Transcript of Whistleblower Exposes the Real Puppet Masters Controlling the State Department and Plans for Gaza

You were marched out of the State Department two weeks ago. You left involuntarily. I want to hear why. But first, what did you do there? What was your job at the State?

I was a press officer in the New York Eastern Affairs Bureau. Started September 2024. Essentially, the main bread and butter role of a press officer is twofold. One is preparing the spokesperson before they go on the podium and do their daily press briefing. And second, reporters ask questions all the time. So a reporter with XYZ outlet submits a question, and it's our job to use cleared lines, or cleared meaning approved lines, and send them back to the reporter. And if you ever read an article and it says, I A State Department spokesperson said X. Those are press officers taking those cleared lines and sharing it with that reporter.

Who clears the lines?

Good question. So a press officer will draft the lines. From there, it will go up a ladder, essentially. So there'll be desk officers, leadership in the NAA press office itself, and then it goes up to the seventh floor, meaning the secretary's policy planning office, the deputy secretary state's office. But it's not themselves. You're not going to get the deputy secretary state looking at this. It's going to just be a staffer who represents that equity. So it becomes an inclusive process to make sure everyone has eyes on it. And if there are flags, they'll let you know. For example, you could be driving a line on Israel, but it involves Lebanon. On. But there's another press officer and a whole other desk and leadership working on Lebanon that might have an equity that you may not be aware of that they'll edit the line.

Describe the bureau that you work for, Near Eastern Affairs. Yes. What is that?

It's an old-school name Basically means anything involved in the Middle East. So it's Morocco to Iran, essentially.

The whole Middle East, not just the Levant.

Like the whole Middle East. Yeah. Near East. They need to update the name. I think people are aware. But yeah, it's the entire Middle East. They use all these acronyms. Israeli Palestine Affairs is IPA or ISPA, Saudi, Oman, Yemen, Bahrain. That whole grouping is ARP for Arabian Peninsula. Then North Africa is its own entity as well, from Morocco to Egypt. It goes under NA.

Okay, so it's the Levant, the Gulf, Iran, not Iran, Iraq.

Iran, Iraq.

Huh? Interesting. And that's all in the same bureau. So the State Department divides the world into bureaus. Correct. Which are often called desks, correct?

Correct. So from Canada down to Chile's WHA, Western hemisphere Affairs, Asia's EAP, East Asia Pacific. So you have all these divisions.

Europe, Africa.

Correct. Eur for Europe, Africa's AF. I was an NEA, and I was a press officer there, originally covering Lebanon, Jordan, just for a couple of and I quickly shifted to Ispal.

Israel, Palestine.

Israel, Palestine.

Whoa. That's the hottest of all desks, I would think. Yes. Most scrutiny, most at stake, rhetoric, most closely supervised, I'm just guessing, but right?

Yes, it's true. The press officer for Israeli Palestine Affairs, you're on a stage constantly because you're getting the most questions from reporters for good reason. The spokesperson is going to deal with the most questions at the podium about the topic. It was a complement, yet difficult for me to process the fact that it was requested from various people in leadership. When the administration was changing in January, they said, Hey, I know you've only been here for a couple of months, but we're going to put you in this position, which was surprising, but I wanted to take on the challenge at the Really?

So you were asked to do that by the incoming administration, by the Trump administration?

Well, it was people from... It was leadership in NEA, which some of them were civil servants, but there were experienced people that recognized how heavy of a topic it was going to be coming in.

How do you get current on that? How do you do your research?

It's multifold. We do receive, in terms of standard mainstream media, we do get copies of articles and coverage. It's not necessarily politically isolated, at least in the beginning, it wasn't. I would see everything in my email inbox, plus personally, I'm always absorbing things. You're only going to be a good press officer if you're reading Twitter and the standard emails you're getting through the inbox. You're absorbing a lot of information. It's not just the details. Of course, if I have a question, I'm going to go to the Israel experts at the State Department. If I If there's a detail I don't know, there might be a desk officer or someone like that that would know the numbers or the challenges that I need for a specific press line. For me, though, as a press officer, my addition in those conversations is more stylistic. If we put this line out there, we're going to invite these problems, or it's good if we say it this way because this will help us, it'll defend us in this other way. It was a stylistic endeavor from day to day. You don't have full control because obviously, the personality of someone at the podium is going to say it one way, even though I was hoping this line would deliver this other way.

You don't have full control, but you do have a-Who's the spokesman from the near East? Well, right now, it's more the spokesperson of the entire department that I was briefing. It was Tammy Bruce. She left. Then there's deputies that are currently-Where did Tammy Bruce go? She's going to the UN. From understanding. Okay.

Were you given parameters? How do you get your orders? We do say this, we don't say that.

The main day-to-day activity, and I think people may not be aware of, or probably not aware of, is that I have these packets called press guidance, called PG. On Tuesday and Thursday, which are the days that a spokesperson will go onto the podium, I would have all the sample questions. Some of them are tasked from the main press office at the State Department. But I also would come up with my own questions like, Hey, we're getting this question a lot. We need to have lines for this. We can't leave this alone. I'd create a packet, clear it through the building, like I was saying earlier, through the seventh floor, and then I'd present that briefly to the spokesperson about two hours before she went on the podium.

How do you know what the official US position, especially on that topic, Israel-Palestine? I mean, that's, again, the most politicized area there is, and the stakes are high. So how do you know what the official US position is on that conflict?

It's a very good question. And especially in the beginning of the administration, it's a bit of an art. You're taking the gold for a press officer or lines from the principles. Essentially, if President Trump says something, if Special Envoy Wykoff says something, I take those quotes and I'm like, okay, that's policy. So if he's talking about- And I think that's literally true, right?

I mean, the President unilaterally can form our foreign policy.

Yeah. There's no questioning a quote that comes from a principle, especially President Trump or Secretary Rubio for the State Department is often the case. So I would take those lines and it would answer certain questions that would come up. Where are we with the ceasefire? Special Envoy Wykow went on XYZ Sunday show. I'll pull that line and I'll brief the spokesperson, and then she or he can quote Special Envoy Wykow at the podium again because that's the policy. That's the easiest way of doing it. You don't always have quotes. So what would happen instead is you have- Did you have a good question on that? Question on?

