Transcript of ‘Another 48 Hrs’ With Bill Simmons Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

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I like the movie. It's a good movie. It's very intense. But it's very important to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Why is that?

Because Zodiac is a part of the reestablishing of the career of Robert Donnie Jr.

Oh, yeah. He's viable again.

He's viable again. Then you have Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang in there somewhere. He comes back I know what the singing Detective, some movies like that. But we talk about it all the time whenever we have a conversation about him. Try to think of somebody who Hollywood was out on or is out on right now. That's how out they were on him. Then he worked his way back.

All right. Well, Eddie Murphy in a different point of his career in another 48 Hours. This is one for us week. We did just one of the guys on Monday, Another 48 Hours, a movie that we've complained about and talked about forever. It's next. All right, so a couple of months ago, you guys were actually in the pod. I talked about the sequel that made me the maddest in the history of mankind. Number one on the list was another 48 Hours, Keo Becoming the Iceman. And this is a movie that drives me crazy. And yet I feel like I've seen it 30 times. You know what?

You feel the way about another 48 Hours, the way some people feel about the end of Game of Thrones. It's like you're such a keeper of the lore. You understand the landscape of the law enforcement and criminal underworld of San Francisco in the early '80s as told by 48 Hours. And this This movie betrayed you. This movie stabbed you right in the heart.

I keep watching over and over again because I like having my guys back. I wrote down it's a karaoke sequel van. Same music, similar opening. Two bar scenes. There's a hotel shootout. Jack Kate says, Call for help now. Rips that off again. We have Eddie singing Rosanne. We have Jack shooting at Reggie at the end.

Roxanne.

Roxanne. I wrote Roxanne for some reason in my notes. Roxanne. Jack shooting Reggie at the end, the lighter switch ending, and the Bus Boys. It's basically all the staples. It feels like the same movie. It's not as good, and yet I always watch it when it's on.

Why? Well, for me, This was another sequel first movie. I saw this one before I saw the second one. It's always tough to go back. When you see this-Not entirely sure.

I'm not the same way. I can't remember, but I may have seen another before '48.

Because this came out in 1990, so that's conceivable. You guys saw this first.

When you go back and watch the first one after you've seen this one, the first one seems like the fucking Godfather. It seems like a very serious... I mean, it does. But this one is a movie that's like it moves very fast. It's pretty fun. It's incredibly violent. When you're 10 or 9 or 10 years old in the '80s like I was at this point, these are the movies that you're watching. Eddie Murphy is such a gigantic star that he can, through pull a movie to its end. When you go back and watch the first one, it's not as oriented around him. The movie takes itself a lot more seriously. It's a completely different. It's funny, but it's a totally different movie.

He almost got fired on the first one after two weeks, and they couldn't really figure him out. He'd never been on a movie before. He didn't really know how to act. Then they figured out how to use his improvisation. Just like him cute. By the time we do this, he's the first guy listed in the movie. It's built around him. He's had seven number one hits in a row. This was the last one that became number one opening weekend. He's the biggest movie star we have. This is when it ends here.

Well, yeah. I think that this movie is an interesting what if and an interesting crossroads for him because We'll talk about how there is a lost version of this film. If this movie winds up having a more critically favorable reception, and if it winds up doing better at the box, it did pretty well at the box office. But if it has a warmer reception, you wonder what is different about Murphy post another 48 hours.

Can I ask a question about what you guys think about this take? Whether or not this... I can't think of another movie. This is the end of the Edison's, But you can argue that it's the beginning of the Nolte Sons. Nolte is already pretty well established, but after this, you go Cape Fear, The Prince of Tides, Lorenzo's Oil, The Player, I'll Do Anything, Blue Chips. He really goes on a run. Now, before this, they're movies that we all love. Three Fugitives I love. Down and Out Beverly Hills might be my favorite. Nick Nolte roll.

What year was that? That was '88.

Down and Out Beverly Hills is '86. That's three years. Nick Nolte is already a big star, But he goes up to another level in terms of prestige in the next four or five or six years. It's interesting that they're ships passing in the night one more time in this film.

Yeah, and I think he cleaned up his act, too, right, Ciar?

I definitely I think that's because I remember the famous Saturday Live story where Eddie hosted because nick Dultee parted so hard that week.

He couldn't host the show. He basically called in sick.

He looks a lot better in this movie than he did in the first one.

He even said, Yeah, I quit drinking. Yeah, he remarks.

He goes, Yeah, what happened?

Yeah, you're right because he does... Yeah, he didn't really have anything before this, and you're right. Prince of Tides was a big one for him.

That's a huge one. I mean, he became people's sexiest man alive.

Blue Chips was where the wheels started to go back off. Blue Chips is where he… It's a four-year run for him.

Blue Chips, I love trouble. Then he takes a big swing with Jefferson in Paris, and that doesn't really work.

It's also like the movie industry itself turns towards guys like Nulti, and you have these adult traumas and adult comedies that he's capable of leading, and I think that makes a big difference.

That's two-thirds of it. The other third was the Julia Roberts movie that bombed. Sure. I love trouble. I love trouble. It was one of the most famous bombs of the '90s, and they hated each I think he started to get a reputation.

He was supposed to be a musical. There's a whole Prince soundtrack. Really bad.

I think that really set him back. He got passed by a bunch of white dudes that were younger than him and were grabbing the parts.

Happens to the best of us.

But once people think that you're sexy, once people think that you are, he's got this grizzled sexiness to him, that's when you go take your shot at the rom-com. If you're going to take your shot with the rom-com, at that point, you're going to take your shot with Julia Roberts. Maybe it's a little early. Maybe Meg Ryan, maybe somebody like that, but you're going to take that shot and it didn't work for him because he can't pull that off.

It felt like in the '70s, him and Jeff Bridges were vying to be the biggest heartthrobs going forward, and neither of them totally made it as that actor.

Yeah, I think that- Because Bridges had King Kong, nick Nult, who was in Rich Man, Poor Man, and North Dallas, 40, and just felt like he was going to become this leading man. It's not uncommon to see actors basically start out really hot. They're heartthrob young. Then there's this middle period where they're just like, Nobody's taking me seriously enough. It just happened to McConahe, recently enough. Where I think he felt like he was trapped in rom-coms and adventure movies. It wasn't until Dallas Buyers Club and True Detective and- It hit to lose 50 pounds. Well, yeah, that happens after. He's a rock star by the time Interstellar comes around.

So Interstellar is before or after Dallas Buyers Club?

It all starts with Dallas Buyers Club when he loses the weight and wins the Oscar. And then that opens up all this other stuff. Less than as always, if you lose 50 pounds and you could somehow still live and be in a decent movie, great things are going to happen. Eddie Murphy, this is his seventh rewatchable, which moves him into the official, like the standings in the newspaper. He's tied with Bruce Willis, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Leo Douglas, Ethan Hawk, and Rene Ruso.

Ethan Hawk?

Renee Ruso. Renee Ruso was seven. It's just trailing Costner, Hoffman, Julie Robertson, Hackman by one now.

Underappreciated actress.

We got to do Night Crawler soon so that we can get Renee back up, get her numbers up.

I honestly wanted to beef up his stats beyond argue about this movie and all the behind-the-scene stuff that I think is fascinating about it. But I sent Van, the Spin magazine article. It was an interview with Spike Lee and Eddie Murphy. There's another Rolling Stone article. Did I send that one to you? No. There's a Rolling Stone profile of him around then. This is the most fascinating time for Eddie, where he's as successful as he's ever going to be. He's as wealthy, he's set for life. He's minted. He's the bigot. It's him, Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan, and Mike Tyson are basically the four biggest celebrities, I think. And he's just miserable. It's the classic everyone's against me, what I would do now. And it comes out in these two pieces, and he talks about this movie, and he said this to Spin magazine after the movie came out. He said, The critical response to another 40 Hours, I thought the movie was all right. After doing a picture that was received both commercially and critically as fucked up as Harlem Nights was, after doing a picture that was viewed as a shitty movie, I should have done a movie that was great as opposed to a movie that was all right.

He knows it didn't hit the way it hit, and there's real reasons for that. But I also feel like this happens sometimes with musicians, happens with athletes. We saw this happen in LeBron.

Happened to A. J. Brown. He's like, I feel hollow.

Might happen to Josh Allen right now.

Oh, poor Josh Allen.

I'm doing great, but I can't win. It feels like you could feel it in that piece with Spike, right?

This was one of the most angsty, revealing pieces I've ever read on a celebrity. I cannot believe I've never read this before. Between him and Spike, there's three things happening. Number one, Eddie Murphy is dealing with being this gigantic star and the professional and social responsibility of that. Spike is there as your straight man, telling Eddie Murphy at different times what he thinks Eddie Murphy's responsibility should He had also been critical publicly of him before that. Spike has been critical of almost everyone.

Yeah, but especially in '89. He was like, Why doesn't Eddie use his power?

Why doesn't Eddie use his power? He's like, Eddie, shouldn't you be getting more people hired at studios and stuff like that? Eddie is talking about the fact that there's just a tremendous amount of weight on him as a star. Fuck being the biggest black star in the town.

Sure.

Just as a star, as an entity, there's business, there's expectation, there are deals.

And he's talking about- There's family that want money, all that shit.

He's talking about the fact that there's this, and then there's this whole other part of it that stars do not have to deal with, like white stars. At the end of it, he's like, I just want to be an entertainer. I just want to be able to entertain. Spike asked him why you got pictures of Elvis everywhere. Like, What's wrong? What's up with you? And listening to him talk about it, I understand way better now why Eddie went to the Wilderness in the early '90s.

Well, it's also interesting to think about in terms of why he's never really come back. You know what I mean? He never really did the stand-up tour, the stand-up Comeback Tour.

He never did stand-up again.

Which at this point, probably at various moments over the last couple of 10 years or so, could he have played Sofi? I don't know. Eddie Murphy could sell out any building in the world.

There are not enough seats in the world for him to step on stage and people not to come. Right.

His He decided to go into a light, I wouldn't call it retirement, but he's basically doing easy layup movies for streamers.

That started a long time ago.

Yeah, that's been the 30 perfect. I would say 30 years of that.

Dr. Doolittle.

He's probably been doing that for way longer than he was the man.

Yeah. Because the edge that he had, the way that Eddie made you laugh, like very few people, which is why it was interesting to see him chase the Oscar at times when he Dreamgirls. Dreamgirls, yeah. Dreamgirls, yeah. Or even coming back with Dolomite and trying to like, Jenny that up. There was just very few performers that could do what he could do, that had that type of on-screen charisma, could make you laugh like that, but then also could dial it back and control the scene. And it weighed on him. When you read this, he talks about the fact... I don't even remember that Coming to America wasn't critically well received. It's amongst the best comedies in the entire decade.

I didn't know how true that was. You probably read a couple of views. It's funny because he was probably in my top three all-time favorites. I never knew how angry he was in the late '80s. Now you look back and he goes in the Oscars, the 1989 Oscars, and talks about how the representation was so bad with nominations, the whole thing. Everybody's like, What the fuck did he do that for? What's up with him? What's up his ass? It was the response to it. He does that. He does this Rolling Stones thing, same thing, and then this. All of it is about basically too much was on my plate, too much was thrown to me. I thought this would feel better. I thought being this successful would actually be fun. It's not. Basically, he's trapped in this little circle with six people around him. He's not around people every day. He doesn't trust anyone. He said, Women, try to sue him. He had the Art Buck wild claim that he stole coming America from him. He was just bitter at everybody. I think that makes sense when you see the movies they ended up doing the '90s where eventually he retreats and does like many professor and easy stuff where he can just play characters and low ceiling stuff.

