talk about the good place.

Okay.

I love it. To me, it's one of my favorite things I've ever been blessed to do.

That's It was so exciting to hear because it was my first thing, really. I was like, holy shit, this is amazing. At my first meeting with Mike, I was like, I think this guy is incredible.

No, do that. Do how you How I got there. Oh, yeah, how I got there.

Okay, I'll do that really quick. I had moved to LA, and I had been here for a few years and was auditioning here and there, but nothing, just your regular shit. I wasn't getting anything. I wasn't getting anything. I had a teeny little part on a show called Broad City. I really wasn't... Tv was not happening for me. I did an audition. Oh, yeah, I got the audition, and I was excited that I knew you were attached. I knew Kristen was attached, and I knew it was Mike I knew some of the writers from Parks of Rec. I remember thinking like, this would be the dream. Of course, I won't get it. I don't get everything. I don't get anything. But I would like to do a really good job in this audition and maybe make Mike Sher cast me in some little bit part in a different season or whatever. I really worked on it so hard. That's the other thing I had. I mean, this is a side note, but I have, one of my worst qualities is not committing committing fully to auditions because it's so sad when you don't get them.

That it was this weird little self-fulfilling, not fully committing. So then my heart doesn't hurt when I don't get it.

I could have gotten it, but I just didn't prepare.

Getting the good place after working so hard was a really good lesson. I was like, Oh, so it works when you put in there. Okay, cool.

Did you prepare for the role of Janet?

Is that where you came in? Yes, I did. But if you remember, the scripts weren't out, and it was you and Kristen were basically the only people that knew anything about where the show was going. So the scripts were like dummy. They weren't real. It was some fake scene. I was like an operator it like a...

Was it a fast talking scene so they could test whether you could do Janet?

Yes. Looking back on it, it was perfect. It was like I worked at a hotline for broken dolls, and I needed to give the person advice on how to fix the doll and different options and never getting flustered. It was a great scene. It would be fun to put it out there somehow. But every audition I had, maybe three or four of them, just went so well that I was stunned afterwards. How could that have gone better? I'm not going to get this role, but what could I have done? That really worked. They laughed. I felt good. It just was so good and easy. Then, yeah, getting that call.

How long did you have to wait?

Oh, this is great. Well, Very long. Maybe five years is what it felt like. I'm sure it was a week, but it was just staring at my phone. I had some, I'm going to say it, shitty little writing job at some weird little, some pop culture show that I refused to even watch. I hated it so much. My career was not happening, and I would just stare at my phone waiting for a call for them to let me know that I didn't get it.

You went negative. You went dark.

Yeah, totally. Wow. Yes, completely. I bet I'm like, what was the percentage of light? I bet there was like a- Sliver. Yes, a sliver of maybe, maybe, or even just a good compliment. It's not going to be you, but they actually loved you. He knows your name now. It's something to get me by. But okay, so a week or two of waiting and when we would be at home Home, I was trying to distract myself. Jason said, Why don't we watch this season of Fargo? Let's just watch TV. Let's just watch TV, watch TV, watch TV. We started watching Fargo, and who comes on the damn screen with this handsome man in front of me, Ted Danson, playing a character that I'd never seen you play.

She's crying again.

Tears are just streaming. You were so good and so charming and so heartbreaking. All I was thinking was like, I want to work with this guy. This is not doing what it should be doing, which is distracting me. I'm watching this guy.

That was positive, though. That was opening the crack of positive. I guess so.

Open a little more. I guess so. I guess you're right. Then truly watched an episode of Fargo, closed the computer, got settled into bed, and then got a call at 11:00 PM from- Really? Yes. 11:00? Yeah. I think it was from an agent, and I don't think they were supposed to tell me yet. I think it was supposed to be a morning call. But they were giving me of vague. It wasn't like, this is 100%, but they were like, be ready tomorrow. I'm like, what does this mean? We had champagne and we screamed. Oh, how wonderful. It was great. Two of our best friends lived upstairs, Paul and Lucia, who created the show Hacks. But they also were same as us, just struggling. We knocked on their door at 11:00 PM and they popped champagne.Oh, how sweet.It was great. We were all in our pajamas and screaming. It was really good.

You have generous friends because sometimes it's...

