Transcript of Kirk Shooting Investigation, Economic Round-up, Brazil's Bolsanaro Convicted

Authorities still don't know who killed the conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

Investigators recovered a weapon and released footage of a man fleeing the scene. But is that enough to find him?

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The person who shot and killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk is still at large, and the only description police have to go on at the moment is what a person suspected in the killing was wearing, a black T-shirt, white Converse shoes, and a hat with a triangle on it.

Last night, officials shared photos and a new video showing a suspect's apparent escape. You see him leaping from a roof. Utah Governor Spencer Cox asked for anyone who might recognize the shooter to come forward.

We continue to implore the public to support this investigation and come forward with any information.

We need as much help as we can possibly get.

With us now is NPR's Bobby Allen, who's been reporting from Aurum, Utah. Bobby, good morning. Thanks for joining us. Hey, Michelle. You were at the press conference last night on the Utah Valley University campus, and that was where Kirk was killed on Wednesday. What stood out to you?

Well, the obvious thing is it's now almost 48 hours since Kirk's murder and authorities haven't arrested a suspect. This press conference, which was very hastily organized, I think we had like an hour's heads up, was essentially a blinking help needed sign. Fbi Director Cash Patel stood by as state official played surveillance video showing, as you mentioned, a person in dark sunglasses, a black shirt, climb off a roof and flee the scene. Utah Governor Spencer Cox says state and federal investigators are working hard to catch this assassin and hold him accountable, but it does not appear that they have located him yet. Cox says they have, however, received a flood of tips from the public. So far, we've received more than 7,000 leads and tips. I would just note that the FBI hasn't received this many digital media tips from the public since the Boston Marathon bombing. That was more than a decade ago. Now, with this investigation, it appears authorities are going to need the public's help even more. Cox said, Complicated matters is a surge of online disinformation about the shooting. Some distortions, he says, are even being spread by Russian and Chinese bots.

Cox said at the briefing that officials are focused on transparency, but Then it was interesting that they did not take any questions.

You've been talking to people in Aurum, which is where you are now, people who attended the Kirk event, people who live there. Can you just describe what's the mood there?

Yeah. Well, after the shooting on Wednesday, the school closed for the week. It's been pretty quiet with police tape blocking off portions of the campus that are still considered an active crime scene. There are, of course, gaggles of journalists and TV vans waiting for an update in the investigation. I stopped to talk to Utah Valley University freshman James Jordan, who was walking through campus, and he said he remains pretty rattled. The man that did shoot him is still undetermined in how close we live.

He could be anywhere.

The other night, we had cops at our apartment just doing their protocol, and it was a little unsettling and not knowing for sure how safe we really are.

While others in the area assume the shooter is long gone from Utah, so are not as worried.

So turning back to the investigation, do we have any sense of what the next phase looks like?

Yeah, well, investigators recovered a rifle in unused rounds, believed to be the shooter's, and that's now being forensically examined in a lab along with palm prints and an impression from the commerce sneakers authorities say the shooter was wearing. Law enforcement gathered this from where the shooter escaped from the roof, right? Investigators will be putting this together with the surveillance footage and any useful public tips they have in hopes of identifying and locating the shooter. State authorities have several times now raised the prospect of this turning into a death penalty case, but the suspect has to be caught before he is prosecuted.

That's NPR as Bobby Allen. Bobby, thank you.

Thanks, Michelle.

The The stock market is soaring, but stocks are not the only things getting more expensive.

New reports from the Labor Department show consumer prices continue climbing, and at the same time, the job market is showing fresh signs of weakness.

Npr, Scott Horsley is with us now to Let's talk a little bit more about this. Good morning, Scott. Good morning, Michelle. Higher prices and fewer jobs does not sound like a recipe for a booming stock market. So what's going on here?

Yeah, the Dow jump more than 600 points yesterday. All the major indexes closed at record highs. It's mainly because investors believe the Federal Reserve is going to cut interest rates next week, and stock prices tend to go up when it looks like interest rates are coming down. The Fed has been cautious about cutting rates up until now because policymakers wanted to see how President Trump's tariffs would affect inflation. And those tariffs do seem to be putting upward pressure on the price of a lot of imported goods like coffee. A lot of our coffee comes from Brazil, which is now subject to a 50 % tariff. Patrick Reardon is the head roaster at Palace Coffee in Amarillo, Texas. He says prices are going up as a result.

I guess the worst part about tariffs is that the farmers, producers, our importing partners, even our baristas, no one is seeing the benefits of these costs rising.

It's directly just a tax. It almost feels like we're just lighting money on fire.

Retail coffee prices are up more than 20% over the last year, and they jumped more than three and a half % just in the last month. Even with inflation on the rise, though, the Fed is expected to pay more attention to the sagging job market.

Okay, the sagging job market. How big of a sag are we talking about?