Well, I mean, if you say you should respond in this way and then cite the President or Steve Wykoff or Secretary Rubio, then that ends the conversation, right?

It should end the conversation. What was surprising, and this will go back to why when I ended up departing and getting fired in August, was that on a specific question, one of the three events I think led up to my firing was on a Monday, we received a question about forced displacement, which is essentially ethnic cleansing, and what our policy was about Israel intending to move Palestinians in Gaza to South Sudan.

To South Sudan? Yeah.

Every two or three months, we had a new reporting would come out. In the spring, it was they're moving Palestinians in Gaza to Libya. There was a rumor about Somaliland, even though we don't recognize Somaliland, but there was reporting about, are we going to do an exchange? Where we recognize them all I land, but they have to take on Palestinians. Then we had an Ethiopia round. Then the last round that I witnessed before I left was South Sudan.

That appears in somewhere in somewhere in the press.

Appear somewhere in the press, and we received a question, what's your response to this reporting? And then I came up with a line, but it wasn't a line that I just came up out of the blue. It was something that President Trump and Special Envoy Whitkoff had said in other words in the spring, I said, We do not support forced displacement. And why?

What did they say about it? So that was your interpretation of what they said. Do you remember what they said, what Whitkoff and Trump said on that topic?

So, This is specifically special in what Witkopf said something. We said something along the lines of we're not trying to evict anybody. Right. So as a press officer, there's an art to it, right? Because you can sometimes do the exact quote, or you can come up with a new line that reflects that quote.

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Keep in mind, this had already been cleared. It was approved for about a couple of weeks before this particular question popped up because the Ethiopia rumor was July 28th. So I put it in the PG, put it in the packet, cleared through. I briefed it multiple times. When that question came up, I said, I actually probably have the right to just send that line because it cleared so many times. But to be extra careful, I sent it out to the the spokesperson and their staff and made sure the most important equities were reclear it. From my understanding, now, I wasn't on the chain, but from my understanding, they went to the secretary's office and they cut that line of, We do not support forced displacement. The only other bullet that we have, which is pretty standard, is we don't discuss private deal-by-the-conversation, which is a standard line we always say.

The investigation is ongoing.

Yeah, exactly. It's one of those lines, pretty standard. That line was there. That's all we ended up providing. There's some sensitivity, which I found very odd because Out of the three events, I can get into the other ones, but that was just number two. But the two days before I was fired, that Thursday and Friday, the only feedback that I got, because my bureau was confused as to why the secretary's office was coming down on me because they don't know me. I don't interact with a random press officer at any day. Maybe a little bit more because of the sensitive topic, but chains are generally low. My leadership said, Hey, they're asking where you got that line from, from on Monday. I'm like, Today's Thursday. You four days later, they're asking me where I got this line that I drafted. But they cut it. I went through the procedure, right? They cut it, and the reporter never saw that line.

Did they explain why they cut it?

No. All I got from all I heard, all I witnessed was the acting spokesperson saying-So you were paraphrasing the envoy, Steve Wykoff, and the President of the United States, Donald Trump, when you said the United States does not support a forced displacement.

I don't think we do support that, do we, by the way?

I would hope so.

Yeah, one would hope not. Right. And especially, we're not going to pay for that. And they cut that out but didn't explain why. And then your supervisors came to you and said, Hey, they're complaining about you, basically.

Right. And they only specified that line, just the act of drafting it. And I was like, I have a track record. They asked me Thursday afternoon and Friday morning, twice in a row, which is very odd for a random bullet. I was like, I have the evidence from July 28th of clearing this press guidance with that line. And here are the relevant quotes.

Does anyone say, by the way, you may not know this, but the United States does support forced displacement?

No one said that. No one said that.

But by the way, sorry, you got it wrong. We're all about forced displacement. We want to trail a tears situation here because we're for that.

It's tragic because it's such a standard- So bunker. Yeah. That's something you would want to advertise. You want to put out there that we're against this. Hey, we still have some moral standing somewhere. And when the Washington Post piece came out, like yesterday, two days ago, saying there's some plan involving the consultations of Tony Blair, of moving Gazen's out, but we may pay for something, a piece of it. I'm like, why? So is this why I got fired? Is it because I was still sticking through this line, and they saw me as some obstacle, which I wasn't because I was going through the exact procedures they wanted. But I knew that when I was fired, as someone who was, again, close with political pointees and with civil servants and was pretty well established in NEA, again, like I said earlier, you don't get this role covering Israeli-Palestinian affairs on a whim. And it was suddenly pushed out. That means things are going to go into a very radical direction.

Well, yeah. I should also say, because I know that you will be attacked, and I'll be attacked for speaking to you on the following grounds. This guy is a partisan Democrat who liked Bernie. He was a saboteur, a wrecker. I know from our conversations off camera, at least what you said to me was, he basically agreed with Trump's foreign policy instincts. Yeah. Fewer pointless wars, get along with foreign people.

Yeah, that's fair. I've always been an advocate for ending endless war on a personal level. And so when President Trump is saying, Hey, we don't want to get into new forever wars. I'm like, That's great. And we technically started with a ceasefire in Gaza and started the administration. That was something we could have expanded on. We were speaking to the Iranians. There's so many chances for true peace, but things went in the wrong direction. I would say somewhere in the summer, right? I remember listening to President Trump's speech in Saudi in May, where he was talking about-Amazing speech. Love that I remember I was like-I was cheering. Exactly. In my cubicle at the State Department, I was like, This is a great speech.

I was too. That was one of the best speeches ever given.

I was like, This is amazing.

It was ballsy, too. Yes.

Calling out neocons. Oh, I know. No one calls out neocons in DC, right? No, of course not. We brush that under the rug. We kept moving. We still see them as an analyst here and there on TV.

Here and there? They dominate the biggest cable news channel. Yes, I'm aware. Yeah.

So I was so glad to see that. But then why, two weeks later, were we sabotaging our own talks with Iran and then bombing them, right? So the events, the idea that I'm some partisan is just wrong. Yes, on a personal avenue, I don't want any more endless wars. But President Trump was in line with that. And I was doing my job in line with the procedures that were necessary every single day.

