Transcript of Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good

So you were pretty much the first person Trump chose after he got elected. I think it was the end of that week. Right?

Yeah. I I believe I was.

Can you summarize in 1 sentence what you plan to do with the job?

Look. We had a discussion that night, and he gave me 3 rails, so 3 things he wants me to do. Number 1 is secure the border. Yeah. I'll shut the border down.

Number 2, run the biggest deportation operation this country's ever seen. And 3rd, he wants me to lead an effort to find the over 300,000 missing children that were trafficked into this country, and this administration cannot locate them.

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So seal the border, deport the illegals, find the missing children, 300,000. Yes. Let's go in order. Seal the border. How what has happened?

Do you have a sense now, over a month after Trump's victory, of just how big the invasion was under Biden? Do we know?

Well, we know that we we can document over 10 10,000,000 account or 10.5 that we can document, then we can document over 2,000,000 Godaways. Right? These are known Godaways. What is a known godaway? These are people we we we capture an image, a drone video.

Is that in addition to the 10? Yeah. So So at least 12,000,000 people

have been encountered at a border. 10.5 been encountered. Over 2 we got we got we know there are gotaway because there's a we capture on drone traffic, video traffic, or sensor traffic, and border chose over 1 that couldn't respond. So we we know there's at least 12,500,000 people at that border.

So that's like that's like New York plus Chicago?

It's a historic number, which is 1 of the reasons why I wake up pissed off every day because we went for the most secure border in my lifetime. I started in 1984 as board collegian. Worked for 6 presidents.

Where did you start, by the way?

I was board collegian. Campbell, California, San Diego sector. Yep. But to go from the most secure border of my lifetime under President Trump, based on data, right? That's just my opinion, that's data.

Go from the most secure border of my lifetime to historic illegal immigration in 1 administration, That's by design. That's not mismanagement. That's by design.

What do you think the goal was?

You know, I asked a lot of you, why would anybody open a border up? I think Joe Biden's the 1st president in in American history who came in office and unsecured a border. I worked for, you know, 6 presidents. Obama and Clinton took steps to secure the border because they understood you can't possibly can't have there's no way you can have strong national security. If you're on border security, you need to know what's coming, who's coming, where it's coming, and why it's coming.

Joe Biden's 1st president came into office and unsecured a border. And people ask me all the time why. I think they see a future political benefit. I think these people will be future Democratic voters, number 1. 2, but we don't even have to get there, right, Tucker?

I mean when when Biden signed over 9 executive orders getting rid of everything we did, he also returned to Trump's census rule where millions of people go annually to be counted in all these sanctuary cities, which is gonna result in more seats in house for the Dems and the re reproportionate seats in the house.

Can that be undone?

Oh, yeah. I think president Trump needs to get when he gets back in, when he he needs to establish the other census rule, illegal and it should not be counted to census.

Well, yeah. Because illegal foreign citizens, non Americans should not be able to determine how many members of congress you have and where they sit.

Exactly. I think president Trump will reinstitute the the game changing policies he had during the first administration so we can secure the border. We did it before. This time, we're gonna finish the job.

How many came through Canada? Do you know?

I don't have it off the top of my head, but I know the number depending on what sector you look at is 600 to 800% increase on the northern border, specifically in upstate New York where I grew up. And I still have a home up there, so I'm very familiar with that area and I talk to chief up there all the time. Northern New York, has a huge problem and the problem with northern border, a lot of SIS come through the northern border. They can afford to fly to Canada and cross the northern border which is wide open because there's a lot of border and very few agents. So a lot of Indians, a lot of Pakistanis, a lot of Turkey Turkish come to the northern border.

I mean, who organized this? You say it was by design. There are a lot of NGOs involved. The United Nations is involved, a bunch of religious charities, pretty evil religious charities, in my opinion, involved in this, but they seem to be coordinating with 1 another. What do we understand exactly what happened?

You know, we're still looking into it. I think under the Trump administration, there needs to be an investigation on what happened, who was involved. I know I've had numerous conversation with Mark Green who is the chairman of Homeland Oversight. He plans on having some oversight hearings on this specifically when it relates to the NGOs. And I think they were complicit in a lot of this illegal immigration.

And certainly United Nations, we're south of our border working on this global illegal immigration to the United States. So I'm counting on the new Congress which we now have control of both the House and the Senate to conduct oversight hearings and hold people accountable. There's no way, again, there's no way this is mismanagement or incompetence, this is by design. And do I think Joe Biden had the expertise to do it? No, I think someone's pulling his strings.

So this is something that needs to be fully investigated. People need to be held accountable because

Well, they need to go to it would wreck the country. They need to go to prison.

They created the biggest national security vulnerability this nation has ever seen. We got a record number of people on terrorist watch list being arrested. We got 2,200,000 people and this is my biggest issue I brought up for the last 2 years. It's just not about illegal immigration anymore. When you cause a crisis this big, the overwhelm was a border patrol where many times 70% of agents were pulled off the line dealing with this humanitarian crisis, right?

Changing diapers, making baby formula, making hospital runs, doing that humanitarian mission, leaving 30% of our Homeland Security officials left securing the border. There was times in the last 2 years where a 100%, 100% of border collision were pulled offline, such as in El Paso, because when they got overcrowded, this administration said, wait, we can't have overcrowding. That's a bad optic. So let's pull every agent off the line, process as quick as possible, release as quick as possible because when there's no overcrowding, there's nothing to see here, the border's so secure. So when you overrun the border, that's 1 of the bad things happen.

That's when we got 2,200,000 calories. Right? That's when the Fentanyl comes across to kill a quarter of a 1000000 Americans. That's why sex trafficking of women and children is up 600%. That's why the number of migrant deaths is at a historic high.

So this, what the people call this innocent illegal immigration crisis, made a lot of bad things happen because the border patrol was strictly overwhelmed and couldn't do the national security.

Well, it changed the culture of the United States, which is worse than any of the things that you and more permanent than any of the things you listed. You can't run-in and change people's ancient culture. I've been here for 250 years. You can't do that. No.

It's the worst crime ever committed against the US, worse than the civil war, in my opinion. So but the question is, like, who did this and why? So the United Nations, we pay the largest share of the UN budget. You know, we should have some ability to control what the UN does, but they commit this act of war against us. Do we know who did at the UN and why?

I do not, but it's something that's gonna be I I I believe it should be investigated. I'm pushing people. I'm coming to the administration where that we need to investigate it. Again, I've I've talked to numerous representatives on the hill that swear they're gonna have, hearings on this and we need to. The American people need to know exactly what happened, who is responsible.

Do you think that the fentanyl traffickers, known as the cartels, I guess, I'm not exactly sure what that means, I'd like to ask you actually, but you keep reading and hearing that they have control of parts of the Southwestern United States. First of all, what is a cartel? Who are they? Where are they from? And do you think that's true?

Well, the criminal cartels in Mexico, they they are born out of the, narcotics smuggling, industry in Mexico, and they're powerful. Look. They're like a Fortune 500 company. Yes. This is not a gang anymore.

Right? Yeah, Helico Cartels is, they're in over 45 countries of the world, right? And now they're responsible for moving narcotics in this country. They're currently in every major city in the United States because not only are they smuggling the drugs in the United States, they're taking over distribution within the United States. Right?

So again, and I said this at the RNC and President Trump agrees with me, These criminal cartels have killed more Americans than every terrorist organization in the world combined. Right?

In every war. More than the second world war.

So that's why they need to be designated terrorist organizations and wiped off the face of the earth and it's gonna take the United States to do it. Mexico has failed to do it even if they tried to do it. Bottom line is much of the Mexican military, much much of the Mexican law enforcement, much of the Mexican government is corrupt. That's just a fact.