When you close your eyes and you think of Eddie Murphy and you think of the best moment of Eddie Murphy, what is the character or the movie that comes to mind?

Princes of King from Coming to America.

I think Eddie would say that. I think I probably enjoyed the Beverly Hills Cop 1, Eddie, the most because it just felt like it was 22. It just felt like you This was going to be the guy for years and decades. The guy could do anything.

I probably agree with you. I probably feel like at 48 hours, it's seeing Caleb Williams throw passes where you're just like, I can't believe this. I can't believe this guy can pull this off. It's interesting to watch another 48 hours in that lens, through that lens, and see the brief flashes. Totally. Of when it comes back.

When he's calling the guys for the money.

On the pay phone.

On the pay phone, it's like, This should have been in the movie. What are you guys doing?

But even the one of my favorite- He wanted me to tell you he hates cops. That right there, that's Eddie Murphy. He's fucking with this guy the whole time, and you think that he is going to end up getting Kate's a ticket. But really, the joke is on the cop. The Andy tells them and the cop's too scared of it. Look, when you look at the early '90s, we've done Boomerang. But if you look at Distinguished Gentlemen and some of those other movies, and then the Abomination that is Beverly Hills' Cop 3. That movie is almost a- Is that the one with the theme park?

Yeah. And by the way, in one of the interviews, he's talking about, I would never do Beverly Hills' Cop 3. He's like, They want to just throw money in me. I'm never going to sell out like that. And then five years later, it's sold out.

Boomerang is, to me, a perfect film. I love Boomerang.

That was the first Eddie one we did together. Right.

But even in that one, you could tell he's trying to be different. He's the straight man in that movie.

He wants to be Cary Grant.

He wants to be Cary Grant. He wants to be taken seriously.

I think that it's a thing that happens to a lot of people get famous for doing a particular thing. Then it's like, Eddie Murphy also wanted to be a musician, and Eddie Murphy wanted to be a viable action star, and Eddie Murphy wanted to be... You know what I mean? It's like everybody was just telling it.

He wanted to be a singer.

Yeah, he wanted to be a pin-up Old Hollywood star.

He wanted to be Elvis. Yeah. It's a tough one because I do think he was among the most talented people of the last 40 plus years. He was the most overqualified SNL person I've I've ever had. Will Farrell is probably second. Everything went right for him for, I would say, seven years with his movie career, right? And by the time Coming to America comes out, he's still 28. He's not even really an adult yet. He's Jason Tate. He's only six years older than Drake May. But he says in this spin thing, and this is after Tyson lost to Douglas in Japan, which is interesting parallel to Eddie because Tyson had the same meteorite rise. He says, What happened with Mike Tyson? You get so big. People don't understand what happened. How can this motherfucker never lose? With Mike, when he lost, it became human. In retrospect, I think doing something like the last two films I've done, maybe it's good that it makes you lose a step. The pressure's off you to be this perfect motherfucker. Then he talks about his career and he says, I was probably getting comfortable with my position, not appreciate.

The position I was in, I went through a thing. I had seven pictures, back-to-back kit pictures. Nobody had done that. He was acutely aware of like, Nobody's done what I'm doing right now. He couldn't sustain it. But I think part of the reason you can't sustain it is when you become that famous, you're just not a normal person anymore. I don't care if you're a musician, actor, athlete, whoever.

I also wonder whether with his style of comedy and when you watch him on SNL and when you watch him in those early movies, you feel like you're like, there's no safety there. I'm floating and we're floating with this guy. Anything can happen. And so once you grow past that point where you're connected to the things that made you who you were in the first place, I wonder if for, specifically for standups, if it starts to become a little bit... If you're not Seinfeld and making quotidian observations about everyday life that everybody has. If you're Eddie Murphy and everything is energy and everything is channeling a certain sensibility, I wonder if you can sustain that.

I don't think you can as a standup, but I definitely don't think you can as a stand-up who is also a gigantic movie star. Nobody's ever done it. There are stand-ups that get into their 50s when they are primarily known for that, and they're able to pool the energy of their cultural observations, split them over three or four different specials over four or five years. But, man, when you are watching Eddie Murphy in a movie like Beverly Hills Cop, he is the comedy in the film. I mean, don't get me wrong, there are other people that are funny, other the funny things that happen, but every single scene is an incredibly heavy lift. It's a real heavy lift. Eddie's doing characters. Eddie's being suave, and he's being like a rascal. He's doing that in every film. It comes to a head and come into America. He talks about it in that piece where there's legitimately a scene where he's playing four different characters. He's playing off of himself. That's how insulated he's become.

He was mad that one of the reviewers said he was lazy in the movie. He's like, I literally played everybody on his scene for five minutes.

Then he changes it. He wants to do less. For four or five years, we don't even notice. We notice that the movies weren't the same, but we don't notice that Eddie Murphy isn't Eddie Murphy.

Interesting. I was curious what you would say about a parallel career like Robin Williams. Now, Robin Williams is probably never as famous as Eddie Murphy was at the beginning of his career. He does Mork & Mindy.

I would say Mork & Mindy was a bigger show than Saturday Live at that point. I think the audience It was bigger for it.

Were people like Robin Williams is like...

They didn't know his comedy as much. He went right to movies and was immediately trying to be a movie guy.

And pretty quickly within the movies started doing serious roles.

Right. He moved to like World of Carton & Garp was probably the first one. I think the thing with Eddie, he's doing three things at the same time. He's saving SNL by himself, where he's also one of the only black stars. We talked about this in past pods. He's one of the only black stars on TV in the early '80s. So he's got the whole burden of He's replacing Richard Pryer as the guy as a stand-up. Prior is self-combusting and he blows himself up. What was he doing? When he blew himself up, what was he smoking? It wasn't crack. It was free-basing. Was he free-basing? That's what it was. But he blows himself up.

He just stopped that to be like, What do I remember what he was smoking.

What is the thing that you guys smoke when you burn yourselves up?

Shut up.

What is it? The Rockefeller laws for a wife.

What happened there? Stop.

But he's also older. So Eddie takes that spot. But then he also takes the number one comedy movie actor spot. All these things happen in three years. Any person would be happy with one of those three things. Chris Rock only was able to do one of those three things. We're like, Chris Rock, what a career. The generational comic. Chapelle. It's like Chapelle. Oh, my God. Generational. Eddie, that was one of the three things he did. I think that's just a lot.

Yeah. It's also just like Eddie Murphy never had had a Good Morning Vietnam where you translate your standup or your comic skills perfectly into a dramatic role. But Good Morning, Vietnam was nowhere near as big of a movie as the least popular Eddie Murphy movie of the '80s.

This movie made $150 million.

It was considered to be disappointing.

He speaks- 19 on Rotten Tomat. That's crazy.

It's not that bad.

19. This movie's good. I like this movie.

I like it. Hold on. He speaks to this in a piece, though. He talks the fact because Robin Williams worked with Artours and different directors and stuff like that. Eddie talks about the fact that he didn't and really couldn't do that. He was like, he's talking to Spike Lee, and by the way, they promise to work together in this piece. They never do. Sure. It never happens.

It's so funny. They spend like, over there. They're like, Yeah, when we were in never, not even like a tiny world.

And what he's essentially talking about is how the serious deviousness of Spike Lee and who Spike Lee was as a black director at that time, the responsibility that Spike has and the responsibility that Eddie has as being the guy that everybody likes. It seemed like he was saying that he couldn't do stuff like what Robin Williams was doing. He couldn't take those chances. That wasn't what they wanted from him. He's like, They send in workmen directors in to do some of these movies, and I'll do those movies with them. But as me working with really important directors and that stuff like that, it's like, that's not what I'm doing. That's not what they want me to do. They want me to do Eddie Murphy pictures.

Yeah, you're right. There was a burden. I almost wonder because he does the Oscars thing in '89, right? That's his renaissance for You have Spike, you have Robert Townsend, the Wayne's brothers are coming in, and there's this whole generational thing, hip hop's coming in. There's this whole generational thing shifting. You could almost feel like Eddie felt like he over here in the mass market area of belonging to everybody. But I still should be over here, too. That's why he's speaking out during these two years. Then it's over. Then he has the thing with picking up the prostitutes Institute in 1995. Sure. After that, he stops doing interviews. He basically disappears after that. It's like some promotion for movies, and that's it.

You'll get every once in a while a little story of Eddie Murphy, Quentin Tarantino, something. Whether it was... I think Tarantino was like, he was thinking about Eddie Murphy for Pulp Fiction or something like that. But then there's been a more recent story of- All the good directors seem like they've been fascinated by him. Quentin had a Beverly Hills cop pitch that Eddie Murphy was like, That's actually pretty good. Yeah.

He becomes- PTA, I think, was in on him, too, trying to get him.

He becomes that guy because those directors obviously grew up on him. But also, it's like there was so much that he could do. And I bet that people looked at him and was like, Yo, this guy is better than a Haunted mansion. This is Eddie Murphy. He's better than a Haunted mansion.

Well, didn't you feel that way with Distinguished Gentlemen? I remember leaving the theater and being like, God damn it.

It's a stupid movie.

Yeah, it's like, God damn it. How did we get to this point?

There are interesting films in there. Boomerang is interesting because he goes all-black cast for Boomerang.

That's the best thing he did that decade.

Absolutely. But then there's Bowfinger, which is an interesting movie. Really like Bowfinger. It's an interesting movie. It's a funny movie. That's Eddie trying to- He tries to do Metro. It doesn't quite work. It doesn't quite work. Then he never does the thing. He never, and not until Dreamgirls, he doesn't have the Goodwill hunting moment. He doesn't have the Jim Carrey, No.

Do you think he would... Could he have done Training Day? No. Could he have done He Got Game?

No. I don't think that's where it's tough. You saw him shoot the basketball in this movie.

He could have done Truman Show.

Could have done Truman Show.

I think so. I think This is going to sound really stupid, but something cast away. There's an element of like... Oh, wow. What are the things that you... Would you watch Eddie Murphy on his own on an island for an hour and a half? I would. Now, would it have the same gravitas? What would happen in that film? I don't know. But it is a really sad thing to look back and be like... That's a great idea.

Can we just do that?

I'm thinking about most roles that Hank's played, besides He done Sleepers in Seattle? Maybe. Maybe he could have done Sleepers in Harlem.

He could have done Big, though.

He could have done big. He could have also done not a leader of their own. But think about Philadelphia, where Hanks is in the Denzel Washington part. And Eddie is in the Tom Hanks part. That would have fucked people's head up.

What's your Eddie relationship, Craig? You're two generations removed.

Unfortunately, I think the relationship with Eddie is that I knew he was famous first before I had a relationship with a specific movie. To be honest, he made Dr. Doolittle, and that's probably the first thing I saw with Eddie Murphy.

That's like most people under 35.

It's pretty remarkable that for a guy as talented as him who was the biggest star in the world, his career does still feel like a missed opportunity a little bit. It's like Aaron Rodgers only having one ring. You're like, he was the most talented quarterback I've ever seen, and he only has one ring.

That's not right.

He should have won at least one Oscar. There's part of me that is still like, if Eddie Murphy started a podcast tomorrow, it would be the biggest podcast in the world. Do you know what I mean? There's like- Would you see the documentary?

I did.

It was interesting because it was all the good and bad of where it is now, where it was a very safe, controlled documentary that was afraid to really go anywhere. But I was completely riveted the whole time.