Well, the pace of hiring has definitely slowed. Employers added just 22,000 jobs in August, and revised figures show the economy actually lost jobs in June for the first time since 2020. There was also a big jump last week in the number of people applying for unemployment benefits, which could be a harbinger of rising layoffs, which is something we hadn't seen before. For several years, we had a really strong long job market, which meant people had money to spend, and that kept the economy humming along. Economist Julia Coronado, who's with macro policy perspectives, says a weakening job market could turn that cycle on its head.

When you start to see that engine stall out, then consumers can become more cautious and they stop spending. Then you can move into a negative loop where firms start cutting workers, and then consumers get even more cautious. We're not there yet, but we're closer than we were a few months ago.

That's what the Federal Reserve hopes to avoid by cutting interest rates starting next week.

And speaking of the Fed, there could be some new faces there when that decision is made. Could you tell us about that?

Yeah. President Trump has nominated one of his allies, White House Economist Stephen Myron deserve a short term stint on the Fed's governing board, and it's possible that Myron will be confirmed in time to be at the big table in the Fed boardroom next week. Meanwhile, the President is trying to prevent another Fed governor, Lisa Cook from taking her seat at the table. This week, a federal judge blocked Trump's effort to fire Cook, but Trump is appealing that ruling, so we don't yet know if Lisa Cook will, in fact, take part at next week's meeting. All this just showcases how the President is trying to exert more control over the central bank, even though when Congress set up the Fed, it tried to insulate the central bank from just that political meddling.

That is NPR Scott Horsley. Scott, thank you.

You're welcome.

Brazil's Supreme Court has found former President Jair Bolsonaro guilty of attempting a military coup after losing the 2022 election.

The justice leading the case called the plot, an attempt to sow the malignant seed of anti-democracy. In the end, all but one of the judges on a five-member panel found him guilty. Now, the far-right leader, a close ally of President Trump, faces more than 27 years in prison.

Reporter Julia Carnero in Rio de Janeiro in covering this. Welcome to the program. Thank you, Steve. Okay, so I'm just thinking this through. It's different than a trial would be in the United States. It is the Supreme Court or a portion of the Supreme Court, a 4: 1 vote against the former President. What are the details of the verdict?

Well, Bolsonaro is facing five charges, and he's been found guilty on all of them, including attempting a coup after losing the election and leading a criminal organization. Seven other defendants were also in the trial and were also convicted, including three former generals. The justice has said there was ample evidence of Bolsonaro's moves to overthrow the government. And these actions included a plan to assassinate the then President-elect, Luis Inacio Lula da Silva, before he could take office, and also culminated with a January eighth riot back in 2023. That's when Bolsonaro supporters vandalized government buildings in the capital, Brasilia, just days after Lula's inauguration. Now, the 70-year-old faces 27 years and three months in prison.

There's another difference between a lot of trials in the United States and how this works. It seems they have issued the guilty verdict and the sentence at roughly the same time on the same day rather than in separate phases. How are people in Brazil receiving this news?

Well, Bolsonaro is still very popular, and his supporters consider the trial unfair and will likely double up on efforts to pressure Congress for it to approve some amnesty law to defend Bolsonaro. But many Brazilians greeted the news with relief as a landmark defense of democracy This is a country that's had a history of coup attempts, and it was the first time that a former president was punished for trying to stage a coup. Remember, 40 years ago, we're coming out of a 20-year dictatorship. Justice Alexandre de Morais emphasized the importance of the verdict. Morais said the sentence given should discourage any future attempt to destroy democracy and the idea that it would be possible to disrupt the rule of law and stay in power, disrespecting free and fair elections. But Bolsonaro's defense lawyer said the prison sentence was excessive and disproportionate. And in the United States, Bolsonaro's son, Eduardo, who's been lobbying on his father's behalf, predicted further sanctions from the US in response.

Well, he got some vocal support in the United States from President Trump leading up to the verdict. Has the President said anything since the verdict?

Yes, he spoke to the reporters at the White House and said Bolsonaro had been a good President, and it was very surprising. This could happen. He said, That's very much like they tried to do with me, but they didn't get away with it at all. Secretary of State, Marco Rubio said, Brazil's Supreme Court had, unjustly ruled to imprison Bolsonaro, and the United States would, quote, respond accordingly to this witch hunt. Remember, President Trump slapped 50% terrorist on Brazilian goods because of the trial, and now there's fear that more could come.

Yeah, interesting that the United States would use tools of its power based on the President's personal opinion of a trial in another country. Have we heard from Bolsonaro himself?

No, not so far. Bolsonaro followed the verdict from home. He's under house arrest. He won't be sent to prison for now while he can still try to appeal the decision. But he seems to be out of the political game for good for now. But he's still the leader of the far right, has strong support, and will try to influence next year's presidential election. So let's see what's to come.

Okay. Julia Carnero. Thanks so much.

Thank you, Steve.

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