Well, then why okay. So I noticed that the incoming Canada problem. Trump fixed it in about, I don't know, 20 minutes. But how much more leverage do we have over Mexico? I mean, we're the entire economy of Mexico.

Why don't we do that with Mexico?

Well, we are. President Trump has threatened tariffs and she's the president seems seems to say she's gonna help. We'll see if her actions match her words. But president Trump has a lot of power over Mexico. Look, the tariffs alone, Mexico needs us more than we need them.

Right? And look, I'm not saying every cop, every soldier, every politician in Mexico is corrupt, but many are. That's just a fact. When I was ICE director, we had vetted units we worked with. Law enforcement down there, we vetted them so we can work with them, but we didn't even tell the vetted units everything we know because we just couldn't be sure, right?

But President Donald Trump has a lot of leverage. Remember when I became a board legislator in 1984, 1 of my first assignments out of the academy was protecting a port of entry to Carte, California because we had a DEA agent that was tortured and murdered, Kiki Cammarana. I think he remembered that.

I remember very well.

And they wouldn't help us to identify and turn over the people responsible. Ronald Reagan shut down the port of entries. And what, it take them 2 days? All of a sudden, we know who who committed crime and so President Trump can obviously do that. He can end all the visas, no, end the tourist visas, the the business visas.

There's a lot of power he has over Mexico and he needs President Trump's willing to do whatever it takes to protect our sovereignty and to protect this country and he's ready to do it. He proved it the first time, you know, when the Remain in Mexico program, Mexico didn't wanna do that. There's safe country agreements. Mexico didn't wanna do that. They didn't wanna put 10,000 military on their on their border where president Trump threatened them with tariffs, and they came to the table.

There are so many nice Mexican people. I mean, most Mexican people I've met, I really like that we forget that the government's very anti American is not our ally in any sense. We spend all this energy being mad at Assad, whoever who cares? And we live next to this country that's helping to kill 100 of 1000 of Americans every year. No 1 ever says anything about it.

Don't don't you think it would be worth shifting some of that emotional energy and military resources to, like, countries right next to us who are hurting us?

I'm a 100% with you, and that's why I've been pushing for the to Mexico to come to the table and be accountable. It's against the law in Mexico to traffic in women and children, but they don't do anything about it. It's against the law in Mexico to transit through that country. If you're from another country with a transit visa, but they allow it. I mean, look at the beast, the big train that thousands of people came over the weekend.

They didn't do anything until President Trump got an officer and had him put a stop to it. But the good thing is a lot of countries are willing to come to the table right now. Mexico says they're going to, let's see what they do. I'll be deeply involved in those conversations. Panama, Panama wants to come to the table and help the United States secure our border by shutting down the Darien Gap.

This administration said they're going to do it. Secretary Mayorka said he was going to do it. Panama never got any funding to do it. They never got anything done with this administration. They were coming to the table again.

We will shut down Darien Gap but please help us. We will help them. Darien Gap shutting the Darien Gap down would be a huge game changer on illegal migration to this country.

But, again, given the economic leverage the United States has, that shouldn't take more than a weekend. Right?

It's gonna be pretty quick. I mean, we're gonna we're gonna come to the table what we need Mexico to do. Remain in Mexico program, a game changer. That needs to happen quickly. That was a game changer because after about 2 months, they stopped coming.

They stopped coming because they knew they weren't being released into the United States to not show up in court. And even if they show up in court, no one's looking to remove them because on this administration, ICE can't arrest somebody for simply being illegal in the United States. Secretary Maric has made that clear. They gotta have a criminal conviction before ICE can even look at them, even though they're illegally here. So the remaining Mexico was a game changer.

They stopped coming. They stopped selling everything they had, giving the cartels, every dollar they had to come to the United States to be released. When the remaining Mexico program came into place, they stopped coming. When they stopped coming, look at the lives that were saved. Look at the money that was saved.

If if someone's really escaping fear and persecution from their homeland, from their government, home government, if they're really escaping fear and persecution, they're gonna be willing to wait in Mexico for the hearing, but most of them know.

But why would the US take anybody who's I mean, why is it our job, given our appalling track record around the world of, like, trying to make things better, you make them worse because the world's super complicated. Why do we have an obligation to take anybody from anywhere ever? I don't really get where does that come from.

Well, that was the genius of the Remain in Mexico program. Right? Because to president Trump, I remember sitting in the office over office when they were talking about this and I was trying to explain to him, and he understood clearly what the whole situation or situation on asylum is. I told him that if you look at the data, immigration court data, about 9 out of 10 people who claim asylum at our border never get relief from US government because they simply don't qualify or they don't show them in court. Then you look at the Homeland Security Lifecycle Report, a report put that's pulled up with Homeland Security.

For instance, family units, for those that were ordered removed, only 6% leave. So when I explained to president Trump, 9 out of 10 don't even have a valid claim, but when that 9 out of 10 gets order removed, 6% leave. He says, you know, he didn't take him long to say, why the hell are we doing this? Yeah. So let's not let him in.

Let's have a Remain in Mexico program. If you're really just getting fair and persecution, you wait in Mexico. If you win your case, which are very few, walk them to the United States. But if you don't win your case, we don't have to go find you. And we're not putting this message out of catch and release so people keep coming knowing they're gonna be released in the United States at the same time knowing when they lose your case, no one's looking to remove them.

That whole dynamic's gonna change.

Yes.

Right? Because I've said, I've been real clear since the day President Trump appointed me. If you're in the country illegally, you got a problem. Right? If we don't take the judge's order, immigration court, when you ordered you removed, and he gets a deportation officer deportation order.

If we don't execute those orders, then what the hell are we doing? Shut down immigration court. Doesn't make don't mean anything anymore. Take the border, drop the border because there's no consequences for entering this country illegally. We'll give you due process, but when your order removed, you're going to be removed.

Or if we don't, we send a message to the whole world. You can enter the country illegally, which is a crime. You can see a judge or not see a judge, get an order removal. No one's looking for you. And that's what the Democrats are doing on this administration.

They have overwhelmed the system, released millions of this country, immigration, the court doc has pushed back 7, maybe as much as 9 years like in New York. By that time, when they get order removal, they got 2 or 3 USC kids, right? And everybody's complaining, you can't remove that guy. He's got 3 USC kids. When I was life director, I got calls from Republican senators.

Why'd you remove that person? He has 2 USC children. Well, he didn't have 2 USC children intercountry legally. He didn't have 2 USC children.

He was over Republican senators.

Oh, absolutely.

They're the worst.

And I said I said, well, what's my option? He had due process at great taxpayer expense. He was already moved by a federal judge. The option is just by mistake and if we're gonna do that, how many more do you wanna stay? Then we gotta send a clear message.

We're a nation of laws. You get order removed, you're gonna be removed. If not, we send a message to the whole world. Enter illegally, commit a crime, go have a US citizen child, and you're off the hook.

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Is there any way to move millions of Haitians into rich white liberal neighborhoods? Sure. I mean it. I mean it. The people who did this are rich white liberals in the United States who hate themselves and the country.

And to punish it, they invited all these people illegally from failed countries, but they can't stand the idea of living near these people because they're racist. So why wouldn't you move every Haitian to Bethesda and Brookline and Aspen and Martha's Vineyard in Nantucket? Like, today, can we do that? I will donate money if we can do that.

We're absolutely good. Look what the Martha's Vineyards did. They put them on their account. You know, this whole

thing cops immediately because they're racist.

Governor Abbott done more secure this border than anybody in this administration. Guy's great. DeSantis is the same. Do you know who first came up with the idea of bussing people in sanctuary cities? It was President Trump.