Yeah, but it sounds like you agreed with him. So I guess that's my point. If you like that, I don't know. A lot of these is, some of the labels are real, but some of them are also created and certainly sustained in order to keep people from listening to each other so they don't discover they actually agree on a lot. If you love the Saudi speech, and I love the Saudi speech, then we're probably not too far from each other then, because I thought that, and that was a Donald Trump speech. And by the way, if you're such a partisan Democrat, you're admitting on camera that you love to Donald Trump speech, you're not too partisan, I guess. But anyway, I just want to see because here I am.

Honesty matters. Yeah, it's It's the issues we have in foreign policy that I care about. I don't care about the labels per se.

Well, I don't either. Well, they're clearly meaningless. Yes. If we're both cheering on the Riyadh speech. So yes. Okay. I just wanted to establish that. So you start hearing from your boss is like, hey, what is this thing that you put in there about opposing force displacement?

We've always- Yeah, four or five days earlier, not even the next day. There was a delay annoyance. It was weird.

So you said that there were three Any examples of this where they found problems with your work?

Right. And some of this, it made sense from hindsight because in the moment, I didn't realize. But Sunday, Israel had struck a tent with several journalists living inside, including Anas, who millions of people had watched to cover the events in Gaza. They all died. I drafted a line, a few lines. And by the way, there were not some softy lines. The The only thing that was there that they didn't like was they did share condolences, which is pretty standard policy.

Condolences? What do you mean?

So I said, We share condolences for the families of the killed journalists. That's all.

Well, that sounds That sounds like hate speech to me. Condolences to the families of people who got killed. Non-combatants killed in war.

And what's so disappointing, too, was that-Wait, wait.

So what happened when you put that in there?

I was immediately told from a senior official that we don't know what Anas did, essentially. I was like, That's odd. What he did? We don't know what his conduct was. We don't know. We need more information. She or he was alluding to the fact that he may have done something or he's a problematic actor in some way. But it was weird.

Okay, Let me just say, I would be totally comfortable sharing condolences with Osama bin Laden's family. I hate Osama bin Laden. On the other hand, if somebody dies, it's okay to say, I'm sorry to his family that you're- He got a toddler. That's what I'm saying. That's immaterial. I would say that to the family of an executed murderer in a prison. It doesn't mean I support the murderer or the murderer, but this is family. That's okay. That's called human decency. Anyone who's against that Yeah.

It seems that we're setting up this constant. This is my issue that I noticed from the get-go, the constant deferring to Israel. It was like waiting for some statement, let them speak first. Then on Monday, Israel said, Al-Hamas, which is a throwaway line they've used.

Al-hamas meaning what?

They're journalists.

Were Al-Hamas?

Yeah, or at least with Anas, if I remember correctly. And so they brush that away. Were they? Look, my point when I that was, what does our intelligence say? If they were being super strict and said, Hey, we're going to triple check using our US intelligence of who these people are, maybe, maybe, right? I still don't agree with cutting the condolences line, but sure. But why is there, oh, Israel said this, done.

We don't have intel services?

Right. So what's with the instinct to defer to Israel when we have the entire apparatus that could check And then by Tuesday- We got 17 different intelligence services in this country that take a trillion dollars a year, whatever the actual budget is, and we don't consult them at all.

We wait for the Israeli spokesman to tell us what reality is.

Awful. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. And how is that America first? This whole apparatus of mirroring certain Israeli statements and waiting for them to comment first was something that I found tragic. It was odd. And that's what ended up happening. By the press briefing that Tuesday, we're like, We refer you to Israel, which was a line that popped up in my press guidance way too often.

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Right.

And that came up on any topic that was somewhat sensitive or waiting for Israel to make a move.

Does the State Department have any position that contradicts the position of the Israeli government that you're aware of?

No. I think- No? The closest, I think for US interest, we do. But in our current policy and posture, we do not. So what- Not one. The closest we got- Do you have any siblings? I do.

Do you love them?

I love them.

Do you have any sticking points with them? Is there something you don't fully agree?

As any siblings do.

Exactly. So loving someone or having an alliance with someone or even sharing the same parents as somebody doesn't mean that you have to agree at every little point.

It would be weird. You did.

It would be weird. Identical twins have to disagree.

This is getting a little weird. Why is everyone acting like this? It's very strange. And the closest we came, and there was no follow-through, was when... I actually liked the statement. It was a thousand other things. I had personal issues, which was irrelevant. But Ambassador Huckabee, when there was these Taiba attacks against Christians in West Bank, he did put out a statement saying, These attacks are unacceptable. We call on Israel to investigate. But there's no follow-through, right?

What do you mean?

He had a statement that said-Oh, I remembered very well. Yeah, there's no follow-through. And you're like, Oh, that's a good statement. I'm like, wow.

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I don't care who you are. It was one statement, and there was no... If we got questions, Hey, what's the status of the investigation? Be free to Israel.

No one at the State Department looked into it?

Not that I saw.

This is a majority Christian country, but nobody felt like that would be a good use of American tax dollars to find out what this was or ask anybody any questions.

That's the thing. Each time there's a call for investigation, a very rare opportunity that's in front of us, there's no follow through. You have a strong statement, we did the thing, and you don't hear about it for weeks and months.

There's no one at the State Department who cared?

Look, I don't want to speak for the entire... I think there were people that cared. I think there are Christians. I cared a lot. Look, there are- A lot. There are civil servants, there are political pointies, foreign service officers that see all of this, and they're concerned. But it's this style of constantly deferring to Israel that's at the forefront. So we can criticize up to a certain point. And it's awful because if we want Israel to investigate, then we should be following up and ask, Hey, what happened in the investigation? I thought you were going to investigate. Where are the prosecutions? Who did all the damage?

Who did this and why? Yeah.

But we We never hear the follow-up.

There's no, as far as you're aware, mechanism in the State Department to... Because you've described a relationship that's unique. There's no other country in the world that has this relationship with the United States. A lot of resources go into supporting that country. But there's no mechanism in the US State Department to follow up on this?

Look, in the public realm, because I work as a press officer, so I'm always working with reporters and the presentation. Those things matter. If there was a system of following up, I didn't see it. It's possible. Personally, I doubt it.

But on the public realm-Well, if they followed up, you would have known about it because what if somebody asks you?

Right. You would think that if there was a follow up, you'd want to advertise it, too. Hey, we followed up. But the preference was to defer and and give- Nobody gives a shit.