He's a good raconteur.

I loved it. He told great stories, and I had a great time.

You still want to love him whenever you see him. You know something else that happened? Now that I think about it is Hollywood really split Eddie into like, thirds in the '90s. They took the charm of Eddie, and then that was Will Smith. Almost anything that Will Smith was doing, you could have imagined Eddie doing. They took the straight up...

Bad Boys would have been Eddie 10 years earlier.

Men in Black. You know what I mean? He had to play a little bit younger than him, but still. Then they took Rush Hour. They wanted Eddie to be in Rush Hour. That was supposed to be Eddie Murphy. But Chris Tucker was occupying that space for a little while. But in the '80s, there was one guy at the top who could do all of that stuff that those guys can do when you split them apart.

Yeah, he never was in Independence Day or Armageddon, any of those type of movies because he was too famous to be one of the seven guys. You get trapped. You're like your own franchise.

Some of those movies started to do a little bit of money ball where it's like, well, we'll get John Malkovich to be the bad guy in Con Air because his price point is probably not going to be as high as Eddie Murphy or something like that. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Well, in this movie, in 48 Hours, the one he was paid $200,000. In this one, he was paid $12 million plus points. He actually came up with the story and used the pseudonym for it. Talked Nolte into it. Nolte called Walter Hill, the director, who we'll talk about in a second. He said, What do you think, Walt? Then nick said, If we do one and it stinks, we're still batting 500.

That's funny.

But he said it in the Nolte voice. If we do one and it stinks.

Not a bad life lesson.

Yeah. Walter Hill said, A lot of folks will say, I'm just doing it for the money. What I want to know is why do I think they made the first one? The most interesting thing about this movie is something we'll talk about right after the break. All right, so we mentioned this is a complicated rewatchable because it's rewatchable, but it is among the movies that made me the maddest. I didn't fully realize till we did the research CR that this should have been a two and a half hour long movie that got cut to 120. Then a week before the release, Paramount panicked because Total Recall had done really well and was short. They said, We got to get this down to 95. They just fucking brought the chainsaw out and chopped it. This is the reason the plot is so nonsensical. It's like, Wait, how do they know? That's why. Because they just took out scenes that would have explained shit.

They definitely chopped this thing to shit. I am a little curious how none of that has ever gotten on any DVD or on YouTube or there's never been like…

Twenty-five minutes is like six scenes. Yes.

I mean, the conceit of the movie, 48 Hours, that ended up on the cutting room floor as well. Yes.

The idea that Jack has a deadline To find the Iceman.

Totally cut out. It's in one of the trailers. He tells Reggie, I only have 48 hours. We got to find the Iceman or I'm going to jail. Just gone. Apparently, Cruise, Keo's buddy in this, has a whole arc that's gone. The guy who played Keo explains the whole thing. He said he lost every major scene he had. It felt like getting kicked in the stomach. I was the third lead. I looked like a dressed extra. There's no mention of 48 Hours in the film anywhere. This is just how it went.

When I read that quote from Brian James about playing Keo, right? Yeah. I thought, to some extent, they may have made that decision to maintain the twist of who Iceman is, and that's why they cut his stuff out.

I mean, it's not even a twist. It would be like right now, a van was like, I'm the Iceman. It's like, what?

I've been writing JD Vance's tweets.

That's funny. That would be interesting. No, it worked on me when I was a kid, though.

Oh, I didn't care at all when I was a kid. You guys got to understand, this was an era where we didn't really pay that much attention.

No, it is true. Tango and Cash get set up in two scenes. They put it all together. They go to jail. The whole trial happens. They go to jail, and we're just rocking and rolling. That's what you tell me the movie's about?

Let's have some fun. The problem for me is I was a sophomore in college, and 48 Hours was my favorite movie. Right.

So you were looking at different.

And they do another 48 Hours, and it's like, Keo is the Iceman. It's like, No. You fucked down with when I watched the first movie, and he's helping Jack with Reggie. Why would he help him if he was the Iceman? Why would he help him in any way, shape, before?

Maybe one of the scenes that got cut is the Iceman's late arriving. It's only after 48 hours that he becomes the Iceman.

No, but that's not true because Reggie's like, remember that money we took, $400,000? Took that off the Iceman, the guy who bought your car. So that makes you the dumbest motherfucker. So Iceman had to be going in 1980.

But is this Eddie Murphy's idea? If he does the story?

But maybe it made sense with the extra 45 minutes.

I think that it's more of a movie movie in terms of the plot making sense and all of that stuff with the extra time in it. But it probably is lesser, honestly. It probably...

I don't know. This movie might be heat. We'll never know. It's going to be a Michael Mann movie.

Well, you joke, and we haven't said why we like this movie yet. This movie is still a Walter Hill movie shot by Matthew Leonetti It's just about to go into that. It looks fucking awesome. This movie is such a great hang. It's still got the banger James Horner score.

I have it like, oddly well-directed, real sense of tension and danger in these scenes. Great villains? Yeah. Great villains. Totally fucking crazy guys that you are actually scared of that represent danger whenever they're around. It moves so quickly. I don't know if it would move that same way if we had more time with all of these characters.

It's the opening scene. It's filmed like it's a fucking Oscar winner.

I have that in a category coming up.

It's really good. Walter Hill, this was his last hurrah. After this, he had Trespassed Geronimo, Wild Bill, Last Man Standing. Cr and I.

Trespassed Geronimo and Wild Bill all have things to recommend about them.

I like those movies.

Well, I'm just saying none of them did well.

Trespass, I really like. Trespassed, A Treasure Hunt in the hood. How have they not done that again? Trespassed, I love that It bombed. It did.

Not in my high school. It's funny.

Were you going to pick on Judgment Night in your high school?

Yeah, but Trespass was the idea of Trespass. We were like, this is the best idea for a movie I've ever heard.

I loved Trespass.

I went and found the 1990 Premiere magazines to see if they did another 40 Hours, and they only had a summer movie preview, and they were doing predictions, and they called Walter, Walter Over the Hill. That's what he got in another 40 Hours. Fuck that. Cr and I met him. The Running Man screening. He was sitting right behind us, and we were probably 20% too excited.

We were like, Chris Farley. We were like, Chris Farley in SNL. Then when you did this.

Remember the Warriors?

I was like, Mr. Hill, I'm a huge fan of extreme prejudice.

I think he was flattered. Yeah, sure. But yeah, so he did Warriors in 48 Hours. After that, it doesn't really matter, does it? You come up with those two?

He also did Riders, Southern Comfort. He's done so many good movies.

Warriors, though, stands the test of time as much as any movie, man.

We're bringing that back because when we did it the first time in the rewatchables, we didn't have a lot of the categories.

The re warrior?

Shay didn't really like it. That was one of the only times I forgot to make sure.

How could that be possible?

Shay was fine with it. I thought he loved it for some reason, and then he was like, Yeah, but...

That is the most Shay Serrano-coated movie, maybe ever.

I was stunned. I just assumed that he loved it, and he was lukewarm on it. So CR and I had to carry it.

Shay. I had to carry Shay.

We had to carry it. A legitimate genius. We talked to him into it. By the end of the pod, I think he liked it more.

I think he enjoyed our enthusiasm.

For sure. What a great movie.

It's just amazing.

Talk about, what did I say it was 89 minutes?

The rare sub-90.

I mean, it might be for batting average/advance metrics, pound for pound per minute, the greatest action movie ever.

It's a piece of culture.

They created an entire universe.

It becomes more. It becomes more. It's like a weird, drugged-out postmodern treatise on the crime-written New York in the 1970s and gangs and all of that. It's like a beautifully fucked up dystopian novel, almost.

It is remarkable they did that in 90 minutes.

It's also like we still in 2025, 2026 are like, Oh, that's the warriors. That's so warriors. It's still a touch to it.

You know what's amazing about the warriors? They never fucked with it. Nobody was like, We're remaking the warriors. It was like there would have actually been riots in the street if they tried to remake that movie. It's almost like remaking The Godfather or some of these movies nobody would ever touch. The Warriors was like that. You would think that they would have remade that four times already, but it stayed away. Bunch of that guys in this movie. We mentioned Brian James, Kevin Taggy? Yeah.

Oh, yeah, I like him. From the Christmas adventurers. In Van's Favorite film.

Owned the Double Deuce. Needed some help.

Yeah, that's right. He was a good...

He needed to find the best cooler in the South.

He was the good guy in that one, but he's got such a smirky, fucked up face that when you see him in other shit, you're like, There's the guy that you're not supposed to call.

It's funny because he was in Emergency, which was one of my first favorite TV shows in the '70s, and he was just like a Noah Wiley type of '70s good guy.

Should we address the fact that Neil Fisher emailed our email inbox to explain the last shot of Roadhouse to us? Oh, yeah.

What was that? I don't remember that.

Big fan of the pod. Been listening since the beginning. Love the mailbag episode. When I heard you mention Roadhouse and you're looking for an answer to a question, my ears perked up. I'm a filmmaker Baker, an author from Chicago. My first book was released in 2021. It was about Swayze. While writing it, I was in contact with a bunch of Swayze collaborators like his widow Lisa, and I became with Roadhouse Alums, Marshall Teague.

Yeah.

And director Rowdy Harrington. I asked Rowdy if the skinny-dipping scene was shot to be used in the middle of the movie since Cody is there, or if it's something else. The blind guy. Rowdy says that always was meant to be the end of the movie, and he loves the final song When the Night Comes Falling from the Sky. Hope that helps.

You know that I got this mailback question about how the blind guy was just in the skinny-dipping scene. It was like, did they skinny-dip in front of him because they couldn't see?

Yeah, he couldn't see anything.

But it's like a little Easter egg.

There's one more of that guy we got to talk about.

Okay, go for it. Andrew Divoff, who plays Gans' brother. Also the bad guy in Toy soldiers. What a run for him. The movie we did a couple of years ago on the rewatch, was me and Kyle Brandt. That's really it for him.

Wait a minute. No, he also was... Wasn't he in... Okay, so we're talking about the guy with the long hair and the- Cherry. Yeah, like a low down dirty shame.

Oh. Remember a low down dirty shame? What a early '90s run for him.

Low Dirty Shame. I remember he says he's trying to get under Shane's skin. It's about the beautiful, top-tier, gorgeous Sally Whitfield. Oh, my God. Shout out to John Dre, man. But he's talking about her and he just looks at Shane. He goes, Yes, she loved to fuck. That's what he says about it. He goes, because he's trying to get under his skin because that's his girl. He's going out. He's like, Yes, it wasn't She loved it to fuck. I was like, God damn. Tell somebody, your ex, Hey, I'm with your girl now. Just to let you know. She loved it to fuck. It's a scene in Low Down Dirty Shame. He's in the movie.

Horalbex Scale, The Century Club for Craig. A hundred minutes, that's the curve one way or the other. We're at 95 minutes here, Craig. We're at plus five.

I know, plus five. Perfect length.

We could have had a 140-minute movie.

He was psyched for the other version.

You could have given me five more or something like that, but this is right in the sweet spot, necessarily.

$50 million budget made $153. 5 million. Roger Ebert, two stars. Yeah, that's not right. I can't fight back on this. He said, You know how sometimes in a dream, you'll see these familiar scenes and faces floating in and out of focus and you're not sure how they'll connect? Another 48 Hours is a movie that feels the same way. Broad outlines, villains, cops, all basic movie stereotypes. What exactly is happening here? If it does nothing else, Another 48 Hours reminds us that Murphy is a big, genuine talent. Now it's time for him to make a good movie.