I remember sitting in the Oval Office 1 time, he said, why don't we do that? So we started putting plans together, but the Remain in Mexico program was such a game changer, We couldn't fill a bus up if we wanted to. So we beat the we we beat the prom before we got actually got to that. That was really

The problem though is that the people doing it didn't have a precise enough understanding of rich white liberal culture, but I do. So they would bust them to New York, then they wind up in Midtown and Queens. Okay. None of the people who are doing this were affected by it. But I could give you a list of ZIP codes where, like, Tony Blinken lives and stuff like that because I know that world, they need to be moved into the neighborhoods of the people who are calling you racist for wanting to have laws and borders.

Like, they need to feel the effects of their own destruction. So just text me, and I will send you the ZIP codes. I mean it too. Because what happened is they open the borders, and then all these people, like, moved to Jackson, Wyoming to the least diverse ZIP codes in the in the country. They literally ran to the hills to get away from diversity.

I think we need to add to that, though. The the the senators and congressmen are pushing back in the inboard border security. 100%. You know, moving their legal analysts right outside of the vice president Kamala Harris's residence, that was a game changer too. So I I think not only not only those who are well financed, how about the politicians who are pushing back against any any form of enforcement of our border laws?

Well, why Bernie Sanders needs a ton of Haitians in Vermont because it is just it's appallingly. It's blindingly white. It needs to change. I I couldn't agree more. So but just back to the cartel question.

I don't I don't know that much about it, but I keep hearing, I think, informed people say, man, you know, parts of New Mexico, Arizona, California, even Florida, Texas, or, you know, there's real control, by these cartels in the way that they control Mexico. I mean, they're basically a a state within a state with their own army and armored personnel carriers and tanks and, like, well, you know. Do you think that's real? Do you think they have that kind of beachhead here?

Oh, absolutely. As I said earlier, they're like a Fortune 500 company. They're well financed. They're diversified in their funding. And look, I've seen a lot of intelligence report.

They have access to military grade weapons. They'll take the Mexican military on and Mexican law enforcement. They do all the time. And it's just not my opinion that they have control, operational control or southwest border. And I've talked to chief patrol agents who agree with me, they've lost operational control in southwest border.

1 chief patrol agent used the term broken arrow. I I was on the phone there 1 time. He goes, Tom, I can't contain what's coming across. I'm lucky I'm gonna catch 10% of it. The criminal cartels, knowing that this administration caused this huge humanitarian crisis and overwhelmed the border towers we discussed earlier and whatever assets that's left on the border left to patrol, the criminal cartels, you think a 100 family units or 200 family units show up accidentally at the same place at a certain time?

No, the cartels control that. They'll send a group to 1 area knowing whatever left on the border was seized to that humanitarian crisis, right, they have to go deal with that, they create gaps in the system. That's when they move the Fentanyl that's killed a quarter of a 1000000 Americans. That's why sex trafficking is up 600%. The cartels, they create gaps in our system and that's where they operate.

And for the democratic representatives up on the hill saying, well, most Fentanyl comes to the port of entry. That's just a bunch of garbage. Most Fentanyl is seized at a port of entry because every vehicle stopped and and based on the CBP targeting system, which is law enforcement sensitive, but and based on the the the responses to the questions, chances are they get secondary and they'll find some things. Between the port of entry, we're maybe touching 10%. Yeah.

So if I'm a criminal cartel, I'm gonna use a route of least resistance. I know my vehicle is gonna be stopped at port of entry. Will it be secondary or not? I don't know. But between a port of entry with 70% of the agents off the line, that's where I'm gonna move my product.

I mean, it's not rocket science.

Right over the open border.

Absolutely.

So I, I know I'm jumping around, but I have so many questions for you. I read in the last 3 days, it's hard to believe this could be true, that the Biden administration auctioned off portions of the unfinished border wall at bargain basement prices. Is that true?

Yes. I actually had a conversation with senator Lindsey Graham 2 days ago. Someone needs to take some action because this is this is products that the taxpayers already paid for and they're gonna auction it off. And now, you know, Texas talked about buying it back. Shouldn't have to buy it back.

We bought it once before. Right? This administration's out. They're out in a couple more weeks. Why would they continue to set us up for failure?

That's what they're trying to do, right? President Biden signed all these secular borders. They want to sell the border product. I thought the American people on election day gave this country a clear mandate. They want a secure border.

This administration is gonna stop at, they won't stop at anything to slow us down. It's not gonna slow us down. We're gonna get that border wall finished, but the mere stupidity of selling this stuff on pennies on a dollar, Every taxpayer should be, about that.

Toward the country, of course.

Well, they obviously you know, I've said it many times. They hate Trump more than they love their country.

For sure. And I think they hate the country more than they hate Trump even. He represents the country to them, the old country that they tried to change with immigration. Do you know Mayorkas?

I know him.

How would you assess him?

I used to respect him, under president Obama. I got a presidential rank award under President Obama because I oversaw the removal of, you know, well over a 1000000 aliens during that 3 year period. My orchids actually accompanied me on operations in New York City targeting criminal aliens and illegal aliens both. Jay Johnson approved a family operation. A lot of families were coming across during the Obama administration, and I told Jay Johnson, look, 9 out of 10 of these families are going to be already removed.

Are we going to remove them? He said absolutely. Jay Johnson stood by that. Ale Mayorkas, Alejandro Mayorkas went on operation with us. He backed me up on it a lot.

The only the the main thing we disagreed on is the transgender policy where you wanted special treatment for transgenders in ICE detention. I was ordered to sign that policy and that's

What kind of special treatment?

Making sure they're identified as being a transgender, they're protected in our facilities and separated and get medical attention whether it's hormone therapy or whatever it was.

Wait. So that he wanted the US government to pay for hormone therapy? Yeah.

And we got a huge argument over that, and I was ordered to sign a memo, and that's where kinda we're had a fallen out. But Do

you have any why would he want I mean, first of all, how many transsexual illegal aliens are there?

You'd be surprised how many we run across, and they just you know, they they want a certain protection form in our facilities. Well, Alejandro Mayorkas went on operation with me. He shook hands of officers who were enforcing immigration law. I remember we went to New York City on a huge operation, arrested a lot of illegal aliens. And when he was nominated to be secretary, I thought, okay, we're in the middle of this crisis again, right?

He knows how we stopped it. We stopped it by building detention facilities, including family residential centers, the so called cages, right? He knew how we stopped it. We stopped by building more detention facilities, detaining people, make them have a hearing because if you're in detention, you have a hearing within like 35 days. 9 out of 10 loss, we put them in an airplane, send them home, and board numbers tanked.

So I'm thinking okay, he knows how to fix it. He might be able to do this job. He got into the job. It's a complete 180. I don't recognize him anymore.

He's about not enforcing the law. 1 of his first instructions to ICE is that being in the country illegally on its own is not enough for you to go make an arrest. You gotta wait till they're convicted of serious criminal violation.

How can how can a federal administrator ignore federal law? Isn't that why can't he be arrested for that?

That's illegal. I mean, the 5th circuit judge federal judge in the 5th circuit said not only are they ignoring the law, they're actively violating the law. Again, that's when we need to hold these people accountable in the incoming administration. I believe they violated the law. And

The fact that Congress never did anything about that is really telling me.

Well, that's well, they went through impeachment proceedings, and I said at the time that I think we had 5 or 6 Republican congressmen that didn't vote for impeachment. I couldn't believe it. And I thought they lost the right to be a congressman at that point. I mean, if they can impeach president Trump for making a phone call, you can't you can't impeach Alejandro Mayorkas for what he did to this border, the biggest national security vulnerability this nation's ever seen. Look, me and Christopher Wray, I'm not a friend of his.

