Transcript of DHS Funding Negotiations, Russia Attacks Ukraine Power Grid, Nationalizing Elections New

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The partial federal government shutdown has ended. The House voted 217 to 214 on Tuesday to fund most government offices through September.

You'll notice Michelle said, Most. Congress now has just nine days to finish negotiating the budget for the Department of Homeland Security. Lawmakers seem far apart over changes to immigration enforcement. Democrats are demanding changes after federal agents shot and killed two Americans in Minnesota.

Npr immigration policy Correspondent, Ximena Bustillo has been tracking all this and is with us now to bring us up today. Good morning, Ximena.

Good morning, Michelle.

So the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency, ICE, already got $75 billion from Congress last summer. So what's the difference between that and what Congress is trying to come up with after February 13th.

In this instance, we're talking about funding for all of DHS and not just ICE through the end of the fiscal year. That $75 billion that you're talking about was in the one big beautiful bill, and that was just for ICE. It made Immigration and Customs Enforcement the highest-funded federal law enforcement agency. Now, Congress still has to, by law, do what's called annual appropriations, and that's the baseline budget for each department that has to get renewed every year or we have these shutdowns.

Okay, so this is for the whole department and not just one agency, and so that's why this is a big deal. Okay, so body cameras keep coming up. Democrats want immigration officers to wear body cameras, but DHS Secretary Christie Noem already said this week that every officer on the ground in Minneapolis, specifically, would be issued a body camera. So what's the issue they still need to negotiate?

Keep in mind that that wouldn't necessarily happen overnight. It could take over 180 days to fully implement that just in Minneapolis. Nome also said that as funding is available, the body camera program would be expanded nationwide across the agency to all agents. But Democrats want more than just Nome's word for it. They want it written into law. The current DHS budget bill negotiated by Congress does provide $20 million for body cameras, but Democrats want to mandate that they actually be used. This is just one of the asks that has been discussed, and This one has gotten some bipartisan support, but other requests have been more contentious. What? Democrats want to mandate that immigration officers only use warrants signed by a judge to make arrests, for example. They say that the current use of administrative warrants, which are written by DHS itself and not signed by a judge, raises questions about violations to people's fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizures. While some Republicans are interested in negotiating and talking about this, Others, like House Speaker Mike Johnson, have poured cold water all over this. Democrats also want to ban officers from using face coverings, but Republicans are broadly opposed to this and say that it would make it easier for people to dox federal agents.

Okay, so they have nine days. The clock is now ticking. I'm wondering if lawmakers really think they can get this done. What does your reporting suggest?

Many members are skeptical that less than two weeks is even enough time to come up with such a large compromise. If they can't get this done, they could risk a shutdown of just DHS, which puts at risk non-immigration parts of the agency, like disaster response and TSA.

That is NPRS. Ximena Bustillo. Ximena, thank you.

Thank you.

Peace talks aimed at ending the war in Ukraine resume in Abu Dhabi today.

They've advanced to the point where Ukrainian and Russian negotiators are now meeting face-to-face with the US. President Trump has said he is more optimistic than ever. Last week, the President asked Russian President Vladimir Putin to hold off on striking Kyiv and other Ukrainian cities during a frigid winter while the negotiations are underway.

We're going to go now to NPRS Eleanor Beardsley, who is in Ukraine's capital Kyiv, to hear more. Good morning, Eleanor.

Good morning, Michelle.

Tell us about this pause the President asked for. Did that happen?

Well, yeah, it did. For a couple of nights, Ukraine cities did not get hit with the sworms of drones and missiles they've become used to, but it didn't last long. Monday night, the strikes resumed. I was here in bed when they started after midnight, and you could hear loud cracking and booming in the sky as they were met with air defenses and a swooshing noise from the ground. President Zelenskyy said Russia is, more interested in taking advantage We have the coldest days of winter to terrorize people than diplomacy. Here's Zelenskyy speaking in his daily address to the people last night. He says, We see how Russia responds to a personal request from the President of the United States with ballistic missiles. Not even four full days have passed.

Then why is President Trump hailing progress?

Well, it seems there has been great progress on security guarantees, which are crucial for Ukraine to make sure Russia does not use its gains as a launch pad to reinvade in the future. Secretary General of NATO, Mark Rutte, was in Kyiv yesterday. He spoke to the Ukrainian Parliament. But before that, he visited a thermal power plant that was hit that night, cutting power and heat to more than a thousand apartment buildings in Kyiv, according to the mayor. As overnight temperatures, Michelle hit minus 10 degrees Fahrenheit, here's Rutte standing in the midst of the mangled steaming wreckage of the plant.

This plant was hit last night by five Russian missiles without any use in terms of military aids. It's only to create chaos and fear in ordinary citizens living in Ukraine.