Yes, totally. Oh, you got that? Oh, great. Look at you. Wow. I'm surprised, but Good for you. Yeah. Well, they did fine. Yeah. And then it was quick. I was the last person to be cast. So then I probably met you and the rest of the cast the next, I don't know, two, three days later.

And We did a table read and we were off. I was terrified. Were you? Yeah. I had no... I mean, Kristen Bell somehow adopted me in her brain and was so sweet and supportive. I had met with Mike, who was very complementary and very sweet and very real. Then I listened to him pitch the idea to me for an hour, and he's one of the brightest people. He has a lot A lot of people are bright, but his brain is also encyclopedic.

Yeah, he's extra.

When he pitches this story, there's no, or, or, or, you could be flipping the page, looking at it and going, wow.

Totally true. Yeah, he doesn't miss any detail.

Nails every second of something. I just listened quietly for about an hour, and then my manager and I were listening. We both looked at each other. It was like, All right, I have no idea what this is, but I want in.

Let me in, please. I want in.

I didn't understand how to be... How Michael, my character, the architect, could be funny when you didn't know his secret. Because usually audiences, it's There's a triangle. I'm talking to you, Darcy, but the audience knows, yada, yada, and they laugh because I'm misleading you or I'm this, or I'm that. But there was no triangle. Right. So you- Including my own cast. That's not my cast.

I hate that. No, it is.

Yuck, yuck, cut that.

No, don't cut it. They're cutting it as we speak. There's the truth.

All right, I'm going to talk about myself in third. Ted made a mistake. Ted made a mistake.

Ted is sorry. He's really upset. No, that was the other thing. For people that don't know, the four other cast members, other than Kristen and Ted, Manny, Will, Jamila, and I, did not know what the season looked like after about episode three. I'm sure people know. Whatever. It's been years. We didn't know the big twist. Yeah. So not only did the audience not know, and not only did our characters not know, but we, your fellow actors, didn't know. What a fucking insane thing that was.

Or directors who come in direct.

And give you advice.

And you feel so rude because they'd come and say, I think you should play this. And I'd slowly, surpricially, look at one of the writers and go, How do we deal with this?

Who's going to tell them? Yeah, totally. That This is the most amazing. God, what an amazing thing to be a part of something, a twist that really worked, that really twisted.

The twist worked. I think people went online and talked about it. Then at the same time, Netflix started airing the first season. It was this convergence of luck.

It was.

That blasted us out there.

It really blasted us. What a thing. I remember there was like, it must have been... I think it was like, again, in my mind, it was like the next day after Netflix I just released it, but of course it wasn't. Let's say the next week where I was like, Oh, I think everyone in the world watched it. I just felt that way. I went from- Felt that way. Yeah. I feel like every person I would run into on the street would say, I watched the show.

What was that like? What was that like for you? Because you went from people not knowing you very much, right? To getting blasted with people loving it, knowing you, and really appreciating you. What was that like? Because it's not always easy.

Yeah. It may have been the easiest version of it because it was so pleasant. I think the Janet character is such a pleasant, lovable character that I do think that people tend to... If I had played some evil villain or, I don't know, a jerk or something, I think I might have received a different energy. But just people were nice about it. I tended did, to feel like people that watched that show were nice and smart. You know what I mean? It was like a nice, smart group of people that would watch it, so they always seemed to be pretty nice.

Although I have a lot of people show up who I wouldn't have pegged as necessarily smart, with a bow tie and a sweater, but hard hats and this and that. People who love it. And then kids.

Kids. That was something that I I would have never guessed or expected is just the amount of kids.

Before the Good Place, I had to spend 20 minutes describing to people what Cheers was. Was it show in the latter half?

Different century. Yeah, 20th century.

Then kids loved it.

Because Michael had the bow tie and Janet had the little purple suit, we were almost like, I always think of-We were Halloween characters. Exactly. We were. Yeah, we were. There was almost like a Mickey Mouse quality. Like little kids just...

Hey, let me just say, you're spectacular in the good place. You are. You really, truly are. I remember the day that you were so popular and so good. The writers, or at least that's how they describe it, said, We have to give her something spectacular to do. They did the episode where you were playing all the different character. We all, to hide from the bad place, folks went into your What do you call it?