I don't really respect the man much, but he he agrees with me that the border has become the biggest vulnerability this nation's ever seen. He sees more red flags than ever before, and they continue with the open border even to this day after election. Now they're gonna sell border wall material that we're gonna need, and day 1 we're getting in there. The the the the illegal behavior, the the the treasonous behavior for this administration has not stopped.

What do you think happened? It's so interesting. I'm glad I asked you if you knew him. I I didn't know that you did. But since you do, what do you think happened to Mayorkas?

You

know, as an agent since 1984, I think we study people. That's what we do. Either he fooled me under the Obama administration, he actually believed in enforcement. Either I was hoodwinked and just thought he was behind enforcement or or or he always felt that way and just he played the role under the Obama administration. Then then when he come came back, he actually did what he always truly believed in open borders.

I know the NGOs and he has a very close relationship. He worked for some NGOs before he came back. So I don't know what happened. All I know is a man who I once respected, I have 0 respect to not because of what he's did. Not again, not because of incompetence.

This is by design. They knew exactly what they were doing because he'd been there before. He knows how we shut it down. He knows how we secure the border at a at a high level. Not as high as Trump.

We secure the border at a pretty good level. He did everything he could to unsecure the border, which is a complete 180.

It's fascinating. There's something, you watch when he talks. There's something strange, very well, first of all, he's lying in

He's lying under oath, which is a felony too. If I lie under oath, you don't think they they would love to prosecute me for lying under oath.

Right, and they should. You shouldn't be allowed

to do that. He's lied many times though. 1 of the biggest statements he made was for those who don't immediately qualify for asylum, they'll be immediately removed. Really? You got the lowest numbers removed in the history of ICE.

At the same time, you have historic immigration. So, you know, you're supposed to have a hearing a couple weeks ago and I asked a couple of congressmen to ask that question again. Well, there's a lot of anti Trump, anti homeland rhetoric out there that we shouldn't have a mass deportation operation. Do you stand by the statements you made numerous times that if they don't qualify, they need to be removed? Could you also help send the message to the American people?

We're doing this deportation operation. It has has to be done and you said it. Would you say that again? Of course, Emmett Ray back to the hearing, never had the hearing. But for the American people who don't, here's my biggest issue.

I read it every day. Racist, inhumane to have a mass deportation operation. We just went through 4 years of historic immigration. Again, we're 9 out of 10 to get order removal. We don't have a choice.

That's the way the law's set up. They lose the case. They're going home.

I mean, we just ended African American political power, by the way, because of the demographic changes. Just basically made it you know, both parties have paid, especially Democratic Party, a lot of attention to what black voters want because they're a huge part of the Democratic coalition, and now that's not true. And so, it's not you know, this is a complicated question. Anyone who says, oh, it's just white racism is what is your average black person in Chicago, native born, family been here 300 years, what does he think of watching his city overwhelmed with illegal aliens?

You know? That's exactly what they think. I was up in Chicago last week. I met with 100. I met with black pastors.

Black pastors were upset.

Well, they should be upset.

Yeah. They feel like people were not supposed to be here, enter the country illegally, which is a crime. I'm gonna keep talking about that, are getting massive amounts of care, right? Free hotel rooms, 3 square meals a day, free medical care and the Black community feels left behind because a lot of these people are, you know, they could use some of that tax money in Chicago to help them. And their taxpayers, they should have their first chance to get some of that help.

But the mayor of Chicago, which is you know, he's ignoring his own community. And I was up there just over a week ago, and I met with hundreds of people that were up there, and they're suffering because of the decisions to take care of these illegal aliens. I mean, I saw city transit busses parked running running fuel as warming busses. How about taking care of the homeless people in that city? Let them get on a warming bus.

But, you know, they'd rather put these illegal aliens in a hotel room at $500 a night in the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City and give them 3 meals a day and give them free medical care rather than take care of their own people. We got homeless vets. You've been to Washington DC many times. You know? Less than a mile from the Capitol, you got homeless vets living in tents.

They don't have a free hotel room. They don't get a hot shower. They don't get 3 squares a day. They don't get, you know, they don't have access to free medical care, but you get people who are in the country illegally get all that stuff.

Well yeah. And they also, you know, this is a democracy. So we make decisions based on population size. And if you dilute population, you dilute the political power of the people who are born here, very much including black people. So, really, it's a takeover of our of our government, of our democratic system.

And I just wanna say it for the 3rd time, it completely disenfranchises black people and there are, you know, black leaders in congress who supposedly speak for black people, they sold them right out, actually, in fact.

And then the violence in these communities, and we're trying to address the violence. Mayor Biden finally gets it, I think. But and he's you know, we'll see what he actually does, but you got the mayor of Chicago. Chicago, the crime rate is extremely high in Chicago, right? We know the shootings are outrageous.

And what we're saying to him, President Trump and myself have been very clear, we want to prioritize those illegal in the country that There are public safety threats. That's what we wanna target first because they're the most dangerous to our community. Public safety threats and that's security threats. Why would any elected mayor of a city with a crime rate as high as they have not want public safety threats taken out of their communities, especially if they're here illegally. There's no sense, you know, you would think the mayor of Chicago's number 1 responsibility is the safety of this community.

Why not help me take those public safety threats out of the community? ICE agents aren't allowed to take a step into Cook County Jail, 1 of the biggest county jails in the country where we used to get 100 of illegal alien criminals out. We can't even step foot in that. They won't even, they won't honor a nice detainer. They must rather release that public safety threat back in the community to re reoffend.

And where is he likely to reoffend? The immigrant community where he lives.

But I don't understand. I mean, so when South Carolina tried this in 18/61 at Fort Sumter, it kicked off a civil war. When Central High School tried this in 1957 in Little Rock, Arkansas, Eisenhower sent the 101st airborne. You can't allow states to ignore federal law. I'm trying not to use the f word here.

So how is that not an active insurrection? I don't understand. If a mayor or a governor says, you know, we're gonna ignore federal law and there's nothing you can you can't come into our facility. How about you get a seal team and go into I mean, like, how is that allowed? That is insurrection.

And that's Am

I missing something? I thought I thought this way the system worked.

And that's why I've been out there taking a lot of hate the last 3 weeks saying, okay. Well

You're taking hate from the from the insurrectionists?

Yeah. Which I'll wear as a badge of honor. I've been out there saying 1 thing to the mayor of Denver, right, to the mayor of Chicago and to governor Pritzker and the rest of them, you cannot help, you can choose not to help us, stand aside because we're going to do it. However, there's a line you can't cross. If you're gonna impede what we're doing, that's a felony.

If you're gonna knowingly harbor and conceal an illegal alien from ICE agents, USC 1324 to apply, that's a felony and we will prosecute. We're done playing the game. There are there are federal statutes on the books written by Congress, enacted by Congress, signed by a president, said this is a felony to do these things and we're gonna take that seriously. And we got a strong AG coming in, Pam Bondi, I think, will back me up on this. You can help you.

You can sit aside and watch us do your work for you. Fine. You do it. But here's the here's the message. No one's asking you to be immigration officers.

What we're asking is give us access to the taxpayer funded jail where you already locked somebody in a jail cell because apparently they're a public safety threat. When you're done with them, simply give them to us, and we'll remove not only from the community, from the country. Because when you don't and here's what they're gonna get, they're gonna get exactly what they don't want by taking the stance. You don't let me in a jail to arrest a bad guy where 1 agent can arrest a bad guy in the safety and security of a county jail where we know he don't have access to weapons. You're gonna release him back in the community.

You're endangering the community, the immigrant community because it's most likely to be offended in that community. You're endangering our officers and you're endangering that alien because things could happen when you're making arrests in a public setting. We have access to who knows what weapons. Right? So what's Tom Holland gonna do?