You persecute Christians with American tax dollars. Nobody cares. Sorry, you're making me mad. No, it's frustrating. No, it is. It's frustrating to see people get shot because it's not a neutral situation. Some people are winning and some people are losing. If the losers are people that you didn't do anything wrong, the Christians aren't in Hamas. What's their crime?

Look, the scenes are horrific. So on a human level, it shouldn't matter. But if that's the whole thing of having ambassador out could be there, it's like, at least maybe you'll care about this. And then, yeah, you put a strong statement out, but don't follow up.

Yeah, they don't care at all. What's the point? Yeah, they don't care at all. Yeah, right. The self-described Christians don't care at all about the Christians. And by the way, the whole justification for all this, you just said it. These journalists get blown up. They were Hamas. Okay, end of conversation. No one can plausibly claim that a Christian family are in Hamas. Okay. Tell me, You can't claim that they're in Hamas while simultaneously claiming that Hamas is a group of jihadis, their Islamic extremists, which they also claim constantly, which I don't know if that's true, by the way. It seems more like a political organization, but whatever it is, they're telling us constantly they're Al Qaeda. So it can't also be true that Christians are a member of Al Qaeda. Sorry.

Yeah.

So then we know they're not in Hamas. So why did they get killed? Why was their church blown up? Why were they killed in that hospital? What is this? And there's not one person in the State Department who cares enough to get to the bottom of that question? Yeah.

All I saw, President Trump did call Prime Minister Netanyahu Netanyahu gave an apology for the church that was attacked in Gaza.

One of many.

But there's never There's never a follow-up. There's never like, Hey, this is the prosecution. This is where our investigation landed. It's this quick two-hour brush on the rug, put a statement out, and then you don't hear anything ever again.

Yeah. Wow. Okay. The third example of work that you produced that your superiors were unhappy with and that led ultimately to your firing was what?

It was a Tuesday. That's a press guidance day of all the sample questions. It was actually, arguably, we said OBE, which meant overcome by events, which means that we're beyond its relevancy. But it still could have come up. I left it in there. Was a reaction to Speaker Johnson visiting the settlements in the West Bank. I had a line, pretty standard, and not very specific, but it said, We support stability in West Bank. Stability? Yeah, we support stability. That's all. The last piece was comma, which helps secure Israel. But I think the stable comment was, I don't know, too much. Because if we say we want a stable West Bank, are we accidentally being critical of something Speaker Johnson or Israel is doing?

What is it? I'll flush that out if you don't mind. Sure. I know what you're saying, but I'm not sure everyone does.

No, it's a good question.

So why would the US government... So the US government is against extending condolences to the families of non-combatants killed. Correct. Okay. Correct. And the US government is also now in favor of the forced movement of large populations outside their borders. That was Monday. Right. Okay. And now you're saying the US government is against stability? How are we against stability? Why is stability a bad thing?

Now, stability is a word that's used a lot. And we are on paper saying we support stability in the region all the time. But in this specific context, when discussing settlements, it will sound like we're critiquing Israel indirectly by saying we support stability in reaction to a question about settlements. That was how I interpreted the issue.

In other words, you might be suggesting that the US government opposes radical demographic change in the West Bank. Right.

Now, I had this line, again, just like the force displacement. It had cleared previously. But this is where what was discussed when this first broke up my firing in the Washington Post was that senior officials from Ambitie Jerusalem, David Milstein, specifically, would occasionally pop into docs. Now, it didn't happen every single day.

Hop into your docs?

At a Google Doc, right? It wasn't a Google Doc. It was, I don't know, the brand doesn't matter.

But some internal system.

Yeah, an internal system. I would share it in the morning, the equities I was mentioning. One of the equities is Embassy Jerusalem.

Okay. An equity just for State Department speak. People haven't heard it. Tell us what an equity is.

Someone has some stake in those lines. Okay. And Embassy Jerusalem does, obviously, because they're the ones that are-The The US Embassy in Jerusalem. The US Embassy in Jerusalem.

American diplomats posted Israel.

On those press briefing days, I would share it with them for them to review the document and be like, okay, these are our press lines for these sample questions. Are you okay with them? Now, it was interesting because they often did not clear, they didn't reject it. They just was a non-response because the press officers there would defer up the chain to David Milstein and Ambassador Huckabee because they didn't want to put their name on it. Because if it's something that they didn't like, no one wants their name on a press guidance that wasn't approved by these influential people.

Who is David Milstein?

He is the senior advisor to Ambassador Huckabee.

How old is he? What's his background? Is he a career diplomat?

From my understanding, he's a political. I believe he worked on the Hill.

Did he work for Ted Cruz?

Yes.

Yes, he worked for Ted Cruz. Okay.

And he is the stepson of your best friend, Mark Levin.

He's Mark Levin's stepson? Yeah. Is working at the State Department?

Correct.

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Now, on paper, he could be, but the way that he would edit my docs as aggressive as he would, and we can get into this, but the other statements and pieces that were reported in the Washington Post, he would push a certain agenda that was very aligned with Israel that I found very problematic. Now, in this specific example, because we're discussing the third example of why I was fired, was that he changed the stability line We commend Speaker Johnson for visiting Judea and Samaria. We, as a government- What's Judea and Samaria? It's a term that is religious. It's about Israel's land grab of the West Bank.

Are Judea and Samaria administrative districts?

No, it's not.

Is there a mayor of Samaria?

No, it doesn't exist.

There's There's no actual place called Judea and Samaria. No. We call- The civil authorities don't recognize Judea or Samaria. No. Okay.

No. It's the more extreme wing of the elements of the Israeli government. And they Milstein was in line with that language. It's designed to erase any policy and legitimacy that this is supposed to be.

The point is, by using those terms, they're biblical terms. They refer to regions described in what Christians call the Old Testament. The point is to remind everybody that this land was promised by God to the Jewish people, to the Hebrew people, and that anyone who's lived there subsequently for the last 3,000 years has no right to it. That's the point. But from a government perspective, Judea and Samaria are not real places in that they're not-Not recognized, not used. Not nation states, they're not provinces, they're not- Correct. Do they have clearly defined borders?

Not for my understanding. They do not. That would give you the opens a door. What the fuck? It opens the door to more land grabs.

