Transcript of Shutdown Politics, Air Traffic Control Issues, Comey Arraignment

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Your agenda should be, I'm going to be with you and be totally present to whatever comes up. Listen in the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts for different ways to offer support. It's day eight of the government shutdown and still no end in sight.

Democratic Democrats continue to insist on negotiations for extending subsidies that help people buy health insurance through the Affordable Care Act. Republicans continue to say they'll talk when the government is back open. Meanwhile, President Trump is saying this about Democrats.

You want to know the truth? This is like a kamikaze attack.

They have nothing to lose. Npr's Domenico Montanaro is looking at whether there's any way out of this shutdown. Domenico, with President Trump talking like that, how do the two sides even get to talking?

Yeah, I mean, Trump shows no signs of budging here. I mean, aside from his language about Democrats, he and his budget office director are threatening permanent layoffs of some federal workers, even floating the possibility that the government might not give back pay to some furloughed workers. That's something that's in pretty hot dispute right now. And they're moving to cut off funding from blue states for various projects. Trump has been trying to give the impression that Congressional leaders are talking, but there's really no indication that that's even happening right now. So it looks more like a game of chicken with the administration feeling like it can weather this politically and lay the blame on Democrats squarely.

All right, so how are Congressional leaders responding to that?

Well, on the Republican side, they're calling Democrats demands too much. Here's House Speaker Mike Johnson.

It is a wild wishlist of big government liberal nonsense that we can't do.

Republicans keep saying that they want to reopen the government and then negotiate. But calling what Democrats want big government liberal nonsense makes a lot of Democrats skeptical that Republicans doesn't really want to negotiate at all. What he seems to be hoping for here, Johnson, is really cracks among Democrats.

So is there any evidence that that even exists?

To an extent, we've seen a few who caucus with the Democrats, who have been voting with Republicans to reopen the government. Senators Katherine Cortés, Masto of Nevada, John Federman of Pennsylvania, Angus King, an independent from Maine. But that hasn't been growing. Largely, Democrats are sticking together because they feel like they have an advantage on health care. Unlike a decade to go, the Affordable Care Act is actually really popular now, and Democratic leaders want to drill home the point that they're in favor of extending ACA subsidies, and Republicans are not. Here's Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer yesterday.

The bottom line is very simple. We want them extended. They don't want them extended.

We saw House Democratic leader Hakem Jeffrey's even go so far this week as to challenge Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson to a televised debate on the House floor. Johnson turned that down, needless to say, calling it, Pathetic and a publicity stunt.

Are Are there any signs to indicate which side appears to have the advantage when it comes to convincing voters that they're right or wrong?

It's tricky because polling has found Republicans getting more of the blame, but not near a majority, and there are a lot of undecideds. Shutdowns usually don't go well for the side looking to add things that are not in a bill like Democrats are doing here. 2019's shutdown, for example, Trump made it about funding for the border wall, and eventually, with 50 plus % blaming him, air traffic controllers calling out sick, he agreed to a short term reopening of the government.

So Domenico, you look at this all the time. Any way out of this shutdown?

Basically, I see three scenarios here. First, enough moderate Democratic senators crossover, which could happen if public pressure becomes too much. Second, Republicans overstepped, go too far with these firings and other efforts, get more the blame for things like airport delays and feel pressure to negotiate now. Or third, both parties reach a temporary deal and commit to negotiate on these subsidies. But it's going to come down to politics and the messaging that wins out.

That's NPR's Domenico Montanaro. Thanks a lot.

You got it.

It's been a tough week for the air traffic control system in the United States.

103, stand by. We're going to be closing the tower soon, and SoCal is going to be taking control of the airport. So for now, stand by. That's an air traffic controller at the Hollywood Burbank Airport on Monday explaining to pilots that the local tower was about to close Because of a staffing shortage. Ground's closed, the local's closed, the tower is closed due to staffing.

Please just contact SoCal on the 800 number in the green book for your clearing.

All right.

Some of those pilots sound surprised, as you can hear in this archived audio recording from the website LiveATC. Net.

Is it because of a shutdown that you guys are going? It's for stopping. That led to major delays at just that one airport on Monday, and the government shutdown is only making commercial aviation issues even worse. Npr Transportation Correspondent, Joel Rose, has been following what's happening in the skies and also on the ground. Joel, what delays are you seeing?

Yeah, the Federal Aviation Administration says that staffing shortages caused delays at several airports, again yesterday, including a full ground stop for a while at the airport in Nashville. Also, we saw delays at O'Hare International Airport in Chicago and Dallas Love Field, and we are looking at the possibility of more delay today. I should note the FAA will limit the number of planes in the air in order to keep the system safe. But that said, it is probably not a great week for getting where you need to go on time.