We're gonna send more agents to the community. We're gonna find a guy. So that means I gotta send a whole team to the community to find him. We send a team because of officer safety concerns. I'm gonna send a whole team to find him.

When we find him, he's probably gonna be with others. Others are not necessarily an operational priority, but guess what? ICE agents aren't gonna be told to turn their back in any illegal alien. So we're gonna find the bad guy and anybody else around them. So by your actions and not let me in that county jail means more agents in your neighborhood, a lot more agents in your neighborhood, and a lot more arrests and many non priority arrests.

You wanna play the game, we're gonna play the game. That's the results you're gonna get, but I can't believe to this day that any elected governor, Governor Pritzker says, you gotta come through me. Okay? No problem. We can do that.

Why would you not wanna help remove public safety threats?

Well, but

This should be no question. If You're gonna have your opinion on immigration. We're talking about criminals.

Well, to the extent that he allows officers in the state to violate federal law, Pritzker's a criminal. I mean, any any governor who willingly flouts federal law again, this is why we had a civil war in the United States in 18/61 because South Carolina did this. So I don't know why we would ever put up with that for 1 second from any governor, a republican or democrat.

President Trump administration will not put up with that, and that's why I've been sending a warning shot out. This is not gonna be tolerated. We're gonna take action. American lives are at stake here and this president, I think, has been given a mandate by American people. Apparently, the the results of the election has no influence on many of these people.

Look, governor, Mayor Adams reached out to me and I actually went, Mayor Adams, he understands it and I think he realizes that we're taking it seriously and

Eric Adams from New York reached out to you.

Reached out to me.

Good for him.

I went and sat down, met with him. He believes he should take public safety threats out of his communities too. He's offering to help us. He's offering to let me in the Rikers Island jail. We've been kicked out of Rikers Island jail for years.

Again, like Cacao, we used to arrest 100 of illegal aliens with criminal convictions there. Eric Adams says he's going to go as far as writing an executive order to get us back in Rikers Island because he agrees with me that Mary de Blasio did a lot of harm that affected the public safety in New York City. So he's putting getting a lot of pushback from the city council. I I saw him the other day. He says, you know, you can cancel him if you want, but this is the right thing to do for public safety in New Yorkers.

He also said he was just me in finding over the 300,000 missing children, which many of them are gonna be in New York City.

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But on the other hand, he didn't seem crazy. And my impression is that he was indicted on what seemed like pretty silly charges, by the feds because he complained about immigration in New York. I think that's what he thinks happened. Do you think that's possible?

Oh, I absolutely do. Yes. And when I sat down with him, it was all about public state today. Other stuff never came up. He's the cop at him came out.

And look. I've been calling him out for 3 years saying he forgot what it's like to be a cop and became a politician. He's not helping with this crisis.

I agree.

But when he reached out to me and I sat down with him, I saw the first time ever, I saw the cop, the career cop come out and said, this is this is this shouldn't be controversial. I wanna work with you on this. He goes, we're not gonna be immigration officers. I'm not gonna help you round up illegal aliens in the city. I said, I don't want I don't want you to be an immigration officer.

I want cops to work with cops to remove public safety threats. He gets it. And he says he's gonna take some executive actions, and so I hope he does because that's gonna make New York City much safer, not only for the community but for my officers. My biggest threat is you're gonna force us in the community, arrest bad guys when we could arrest them in the safety and security of a jail, that puts our guys at great risk. And same with the border patrol agents.

The criminal cartel is gonna be put out of business by President Trump, which means the violence is gonna rise on the southern border.

Well, that's right. And it's also if you think about it, and I'm I know you have thought about it, I I think it's safer for everyone to have your guys arresting illegals in the Sonoran Desert than in Times Square. I mean, that's scary in a crowded city.

Right. And these men and women, they're gonna put their lives online every day. Again, I can't believe any politician left, right, middle would wanna put these options at risk when there's a better way to do this. When I first started in this game back in 1980s, I never heard the word of Sanctuary City. We got in every county.

Everybody works. I can't believe we're at the time now. My my my father was a cop. My grandfather was a cop. My, you know Your

grandfather was a cop?

Yep. I knew I was gonna be a cop.

Where were the cops?

In upstate New York. So in my day, cops were respected. Police officers were respected. Now you fast forward it now and these politicians, if you enforce law, all of a sudden you become the bad guy. And if and if you break the law, you're the victim.

That's truly what it is in some of these cities.

It's weird that that Republicans put up with that acts of insurrection. I mean, they've been yammering about the insurrection of January 6th, but a sanctuary city is a is a bold unequivocal move toward insurrection. You're saying I'm not obeying federal law, and no 1 did anything about it. They made fun of him on Fox News, but they didn't they didn't send the 101st airport and I don't understand why.

President Trump's gonna take hard stance. I think he he will take your 1 1 of the things, take their federal funding away. I think that's gonna bring a lot of people to the table because they need that money. And plus I think it gets down to if they impede, if they know any harbor, I think we need to, you know, prosecute members. And, you know, I said this back I said it when I was ICE director that they all need to be held accountable and DOJ needs to look at criminal prosecution.

Of course, the media went crazy. Homan's calling to lock up politicians. What I called for is DOJ. If I'm not an attorney, but I, as an agent, many years ago, I have arrested United States citizens for knowingly harboring and concealing an illegal alien in their home. I arrest a US citizen for harboring, concealing illegal alien in the place of business.

If I can arrest a US citizen for violating those crimes, why can't I arrest the mayor or a governor who's given his staff explicit instructions to impede us and to hide from us. I mean, the mayor Adams came around and said he would have a police force at the city boundaries preventing us from coming in. Right? That was 1 of the comments he made. Now he's walked him back because he made a statement he's willing to go to jail and I responded, well, I'm willing to put you in jail if that's what it comes to.

I'm not looking for a fight with these people, but I'm not gonna run away from 1 either. We're gonna force this law, we're gonna do what the American people wants us to do, we're gonna force the law, we're gonna run this deportation operation. If you don't wanna help get the hollow get the hell out of the way, but if you impede us, then we need we need to prosecute these people and send a message. This is no longer acceptable to anybody. Should never been acceptable, but under the Trump administration, we're not playing that game.

Because the country it's not even about on some level immigration. It's about holding the country together. If parts of the country decide we're just not following the federal laws because we don't feel like it, then how is it a country?

Lake and Riley will be alive today if we had a better relationship in New York City. She was arrested the killer was arrested in New York City for injury to a child. If we had the relationship we used to have, they would've turned them over to ICE. ICE would've detained them and removed them. But instead, he went to Georgia and killed them.

Murderily. And if President Trump was president, he wouldn't even be in the United States, he'd be in Mexico and the Remain in Mexico program would have never been released into United States, given a free hotel or given a monthly stipend for food and expenses. Free cell phone, airplane tickets. It's just incredible where we're at today, but I got full confidence in myself and President Trump and I'm working very closely with Steve Miller, brilliant, the architect of the most successful border policy this country had.

What's his position gonna be?

He's the deputy chief of staff. Yep. I'm a senior adviser to the president, term border czar. Not my term, but they nicknamed it. But I can guarantee you, Tucker, and to your listeners, this border czar is going to a hell of a lot better than our last borders are.

I've actually I've already been to the border 3 times, and I'm not even in hospice yet.

I gotta I cannot resist asking you, what are these drones in New Jersey?

I don't know. I've talked to people in the intelligence community. Some think it's, some are from an Iranian ship, but I haven't got access to intelligence reports. I know 1 thing. Maybe the news is right.