You know, Ruta said this shows that Russia is not serious about peace. However, Ruta is trusted by President Trump and the Ukrainians, and He painted an optimistic picture in the Ukrainian parliament. He said, Europeans are ready to put peacekeeping troops on the ground, air, and sea once the fighting stops. He said, The US, President Trump personally has agreed to be the backstop, meaning any peace would be guaranteed not by signed papers, but by, quote, hard force.

Okay, well, that does sound like progress. What are the sticking points then?

Well, there could be many. First of all, the Kremlin welcomes diplomacy but says it's not aware of these security guarantees. Russia has always said, if there are European troops in Ukraine, that'd be a legitimate target. Russia has not backed down from its demands that Ukraine hand over the 22% of the Eastern Donetsk region that its troops have been unable to take in four years of fighting. That includes a heavily fortified belt of land with some battered cities that blocks Russian forces from progressing further West towards Kyiv.

How do Ukrainians feel about that?

Well, they're against giving that land up, Michelle. Even in this frigid winter without heat and power, Ukrainians refuse to give in. Yesterday, I was out walking on the Nipro River that cuts through the heart of Kyiv. It's now frozen. I talked to ice fishermen who told me, laughing, that it was warmer out there in the bright sun than in their homes with no power. Here is 65-year-old Volodymyr Karabenko, who spoke to us through NPR's producer Polina Lipvinova.

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We won't surrender.

We won't give up, at least without a fight.

That's what you hear out on the streets and the river, and that's But polls say neither the bombing nor the cold is breaking Ukrainians.

That is. And Paris Eleanor Bersley in Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine. Eleanor, thanks.

You're welcome, Michelle.

President Trump said this week that Republicans should take over voting in a number of places and nationalize elections.

On the podcast of his former FBI Deputy Director, Dan Bongino, Trump made a number of false claims about non-citizens voting before pushing for more federal control of elections.

We should take over the voting in at least many, 15 places. The Republicans ought to nationalize the voting. Just to be clear, that would be super illegal without some change in the law. On Tuesday, White House Press Secretary, Caroline Levet, claimed the President was referring to a bill that he wants Republicans to pass in Congress. The President repeated his desire while appearing with Republican lawmakers. If a state can't run an election, I think the people behind me should do something about it. Because if you think about it, a state is an agent for the federal government in elections. I don't know why the federal government doesn't do them anyway.

Miles Parks covers this issue for NPR, so we're going to ask him to fact check all this Miles Parks. Good morning. Good morning. Thanks for joining us. Good morning. Let us start with what President Trump said. What do you make of it?

I mean, it feels like another one of those moments where Trump says the quiet part out loud, right? I mean, for much of his second term, we've reported on this idea that his administration has been encroaching on state responsibilities when it comes to elections. But this is the clearest we've heard the President just come out and say he wants to take over in some places. In terms of where exactly he's talking about these 15 places, that's still a a little bit unclear, though he did mention Atlanta, Detroit, and Philadelphia, all places controlled by Democrats, all places with high minority populations, and all places that election conspiracy theories have really focused since 2020.

I want to ask you about some of the other ways that the President has sought to influence elections. But first, can you just give us a little background, a little history here? What does the Constitution say about a President's role in elections? He has basically no role.

Article 1, section 4 of the Constitution, known as the Elections Clause, says that states It's run elections, though Congress can pass laws to make national rules.

How has President Trump been pushing that boundary?

A few different ways. I mean, shortly after he took office, he signed an executive order that's been blocked by the courts for trying to overstep his presidential authority in elections. The Department of Justice is asking every state for unredacted versions of their voter lists, seemingly to try to police how they're maintaining those lists. The majority of states haven't complied. Then most recently, we saw this rate in Fulton County last week. Fulton County, Georgia, where federal agents seized election equipment and ballots related to Trump's loss there in 2020. And local officials I talk to see a trend here. Here's how main Secretary of state, Shena Bellows, she's a Democrat, put at an event on Friday.

We know the 2020 election was safe and secure, as was the 2024 election. And so will be that 2026, as long as the federal government stops its unconstitutional unlawful interference.

The states are sovereign, she said, and Trump needs to, quote, back off.

So Secretary Billis is a Democrat. Are only Democrats concerned about this?

Democrats have definitely been more vocal on this issue, but I've heard from Republican election officials as well this year who say that they are actively preparing for the idea of federal interference in this year's midterms. It's also worth remembering that in 2020, there were many, many Republican election officials that stood up to Trump's pressure campaign. So over the next nine months, this is definitely going to be something I'm watching, how Republican election officials engage with some of this rhetoric, especially since states rights, the idea of states rights in elections, has been a big conservative value over the years.

That is. Npr voting correspondent, Miles Parks. Miles, thank you. Thanks, Michelle. And that's up for Wednesday, February fourth. I'm Michelle Martin.

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