God damn.

He challenged him. Boomerang. Boomerang is a great movie.

Yeah.

Watch Party. Out of all the possible scenarios, Five O'Clocker for me.

It's maybe a top five Five O'Clocker. It's exactly what you would want. You would go-Perfect. Back in the day, maybe you get three trailers. Say, Five O'Clock movie starts around 5: 15, 5: 20.

You're home in time for dinner.

Home for dinner.

It's maybe a 4: 55 start. A movie kicks in around 5: 08. You get out.

You're out of there by 5: 50. Early enough for young Bill Simmons to take you out and tell you all the problems with Iceman continuity.

That would have happened. I would have been like, Can we go get a Dunk of Donuts? I got to explain how dumb this Keo thing is.

Why this didn't work for me?

Can we get an ice coffee? Most rewatchable scene. My first one isn't until 26 minutes into the movie. Unless you want to go with the opening.

I like the opening. I like the opening. I just have so many questions about it. Who goes to that bar? Who frequents that bar in the middle of the desert? No where's it for bikers or something like that.

Where is it?

Is it in California? Is there a desert Where do you think that- Well, let's ask Craig.

Is there a desert in Northern California?

I mean, probably, but not super close to San Francisco. I mean, you could be up heading towards Napa, I suppose.

With those types of dudes.

They were like they were in fucking East. Where's Lompak or where's some of their- I don't know.

It's almost like a fever dream, that scene. That poor bartender.

Poor bartender gets killed. Two cops. Well, you're into the movie. Five minutes. Two cops, gone. Old-timer Bartender, out of here.

Old-timer bartender, probably bulletproof vest to work every day, I would say.

With that job. Can he go two days without getting more than one customer sometimes? That's a pretty far-flung bar.

It's tough. Yeah, especially I'm guessing It wasn't like $15 for a Jack and Coke.

No, it probably wasn't. Probably a couple of bucks.

Jack gets attacked by the bikers, and then Reggie's bus gets attacked simultaneously.

That's a fantastic action scene.

It's really… This is 26 minutes in. This movie all of a sudden takes off. We get to hear Reggie sing James Brown. I wrote this down. This has happened a few times in movies, most famously in Fast Four at the end. Prison transport busses getting attacked. Yeah.

Yes. Prison transport. It's a home run every time. I also like it whenever- Carrying prisoners under attack. He's trying to communicate with the prison transport bus, like in Rebel Ridge.

Oh, Rebel Ridge, a good one.

He's driving next to his cousin.

He's like, Stay up.

I'm trying to think when that hasn't worked. Then if you're the prisoner and you're being transported in real life, deep down, you're probably hoping.

Wait, does this not happen in both US marshals and the fugitive as well? No, it's a plane crash.

Us marshals plane crash.

Yeah, the fugitive.

The fugitive is just a straight bus crash.

Bus crash, yeah. It's not attacked.

Vas4 is an intentional attack to free Vin Diesel.

I expand on this and say that anytime the prison transport mechanism is in peril, it's a good scene.

Yeah.

Also, the same guy is driving the bus in every scene, no matter what movie it is. It's like the little bit of a fat guy looks like he's from Chicago and he's got a mustache.

It would have been cool if there was more of a budget, if Shot Caller had more of a budget.

For a prison transport?

If we could have got the transport going. Yeah.

Shot Caller. Shot Caller.

So I had never seen Shot Caller, right?

Until we did rewatchable?

Well, I can't remember.

I badgered you to see it.

I'm looking at that, and I'm just not going to watch Jamie Lancaster as a hard ass. I'm just not looking at it. I'm not going to watch it. I'm not looking at that. And then I watched Shotcaller, and what the fuck, man? Shotcaller is way better than it had any business been.

It's what I wanted from Rip.

The Rip, yeah. For it to be a little... Well, Shotcaller is way smarter than The Rip is. The Rip is a fucking dumb movie. It's good.

All right.

That's a stupid movie, bro. Why? It's just like, come on, bro. It's a five-cent twist at the end of the movie. I enjoyed the rip. I really I enjoyed the rip. I enjoyed the rip. I did. It was worth the time.

My review to CR was that the rip probably needed worse actors.

It probably should have had the Den of Thiefs level actor in that movie.

Then you would have felt like, Hey, I got more than I bargain for. But if you're looking at the two motherfuckers from Goodwill hunting, you're expecting slightly more.

I'm expecting heat when I see those guys, and it was not heat. It was more in the really well done den of Thiefs Camp.

But Shot Caller, when I was watching it, that seemed like some made for cable type shit. No, the movie took itself very seriously. I didn't see what was coming at the end. It's like a legitimately good movie. I think he still was probably miscast. You probably could have got people to take that movie more seriously if you were to cast somebody else in the lead.

But I disagree. I thought he was awesome. The movie's good. I think you just took too much Jamie Lanister baggage into it.

Probably so. I didn't say it was a bad movie. What I'm saying is to get more people into that film, if it had been somebody different.

I just think they botched the release. I didn't even see it for three years. I didn't even know it was out. Yeah. Let's write a movie where a prison transport bus gets attacked. I don't know what happens the rest of the movie, but that's just how it starts.

Oh, I can tell you something. How about this? This will get made. This will get made, Ringer Films.

Ringer Films.

Prison transport bus gets attacked by fucking vampires. Okay? This movie gets made. Ampires. They're fucking... They Woken up from their slumber. They're hungry.

Dust before transport.

Dust before transport. These are hungry vents. They're on the fucking problem.

Craig's in on this.

Prison bus, they smell it, but they don't realize that they fuck with the wrong bus, baby. These guys can handle themselves. I'm telling you.

Could we do...

I wonder. He didn't green light my shit.

Well, I'm still thinking about it. I need a green light. Does that be a prison transport or could it be any bus?

No.

It has to be a Greyhound?

No, the Sixers are taking a bus from Philly to MSG. The bus is under attack. Tyrese Maxi has to save the day. It gets vampire.

And Bede goes down at the first touch of a bus. And Bede is 10 minutes into the movie.

No, and Bede becomes a vampire. It gets to him. Yeah, and all of a sudden... And he becomes the bad guy. Do you know how we know that the vampire have gotten in beat? Because all of a sudden...

Because he's playing.

He's playing, he's not getting hurt. He's moving around, but there's...

He's just a vampire walking around in Skechers. I noticed you haven't really commented on his revival.

Is it a revival?

I think he's playing quite well. Okay.

He is. Once Bill gets a take, he doesn't ever go back on these days.

How long has he been playing well? Like three weeks? Yeah.

About the time the Celtics have been good. Great.

Next scene. Reggie and Jack hit the hospital into Reggie's car blowing up, which includes Eddie just ripping off lines like, Oh, great. I get to spend my first day out with Arthur goddamn red neck. Fucking hilarious. I'm broke. I'm been shot at. I was in a bus that flipped 17 times.

That's the trailer. That's the trailer. They blew up my car. They blew up my car.

They blew up my car. Is this when he goes, That's it. I'm calling some of my fucking homies. I'm getting alone.

I'm getting them to set the fuck off. All of a sudden, this is the best movie you've ever seen. Then when he's calling the different people for the Bunny, and they was like, No, I was there when you beat the bitch up.

He's like, Yeah. He's like, You become a Christian. That was just funny. I was there when you beat the bitch up. But all of this stuff, you talk about how bad the movie is. It's so good. Could have just been a home movie. Maybe it's nostalgia. The The bar, the bus. All of this stuff is moving real quick, and it's hard not to be entertained.

He told me that cops ain't shit, and you were just pussies that I'm like, I'm not your passions. You all said he's going to park his car, and he don't care if it's a no parking zone.

Reggie explains the Iceman and Jack. The Iceman bought your house, which makes you probably the dumbest motherfucker law enforcement. I also like the line, he makes Gans look like Gandhi. Yeah. Then he does the same seven years in prison. You remember every story about a pussy you ever heard? But we're cooking. It's starting to feel like 48 hours again. I also like Reggie spots a pickpocket. I love anytime somebody says she's dancing at a bird cage up in North Beach. I know I'm in the right movie. That sounds great. I thought the band was just terrible. We get a bar fight and we get him shooting somebody and asking if anyone else wants a limp. You like that scene? We love it.

I mean, all of this stuff is from the trailer. The trailer itself, I remember as a kid, it was everywhere. A lot of promotion for this movie. This was a big one. Trailer goes through all this. It shows everything that's happened to him. Then it shows him shooting the gun like this, almost the same way he did in Heart of Nights. Shooting the gun like that. It was hilarious.

Chinatown Hotel shootout.

At the King Mai.

First of all, some good stunts in this.

Some great stunts in that. That is That's an intense, desperate shootout. The hotel shootout is from a different movie. That's not normally the type of shit that you get.

It's the same. All the stuff with Cherry and Hiccup is from...

It's from the first one.

It's from the other version of the movie. It's a better, crazier version of the first. Yeah. Because think about him, I fucking killed you, P. That guy isn't trying to be funny. That's like a serious fucking... He's pissed the fuck off.

Have you ever wanted to jump into a garbage dumpster? Yeah. Into the garbage bags like they do in these movies? I feel like in real life, you would do it and you just get a broken wine bottle and die. It's like, no way you survive it. They make it seem so easy. It's like this cushy fall. But the thing that I never- You're jumping into a Samsung TV.

I don't think about getting that. I don't think about falling on somebody All these old steak or some old gumble they threw out or being in the middle of a Pamper or something like that.

So many bad things are in the garbage stuff. They're never in a movie.

Hollywood's in crisis because you know there was a day to a week of meetings about what should Cherry fall onto when We finally kill him. Or no, is it Cherry or is it the ice maid who falls into the water bottles?

No, that's Cherry.

Cherry. It's like, he's going to go out the window. What should he hit him? What should he fall on? They probably were like, What would look fucking amazing? That would have cost $10 million now to throw a guy out of a window. That's a real dude. He's fully a stunt man.

This movie is crazy with the stunts. We didn't even talk about the guy that for a nothing scene, like a nothing scene, just gets torched. So Set a human being on fire.

I'm getting to that. Okay.

A nothing scene. Set a human being on fire. Set a torch. Set on fire for no reason.

What about the stunt going through the movie screen and the motorcycle's landing perfectly right between the aisles? But that's not CGI. I don't know how they did that. That's movie magic, man. If you're a tiny bit over to the left, you're just hitting a chair.

Are you aware that in 1969, the United States was able to successfully put men on a spacecraft and then get them to the moon?

I don't like your sarcasm.

He also might be a little bit dubious about whether that happened. Do you think that it happened? Stanley Kubrick did that in the back lot of Paramount. What point is that?

If they were able to do that. I stand with Danny Torrance, his spaceship sweatshirt. I really like Bernie Casey in this movie, but I like when they go to visit him and he goes, You are paying your debt to me, and punches the glass.

When I was a kid, that used to scare me. I used to be terrified.

He's in a different movie.

You are paying my debt to me.

Bernie Casey is the stuff that got cut out or just the explanation of that.

Is he the Judd Nelson, You're in a different movie, but I'm really enjoying it? Yeah. Bernie Casey is in Shot Collar. He's not in another 40 Hours. He's over here.

He hates Reggie. Reggie's so scared of him. Then when he punches a hole through the fucking glass, that scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.

By the way, Bernie Casey, pretty atypical role for him. He's running Lambda, Lambda, Lambda and Revenge of the Nerds. Even in the Blacksportation stuff, he was usually the good guy. He wasn't the bad guy.