Maybe they're surveying drill. Maybe they're all legal. I just find it hard to believe. I can't believe this administration has taken action on it. I guarantee you if President Trump was in the Oval Office, everyone would have blown on Skype by now.

I don't know factually because I don't see the intelligence reports. I'm not in yet, but I find it highly suspicious that the administration is saying they're all legal and lawful and that they pose no harm to the communities. I don't buy it.

Do you do you think that other members of the incoming Trump administration have been briefed on what the current administration thinks they are?

I do not know. I'm hoping they have. I mean, they should have, but I don't know. I just saw 1 congressman from New Jersey said he got information from Iranian summons.

Yeah, I saw that.

And I've also talked to friends in the intelligence community that off the record taught the same thing, but I have no direct knowledge of it.

That's bizarre.

But I guarantee you, within a few days, the Trump get it white White House will go and find out.

Yeah. I think that's, I I believe that I believe that to be true. So of the so you've described, I think, really well, the problem, and how you plan to secure the border. The deportations was that was the second goal that you had of 3. How many of those 12,000,000, do you think are eligible, can be deported?

Oh, we know there's right now, we got over 1,700,000 with final orders removal already been order removed that haven't been removed.

Okay, so that's just a gimme. That's easy.

We got 780,000, 780,000 illegal aliens with criminal convictions. They're gonna be priority 1. Then we got, like I said, we got criminals, national security threats, and fugitives. These are the ones I talked at 1 point, 1.7 I think the last number was, of people who had due process, a great tax credit expense order removed. They need to go, we'll find them.

Then we take the rest. Everybody says how many illegal aliens can you remove in a year? I don't know. I'll find out when I get into office how many positions do I have? What does my money look like?

How much money do I have to buy beds? Because we need detention beds. People don't wanna change. You don't arrest somebody and just deport them that day. We have to detain them and work out arrangements for their home country to get travel documents and they have to accept that, yeah, they're a national of ours and there's a process we go through anywhere from a few days to a few weeks, so we have to detain these people.

So how many beds can I afford to buy? Because if I don't have beds, it's gonna be hard to do this. How much money do I have with transportation contracts, whether over the ground or in the air? And can other agencies be involved? I know I specifically have requested that DOD be involved.

They can do non enforcement duty. What that does is so the officers wearing a badge and gun with immigration authority, they shouldn't be driving a bus. They shouldn't be building infrastructure on the southwest border, south side of facilities. They shouldn't be doing the intelligence. They shouldn't be doing the targeting.

Right? As much non enforcement work as possible, contract that out, have DOD do a lot of it, and that releases those badges and guns to the street where they're really needed. So what other agents are involved? Is DOD gonna be a part of this? Take off the non enforcement duties off our shoulders.

So hopefully I'll find out really fast what we have. I know right now, my source is that ICE, they're already $300,000,000 in the hole. So I'm hoping Congress will provide us with huge funding through the conciliation process. That's my hopes. And I know I talked to Lindsey Graham yesterday.

For deportation.

Yeah. Lindsey Graham yesterday said he's working on an astronomical bill. It'll be more money than we've ever seen before. I hope that's true. I just don't wanna be held up in this this tax bill because that's gonna take 6 or 8 months and it gets watered down by the time we get it and it's just ridiculous.

Have you I mean, is there some legal way to designate Americans just for a temporary period as Ukrainians and just tell the congress that money is going to Ukrainians?

Wouldn't that be great?

That would expedite it, don't you think? Here's $200,000,000,000.

Spending money defending Ukrainian border, but it would be nice if I give it just a piece of that action because they got a lot

of money.

I'm hoping and praying that this is gonna be different than the 1st Trump administration when he had the Senate in the house the 1st 2 years. I'm hoping they come to the table and I'll help this president succeed. So funding is paramount. We're only gonna be as successful as the funding we're given to get this job done.

Well, I I I can I'm no expert, but I know members of congress, most of them, and I know that they only respond to pain, unfortunately. And you just haven't threatened them, and you're gonna lose your seat, and we're gonna call you out, by name and make you unpopular in your state, and your career will be over unless you obey immediately. That's With normal people, you don't you can reason with normal people and love motivates people. I mean, I doubt, like, in your house, you and your wife are threatening each other. You probably love each other, saying nice things to each other.

But members of congress are not normal people, and you really just have to, you know, grab them by the face and say, do this or suffer, and they will respond to that. So I hope you will do that. Yeah.

There's a lot of media outlets right now. I think they're trying to shame us in how expensive this operation is gonna be. It's just incredible.

More expensive than letting in 12,000,000 people and giving

themselves back

to the doctors and free medical care destroying our hospitals? Yeah.

First of all, what price do you put on National Security? What price do you put on Lincoln Riley's life and so many other little girls? It's gonna be cost savings for American people because right now we're spending 1,000,000,000 of dollars on free airline ticket, free hotel room, not even mention the cost of schools and trauma centers and hospitals and social services in perpetuity. Yeah. It's gonna be expensive to operate.

But you destroyed rural America. I mean, just flat out, I live there.

It'll be expensive right out of the gate, but in the long run, we're gonna save American taxpayers 1,000,000,000 of dollars by getting this country back to the rule of law.

What's the point of a government except to ensure safety and tranquility for its people? I mean, what is the point other than to obviously kick out Assad and and secure the borders of Ukraine, but which are the top priorities, I think, listed in the constitution. But, after that, you know, taking care of your own people seems to be important also.

Well, that's why president Trump won this election.

He put

he put he's put America he's put America first. That's why I can't look. This is the second time I came back from retirement to serve this president because like I said, I've been doing this a long time and I'm at the point now where I wake up every day pissed off. The first day I woke up with a smile on my face was the day after the election because I knew we can fix this. I knew by fixing it, you save lives.

Secure borders save lives. Right? Even when you when you get a 100% of the agents on the line doing their job rather than changing diapers, making baby formula, like hospital runs, more fentanyl seized, which means less fentanyl deaths. Less people less gotaways, which means less sex trafficking in women and children, less known suspected terrorists. Even the wall saves lives and people say, Trump's vanity wall.

No. That's America's wall, first of all. Every place that built a border barrier, illegal immigration reduced, illegal drug flow reduced. But what people don't wanna talk about is how many lives it saves. The most vulnerable of those that come to the country, the women and children, can't get over that wall, which means they're going to a place where there's not a wall.

And what's waiting on them? The men and women wearing that green uniform, the finest 1 percent this country has, who are gonna take care of their medical needs first because they're in a lot of bad shape when they get there. Men and women in the borobotrol save 1,000 of lives every year. Of course, the left wants to come, you know, haters and stormtroopers, and they wanna slander the men in the horse patrol for what they did, and still no apology to the state. Men and women in Border Patrol saved saved a lot of lives.

Border war law saves lives. And under Trump administration, the number of deaths were very, very low, both Americans and illegal aliens. Under Joe Biden, we're just I think we're just short of 4,000 aliens have died crossing the border. While you and I are talking right now, while you and I are having this discussion, women are being raped. The members of the cartel as a part of the crossing through that border, A child's gonna die today.

Either drown in a river or be lost in the desert or abandoned by these cartels. And they think that the government's getting close to them. They'll they'll dump people and and save their own skin and put these look how many children have been abandoned at the border. Border Patrol's found a lot of them. I guarantee Border Patrol will find all of them.

There's some toddlers they're gonna find someday.

So it's so evil. I mean, I know that in El Salvador, when MS 13 ran the country, before Bukele, there was a religious component of kind of voodoo witchcraft component to MS 13 where they were worshiping the devil, I mean, openly. It's a component of the cartels. You see it in Mexico as well through Latin America. Is that you come across that?