Can this squarely be laid on the feet of the government shutdown, or are there deeper problems?

Yeah, there was already a nationwide shortage of air traffic controllers, which has nothing to do with this government shutdown. Staffing is several thousand controllers short of where the FAA and the controllers union say it should be. Nearly 11,000 certified controllers do have to work during the shutdown, but they do not get paid until it ends. During the last one of these in 2019, we saw controllers calling in sick in higher than normal numbers, especially once that stoppage dragged on past a month. That caused serious delays at airports on the East Coast and may have played a key role in bringing that shutdown to an end. There has been an uptick in the number of controllers calling in sick this week, according to federal officials. And it does not take huge numbers to have a big impact on a system that is already so short staffed.

What about rural airports? Tell us what's happening there.

Yeah, there is a federal program that subsidizes flights to rural airports. It's called the Essential Air Service Program. The Trump administration says that program will run out of money as soon as this weekend, if the shutdown continues. And that could be a big deal for the almost 170 communities around the country that are part of this program, including more than 60 in Alaska alone. I talked to Daniel Friedenzohn about this. He's a professor at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Florida.

It provides airline service to communities that probably would not have it. So it is important from the community's perspective. I think that's partly why the Congress generally has been so supportive of it.

But all that said, it is not clear exactly how much of an immediate impact this funding lapse could have. At least one major carrier, Alaska Airlines, says it will continue flights for now, even without this subsidy. It is likely that the smaller regional airlines that operate most of these flights would do the same, at least in the short run. One other thing I want to note, the White House proposed cutting more than $300 million dollars in funding from this program earlier this year, even though the program does have broad bipartisan support in Congress.

That's NPR's Joel Rose. Joel, thanks.

Thank you.

All right, today, the former director of the FBI will appear in a federal courthouse for arraignment on two felony charges.

James Comey has been a fierce critic of President Trump and was a top official in the Justice Department that's now processing executing him. Comey's arraignment comes a day after the attorney general Pam Bondi refused to tell senators whether she talked with Trump about bringing charges against Comey.

Npr's Kerry Johnson is following this. So, Kerry, what will you be watching for in court today?

This is really just the beginning of the legal process. The former FBI director, Jim Comey, will be read the charges against him and perhaps learn a bit more detail about them. A grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, approved two charges against Comey and rejected a third one. The charges that stuck are one count of allegedly making a false statement to Congress five years ago and one count of obstructing the Congress investigation. This indictment came down only days before the statute of limitations had been set to expire, and only after President Trump had publicly pressured the Justice Department to hurry up with the case. In court today, Komi can formally enter a plea, which we expect to be not guilty. Here's a recent video statement from Comey.

My heart is broken for of the Department of Justice, but I have great confidence in the federal judicial system, and I'm innocent. So let's have a trial. Now, Kare, I remember reading the actual indictment. It was a quick read, light on specific details. What do we know about what evidence prosecutors have gathered.

It's really been hard to tell exactly which facts gave rise to these charges. They seem to be about a media leak several years ago. People who worked inside the Justice Department, both Republicans and Democrats, have been publicly doubting the strength The length of this case. For example, Andy McCarthy at the National Review has been very skeptical the case will even get to a trial. Remember last month, career prosecutors in Virginia said it did not meet the bar for indictment. Then the White House forced out the leader of the office and installed one of the President's former personal attorneys, Lindsay Halligan. Halligan seems to have appeared before this grand jury herself, even though she has no prosecutorial experience. We learned overnight she's bringing in two prosecutorsators from North Carolina to help with the Komi case, suggesting perhaps no one in Virginia wanted to touch it. They're going to be facing off against Komi's lawyer, Pat Fitzgerald, who once prosecuted major national security and corruption cases.

Now, President Trump has called James Komi some insulting names. He said he's a dirty cop. How will the President factor into this criminal prosecution?

Donald Trump will not be in the courtroom, but he could be a main character, especially if Comey and his lawyer decide to make an argument about selective or vindictive prosecution, basically, that Comey would not have been prosecuted except for Trump's antagonism. The President's own words on social media and video could help advance that argument. Attorney General Pam Bondi got a lot of questions about Trump's remarks on Capitol Hill yesterday. Here's our listen.

President Trump is the most transparent President in American history, and I don't think he said anything that he hasn't said for years.

Of course Jim Comey could also challenge the indictment itself because it seems some odd things may have happened before the grand jury, like the new prosecutor signing documents that conflicted with each other. Comey could also argue that Lindsay Halligan, the US attorney in Virginia, was not legally appointed, so anything she did, including this indictment, would not be valid.

Lots to look out for. That's MPR's Kerry Johnson. Kerry, thanks.

Thank you.

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