Around this time or a little bit after this, I'm going to get you Sucker comes out.

Yeah. Did Bernie Casey ever play Felix later in any Bond movies?

I don't think so. I always thought Bernie Casey was really good. He's the man. Anything he was in. He was the man. I really like him in this movie.

But I really like him in this movie. Like a plus performer, whatever he was in.

Then we had the Club North Beach final shoot. That's the last one. Ridiculous Iceman reveal. We get to see a hostage taken in a stripper cage elevator. Sign me up. You set me up, Ben. You were getting too close, Jack. I like when people are trying to kill each other, but they're having a conversation. You set me up, CR.

Iceman's got to- Sorry, man, you were losing control of the Ringer.

That's the Mr. And Mrs. Smith. You're arguing while shooting each other. Yeah.

Gans' brother falls to his death on a water bottle truck. And then Jack, the twist, he shoots Reggie to get to Keia.

He shoots Reggie with, I think, a 44 magnum?

Reggie shit is fucked up.

Reggie's not. He's losing his arm.

Losing a ton of blood instantaneously.

I don't know why they didn't. I thought they were setting him up to have him in a vest. They mentioned it halfway through the movie.

Jack has a vest at the Diner.

He gets shot six times with a vest. I thought, Oh, this was a plan they concocted where if he needs to be shot, he can be shot because he has a vest on and he's not in one.

I don't want to go all like, lioness ballistics. We should have a whole pod called Ballistics, where we talk about the guns in these fucking movies. You get shot from that range with that gun. Your shit is fucked up.

You need to be in the hospital table in an hour.

Yeah, the '80s were a big gun. I mean, Gans is carrying a Desert Eagle in this, right? Yeah. They were a big caliber gun decade before you.

Jesus, I didn't realize American sniper was here. I know, seriously.

What? It would have been funny, though, if he had shot him where he shot him and he goes, There goes college softball.

What do you got for most rewatchable CR?

Well, I'll just do a shout out to the motocross scene because it is such an unnecessary use of burning a stuntman near the death. I also love Brent Jennings in this movie as Bros, but there's no real reason to have that scene in the movie. But it is awesome that they're just like, What I need is a motocross track, 25 experienced motocross bike riders that Then we're going to have a stuntman get lit on fire with a shootout, and all the motorcycles need to miss nick Nulte by an inch. A little bit. Yeah. But my favorite scene is probably the Let Eddie Murphy cook.

The eight minutes of Eddie Murphy just cook it.

I agree. The payphone scene is my favorite scene. It's the one that I most get excited to watch. I will say to your point about Brent Jennings in this, an underrated scene is when the two guys confront him in the room and they shoot his ear.

Oh, Malcolm. Yeah. Or not Malcolm, no. Tyrone. Yeah.

Brent Jenny is in the movie, right? Yeah. When they shoot his ear. That scene, once again- And he starts laughing.

I like he didn't get shot and laugh.

It's like from a horror movie.

It's also the way it's shot is really- Yeah, they do some weird, scary camera stuff.

You start to see how insane he really is because he gets shot in the ear, then still delivers to them the message that he needs to so they can finish their job. Then they finish them.

It's like when Trump got shot in the ear.

Okay, now. I know you're on Netflix now, but yeah. That didn't make sense. I don't know what the correlation is. If it would have been paramount, maybe.

What's the most 1990 thing about this movie, CR?

I think unironically ordering Brewskis and then having those beers be Miller Genuin draft bottles.

I recently tried Miller Genuin draft for the first time. That's not a great beer.

Yeah. Then also just the Iceman using an Uzi. What do you drink?

What beer do you drink?

He drinks Mille La Vultre.

Sure. Light beer. I love Miller Light, Coors Light.

Okay. Oh, a real American.

Sure.

There you go.

Mgd is not really around anymore.

It's certainly not around in LA. I do not see Mgd in LA.

It tastes more like malt liquor.

These are the beers of my home. When I came out here, all the Whites I knew, it was Paps Blue Ribbon. It was like, give me a Modello, give me a San Angeles IPA or whatever. When I'm from, the ones that I grew up with, give me a Miller light, give me a Coors. These are the Americans I knew. Out here, things change. I don't even know. Who are the Miller light people at the Ringer? Who are they? Chang.

Chang loves a Miller light.

Oh, that makes sense. That tracks.

I drink Michelobultra.

I got it. We got it.

It's refreshing. It's only 90 calories. My most 99 thing about this movie is just this stage of Eddie's career. He's fat in this movie for him. Yeah, a little bit. He talks about he hates watching this movie because he thinks he's fat in it.

His hair is starting to go a little bit.

He just looks older and like...

He looks pretty good, though. Outside of the- He's wearing that big suit where it's like- Man, I feel like he looks handsome and in shape.

Yes.

You know? No, but if you watch the first movie, that suit is tight on him.

Man, my mama, when When we watched this movie- She loved him. She would not stop talking about how much weight Eddie Murphy had gained. That's one of the things I remember.

You really feel it in the suit. It's almost like a David Burns suit on him compared to the first movie.

When I watched it again, though, The suit is big. The suit is big.

But he's fat for him. Yeah. Which stage is the best?

Hold on. I got to do my most '90s theme. What is it? I want to say, convertibles in movies. I can think of so many movies with people driving around in convertibles, Wins, K9, people driving around in convertibles, having conversations in the open air in movies. I looked it up. Less convertibles in movies because less convertibles, period. The convertible was phased out in the '90s.

I also wonder whether or not convertible is a better shot. You get more of whatever, even if it's a screen background, cinematically.

You know what the problem is? Fucking skin cancer. That's killed convertibles.

Didn't you have a convertible?

Yeah, I had one for 25 years. I always had a convertible. I had to give it up. Guess what? I got a big melanoma on my forehead, and that was it. I never had a convertible again after that. No, I think people just would bake in the sun in a convertible and not think twice about it. Now, I think people are a little more sun careful. You don't really see it. Craig's generation.

Too careful about the sun?

Just more careful about the sun.

It is a thing. People put on sunscreen every morning. I don't do that, but that's a thing.

It's recommended for out here. Yes.

Like a part of your daily morning routine is you apply sunscreen.

Back in the '90s, just put that top down, fucking baking the sun, turn bright red.

Have an MgD. Have an MgD.

It's just a better time. Go to a strip rent with a stripper cage. Watch the stripper cage elevator going up and down. These were the days.

That's what they were watching.

What stage is the best? What do you got, CR?

Ball-busting cop talk. Now, Jack, a cop is a guy, and sometimes a guy steps on his dick.

This guy I was obsessed with stepping on dick. You said you stepped on your dick. He said it three times in one sentence.

I just love all the ball busting that happens in the precinct.

We don't do it the same way anymore with precincts. We just lost the narrative. These chaotic precincts with a lot of sarcasm and a lot of insulting. It just doesn't exist anymore.

Busting each other's balls.

Yeah, we don't have ball busting.

You think work from home killed precincts? I do.

I think COVID.

We know what we need at the Ringer.

I think Karen Bass. Cops on Zoom calls.

Karen Bask. You know what we need at the Ringer? We need a police captain at the Ringer.

Just somebody- Somebody walks in here, Laven, get your motherfucking ass in my office.

We need to- Our guy got cut out of this movie, Frank McCray.

Yeah. Who was the The Sergeant yelling at them in the first movie. Just out. I always need that guy. If I'm going to be in a couple of it.

Andy Murphy apparently agrees with you because he's just Inspector Todd, but in San Francisco.

What do you have for what stage is best?

The animus between and Metropolitan Americans. I hear a lot of talk on this. Hillbillies, rednecks, all this stuff. We had it then and we have it now. We can't get on the same page. It's tough.

I have a...

Oh, also an Internal Affairs. Internal Affairs in the '80s, Scumbags.

Hated them. Yeah, they fucking hated IA.

Hated IA. Every single movie, IA, Scumbags.

But now- I have two I love. I love evil Internal Affairs guys. Or seemingly evil, but they're really doing their job. Honestly, villainous biker gangs. Tell me when that doesn't work in a movie. It's good. These guys are just bad guys. They got bikes. That's all they need.

Villanous bad biker gangs, culturally expired, but then I feel like sons of anarchy.

And task.

Yeah, but in a very different way, though.

I also had a fun action movie sequel gimmick. Is the Dead Guys Brother Coming to Exact Revenge?

It's fine by me. Sign me up. Fine by me.

If a bus can flip with prisoners, even better. Then any movie that has an exchange like this, we're looking for a whore that works here. Angel don't work here anymore. She's dancing up in North Beach. I'm probably in the right theater.

I meant to come see the new Colleen Hoover, but it turns out I'm right where I need to be.

You guys understand me. This isn't Hamlet? I thought I was.

Denethees' Benihana Award for scene stealing location and the Kit Cutty Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop, I'm giving to the Birdcage, which was that strip club at the end, which I thought was a really good bar scene. You could also talk me into the first location. The Sand Dunes. Sand Dunes bar, whatever that one's called.

Sneaky candidate here is the King Mai Hotel for me. Oh, yeah. Single-room occupancy. Single-room occupancy.

Hour per rental. Great Shot, Order Award, Most Cinematic Shot. What do you got here?

There's a Which, Walter Hill is a G. There's a great shot of them coming up the hill in Jack's catty when they're pulling up to Reggie's car for the first time before it explodes. Nice wide shot. For some reason, there's spotlights going at the bottom of the hill in San Francisco. San Francisco is just such a beautiful, cinematic city anyway, as we will discuss in Zodiac. But that was just a great shot.

There's a neat little shot when I think it's Reggie's getting out of jail to where they stop to talk, and he shoots it from between the bars.

Yeah, low. Yeah, you're right.

A low angle where it makes them look like they're having a conversation in prison. Good shot.

I had that one. I also really like the slowmo of Reggie getting shot and Keo realizing what's happening in slow motion as he sees Reggie sinking down and then turning back to Jack. It's just like good slowmo. Yeah. Very rarely do we have good slowmo. Here's a new award, the Dorfler's Door Award for How Much Did That Hurt? Named after Marvin Dorfler Midnight Running. They slam the door. Getting a basketball whipped in your face like that from close range, which hurts. He does to him.

Broken in the nose? Yeah, you're fucked.

So it might have him in the chin? I just feel like there's blood. Yes. I think that would really hurt.

Nulti gets off pretty easy in this movie compared to what happened in the first one.

The first one, he's bleeding out of every orifice by the end of that movie.

In this one, he's just like, yeah.

Yeah. Well, We'll take a break, and then Ciar has got to flex. All right, Ciar, flex category. What do you got?

I'm going to do a double here, but it's the same scene. It's the same, so I hope it's okay with you. The Sean Fentacy Award for Stealth Hommage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm for essentially redoing the opening of Once Upon a Time in the West with the bikers arriving at the bar in the beginning. So spaghetti Western opening. And then the Rick Cacete Award, meat award Read the whole thing, please. The Rick Kiketty Guardmeat Award for Most Memorable Death by a Security Guard or Other Bystander whom the movie treats as inconsequential, but who probably had a spouse and kids who love him or her for the female cop that gets desert eagled in the bar and gets blown through a window. It's just like, All right, that's the first thing in this movie.

That's a great new word. I love that word.

Two cops down. What about the poor bastard who was just coming out of his hotel room and takes four to the chest? He was just getting a hand job. Yeah, he's in there. What a lady. What rack is going on out here? And then boom, boom, boom, boom, he's dead.

Those are great ones.