But if a place doesn't have a clearly defined border, then how can the US government refer to it in any official capacity? They can.

It's scary, too, because if you look at the airstrikes that Israel is doing in Syria, and they're building settlements even outside the Golan Heights, it's all part of this, I don't know what it is, this idea of a greater Israel that people are discussing that was beyond these borders. So it's scary. And it's against the stability of the region that we've been calling for as a government for decades.

Certainly in the modern era, definitely since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, you've had clear borders between countries. In fact, we're fighting war against Russia right now on the premise that they violated those borders by moving into Eastern Ukraine. The US government takes borders very seriously, obviously not including our own. But as a matter of like, statecraft and diplomacy, that really, really matters. So you would never use a phrase in an official communication that referred to a place whose territory you couldn't define. That would be 100 %. Fucking crazy to do something like that.

A hundred %.

Okay. So you think this Milstein guy who is Marklevin's stepson, you say, it's almost like you're making this up. It's like a joke, who worked for Ted Cruz in the Senate. He added this to the statement. Correct. And then did it go out?

So from that point, I cut it because I even accepted most of his edits in the document because going to battle with him was a whole headache because he'll call, he'll push certain things. He was known for doing that. David Milstein phone call was not a favorite thing for folks to do.

What was it like? Tell us for those of us who don't work with Mark Levin's steps on at the State Department.

Sure. He would call and he just pushed, Why was that removed? Or why was X, Y, Z done? Very often, and if you said no, there was a tendency to go up the chain in order for him to push the agenda of any given day. And this is something that I dealt with since very early.

Where is his... Okay, so is he the DC PM? No.

He's just a senior advisor to Ambassador Huckabee.

He's like an assistant to the US ambassador to Israel.

Correct. And he does sticking with the public reporting from Washington Post, he would push in one occasion, a statements that were in the voice of Secretary Rubio, not even the spokesperson. And you drafted them. We would push them through. I want this statement out.

I want this statement out?

Yeah. He would go through and be like, I drafted this. This is the statement I want. I would go He was through the process of clearing it, but he would fight for it. He'd be in the document getting an argument with people one by one in order to overwhelm the process and get certain His agenda out there the way he wanted. It's very difficult.

On what authority? I mean, that's pretty cheeky behavior for a guy who's an aid to Mike Huckabee, the former cable news host.

He would call around the building, and it was very consistent and persistent.

But he lives in Jerusalem.

He does.

What do you mean call around?

And policy comes from DC. This is obviously they have influence, and they have discussions, but the policy comes from DC.

What do you mean call around?

He would go either laterally or up the chain and call various people and say, Hey, Ambassador Huckabee, Huckabee, usually, and say, Wants this done or for X, Y, Z reason. And If that person didn't pick up, it would go to the next person. Even if we're discussing equities earlier, if one particular equity said, We can't do this, then he would go up. Well, I don't care because this guy above you may clear it.

What? How does he have everyone's number?

That's what I was wondering. I don't know.

But David Milstein, an assistant in the US Embassy in Jerusalem, I just want to restate. I've been growing I've grown up around this. That's not a high-level post. He's like zero authority to do anything.

And is drafting a statement on behalf... This is very audacious, to draft a statement on behalf of Secretary Rubio. The Secretary of State. Yes. In one occasion, again, referring just to public reporting, was the statement to condemn Ireland for considering a bill that would put economic sanctions on Israel.

Condem Ireland? As you can imagine, folks- So David Milstein was demanding, in effect, that the Secretary of State condemn Ireland because Ireland defended the government of Israel? Yeah.

Actually, if I remember correctly, strongly condemn, which isn't really, in diplomatical speaking, we have strongly. But, yes, strongly condemn Ireland.

As a nation?

Well, the government, I guess. I don't remember the language.

But- Did Rubio read it?

That was a rare occasion where it went up the ladder and it was eventually killed, but it required the European Affairs Bureau and NEA and everyone. It took a lot of effort because he was so laser-focused on getting that through. Who is that- Would that be good for the United States, condemming Ireland? It would be good for Israel. Could use our political and diplomatic capital on this statement that would punish Ireland for considering something.

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It was like, oh, you don't hear from him for three days. All of a sudden, you're getting a phone call and a bunch of edits on something, and they disappear again.

Did he have your cell?

The work cell.

Yeah, he did. How did you get your number?

Well, at that point, early on, I think someone asked that I share with them. That was on my end.

Wow. But did you ever see David Milstein thinking about what's good for the United States? We're getting aggressive on behalf of what our interest might be as distinct from Israel's interests?

I've perceived a lot of his actions as very Israel first, from my point of view. Because that statement didn't make sense. Those edits, the press lines didn't make sense. In particular with Judea and Samaria, that not only would not make sense for how dangerous it is for what that means, because as you discussed, there's no land barrier to that, but it hurts our relationships to the region. For example, we rely on Jordan for so many things. But if we start calling it Judea and Samaria, that undermines our military relationship, our relationship dealing with refugees in Jordan.

Also, some of that land is in Jordan. Exactly. Right. I mean, you can't. I mean, if... Yeah, that would cause problems.

That's one example. The whole region is going to be upset.

This is diplomacy. This is the State Department of the United States of America, which is still a global superpower even now. Jordan economy relies on USAID. We proffer that aid at the request of Israel because Jordan is filled with refugees in the 1948 war that created Israel and subsequent refugees, '67, and filled with refugees, including from Syria, a war that we fought on behalf of Israel. We paid Jordan. We also paid Egypt to keep them calm. Now you're saying He wanted to issue a statement saying to Jordan, by the way, part of your territory and what you thought was a sovereign nation actually doesn't belong to you. Yeah.

Terrible. So we can go back to that day three because I cut that line. And by the way, this isn't a unilateral action by me. There are others who agree with me. So I'm not doing it with the backing of my own thoughts.

Well, that's not That's a hard one. Judea and Samaria, I mean, isn't there... I mean, it's been a long time since we're on the State Department, but I always thought there was a... There's a protocol to things, which in some cases is silly, but some cases is real. Do we refer to that region as Judea and Samaria, or don't we? This is something that's been gone over before, correct?

Yeah. No, we don't. We don't.

We never have.