Yeah. Yeah. They they they worship death. And

Like, formally worship it though?

Yeah. Yeah. There there's there's, I'm gonna call them religious. We you know, some places that even the Texas DPS have found some of these places where the cartels were operating. They got, you know, statues, statutes there and memorabilia worshiping death as a consequence of not allowing them to do their business.

Right.

And these are from cultures that have practiced human sacrifice for 1,000 of years. Because I

got a video on my phone showing a member of the cartel skinning a man alive, skinning him alive on video to send a message to anybody. If you push back on the cartels, if you're snitching the cartels, they're not gonna just kill you. They're gonna make you suffer immensely. I got sent in this video by someone in the intelligence community, and I'm a pretty tough guy, but I can't watch all of it.

No, of course not.

When they skinned somebody alive and the pain that man went through, this is what they do. That's why MS 13, they don't just shoot somebody, they hack them up. Me and president Trump, remember when we did operation in Long Island, we rested just short of 500 gang members and a lot of MS 13. And during the press conference, President Trump referred to these people as animals. And of course, Nancy Pelosi arrested people and Nazi.

These are people you refer to as.

She's an animal actually.

Then they came to me and says, what I said, I don't know what president Trump has against animals, but, animals kill or survive. MS 13 kills with pleasure. They're much worse than animals.

Well, it's witchcraft. It's human sacrifice, and they've I mean, again, they're from cultures that have practiced it for well, since the beginning of recorded history. So

But Trinidad and the rest of them, they're all on notice. There are days of coming over here and committing crimes and victimizing this country over, and a lot of people are pushing back and saying, well, you can't remove Venezuela. They're gonna be removed. And if Venezuela won't take them, well, it's on some place else, but they're not staying here. So turning the highway's done a lot of harm in this country as you know.

The rape and murder of little girls and the theft and the organized crime they've instilled in major cities in this country, President Trump put them on notice. Our gang is ignorant of our gang. I hope so. Take them out of business.

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What do you

think of that?

It's a shame. I mean, DOD's helped a lot of administrations. They helped the Biden administration. They helped the Clinton administration.

What's the point of sending them a $1,000,000,000,000 and a half dollars every year? Is there a reason that we do that?

Well, I think we've proven that the southwest border is a huge national security vulnerability. I think it's a perfect place for the military to be.

Yeah. Bigger than Syria, I would say.

I it's more of a national security vulnerability in Ukraine or Syria or any place else, so I think president Trump's not gonna take no for an answer. He is the president of the United States. He's gonna make this work, and DOD will be a part of this operation. We need them. We can make a bigger impact if they can do some of the things that don't require a badging gun for us and that puts more badging guns on the street, the reds, bad guys.

They're an imperative part of this operation. Other other agencies, who would need help from I'd like to see the US Marshals be a part of that, the FBI be a part of it. You know, I've gotten I've actually shut down my LinkedIn account because I've gotten thousands of accounts, thousands retired border agents, retired ICE agents, retired police officers, retired military, all wanna come back and help this operation. And I'm hoping we can rehire a lot of these people, rehire them doing this, put these, you know, especially the retired border collision ICE agents. They know the 4th amendment.

They know they can do and don't do. A lot of them speak Spanish. They know how to use the processing systems. They know the game. They're good at it.

So I 1 of the first time we'll be working on is bringing a lot of these retired agents back and let them help us do this job. They're educated in immigration enforcement. They hit the ground running.

I I should have asked you at the outset, but of the 12,000,000 that you described, you came here illegally under Biden. Where were they from roughly?

181 different countries.

So how does I won't

ask you That's almost every country in the world. Think about it.

It's well, I think they're, what, a 199. You know? So there were none from Vanatou, or Seychelles, but the rest came. But how was the breakdown? Like, you think of illegal immigration and well, when I was a kid, it was from Mexico.

I don't think it is anymore. Then it was Central America. Then it was South America. Roughly, what was the breakdown?

Can you remember? Mexicans still lead or national Mexico still lead.

Oh, really?

Yeah. El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, close second. I mean, those 4 countries make up a majority. But what concerns me is, the country that we never had much activity from.

Yes.

You know, 46,000 Chinese.

What's that?

Scares the hell out of me because a lot of our military age males. 46,000 military age males don't leave China without the coordination to approval of the Chinese government. That just don't happen. Russians, we got over I think last look I have is 27,000 Russians, people from Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq.

Big Africa

too. It's just How

many from Africa do you have?

I don't have that on top of my head, but special interest countries, numbers like we've never seen before and that we can't properly vet them. That's 1 thing I've been screaming about 2 years. Secretary of minorities gets up there and say, they're all property vetted. Vetted against what? Because we don't have criminal data from El Salvador or Turkey or Syria.

Do you think China's gonna give us any national security data on their people or or Russia? So you vet them against NCIC, which we have. So unless you're convict unless you've been convicted or arrested in this country before and your fingerprints were taken, you're gonna come back clean because we don't have access to most countries' criminal data. A lot of these countries don't have criminal data. Right?

You think Haiti has an NCIC? Absolutely don't. So they say they've been, they don't and they don't vet them properly. When it comes to terrorist vetting, beyond the criminal vetting, how about terrorist vetting? You and I both know most terrorists in this world aren't in any database.

Unless they were part of a t 3 operation or caught on chatter or encountered on a battlefield by a soldier and and biometrics were taken, we don't know who they are, where they're at. And so even they say they've been through these terrorist databases don't really mean a lot, but here's 1 thing that hasn't been talked about a lot and I've talked to several whistleblowers in the border patrol. So they they arrest somebody from 1 of these countries. They they vet them through the bureau, but there've been such a push by this administration, process quick, release quick because there's no overcrowding. There's nothing to see here, border secure.

They process and release so quickly. Sometimes the vetting came back after they were released and they were hot. At least 2 occasions this has happened. ICE actually found 1 later on.

They're hot meaning what? They've got

They're a positive hit on terrorist database, person of interest. So that's gonna change. I mean, we have to detain these people. The Trump administration won't end catch and release. Either you're gonna be sent back to Mexico or we'll detain you.

The only the only thing that I'm concerned with is the Zabadas Supreme Court ruling. There's a ruling called Zabadas versus US that says you can only hold somebody up to 6 months for significant significant likelihood of removal. So if we have a country that absolutely will not take them back, at the end of 6 months, we got a decision to make. Either we we move into a cooperating third country or we have to release them unless we can prove Why

don't they send them to Mexico? If they came through more, let Mexico deal with it. Let Claudia lady deal with it.

That's part of the plan and we're hoping to do that, but the domeducts ruling's terrible and we're hoping to now we got a better Supreme Court that needs to be relitigated. To say we can only hold somebody for 6 months and they're a significant public safety threat, just because this country says, no, we don't want them, that there there's gotta be a better way.

I wonder if the 47,000 Chinese that you mentioned, that's kind of what Fidel Castro did in 1980 with the Mariel boatlift, just like empty the prisons and the mental hospitals. Why wouldn't they do that?

Well, it has. Venezuela has? Yes.

But has China, do you think?

I don't I don't I don't think so. I think China these people came here for a purpose. As you know, you've done a lot of reporting and they got land around military bases. They're setting up shadow businesses. I think China, between all these people they sent plus continuing to create the precursors that make Fentanyl, they're they're trying to destroy this country.

That's my personal opinion.

Well, they're selling drugs all over the country. They're selling drugs all over the state of Maine. Maine.

And what Chinese National. And what's the Biden administration done to China about creating these fat nodes that he sold to cartels and massacre? What have they done what have they done about the cartels? Nothing. Nothing.

President Trump's going through?