Void. Janice Void. Void, yeah.

You have to watch it, folks. You got to watch it. Because it sounds a little weird. I know. Impossible to explain. But you had to end up... Darcy had to play all the different characters, all of us, Kristin, Ted, all of us. You were alone in a room that was pure white walls, white ceiling. It was hard to even stand in the room.

Without getting dizzy.

I remember, turned to you once, the beginning of you shooting that whole week by yourself, going, This is fucked up.

Ted, it's so funny that you have that memory. Wait, were you about to say something else?

I can't even remember my name when I step into that sound stage. It was so like...

You know what's cool? That conversation got me through the entire episode because that was day one. Ted is basically in the first minute or two of this episode, and then I'm in this white room by myself for the rest of the time. Getting to do a scene with you first and then feeling crazy and then hearing you, not just my friend and fellow actor, but Ted Danson, who's done a million things and who I love and respect as an actor, saying, Hey, this is fucked. This is going to be hard. You said you're going to forget basically your objective. You're going to forget what... You have to remember what you're doing.

Did I give you advice?

No, but you give really good advice. You give advice that I Because you don't give advice.

Not only are you not crying right now, it's just not true.

No, I talk about it all the time. No, it's not true. No, you do.

People take my advice and do the opposite. It's good that way. It works. No.

Sir, I listen to your advice and I take it because you're not like, Come sit down. Let me tell you everything I know. You're just talking to me like my friend. Because being in that white room by myself, my instinct would have been to get through the lines. It's so technical. It's almost like it's not even acting. It's more technical than emotional. But the scenes were emotional. You just said, Remember what these scenes are about and remember who you're talking to. I swear to God, that got me through the whole week. You gave me other advice on other things that I took and- It didn't work out as well. It did work out. Oh, good. After, when we were winding down, you and I were having coffee at Crafty. Crafty is where we have snacks. You were like, Hey, after whatever you do next, make it be as far away from Janet as possible, which was such good advice because I think the- Are you sure you don't just think of these things and then put my- No. I also don't have a very good memory. You've really made an impact, sir.

Good, I'm glad.

Because a lot of the things that were coming my way around the time of Good Place being done were Janet-type characters, Peppy and Perky and Happy and I think it would have been literally like robotic. I mean, people don't have much of an imagination. You know what I mean?

She does robot really well.

Yeah, you got to cast her.

She prefers acting by herself in white rooms.

Let's do it. She's really easy. You don't have to pay her more either. Anyway, so then the next role I took was League of Their Own, and she was very, very, very... Greta Gill was as different from Janet as I could get. I really credit you so much with helping me figure that out.

Thanks Thanks. You're welcome. The Good Place. The Good Place, which is truly, truly about ethics and what it means to lead a purposeful life. Would you add anything to the headline of the show? That's one of the things I took away and looked at myself, which is leading a purposeful life. Is this me being purposeful in my living? Let me ask you, how's your purposeful life going?

For real?

Purposeful doesn't mean you go to the UN and save the world. It means are you doing something that... What? You describe it.

Well, I feel like purposeful is there's always more to do. So When you say, How's your purposeful life? My first instinct is small, which is maybe okay, but there's so much good to do. Sometimes I feel like I'm doing good in a very small way or with a very small group. My good could be so much bigger. Maybe that's everything. Maybe that's even if I was going to the UN and all that. Maybe I could still be doing more and bigger. But I think that's an area that I'd like to be bigger. I'd like for my purposeful small life to grow.

I hear you. When I want to beat up on myself, that's how I think. I'm not doing enough. But I do also believe that, which is what we talked about in the place, too. I mean, it's not like the good place invented this. This is probably ethics 101 or something. But you don't know the ripple effects. You don't know the ripple effects of you just walking in the room today or down the street or whatever. You have no idea whether you looked and smiled at somebody, whether or not that changes the ripples. I think it's about just being conscious to try to do a little bit better every day.

Yeah, I like that. I like that, and I totally believe in that. I do think that is one of the things that this show made me put into words and into my brain, which is just like, when faced with the option of doing good or doing bad, doing good. When you can do a little bit better, do a little bit better.