We don't. We never have. Secretary Rubio did not use it. President Trump did not use it. Ambassador Huckabee has. Now, that's different.

Did anyone ever ask Ambassador Huckabee, what land specifically are you referring to when you say that?

Not from what I've seen.

Because the reporters are morons. That's why. When someone ask an obvious question like, Judea and Samaria, where's that? Can you draw it for me on a map? Show me the boundaries of this place you're talking about.

Well, even if they did ask, the lines wouldn't even answer the question directly. Because in person, they should have asked them, Yes, I agree.

What are you talking about? Where is that? No one will ever ask that question.

Ambassador Huckabee always had extreme comments, either in person or on his Twitter account. But for most of my time at the State Department, the response would be, Well, those are Ambassador Huckabee's words. We do this dance. But now, especially after firing me, you're getting in an unleashed embassy Jerusalem because who's going to do anything to stop them? Because they already had so much influence to begin with. But when I'm used as an example people, they fire me as someone who did the very basic thing of cutting a line that did not make sense.

It's also inconsistent with long-standing US policy.

If you want to keep your job, who in the future is going to want to- Here's where you're confusing me.

Now, I know that you say he's Mark Levin's stepson, but I mean, nobody takes Mark Levin seriously, and no one watches his show, and he's just not a real person. He's an angry old man on Twitter. Who cares who's stepson he is? Why doesn't anyone and say, Hey, tell that Milstein kid to shut the fuck up. That's not hard. Why doesn't someone do that?

Honestly, that was my question. I did not know why people would… People would acknowledge the pushiness, but that's all I really got.

No one ever told him to stop?

It was difficult to say no to him in a lot of cases. Why? People did say no, but it took a lot of effort. From my That's a good vantage point, I'm wondering, why would someone have so much influence? Why are people almost tiptoeing around it?

It sounds like they were.

You'd have to take a group effort. Okay, this bureau and this bureau don't want to put this statement out. Then It would go away. But that was it.

Is really a lot of this, you think, based on your experience, was coming from this one guy?

Correct. Now, it was him, although you're right that he does have limitations over his title. He can't, an advisor, Ambassador Huckabee, can't fire me. But he does have particular people on the seventh floor. When I mean by seventh floor, it's people around Secretary Rubio, that from my perspective, he looped in the neocons that were influential, and they had the power to do so. So he would rile them up on Israel or me or whatever issue there was, and they would come down. So my firing didn't come from from Milstein. Of course. It came from Secretary Rubio staff. And these are a couple of Heritage Foundation guys who are on foreign policy. You can say, oh, President Trump, he's going to have Heritage guys there. That's his right as someone who won the election. But if you listen to President Trump on foreign policy, it doesn't make sense to have a bunch of heritage guys around you.

So you said that Milstein, who is a nobody on the org chart, had amazing power, including making personnel decisions effectively, because he would just go over everyone's head along the chain, up to and including the seventh floor, management level at the State Department and had influence with people on Secretary Rubio's staff. Do you know who?

My understanding was that it was his Deputy Chief of Staff that came down in order to to essentially fire me.

Now, I think that'd be Dan Holler, formerly of Heritage. Possible? Possible. Okay. So you'd heard that?

I heard that.

But it was pretty clear to you that it was David Milstein, the assistant to the US ambassador to a foreign country who was basically line-editing statements out of State Department HQ.

Yeah. It was another hint, too, was that I had flagged for the spokesperson's staff the intention to add Judaism area, just the FYI, this happened. The next day, which was Wednesday, instead of moving along, the staff asked, actually, the acting spokesperson asked to speak with David Milstein about the West Bank lines, but without me. Then the next day, Thursday, is when people started coming down on me. The way I pieced it together was that that conversation about West Bank lines and Milstein being aware that I cut the Judea and Samaria Line led to the Thursday, Friday crackdown from the Secretary's office.

Just to be clear, again, putting Judea and Samaria in an official US government communication is like using the term Narnia or something. It's not a real place. This is fantasy land, and it's beneath a great power to even have dumb conversations like this.

It opens the door to instability. It opens door to hurting our relationships significantly with our partners. It doesn't serve US interests to- At all. At all.

Okay. Did anyone else at the State Department share these views? That crosses, just as someone from DC, I just like, no, that crosses a bright line.

Yeah, look, there are folks who might be close to that worldview. But from my personal interactions, Milstein was the farthest out there.

I have to ask this, but I just want to be clear, I don't think you should punish people for their relatives. I'm not mad at David Milstein because his stepfather is a douche. I mean, that's certainly not his fault at all. And neither is David Milstein Mark Levin's fault. I just want to be clear about that. I don't believe in collective punishment unlike some other countries like Israel, which is big on collective punishment. I oppose it completely as a Christian. So I'm not engaging in it here. But did you ever see Mark Levin over there? Did he have any role in the operation of the State Department?

I never came across anything. I think there was a lot happening above my head, regardless. Just even my firing, it's like, embassy Jerusalem was contacting this guy who was then trying to crack down on me. And then it's a mystery for a day or two why that's happening. And then it becomes clear. Those conversations are concerning. And It makes me question, if we're talking about the Saudi speech in May of President Trump, how do we go from that statement to these policies? That is my biggest question out of all of this, is why did this pivot happen? What does this mean for Israel policy moving forward? It's already extreme to begin with. Is it going to become even more radical? It already has.

Does anybody else... I mean, are there other people at State Department? You came in not as a former Trump staffer, but as someone who, as you've said, agreed with his basic impulse on foreign policy, which is like, Hey, let's have more peace, less war. There must have been other people there who were like, full-blown America first people, I would think, would hope. Did any of them I would never say to you, This isn't really America first?

It's true. Look, people were happy after Trump one when like, Okay, we're getting Trump two, but we don't have John Bolton and Michael Payo. Exactly. And Nikki Haley back again. The issue is a lot of the personnel problems are still there, but at a more... It's more subtle. An ambassador Huckabee, to me, is still part of that same grouping in terms of the damage it can do in our foreign policy.

Give me an example of the damage you think Huckabee has done to American foreign policy since you paid close attention to his statements, and I really haven't.