That was a mouthful. Sorry about that. Is it Chiketty or Kiketty? Okay. Rick, let us know.

I'm going to add here the Hans Gruber scale villain ranking. Cherry Gantz. What do you think? Five and a half?

Six? I like him.

Do we need more comedy from him? What was he missing?

It's a one note. I don't mean to dominate the floor here, but this is my hottest take.

Oh, do it now.

We got to get back to guys like Cherry Gantz. It was a deeply satisfying experience to watch it. Just a truly psychopathic bad guy. Now, I don't have to worry about his childhood or what he really wants in life or who hurt him. He's like, You killed my brother. I'm killing mad cops until I get to you. That was an awesome bad guy.

So you'd go higher. It sounds like you'd go eight.

Yeah, I love Cherry.

So angry. I thought I killed you. So angry. He wanted him fucking dead. Fucking dead. Fucking dead. I thought, I killed your dad. I killed your dad. I'm like, God, it was like an opera.

We're really talking ourselves into this movie. Was there a What's the title for this movie? Do We Like Another 48 Hours as a title?

Another 48 Hours: Cherry's Revenge.

I love a colon.

How about 48 Hours, too?

Well, I mean, another makes more sense than that.

How about 48 More Hours?

Well, if they knew that they were going to take the 48 Hours part out of the movie, I would have just called it Jack and Reggie.

Jack and Reggie.

48 Hours to Reggie gets out?

Yeah.

That works.

Butch's Girlfriend Award, week link of the film. The plot's incoherent, and we covered all the reasons why.

Story.

Jack can't find the Iceman for years but never suspects other cops.

Jack is such a fucking idiot guy.

Reggie's buddy got in jail the whole time. Nobody asked him.

Jack is dumb. Yeah. Okay, Jack is dumb.

Every time I get close to Iceman.

Reggie realizes it, too. Reggie's like, Hey, Jack, the Iceman is a cop. I couldn't be a cop. Reggie's like, You're an idiot. You're a dead ass. It's definitely a cop. You're stupid as fuck.

Reggie's 29, and he's been in jail for 10 years, and he figures it out. He figures it out in a day.

It takes him a day to figure it out.

Also, why wouldn't they just kill Jack? It's like Jack's getting close. Hey, how about this? Let's just shoot him in the head tomorrow. Cool. They'll kill everybody else. I'll kill him. What do you have for Weeklink?

I had the Bernie Casey, Tisha Campbell part. Just felt like it was stapled on at the end. What about her?

Tisha Campbell is one of... I have this argument about Tisha Campbell.

Oh, boy.

I think Tisha Campbell is one of the most important performers in Black cultural history.

She had a lovely episode of The Lowdown recently.

See, Tisha Campbell has been so consistent over the decades. You can pop on Little Shop of Horrors. Look at that. Tisha Campbell, Martin throughout the '90s.

Boomerang, next door neighbor.

House party, Boomerang. You think about these fundamental parts of Black cultural film stuff. She's there. Pops up again, my wife and kids. Tisha Campbell has had a fantastic, amazing career. We don't appreciate her enough.

I just meant randomly endangering this woman at the end of it. For no reason she gets taken hostage. Yeah, I get Also, Cherry puts that one together pretty fast.

Do you have a week link or no?

The story is the week link. You know what I hate, though? There's one thing that I hate in the movie because I know people, and I know people that work at places. Like Angel? Yeah. I know people that work at places.

You're doing Angel North Beach?

I have known a lot of angels. Dance it up. A lot of different North beaches.

It's up there, North Beach, dancing.

He comes up to her, he goes, Here's $75,000. She If it comes from him, it's probably got blood on it. I don't want it. That's not happening.

Taking it?

That's not happening. Okay. $75,000. Hey, man, how's my dad doing? I appreciate it. Give me the motherfucking money. Get out the goddamn store. Every time I see something like that. I know the grandmamas, the aunties, the baby mamas, all of that. The 75,000 is being taken.

What's Age the Worst? I have a special What the Hell Were They Thinking piece for this where Jack goes to see Reggie in jail who's playing basketball, and the scene's not good. How is that not a great scene? That should have been the best scene in the movie. They haven't seen each other in five years.

What's Age the Worst is the gap between the two movies. The If this movie needed to come out in '87 or '87 or something or '85.

Yeah, I think that's fair. Why have them sing Roxanne again? There's a couple of things they do in this movie. It's like, dude, it's almost a why didn't somebody on the set stop this award?

Why isn't he singing When Dubs Cry or something?

Don't do He did that.

Do you think this is a movie that they made and they were trying to make a movie where you didn't have to see the first one? Eddie's such a big star now that he's got such an expanding-Yeah, but it wasn't like it was like- I'm asking.

I think 48 Hours, everyone had seen this.

It's not like 48 Hours was Rushmore. You know what I mean?

But you see this movie at this particular time. I just think it was Lazy.

I just think they were being Lazy. The Rufflehanna Rubinick Pertinent Overacting Word clearly goes to the hotel clerk in the Chinatown Hotel. She dials it up for two minutes. She's screaming.

I would also go for Cherry when he sees the Jack isn't dead.

He's going, Fuck it, man. Fuck it, man.

Ben, you have a flex.

All right, another list. Another 48 Hours Award for Best Black guy, White guy, Action Comedy Duo. Okay. We started at number 5, Running Scared. That's the guy I put it in there. I think this movie is criminally underrated. They're people don't talk about it.

We didn't know where you were. We didn't know where you were.

We didn't watch for us. Number 4, 48 Hours, Reggie and Jack. These are just duos.

I would have that one, but go.

You'd have that one. Yeah. There's only one one.

Okay.

Keep going. There's a clear one. Number 3, I I'm going to split this one in here. I don't know if I can actually use it. I'm going Vincent Jules from Pulp Fiction. You can use it. Okay. Counting it. Vincent Jules, Pulp Fiction. It's a great one. A little bit of a stretch.

No, not a stretch for me. Okay.

Number two, this is not an action, but this is a comedy. And this is one of the top white guy, black guy duos in a comedy movie ever. This is Wesley Snipes and Woody Harrelson, Sydney Dean and Billy and White Man Can't Jump. Okay. Yeah. This is number two. Number one is so fucking easy.

48 Hours?

No.

It's Murtah and Riggs, man.

It's Murtah and Riggs. It's fucking over 48 Hours. Why fucking Mel did you do it? I can't believe that he did it. A whole childhood with Mel and Mel, threw it away. Lethal Weapon, Riggs and Murtah, by far, maybe the best Black guy, White guy duo ever in anything.

But the movie gets made because of 48 Hours. What difference does it make? Who set the prototype? That's why you think Kobe's better than MJ?

I never said that.

I do think MJ is better than Dr. J. Kobe is doing an MJ impression. I do think MJ is better than Dr. J.

Where you think Kobe is better than MJ? Is that something you think he does?

No, he does. If you put three paps, blue ribbons in it, I'm thinking. I've never said that.

I do think MJ is better Dr. J, though. I think 48 Hours is Dr. J and Lethal Weapon is Michael Jordan.

That's fair. I'll accept the argument. I disagree, but it's fair.

You really don't think that Riggs and Murtaugh are number one?

If you're going to put it like that, I see it. If you're going to make the 48 Hours as Dr. J.

Did we do Lethal Weapon 2 yet for rewatchables?

Yes. We haven't done three.

There are a couple of horrible mentions. Django, Men in Black, a personal one for me that nobody cares about The Last Boy Scout.

We've done The Last Boy Scout. We care about The Last Boy Scout. I totally care about that.

I love The Last Boy Scout. Then we done The Last Boys. We care about The Last Boys. I totally care about that. I love The Last Boys. Then one that no one ever brings up is Money Talks. I really feel like in Money Talks, Chris Tucker and Charlie Sheen have fantastic chemistry. It was a really good movie to me. I like it.

It's a good list. So you wouldn't put Men in Black in there.

Men in Black didn't make out. I was trying to think of what to take out for Men in Black.

I wouldn't put Men in Black in there either.

Men in Black could maybe bump out Running Scared, but I just think Running Scared is like a- Were you a Richard Pryer, G Alder guy?

I was as a kid, but I don't think those movies have held up great. Silver Streaks is okay. I would have added Crock and Tubs to that, and then I would have been able to move into Colin Farrell and Jamie Fox, which arguably could have been number two.

If you're talking about overall duos, Crock and Tubs is way up there. This was a movie thing. But if you're talking about overall duos, Crock and Tubs, it's certainly the best on TV.

I'm a fiend for mojitos.

It's a good list.

Good list.

I appreciate you guys.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Support Hotest Take Award. He already did his. What do you got, Van?

No Hot Takes.

I have one.

What's it?

This is my number one, Release the Cut, movie. Yeah.

I see.

Release the Walter Cut.

This is it. What's your number one?

Release At least the movie, The Cut, movie The Cut that we've never seen. Well, it got released. The Snyder Cut? The Snyder Cut was my number one.

So you don't have a number one now?

No, I have a number one. I think of all of them, I've seen them, but the number one was I wanted to see what Zack would have done.

Make us a promise right now when you know where the finish line is for you? You're like, I think it's going to... I think I got a couple more years left. About 18 months out of- Where am I going? Just make me a promise. You don't understand. You use the platform you have to get the another 48 hours.

Why can't I do it now?

Well, I don't know. I don't know if you've got the juice.

Oh, hold on. Wait a second. Chris, what the fuck are we doing here?

No, I see what he's doing.

He's known me a long time. I'll tell you something, though. I know you've heard about this. We're in the midst of the APEX.

Of Bill?

Yeah. You ever heard about this?

Prove it then.

All I know is that APEX'd out.

Bill Simmons should be able to get the Walter Hill cut of another 48 hours.

The reAPEX bill.

The reAPEX bill can get this release.

Craig just told me about this.

Craig, you heard about the re-apex? Absolutely.

The last two broke the news to me about it. Now, Sourandos call Walter Hill and be like, name your price.

This is braided in his late 30s. That's what you're running right now.

This is it.

The last three- Which Bradley, like the 28-3, Bradley?

The Malcolm Butler game through the Falcons. Malcolm Butler, yeah.

Reapex. The reAPEX.

So the reAPEX would have to include a release the Cut. Eats the Cut.

You can get it done.

My number two would be Eyes of White Shit.

Oh, shit.

Because I think we have a lot of evidence that there might have been a different version of that movie before Kubrick died, and then God only knows what we ended up with. But I think that would be number two for me. What about anything else for you?

As far as director's cuts, I feel like more often than not now we get the cuts that we deserve.

It's funny. One of the ones I always wanted was 54 because I like that movie, and it was supposedly chopped to death like this movie. When was it 54? 54, the Ryan Filipe movie?

Mike Myers.

Mike Myers. Ryan Phelip.

I want to suck your cock. You remember that?

It's one of the funniest moments in a drama of all time.

This has been a weird episode of this pie.

You don't remember that? I want to Suck Your Cock. I do.

Mike Myers.

For some reason, I thought you were referring to the Roger Marris, Mickey Mantle movie? No.

That's '61. Mike Myers freaks out and he comes on to what's his face?

He comes on to Ryan sleep. He's counting the money.

He's counting the money. He's drunk. He's high.

It was a drama. We saw it in Boston, and the whole movie theater started laughing. It was one of those.

It's pretty hard for me to turn down a Studio 54 movie, though.

Well, that's why... So they do the director's cut, and you can get on Amazon, and there's 12 more minutes, and it supposedly ties together all this stuff. It's like a B minus. I almost wish I never saw the director's cut.