Here's what I have trouble with. There are a lot of things where it's easy to be a little bit better. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But that includes Caring for, liking, and listening to people who are stupid as batshit, as far as I'm concerned, which right away knocks me out of the conversation of a purposeful life. You're forced to discover how judgmental you are. I know. This ties into the good place, I think, because if you're going to be ethical, if you're going to be purposeful, that includes everything in the world. You have try to step up to the plate. One of my favorite things of failure when it comes to the good place in ethics was the celebrity tip. You're in a cafe, and they're making you a coffee and there's a tip jar. Do I quietly put my celebrity tip, which is large, while their back is to me making the coffee? No. I wait. I, Ted, wait until they see me drop the 10, 20, whatever in there.

This one is really- That's tough. I know. I don't even... I mean, I guess... Okay, because I've actually... I've really thought about this one, especially when we were on The Good Place, we played so many games like this where we would come up with these real-world scenarios and what would you do and what is the right thing to do. But the thing is, okay, so, yes, I'm the same way where I'm like, I want them to see me put the tip in because that makes me feel good. But then you go, okay, so the right to do is actually put the 10 in, the 20, the whatever, the 100. I don't know what money you have. The 50 cents. When their back is turned so that it's really for the good of giving them the thing without any credit. But then here's where I'll go a step further. Maybe... Okay, wait. Let me just think. How can I put this into words? If they see you do it, maybe there's a moment between the two. No, I think any way that I could explain this is just to help the celebrity tipper. Yeah.

No way around it. It's a karmic wash. You gave somebody money they probably need or certainly deserve.

Okay, what about if they say, Hey, later, they're telling their spouse at dinner, Well, guess who came into the coffee shop today? Ted Danson. Remember him from your favorite show, The Good Place? And guess what? He gave me a huge tip. Doesn't that make you feel good about someone like him would actually care enough to put in money? It's bringing good into the world in a bigger way. No.

As I'm saying, I know I'm wrong. The person's husband is probably going to be an asshole. What a dips shit.

I never liked that guy. Never. No, I know.

Okay, I'm bouncing now. Here we go. All right. I saw you last because we had lunch in New York, and you had to then run off and go do your Broadway play that evening. How was that?

It was really cool. Oh, my God. Wait, this is another little ethics thing. Okay, I'm just going to tell this story. Feel free to cut it. I was doing this Broadway play, and it was just a short little run. The Thanksgiving play. It was like a 10-week run, and I got this sweet little video from Ted on this app called Marco Polo that we love, where you make little videos and send them. He was in a Broadway house. He was about to see a play, and he turned the camera on himself with a big smile, and he showed the playbill where there was an article about me and a picture of me. He was like, Look, it's you. I'm so proud of you. Okay. I thought it was so sweet. Then two hours later, after he's done with the play, I get another one from him that was like, I'm such a piece of shit. I just sent you a video showing you that I'm in New York seeing a Broadway play and not seeing yours.

It's a good thing I did because you was thinking it. I do believe.

No, no, no, no, no. Yes, yes, yes. No, no, no, no, no. She's not crying. No, I'm not crying. The truth is. Then you said, Let's go to breakfast tomorrow. We got to spend good time. That's actually what I said. I said, I don't care if you see my play. I just want to sit and hang out with you.

Then we- What was it like, the play?

It was scary. I hadn't been I hadn't done a play in over a decade. A lot of lines? So many lines, four actors, split quarter, I don't know, down the middle, four ways. A month of rehearsal.

Was that a Did you laugh?

I think so. This is something that really messed with me that I bet would have messed with you, too. In rehearsals, we were doing a comedy. It was a really funny show. If If I said something in a rehearsal that got a laugh from the producers and the director, it immediately sent me into a panic because I knew I would have a hundred more of that. I'd have to do this a hundred more times just in rehearsal alone. Because we do comedy, the whole thing about comedy is keeping it fresh and keep changing it up and surprising. Surprising, delighting yourself. You do that when it's for the camera, you can do five five, six, seven takes, and they can be a little bit different each time. Maybe you'll get the camera guy to chuckle behind the camera. But the idea that it worked in this moment, and that means I'm going to have to do it exactly like that. It really Yeah, it was... I panicked. I really had a really hard time with it. I had to talk to the cast and the director, and I said, Is it cool with you guys if something works, can I just not do it again until we open?