It's the lack of accountability Our ability for... Well, having Milcine around, adding Judaism, right? These are your trusted senior advisors, right? And so there's that. There's the no follow through on what happened in Tai Bay in the West, in in the West Bank and what happened in the church in Gaza. It's our entire Israel policy. He goes out there. There were tweets from several weeks ago where he was attacking the UK Prime Minister, ambassador was. He started calling the Prime Minister out for questioning Israel's conduct in Gaza. He said, if you... Something along the lines of, if it wasn't for Dresden, you'd all be speaking German. So green lighting the slaughter of Palestinians essentially think it's okay, which was horrific language.

He endorsed Dresden?

It's on Twitter. It was horrific.

The bombing of Dresden?

Yeah, he was comparing Dresden to what was happening in Gaza and saying- I don't think there's It's hardly a pro-Hitler.

I'm anti-Hitler, for whatever it's worth, just to be clear. It's hardly pro-Nazi to say that what the Allies did in the British, really, mostly at Dresden, was a war crime. I mean, nobody would say otherwise. He endorsed the Dresden bombing?

Who gives an ambassador the green light to poke at a ally's Prime Minister, the UK, a true ally, and two, the nonchalant attitude towards the slaughter of people, both in Dresdon or in comparing it to what's happening in Gaza is, it's, it's-Yeah, that's not-so, of course, that's David-that's not the Christian view.

You know, murdering innocence is always wrong, period.

That is damaging- No matter who does it.

I despise the UK and its Prime Minister, and I'm totally happy to urinate on both. But it should be from the perspective of what's good for the United States, not what's good for another country. Like, that's bonkers. That's really... Yeah. Does anybody say anything about that internally? Is there any effort to- Well, yeah, all the time.

People cringe at it when they see all those tweets.

Well, so typically in administration, the ambassador serves the president as the chief diplomat in the country to which he's posted. There are a million examples all the time of the ambassador getting called back to Washington or getting a cable from DC. Whoa, that's not our policy. Pull it in line with what the president's view is because that's who you work for.

Right.

So if- And did anyone do that with Huckabee?

Never. You have... He's representing Secretary Rubio Secretary Rubio is representing the President, and no one is stopping Ambassador Huckabee from going fully unleashed. And that's why my very basic edits and suggestions from that week was such a red flag that he had to get rid of me immediately. What that means is that if we're not stopping Ambassador Huckabee at that level, that becomes policy.

Yes, that's right.

Right? So that's it. If I'm going to be fired for lines of what were or should be, I think are, President Trump's views, then things are moving in a more radical direction, and they will.

Yeah. I mean, I guess I am We're moving in a bunch of different radical directions, like banning high interest loans. I'm strongly for that. What I'm not in favor of is moving in radical directions on behalf of a foreign country whose interests are not the same as ours, that are aligned in some things and diverge at other points, but they're not the same. Why would you want to be radical on behalf of another country?

It makes no sense.

It's unpatriotic. It's totally wrong. And it's America last. It's also a form of treachery, I think, subverting our foreign policy on behalf of another country? I'm not a citizen in that country. It's my tax dollars. What are you doing? Right?

Right. And we did all of this. We're burning diplomatic capital left and right. Australia, the UK, Canada. We've all these US allies considering recognizing the Palestinian state. And we're going out there attacking them one by one on behalf of Israel. Those are our partners.

Is it worth- But we're also not... I mean, all those countries have basically eliminated human rights in their own countries, eliminated freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of association. They've got political prisoners. It's crazy what those countries are doing to their own citizens. We don't say a word. But if they criticize a foreign, another country, then we attack them?

Yeah. We have other issues we could discuss with them, but instead, we choose to make Israel this odd red line. It takes a lot of diplomatic capital to attack your allies. We need them for so many things. It doesn't matter if it's trade or war or some resolution of the UN. This is horrific.

I want to ask you a couple of just policy questions I mean, and just if you don't mind. Sure. Because they're speculative, but I just want to draw on information that you gleaned in your job at the State Department. What is, as non-emotional and clinical as you can be, what is the What is the plan here with Gaza and the West Bank? What do you think? I keep wondering, okay, every day it's, no, we killed them, but it was a mistake or we thought they were Hamas. Okay, got it. But what is the plan? Are they really going to move 2 million people out of Gaza? Do you think that's actually going to happen?

This is what I'm afraid about. On the West Bank, I think we were setting up annexation. I think the news for the past couple of days shows that that's true.

What does annexation mean?

There's going to be an Israeli takeover of the West Bank. Basically, area C was supposed to be where the Palestinians had full control. The Israelis want to take over that and call the entire West Bank and call it part of Israel.

Then to the Arab, the Palestinians live or get voting rights?

These are all questions that they have not answered, and I don't believe anyone wants to answer.

Why? It's such an obvious question.

I know.

What's your plan? Why does no one ask that question?

Even the IDF in some occasions, in some occasions, asks, Hey, this is a military takeover. What are we going to do? And the ministers don't care.

For whatever it's worth, it's not my country, and I'm not that interested, but I just notice that the IDF for all the grief that it takes has actually been a voice of restraint in Gaza and the West Bank, at least They're like, wait a second. You're asking us. They're just a military.

They flagged going into Gaza City. They're like, hey, this is going to be the same thing.

Exactly. They're just a military with a bunch of reservists. Some professionals, but lots of reservists. And like every military, they want to know why they're putting their lives at risk. At least that's my read on it.

Yeah, it's true. And that's a whole another discussion. But I am worried about the political and direction of Israel. It's going to be more and more extreme, and those guardrails are gone. But they're taking over the West Bank. We don't know what that looks like. It's extremely dangerous.

But what's the pretext? Because the residents of the West Bank had nothing to do with the attacks on Southern Israel, right?

But it opens the door because you're so focused on on Gaza.

And this is-But is there a justification for it? They don't have any hostages in the West Bank, do they?

No, no. There is no justification. What's awful is that instead Instead of focusing on securing the release of the hostages or just securing their own country, they've used this entire war, it's nearly two years now, to pursue opportunities. We're going to bomb Beirut and kill all these civilians. We're going to bomb Syria, kill the civilians on too many occasions there, the bombing rates on Yemen, start a potential war with Iran that if President Trump had an end in it, it could have gone into a spiraled. It's very dangerous that we're letting Israel take the front seat of our US foreign policy when we have the power to end these wars immediately.