No. Because fentanyl has killed the exact Americans that Biden hates and is always attacking. So, I mean, it's committed genocide against his enemies, so he's he doesn't seem against it, at all. It's all very dark. I have to wonder, you said you used the phrase military age males.

Because this was so coordinated by these NGOs, Catholic Charities, UN, and others, you have to kind of wonder, like, is there some military purpose to this invasion? Have you wondered that? I've

wondered every day. Yeah. I can't wait to get in power to start driving drilling down these files. Who are these people who'd you release? What kind of vetting did you do?

Did you take biometric biographic data?

Yeah. High testosterone foreigners? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, why I mean, I don't wanna be paranoid, but

But it's been very, you know, they they they don't talk about it, and it's very, you know but when we get in power, we're gonna have to pull all those records. Find you know? Like, that's over 300,000 missing children. We gotta pull those records from HHS. Get out

of here. So what I'm sorry.

I've been told that whistleblower is what is that?

300,000 missing children. That's something else I've read reference to.

Look over half a 1000000 children in traffic into this country, and they get turned over to custody of HHS, Office of Refugee Resettlement, who finds sponsors and release them to sponsors. I've talked to several whistleblowers, say they weren't even fingerprinting the sponsors on many occasions and not doing proper vetting. We have a whistleblower who testified in front of congress now 3 times. Not a lot of these children seem to be victims of trafficking. They're released to unvetted sponsors and many children will be released to 1 sponsor.

The 1 whistleblower said there was 11 young girls released to 1 male, single male. Maybe it's all innocent, maybe it's not, but you

We're doing innocent. Well, that's sick.

No. And look, the CBP 1 app, they shut that down because of massive fraud. 1 of the insiders in CBP told me, for example, 1 dead man sponsored over 1600 people, been dead for years. Massive fraud, massive trafficking involved. And when they talked about opening CBP, we wouldn't have to do that.

I said at the time before they even implemented it, if you do this, it's gonna create a huge trafficking network. Or if you're from Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, or Venezuela, you wanna come to the United States under this CHNV program, you just gotta find a sponsor who wanna take care of you. How many sick pedophiles would be willing to sponsor anybody from 1 of those 4 countries to come to the United States that after they get here, you own them? All you gotta do is, you know, you're their official sponsor. Without you, they can't stay.

And 1 of these sick sponsors? Not all of them, but many of these are gonna be predators and sick people. What are they gonna do to these people who are trying to stay in this country? It's a huge human trafficking issue. I guarantee you.

And by human trafficking, is it mostly for prostitution?

Prostitution or forced labor, mainly. Those 2 things.

So if you go to any construction site in the United big constructions, like, they're building a data center or a mall. I know this because I know a guy who in the business just told me this. Anyone in the United States, there will be child prostitutes there from Latin America brought in by the cartels for the guys on the cruise. And I said, does everyone know this or everyone knows it. I mean, it's fact.

Every big construction site in the United States, does anyone ever do anything about it? No. No 1 ever does anything about it.

Wait till January 21st.

I don't understand that though.

No. Like If

everyone in the building trades knows that, how can law enforcement ignore it?

We're not going to starting June

23rd. Good.

But I can tell you, look, of the of the over 300,000, this government lost track of. I guarantee you as I sit here today, we'll find many enforced labor, we'll find many enforced sex trafficking. That's the sad thing. We're gonna find it. So that's why President Trump is saying, seriously, we gotta save.

We gotta save these women and children that are put in this position. The immigration consequences will still come, but first we gotta save and get these kids. As far as the kids, 3 over 300,000, we gotta save these kids. A lot of them are living life hell every day. And we I guarantee you we're gonna find well, ICE, HSI has already found some of these children, meat packing plants, cleaning up entrails on a midnight shift.

We're gonna find some living with pedophiles. We're gonna find some are in sex slavery. Some are gonna be dead, but we gotta find these children and president made that a third rail of priorities and it's something that needs to be done. This administration stopped the DNA testing. They stopped the proper vetting.

Under the Trump administration, we were having the same problem in the beginning. We did DNA testing. You weren't a family unless DNA testing showed you a family. And we did vetting. We didn't just vet the sponsor fully.

We vetted everybody in their household to make sure there wasn't a pedophile living in the house, make sure there wasn't someone arrested with domestic violence in the house. This administration stopped all that because Becerra, the secretary of HHS, he gets on stage and brags, and I saw him on stage bragging how quick we release these kids from government custody. We got a machine here. It's like the it's like the the Ford plant. We get them in and out of here.

Yeah. Because you stopped the you stopped the proper bedding. You stopped the DNA testing, and and God help you for what you did to these children because a lot of these children are living their life for however days. We gotta find these kids.

That's unbelievable. So what last question. I'm just interested in why you're doing this. So you you did it for 40 years. Yeah.

1984, 40 years. And then you go into the private sector and you're not retired, but you get to do kinda what you wanna do and make a real wage after working for the government all these years, and this problem is just so enormous, and the bureaucracy is so complex and hard to fight, and they always win in the end, Why would you take this job?

Well, because I love my country, first of all. We we we we made more progress on the southern border than ever before in the 1st Trump administration when I was vice director. Like, it was I'm taking an 82% pay cut

Oh, I bet.

And I'm going back to cover my paycheck. And thank god my wife supports me. She said if I don't take the job, she's gonna divorce me because she don't wanna see me waking up every day mad at the world because I didn't come back.

So your wife's not a liberal?

No, she's not. You know, I say this many times because of things I've seen in my career. I mean, I stood in the back with tractor trailer. I grew up in a town with 2,500 people. Either you milked cows or you're a logger or you worked at Fort Drum.

It's only 3 things you did where I grew up. So I grew up in a town of 2,500. I fast forward, I'm sitting in the back of a tractor trailer with 19 dead people at my feet that baked to death in back of the tractor trailer, including a 5 year old little boy who who suffocated to death. And on top of him was his father who was trying to protect him. During that investigation, they said that old boy begged his father not to let him die because he wanted to see his mom again.

Begged over and over again. Here's a 5 year old little boy who knew he was dying and asked him to have help. And his dad can't help him, right? No. I've talked to little girls as young as 9 who were raped multiple times by members of the cartel, not once, numerous times.

Grown men crawled upon this little girl, took everything innocent and pure from her. Her life would never be the same. Look in her eyes. There wasn't life in her eyes. It's just this little girl's devastated for life, and this happens every day.

When they unsecured the border on purpose, I wrote an op ed of Fox News and I says if Joe Biden wins the presidency, we lose the border. And when you lose the border, trafficking or sex trafficking will skyrocket, child deaths will skyrocket, migrant deaths will skyrocket, American deaths would skyrocket from drugs from across that border. I wake up really pissed off for 4 years. So, and I've been on numerous networks complaining about it. So when president Trump calls me up, says, you've been complaining about it for 4 years.

You You wanna come fix it? How do you say no? First of all, you don't say no to the president of the United States. And second of all, I won't say no to secure I love this country. I wanna save some lives, secure borders, save lives.

I'm gonna come back and do what I can. I guarantee you what we're going to do is going to save migrant lives, it's going to save American lives, it's going to protect our national security. That's why I'm coming back. Now for the pay, I can tell you that. I'm coming back because after after 3 and a half decades doing this job, do you understand it?

Do you understand the tragedies happen around it? The more secure that border is, the more lives we save. So I can rest I can when I've retired for the 3rd time, I can say I did my part to save some lives, and maybe less children are being exploited and women are being exploited by these cartels. And my my my number 1 goal is seeing these cartels wipe off the face of the earth, and I think president Trump's the guy to do it.

Of everyone appointed, I think you got the best shot of winning because you know exactly what you wanna do. You know, Tom, thank you very much.

Appreciate it. Thank you.

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