To which they were like, No, you have to do it. That's not how this works. We need to all know the rhythm. That was a very big challenge for me that ended up being a blessing and really fun and a cool way to flex another comedy muscle of timing and details.

I have no idea to talk about plays. It's been so long that I've been on stage, but there's such a different rhythm. You When you're in front of a camera, you can go for it and discover, and, No, that didn't work. You kept doing it. But the rhythm of a play is, finally, Oh, you got it. You understand it. Then there's a hill down where everything sucks. Then hopefully, it comes up in opening night, bam, and through the roof, great. But it's a different... You have to go through what you just described of, Oh, this is dead Yes.

When you're in that down slope, it feels like there's nothing you can do. And that's for the entire rehearsal and play process. But just on a nightly basis, once the show was up and running, if I noticed, especially because this was a comedy-comedy, a lot of jokes, a lot of laughing, if someone in the audience sneezzed on the end of a funny line, I knew it wouldn't get... You get that into it where it's like, Okay, someone coughed right before he said the funny part, so they're not going to hear that. So that means the next thing. So I better bail and do this and do that. Which was fun, actually.

Because then you're engaged. When you're rehearsing, you don't have an audience except those people who are desperately hoping that their words are funny and all of that stuff. But the audience is just guiding you and yanking you around and doing new things to you. That does make it a little bit more spontaneous for you.

For sure. And that was the way to keep it fresh. And I had a great time. My biggest takeaway from it was just like, I can't wait to do it again. I definitely- Wow. Well done. Yeah, I liked it. I really liked it. I loved it. It just took me back to real childhood. Doing plays with friends when you're a kid is the most fun thing I could possibly imagine, and that wasn't so different from this.

Yeah. I think I told you my story, which I won't bother, but I got so scared. But have you told about this? No, all right. I was at the Atlantic Theater. It's a good one. Atlantic Theater Theater, which is this amazing theater in New York that feeds a lot of things into Broadway. Everything they do ends up there. And they're friends of ours, Neil Pepe and Mary McCann, and they're just great people. So they asked all the company members, but also me, I'm not a company member, to do this celebration, three or four or five weeks of all the playwrights. It was the 25th anniversary. So they got 25 playwrights that they had been working with and said, Write anything 20 minutes long. It doesn't matter. You can write an opera, you can write a monolog, you can write a scene. It doesn't matter. And then all these actors would come in and they would do five of these a night for a week, and then they'd switch out to a new group of playwrights and do five of them every night. And you got about one day of rehearsal with Neil Pepe, the Artistic Director, and then off you went.

And I saw somebody the week before me. When I flew into New York, I went to see that week's plays. And I saw somebody go up on a line, and I thought, oh, well, somebody will whisper the line very surpriciously from the wings. No, it came from the lighting booth over a microphone The line, you just missed it. And so I thought, Oh, I better think of something clever to say if I go up. And I had a monolog. It was a 20-minute monolog. And I so psyched It was a wonderful monolog about a man who is talking to the audience and tries to remember what horrible thing he's trying to remember, and he can't, and he goes through his day in front of the audience and then realizes that when he gets home, his wife says, Can you take this down to the basement? As he goes down to the basement, he realizes that a literal hell with stalagmites and stalagmites in hell is in his basement, the real hell. Then he He's terrified, and he goes back out to walk the dog, and by the time he comes back in, he's forgotten. Every day is this.

20 seconds in to my little opening night. I'm going to throw up. I went totally blank, and It was like sticking my finger 20 seconds in, stick my finger into a light socket, and my whole body went… My heart raced in that split second. It's like, Fuck, I can't believe that happened. Oh, My God, my daughter's in the audience. Do I cry? No, don't cry. I could get up and leave. Oh, shit. I can't believe this. And then I remember to ask Darcy for the line. I say, Darcy.

Really? The person's in the line.

Darcy, what happens next?

Great. That's so charming.

Like I'm in charge. Well, Darcy, the stage manager, has just sat down behind the desk with her cup of coffee, and 20 seconds in, the clown splits my line. I don't know yet. She spills her coffee, thumbs through to find She gives me the line that I had just said before I forgot it.

Got that one, hon.

I said, Actually, it's the next line, Darcy.

I mean, I would be so charmed. Okay, so then she gives you the line.