Well, we're paying for them. We're paying for them, and we paid for the Israeli strikes on Iran. I've said this to anyone who will listen, I think this will end the Republican Party. I don't think they're going to get elected to anything anytime soon after this. If they don't pull back and establish independence from this, Israel, or any other foreign power. It's not about Israel. It's about letting any other foreign country run your country. You can't have that. Everyone hates it. It's super unpopular, and it's very obvious. And if you want more Republicans in office, you can't act like this. I think they're blowing up the party over this. That's my feeling. I'm saying this with love. I'm unlike you. I'm been a pretty, I don't vote that much, but when I vote, it's Republican.

It's They voted for America first. I wouldn't vote for this.

No way.

Absolutely. And think about, on one end, it's the America first aspect that's very disappointing because this is America last in every possible way. And on the endless war front, every campaign, every winning presidential candidate said, We're not going to get, we're trying to avoid these wars, and they don't follow through. And yet we're now funding this disaster in Gaza.

But do you think that those... I mean, estimates are fair. We don't know if people have been killed in Gaza. No one's allowed to find out.

Yeah, 60K is definitely much more than that.

What do you think the real number is in Gaza?

I've read other folks who give their estimates, and it's always 100,000 up to 200,000, even more. The numbers that I've seen on the estimate scale are horrific.

Do our intel agencies have good estimates on this?

I would imagine.

But those haven't percolated down to the State Department at your level anyway.

No, absolutely not. I wish we could be discussing this. I'm also horrified, not just from the sheer numbers of killed, it's the lingering psychological effect of these poor civilians, children who've lost limbs, children who've lost parents. The damage is going to be decades and decades long.

For sure. And there will be radicalism, and probably including violence. I just pray it's not directed against the United States, but I fear that it will be. But that leaves what 2 million people still in Gaza, Palestinians, mostly Muslim, but also Christians. What happens to them? I just keep wondering what happens to them.

The comments, the policies have always shown a certain disdain. Like, oh, we'll pay them off for them to move out. They're not actually starving. It's All these, not only are they getting bombed and lose their homes and their family members, they're being thrown around this annoyance. It's horrible. But just based on the reporting, it looks like we are trying to push them out to a different country. Every two months, there's a new rumor. It seems like we're talking to these other countries in Africa.

Who the US government is?

Well, it depends on each specific case. There has been a reporting that Israel is trying to do on their own. If we're involved. And there's also been some reporting on whether our own government officials have spoken with the living government as well.

Do you think it's possible that US government officials have talked to foreign governments about accepting the population of Gaza as refugees? Do you think that's possible? Yes. Do you think that happened?

It's probable.

That's disgusting. I mean, that's just shocking to me. I don't want to believe that could be true. Why are we doing that? What do we have to do with this?

It's always about our diplomatic power. Israel's diplomatic power is limited, but who can get these objectives done? We can. That's why- In our last act as a superpower. Yeah. That's why these officials from Emory Jerusalem are dangerous because that connection is being made.

You committed trial. Well, first of all, Mike Huckabee endorsing Dresdon. I just refer you to the New Testament. That is not permitted for Christians to be in favor of that. It's just not even close. I know Huckabee. I've always liked him. I don't know what in the world, if he actually said that, I don't know what he was thinking. I'm going to look it up the second we get off this interview. But that's really shocking to me that he would say something like that. But in general, there's been a coursing, I think, of people watching this stuff, celebrating Pajer attacks and people getting their dicks off. Why would we celebrate that? But Ben Shapiro was on there jumping up and down with glee when that happened.

It's an indictment of our soul. Why did we lose this ability to empathize other people?

If you think it's thrilling that a country would indiscriminately detonate explosives in people's pockets, they don't know who's holding those things, actually. They don't know who's standing next to them. If you think that's great, Children died. Oh, I know. Anyway, I'm really sickened by it, and I'm infuriated by the requirement to celebrate it.

Why are we in this era of celebrating these violent attacks and celebrating a new weapon that comes out? But each time there's a diplomatic endeavor to end a war, it's so controversial and so heavy, and it's sold to people in such a negative way. That dichotomy is a true problem where- As empires die, people go crazy.

This is one of the things that's pretty consistent through history. They lose their sense of reality and they become violence worshippers. I just hate to see it happening to this country that I love so much and that I'm never leaving, but this is really dark.

It's so dark. It is dark.

You don't know, bottom line, what the plan is for the population of Gaza or the West Bank.

I do know they cut my line on forced displacement, and now there's a new reporting on them moving them out of Gaza. It's not headed in the right direction.

America is for forced displacement. I think this country was found out by people. This is so bonkers. Okay, last question. What was your firing like? Did they explain to you why you were being let go?

No, never explained anything to me. Technically, I heard the NEA, my bureau, New Yorkshire Affairs, technically never heard either. So it really came from up top. So very odd. They did ask me about that line. That's the only hint that we have. Look, the State Department, with all the issues that it has, does have amazing patriotic Americans working there every day. I work with them. They're trying their best. They're doing their work. They're smart. I miss working with them. I was someone that was well-established in the building with political pointies and civil They just pulled the rug from under me out of the blue, over what I explained to you earlier, which was pretty basic stuff. On the Sunday, I believe it was August 17th, lost access Then I got a text from my contractor letting me know.

Have you called David Milstein to ask what happened?

I have not. I have not.

Maybe we should call him after this.

Could. It could. Look, this whole situation was so unexpected. I was just living my life, going to work every single day, five days a week. I was doing a lot of overtime. I drafted tweets that Secretary Rubio put out, including I was up at 11: 00 PM, 12: 00 AM, in the horrific killing of those two Israeli diplomats. I was the one who was up in the middle of the night, drafting a tweet for that to come out.

The ones who were murdered in the US. Correct. Yeah, awful.

I was there for all these moments and working alongside people with different political backgrounds and to know that these folks, just without discussing with me, without getting to know me, without talking to me, saw those lines and they were gone. It's awful. Just in the office itself, it just puts this chilling effect for everybody. I will miss those colleagues, but they're good people.

They're going to- The interest in the United States should be the beginning and the end of the concern of the State Department.

Yep. Period. Absolutely.

I appreciate you taking the time to do this.

Thank you for talking to me. Thank you.

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