It's fine. The best director's cut I've ever seen is Kingdom of Heaven 1.

Oh, that changes the entire movie. That makes the movie... The movie was already fuck with it, but that makes the movie into a fucking timeless epic when you watch the director's cut of it. What a weird story, by the way. How could something like that happen to Ridley Scott?

I know. Well, I mean, it was, to be fair, like a three-hour and 10-minute movie.

Proof of Life would be a good director's cut. Release the cut, too. Well, we'd find out what happened with Russell Crowe and Mc Ryan.

Okay. Is there a scene about that?

You're not even with me anymore on Proof of Life. I am. I feel like Sean, it's like... No. It's like, I got to suck up to Sean.

You can't fucking say that. I was there with you on day one. Stuff of legends. You know that I'm here with you.

You wouldn't want two extra scenes?

Of course I would. Yeah. Were they shot, though? I can't even remember.

Why were those two- They were definitely shot. Those got cut.

Those two extra scenes would explain the infidelity The only thing that happened on set? Well, they-No.

That's why they cut him.

They cut... Okay, I don't know this.

He saves her husband in the movie, right? Does this whole thing. But he says goodbye to her when they're about to save David Morse, the guy that she's married to. They have this moment and they kiss, and it's clear other stuff has happened that they cut out. Then it's this whole love triangle, but we never saw the scene that led up to the love triangle. Yeah. Everything got All of a sudden, they have this tension. It's like, Where does this come from?

Because on the set, allegedly, there was this affair. They started fucking...

That's the most enduring thing about the movie is that...

No, David Caruso is the most enduring thing about the movie. The most enduring...

Stuff of Legends.

Dino.

Fucking, they changed the public's perception of Meg Ryan after that.

Every single week, I look at the Just Watch website to see if Kiss of Death is on a streamer yet. The answer is always no.

That's a crazy fucking movie.

Casting with Ifs. Don't really have any other than Frank McRay was in this, and they caught him. Best That Guy Award, I can give you. You think Brent Jennings is not a that guy?

I think Brent Jennings is a That guy. I think Brian James is not a that guy.

Brent Jennings, I have, or the guy who plays Ben Cruise.

Yeah.

I don't even know what that guy's name is. Yeah, he pops up a lot. Yeah, he's been in a bunch of stuff.

I'm going with Brent Jennings.

Okay. Brent Jennings helped me in my career.

Deion Waiters. Really?

One of my early successes at TMZ. Got Brent Jennings on the street. I asked him about a kid in Arkansas. I don't know if you guys remember this story, but he was scoring too many shutdowns, and they made him stop scoring shutdowns. They said, You can only score five shutdowns in a game, and then he had to drop. I asked Brent Jennings about it. He got excited. He knew all about the story.

Where did you find him?

He was walking around Beverly Hills. I was like, Hey, did you hear about this kid? They won't let him score anymore. Touchdowns or else. The team has to... It's called the Madre Hill Rule. Based on Madre Hill who had gone there at the Arkansas. It's this big scandal. He knew all about it. He was excited to talk about it. Harvey was like, That kid's got to be.

Then he shot him in the air. Deanne Waiter is the word. Bernie Casey is the winner.

Oh, I have somebody else. Who do you have? Kathy Haas for the Barstormer's Bartender. He's like, Are you going to tell me where I need to know, or are you just going to bitch a little bit more? He's like, I'm going to bitch a little bit more.

That's pretty good.

I have Bernie Casey, but that's not bad.

I can get you out there, Reggie. You You will keep your word. I love him in this.

He spoke like a Shakespearean. Repay your debt to me. Which thugs are- I would have watched the director's cut, five more scenes of them.

Recasting Couch, Director of City, No. No. No. No.

No. Walter Hill, San Francisco on Non-Negotiables.

Craig, flex category.

Book About Metals, Maladly best quote. I think there's some really good Eddie lines in this. I think he's very over-the-top angry, and then he balances that with some good restrained anger. There's a lot of talk about the wrongful conviction stuff I think is good. There's a line in it where he says, If shit was worth something, poor people would be born with no assholes.

I thought that was a great quote. There's also a really good line where he and Bernie Casey are getting into a fight. They're like, What was that about? He's like, Old football bet. That's a lot of good quote.

Any quote.

I like when he tells Jack to leave. He's like, We got to talk to Black people stuff. He has a lot of good... It's like I think really pretty good advanced stats for Eddie in this movie.

And Nolsi's pretty good in that. See where he's like, Oh, okay. Yeah.

Half-eastern research. Reggie calls one of his friends in the movie, and the guy's name is Willy Biggs. In the original 48 Hours, that's what Reggie Hammond's name was going to be. And Eddie asked them to change it to a different name because he thought it was too intentionally black. So they settled on Reggie Hammond. Brought back Willy Biggs. So apparently there's some book called The Films of Eddie Murphy, and they have the original screenplay for this. What? Jack's in a relationship with a female cop who later says she wants to plan a gun at the racetrack to clear his name. And then there's some other stuff, but you can find out what they had in the original screenplay. Do you have this book? I do not. Fuck. I was in the research. Apex Mountain, Eddie Noe, Nulti.

Getting close. Getting close to the Nulti.

Nulti re-apex.

Yeah, the re-apex.

Brian James?

Probably, but all the much to his chagrin.

I remember him.

I feel like I remember him. He was in a movie called Shaker. He was the star of the movie Shaker, which was a Wes Crayman movie, horror movie.

Frustrating action movie sequels. Is there a more frustrating but lovable movie than this that was an extra movie?

Frustrating but lovable? Yeah. I'd say Predator 2 is frustrating but lovable.

Oh, that's a good answer. But I'm in love with the fucking movie.

Yeah, but it's like Predator 2 is... I think we would have a great time doing Predator 2 as a rewatchable.

Is this a pitch?

Just saying. Danny Glover and Bill Paxton.

You guys, I know that these movies aren't critically acclaimed, but these movies aren't bad. That's like, that movie is fun as fuck. It's weird. It's all out there. I refuse to try to act like Predator 2 sucks. That's a good movie.

You're talking to a guy who did a two-hour podcast on Species. Who are you talking to? Walter Hill, no. What did we decide Walter Hill's Apex Mountain was?

Not the Warriors.

48 Hours or Warriors?

48 Hours. Probably is this Apex. Probably 48 Hours. Yeah.

Cruise or Hanks?

Apex Mountain for guys flying through windows after being shot by a handgun? It doesn't get any better than this.

It's a lot of them in this movie.

They take off 20 feet. You get shot twice and you're just flying across a bar and out of plate glass of windows.

It's like Shay Gildas' Alexander driving in the paint, flying backwards.

You're already starting the agenda.

Yeah. Cruiser, Hanks.

Hanks as Jack? Is that what we're talking?

Hanks as Reggie? Cruises, they don't work.

It doesn't work. It doesn't work. We have to pick, though.

You do.

Hanks as Reggie.

Are we Nulti or Eddie? Who are we picking?

No, it has to be the Nulti part. I'd say Hanks. It can't be.

Neither one of those guys can do that. It's got to be.

You have to pick?

Okay, what I'm saying- What about Hanks as Iceman?

No, it's got to be the lead.

Okay. What's the fucking thing?

You can't just Yeah. It was like a power play.

The whole point is who could be the lead of this movie?

There's only one other time I've seen you like this. Fantasy football. The podcast? No, the whole fantasy football debacle that happened this year where you caused a crash. When you made up the last place world.

No, I didn't cause the crash. You guys caused the crash. Hyfet sent a dissertation about a minor issue.

Sean stormed out of the text thread.

That fucking hysterical. He's like, whatever. Sean goes, Let me show you. Sean Fidesias left the chat.

It is one of his funniest movies when he leaves the chat.

That was hysterical.

All right, so we'll go with Hanks. Scorsese or Spielberg? Clearly Scorsese. Best hang, worst hang. Probably Cherry Gans for worst hang.

I feel like the Brent Jang's character is the most…

Decent hang.

Yeah, he's the most normal person in this movie.

Go to Vegas with him? Yeah.

Hey, man, that's Angel. That's the best Ang, baby.

Angel, best Ang. Angel is the best Ang. She's up in North Beach.

Well, She's up in North Beach.

I think if you're hanging out with Angel, you run the risk of running into Cherry. That could get complicated.

I think it's worth it.

You always run that risk, though.

Angel. Worst hang, Cherry Gantz.

Yeah, Cherry's too intense.

Hey, did you see the Philly's game? I got to kill him.

Fuck you.

Terrible tattoo on him.

Yeah. The teardrop?

Slopy teardrop. It's way too big. It's in front of his-Well, he wasn't doing it for clicks.

He was doing it because he put bodies away.

He's a body man, baby.

Yeah, it was no IG likes back then, man. He wouldn't have gotten any.

We've covered a lot of picking knits already. It's a lot of them. Reggie does shoot a guy in the knee at the bar after having just got out of jail, and it's fine.

Locked out. Nothing happened. Yeah. I saw him with a deadly weapon.

It feels like that would have been something.

One of the knits that I picked here is one of the top knits that I've ever picked in anything. There's a gunfight happening. I know that the Asian hotel clerk lady, I know she's a handful. I know she's a piece of work. There's a gunfight happening. She runs up to bitch nick Nolte out during the gunfight. People are getting one guy screaming, I'm going to kill you big. She runs. They're busting at each other going crazy. She's still, so you guys are making too much noise. She runs up there to bitch out nick Nolte while the gunfight is happening. It makes zero fucking sense.

Almost every revolver in this movie has 14 bullets.

That is weird. How many realistically... I will ask American sniper over here. How many can you realistically get off? Six. Is there an eight? Can you pull off eight with a gun?

What are you talking about? Are there guns where there's eight in the chamber?

At one point, Cherry Gantt shoots 13 shots in a row. Cherry's not shooting a revolver.

Cherry's got a clip. But Jack and Hiccup.

Or Cherry's Body, one of those guys. Jack has a revolver.

They reload a couple of times, but this was a trope in the '80s movies. They just did not care. Now, legitimately, you see John Wick walking through the thing, pop, pop, pop, He cycles the rep, he reloads it. But in the '80s, they just didn't give a fuck about that.

Maybe that was the most 1990 thing about this movie.

It's just never caring about reloading.

Brent Jennings shot to death in a police Elyce Morg getting IDed two seconds later? We lose all concept of time in this movie.

Isn't it the bike? The Malcolm Price.

Yeah, Price. So Malcolm Price, they ID him. All of a sudden, we lose 10 Hours. There's no cut. Nobody goes to sleep in this movie. Nobody eats.

One of the scenes that got cut out, apparently, is like Nulti getting to Malcolm Price's house, I think. Yeah.

He's just in the morgue.

Nulti is involved in what the investigators think is a bad shoot, and he goes to trial immediately. Normally, there's an administrative lead. One day later. There's a whole thing. There's a hashtag. It's that morning. There's all kinds of shit. That hashtag. But he goes...

#freejack.

#freejack. There's a whole thing. But he goes to trial immediately.

Two more picking nips for me. Jack is a virulent racist in the first movie. Yes. Then he said he quit drinking. Did he also quit being a racist? Why not mention that?

The two would be tied together is the implication, right?

Or did he learn his lesson by the end of 48 Hours when he apologizes to Reggie at Torchies? Yeah. Now, is it he was done with racism at that point or did it still seep out a couple of times?

I bet it was condition. I mean, it's a different time, but it's condition. It would have been interesting if they had done a movie in 1985, if he had still been a racist.