She gives me the line, and I'm off and running. I have so much adrenaline, so much anger, so much just craziness in my body that it probably was a brilliant performance because this guy discovers he has hell in his basement, so he has a right to be upset. My poor daughter had to walk me around the block with two liters of water. To just calm your body down. To just flush the adrenaline.

Yeah, totally. That's not natural.

I was just vibrant. The next day, Neil Pepe, the director, said, Hey, why don't you come in half hour early and we'll just go over the line?

Let's just go over it. I don't know. The thing is, hearing the way you handled it, it is the perfect way. That puts the audience at ease. Sure. Because I've on the stage screwing up a line, and I've been in the audience screwing up a line. That is as much stress for the audience as it is for the person on stage, right? When it's just you can tell. Yeah. Car wreck.

Yeah. When you, Hey, Darcy, what's the line?

That's so charming.

It was Darcy, by the way. That's so weird.

I know. When you met me, were you like, I have a bad connotation?

No, I just made it up. It was Marcy. It was Marcy.

Okay, similar.

You can understand my confusion. This is why I'll never do it again.

I had a moment on stage for this play where it was like... It was like a really clippy comedy. We were just like... The rhythm was there. We weren't screwing up lines a lot. But on this one night, there was a pretty big dead pause, and my brain went, oh, who screwed up? I looked around. I was like, What did we just say? What's coming up next? My thought was, how can I help this person get of this situation? Then I see all three sets of eyes staring at me. I realized it was my line. It was my line. Somehow, I had just gotten off. And then I said it, and then it was fine, and we were off and moving. But It is such a weird. And also, oh, yeah, there's also... So a little bit after that, there's a moment where I'm staring at the back of the stage, at the upstage. And the only thing running through my mind was, You are on Broadway. You just made that mistake. This isn't a commu... This is not some little nothing that you are on Broadway, and you fool. You just made that mistake.

But it was okay. And then I never did it again. How are you going to refuse? Do you really want to know? Yeah. Great.

Fantastic. It's okay. Give me a quote.

Actually, now that you say that, I didn't really... Do your people, your reps, do this where you get an email that have pull quotes about you? Do you get that? If there's a review and it's like, This was positive. They said blah, blah, blah. Now that I think about, here's something that I do. This is weird, and I'm sure this is my ADHD brain in full effect. I did this for the good place, too. When we would get reviews, I would open them. Okay, so imagine my little laptop. I'd open them, but I wouldn't read them, but they'd be a tab. I would have the review on my laptop to read, but I wouldn't read it for months. I wouldn't read it for months. Smart. I don't even know why. I think I can handle it, but I just couldn't do it. I remember having reviews of that Janet's episode up for a year before I got to them. Anyway, they were… I felt very embraced and welcomed. Oh, wonderful. Yeah, I felt really good. It was really nice. It was nice. I couldn't quite believe it.

Can I tell you some of my reviews? Yeah. It was After Cheers. It was Becker. To some degree, I think it's a truism that after something massively successful, there are some folks out there, especially if the press loved you and the cheers, they were laying in wait. I'd like to think that that's the case. But Mary and I... It was Premier Night, but Mary and I were in New York because I had just done all the press, all these shows for two days. Then we were in a car being driven to the airport to fly back to LA for opening night party and watch the show. Fun. I watch Mary. I'm happy. I'm content, I've done my job. Why is Mary slowly moving this stack of newspapers onto the floor? I went, Oh, okay. Let me read them. She stutters for a minute and then hands them to me. Here was my favorite headline, Too Tepid Ted. And then the sentence went on. But Too Tepid Ted stuck in my memory. The other one was Mr. Thinks He's So Wonderful, Vanson. No. Yeah. These people didn't like me as much as you do. Oh, no.

But it was just hammered in my brain. I will never forget Too Tepid Ted.

No, the other one is worse for me. Thinks He's Wonderful. My mom basically said that to me one time.

About me?

Not about you. She thinks she's great. Something similar. Okay, wait. What was the line again? It was, Thinks He's So Wonderful.

Yeah, think he's so wonderful dancing.

I just remember. I don't even remember what it was having to do with, but it was, your mom can say whatever. She can call you a brat. Moms can get you. But there was something about You're not as cute as you think you are. That really stuck with me. It might have been the meanest thing she's ever said to me. But also good. Good to remember.

I've said this on the show before, but my mother, when asked how she felt about my success on Cheers in the early days, she said, Well, I'm happy for him, of course, but it's a little foreign to me because I come from a long line of people who believe in the quiet, no No. The nobility of quiet failure. Wow. Wow.

That'll stick with you. Yeah. Oh, that's really good.

That's a great quote.

Yeah, that's the best.

All right, let me ask you another question, and then we're about at the hour mark. But first off, I adore you. The feeling is so mutual. We have you on camera, by the way. When you were professing your love with tears in your eyes, we do have that.

You might see. I do think I got a little tear in my right eye on the corner.

The downstage. The camera's there, right?

No, I really- But I want to ask you one more.

I want to know about- My cosmic heart?

Yeah. I mean, in general, I feel very lucky, okay? When I think I think about my heart, I think I can be a little boohoo-y. But then if I zoom out, it's very easy for me to see that I am so unbelievably lucky and grateful. I get to… It's as simple as live my dreams. I got… Think of that Me telling you that I got to watch you on Fargo, and all I could think of was, I want to work with that guy. I just want to work with him. He's so good. I just want to be on a set with him and get to work with him. I've gotten to have that experience with not just you. But I got to tell you, Ted, and I've said this before, and other people have said this, too, you're the best actor I've ever worked with in scenes together, you and me, one on one. No, don't look at the paper.

Yeah, but your resume is very short.

No, I've worked with really good people. That's true, though. But no, you are the best scene partner. No, don't go towards the microphone. You are the most connected and committed and surprising, and inspiring actor I have ever worked with. When I got to be in scenes with you one-on-one, I'm not kidding. When I got to be in scenes with you one-on-one, you made me a better actor in real-time. For real. You, you, alone.

This is tough. Just so you know, I have complete editorials.

But at least I know you heard it. So I'm keeping this in.

I am definitely keeping this in. You really are.

You're so special.

You're deflecting. But okay, thank you. Thank you so much. I really, and I adore you, too. Here's something about you, that wherever I go, especially in our world of actors and writers and directors and stuff. I'm not looking at you either, but I'm not crying. But it's hard to look at people directly.

I know it is.

Sorry. But the ripple effect you have of what you put out in the world. People love you. People are ferociously care about their relationship with you and with Jason. You mean a lot to a lot of people that are out there working in our world. Oh, that's so nice. That's something that... Hey, I didn't interrupt you. That's something that is a ripple effect that is a purposeful part of your life. You care about people, you care about your friends, you're fiercely loyal, and that does have a ripple effect.

Cool. I love that. Thank you so much.

I'll take that. Really, really enjoy sitting here talking to you. I love you. Marcy or Darcy? No, Darcy.

Well, I'm Darcy. There are Marcies out there for sure. And that one.

This is two tepid Ted signing off.

I love you so much. I just couldn't love you more. I fucking love you.

Darcy Cardin, everyone. What did I tell you? The best, right? She has a podcast, too, called Wiki Hole. It's a wild ride into the internet's most interesting and interconnected Wikipedia entries. Actually, I'm holding something back. I was on her podcast and I had the best time with her, so it really is fun. That's it for this week's show. A special thanks to our friends at Team Coco. If you enjoyed this episode, send it to a friend. Subscribe, rate, and review. You can always watch full episodes of this podcast on Team Coco's YouTube channel, if that is your thing. I recommend doing that, actually. I'll be right back here next week where everybody knows your name. See you soon.

You've been listening to Where Everybody Knows Your Name with Ted Danton and Woody Harrelson, Sometimes. The show is produced by me, nick Liao. Executive producers are Adam Sacks, Colin Anderson, Jeff Ross, and myself. Sarah Federovich is our supervisor is our supervising producer. Our senior producer is Matt Apodaca. Engineering and mixing by Joanna Samuel with support from Eduardo Perez.

Research by Alyssa Graal. Talent Booking by Paula Davis and Gina Batista.

Our theme music is by Woody Harrelson, Anthony Genn, Mary Steembergen, Osbill.

Special thanks to Willy Navar.

We'll have more for you next time where everybody knows your name.