Bush presidency, maybe helped him.

He still turned his back on Reggie. Still left Reggie in the fucking slam, but didn't even come to visit him. It's true. That's what you guys do.

All right, my biggest pick in there. Cherry Gans? Yeah. What the fuck name is that?

Yeah, I don't know. The other guy's name is Albert.

Why is this guy's name like Hacksaw?

I imagine it's Brad Gans, and he just Cherries his nickname, but I don't know what that comes from.

What do you mean, Biker's nickname? Cherry. Cherry Gans should be dancing at North Beach with Angel. That's not a bad guy's name.

I guess the question is, if you saw him and you heard the name, would you step? Would you be like, Yo, that's a bitch name?

No, because he would just shoot me and I'm going to go backwards.

Which is why you're not going to do shit, which is why he could be Cherry.

His real name is Richard. Richard Gans. Dick Gans.

Named Cherry. Okay. Dickey Gans. Dickey Gans. Dick Gans.

Dick Gans.

Dick.

Dicky. Say it again. What did they say in 54?

What did he What did Mike Myers say? I already did it. You're trying to get me.

I'm not trying to get you.

They already got it. We captured lightning in a bottle. You don't have to make them do it again. It's already on Instagram, don't worry.

Yeah, fuck. God damn it.

Tragically, Bill Simmons' podcast were canceled by Netflix the next day.

Sequel, prequel, Prestige TV, all Black cast are untouchable. I would have done a third one.

Hold on. I got to say something. That would be a mistake by Netflix.

Yeah, he's re-apexing.

What Netflix should do is they should Hold on. What Netflix should do is they should cut that, and then they should put, Do you want to know what movie Bill Simmons is talking about? Sucking, cocky. Monday. Monday.

I would have done a third 48 Hours over a third Beverly Hills cop. What if- I think Nolte was hot, as Van described earlier from '90 to '93. Cop comes out in 94, the third one.

I just would have rather done 48 Hours. There's just an obvious, you got to put Nolte in the You put Jack in prison, and he gets brought out for 48 hours, and Reggie is the one helping him. You flip it.

Eddie's the big star.

I have something about that for unanswerable questions. But before we do that, is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist. By the way, CR, Kyle Brandt loved Fergie the Florist so much. Did it for just one of the guys. Fantastic. In your honor. Or somebody else. Who do you have, CR?

I got Tom Breedy analyzing Angel doing both of those guys.

Oh, shit.

Well, KB, first Hiccup had his way with the angel. Now you got a question, does she have enough in the tank for Cherry? You always run into that with Eskimo Brothers.

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Two talented lovers, K. B. Excited to see what happens next.

She's so impressed with her stamina, K. B. She's been dancing in North Beach all day.

Absolute talent.

Kb, with the cold weather, you have to change how you dance in the cage. Do use your tiptoes. Just one Oscar who gets it, The Stunts. The Stunts are great in this movie.

The Stunts are awesome.

I think it won the award for best stunt of 1998.

Honestly, we should make an Oscar for best motorcycle driving, and it should be in for this movie.

Probably unanswerable questions. Sometimes I'll do this in a movie where it's like, Angel, She's the Best. They did this in the Gold Club trial. Remember the Gold Club trial? They had the stripper in the Gold Club trial. They said it was the Michael Jordan of strippers. I just always wonder how the reputation first gets earned and then spreads.

You do wonder that?

Yeah, I do. You really have to stand out. So Angel just apparently... Chime in on that. I don't know if Vanna had any thoughts. What are you googling?

Something different. Just for strippers?

Angels, they're talking about it at a prison two hours away.

What are the measurables for strippers? What's the advance in the lyrics?

They're like, I heard about this girl, Angel.

But they're different disciplines, right? So if you're talking about a stage dancer, there's that. If you're talking about a lap dance, there's that. If they're talking about it, I mean, there's different disciplines, right? It's like they're five tools strippers.

They're talking a little extra. They're talking cage dancing.

They're talking a little bit extra, like what she does up there, but then how that translates to some extracurriculars after hours. But those guys are definitely talking about legitimately which strippers grind on you and get your shit off. That's probably what Patrick Ewing was into.

Here's what I would have done for this movie, Unhanceable. Tell me if this would have been better. 48 Hours 2, it starts Reggie owns Romans.

Romans, the Bookstore?

No, the bar in 48 Hours 1. Okay. The bar when he meets Olivia Brown as dancing with her and Jack comes in near the end. Yeah. He's like, Of course, you don't know about this place. It's popular with the brothers. He owns Romans. He bought it. He's now buddies with Jack. Jack gets framed for a murder by Gans' bike Biker Gang. Goes to jail. Reggie has to mortgage Romans for 72 hours to get him out to find the Biker Gang. We flip it. Jack's the one in jail. Reggie has money. Reggie's now helping him, but he's got something online because he mortgaged a bar. I think it's a better movie.

It's not bad.

100%.

I don't know that it's vampire and prison fan.

Maybe that should have been three. Yeah.

You want to keep the Western Brotherhood in the mix, though?

Yeah, I like the Biker Gang. Me, too. Yeah, they have to bring them back. What piece of memorabily would you like to have?

I have an unanswerable question.

What do you got?

Which is a better movie, Lawyer and Lace or Flesh Pot?

I saw that in the Chinatown Porn Theater. Oh, yeah.

Chinatown Porn Theater. Probably Flesh Pot. I mean, just think about it.

It depends on how much of a plot you are. You got to think.

What won the AVN that year?

Well, if you're into plot, then it's got to be Lawyer and Lace.

I'm saying it depends. It's really a taste thing.

But if it's usually going straight gonzo? It's flush pot. I would go flush pot if it's Flesh Pot. I will go for a spot. It's just gone. You know what I mean?

The piece of memorabil you'd want or not want from this movie, probably the motorcycle, Gans's Motorcycle.

Gans's Motorcycle was cool. I loved Reggie's car, man. I know we're not allowed to pick cars, but…

What about the Jack's? There's one brief moment where he's staring at that pen that has the naked woman on it that reveals herself when the ink goes down. That's right. That was fun.

If this is Reggie's Walkman, all that stuff.

The lighter would be good.

Yeah, the James Brown tape. I want the James Brown tape.

Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi Award, Best Worst Life Lesson. Craig already did it. If shit was worth something, poor people would be bored. No assholes. Best Double Feature Choice, 48 Hours? Sure.

I went tangle in cash.

Yeah, spiritually, it's probably more related.

Then who won the movie? Eddie Murphy.

Eddie won.

Craig, what do you got?

This is not a complicated rewatchable at all to me. To be honest, I enjoyed this more than the first one.

Wow.

I saw the first one because you guys did the original in 2017. Early. Really early. Pre-categories. I was not producing the show, so I just watched it on my own a few years ago. I thought it was okay. I thought it was slow. Not nearly as funny as it should have been. It's It's quite racist, obviously, but I didn't think it was that funny. I was like, I don't really get the appeal to this. It's not even that funny. It's quite racist, obviously. This one cuts out all that. To me, I thought it was funny. I thought it was really enjoyable. As Van outlined in his top five buddy cop thing, it's just something that works. If you get two charismatic people, it's 100 minutes. They're in a city, they're running around. It plays all the way up through the nice guys.

What do we fucking do? When's the last solid Black-Eye-White-Eye pair we've had?

Oh, shit.

I would do that guy. I'm starting to really like the guy who's on SNL now, Cam Patterson.

Cam Patterson, yeah.

Him as a cop with somebody I saw a little glimmer of that I think- Him as a cop.

We ain't putting him as a cop.

Somebody enterprising him.

But maybe he's the Reggie Hammond type role.

It could be Shane Gillis in somebody or something like that. Could be.

Okay. I think Cam is fucking hysterical.

Shane It gets Shane as a cop.

I got one. I got it. You put Cam with Timmy.

Tim Robinson?

No. Chalame. You put Cam with Timmy Chalame.

I'm telling you. Well, that means you could put... That Chalme is the answer to every movie question.

The point is in this one, you're going to It, you're going to make... Either you subvert it and you go like Timmy's straight up, the straight lace when the cam gets to go crazy, or you really fuck with the audience. You make Cam play it straight and you let Timmy go fucking wild. You put those guys together.

I think you've already over the thoughts.

The problem is, Nolty and Eddie Murphy were major stars.

This is why I was thinking because of the actors on Actors videos.

It would have to be Michael B. Jordan and Shane Gillis.

It would be Michael B. Jordan and Jesse Plemens. Michael B.

Jordan is just having fun for a month on set. He's like, Fuck it, I'll just do this.

See, if it's Michael B. Jordan.

But did you see Michael B. Jordan with Jesse Plemens in the Actors on Actors videos? I did.

But Michael B. Jordan is funny. He's never really unleashed that in a movie.

Jesse Plemens is funny in Day Night.

Yeah.

Stars need to be more comfortable making movies like this because it's fun.

Now, do you go generational here because a lot of these movies that we're talking about, besides the White Man Can't Jumps and stuff like that, there's an age gap, and that age gap builds into the comedy, too. If you're going to do MBJ, you can go a little older if you want it.

That's right. Well, MBJ, Robert Downey.

Do we have confirmation on him doing Miami Vice yet? No. Him and Austin Butler?

I don't know what happened. I really tried to wish that into existence, and I don't know what's going on.

I don't know if Austin Butler works for me for that.

For Crockett?

Yeah, I don't think so.

Who works?

I need him a little older. I don't know if he's old enough yet.

I need to know if Austin Butler is okay not taking himself seriously in a movie.

Well, Sunny Crocket's a-He doesn't really take Elvis Millie You think he takes himself seriously?

It's a very serious role that he really commits to. I want to see him loose and having fun.

Oh, yeah. He's pretty loose.

Crocket's a dour guy, though.

Crocket's not like- Craig was an actor.

Oh, I was. You didn't see my work? I haven't. Nationwide commercial? Yeah. 2016? Yeah. Druden Grinder.

Well, then why don't you fucking do it? It's you and MBJ.

I'm waiting. Waiting for the call.

Ringer Films. I got to think of who it would be. But they haven't done it in a while.

Michael B. Jordan would be great. He's a big star. Django, maybe. He's a big star.

Django, maybe. He's a big star. Now, more than ever, we just need people to be together.

Just make the same jokes. Make the jokes. Like, make them. I remember White Man Can't Jump. The whole thing is directly just to have the fun. We know.

It's never failed where the people don't like each other for the first 40% of the movie and have to learn to work together. Then by the end, they'll like each other. I'm going to like that every time. I don't really care who the two people are. I even like The Heat with Wilson McCarthy and Sandra Ball. Sure. I thought that was good.

It's a good movie. It's funny.

Opposites do attract. The heat's good. You like the heat? Yeah.

The Other Guys.

Fun. Works.

That's it for the rewatchables. Cr.

Another great one from you.

I thought we all elevated each other.

You never cease to surprise me, Bill.

Make a prediction. Who's going to win the national championship tonight?

Well, but this is running on Wednesday.

I know, but it'll be a nice little time capsule.

I actually really think Miami is going to win. I I don't know why. I just think it'll open up this whole door to how long should somebody stay in college football with Carson Beck, who's, I think, my age at this point.

Indiana's whole team. It's 25. Every single one of them, man. Extras in the first, girls.

Thanks, man. No problem. Thanks, Ciar.

Did you say extras in the first? In the season of Girls.

And Eduardo.

Thank you, Eduardo. Thanks, Eduardo. Zodiac is coming up next. You have a week to watch it. See you guys. Got to go watch that.