Transcript of Quentin Richardson & Darius Miles on Starting Their Careers Together & The Best NBA Celebrations

Even though Pat's not here, I have to give these fellows a very proper introduction. So here we go. They started off as winners, getting drafted by the Clippers. You put D and Q together and it's colder than a blizzard. Their show is the Knuckleheads, and every dude's been watching it. So it's a conspiracy if they're trying to keep Q anonymous. Plus, they stay miles ahead of the comp if you're really listening, Cultural Icons in the NBA, Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson. Welcome to the show, fellows.

I appreciate that.

Welcome to the Withrone segment of the Pat Bev pod Withrone. Like I just told you guys, Pat Bev sends his regards from overseas. He's not here with us today, but he's a huge fan of you guys, as am I, and we're really excited to have you, fellows, here.

I appreciate you, man. I appreciate Pat, man. That's our guy, man. We always root for his success, and we appreciate you all having us.

Of course. Yes, sir, man. That's Shai town. Shai town all day. That's the epitome of Chicago. So I love to see Pat out there doing this I love watching you all, too, what you all done created with the show and how you all vibing out. So much respect to you all, too.

Yes, sir.

Q, you're a Chicago Southsider. When did Pat Bed first come onto your radar? You're a notch older than him, a couple of years older than him. When did you first become aware of his unruly ways on the basketball court?

I heard of him when he was at Marshall. I was still tapped in, but I heard because he was averaging like 30 something. You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't like he was one of them ones at the crib. And if you tapped into it at all, you knew what was going on. And he was true to form what he is. I mean, he ended up at Arkansas, following me. I saw when he got there. And then obviously, when he made training camp with the heat and all that, then ended up going overseas. He did what he had to do.

He did what he had to do. We're obviously praying for his both success and his safety. But I want to tap in with you, fellows, for a little bit. So obviously, as a lifelong and NBA fan, the Clippers in the early 2000s were the hottest thing happening in the NBA. And just as a young fan, it had me so fired up to watch you guys get drafted together and this young team of teenagers blossoming together at the same time. So my question is for you, what team in the NBA right now do you see having a similar level of juice that you guys had because it was a massive, it was like a shift. I even just watched your guys, Minidoc, the clip set, and the top comment was that white Clippers Jersey in the early 2000s went triple platinum in the hood. They said everybody had it. I had your jersey. You know what I mean? I think I had the red one or whatever, but it went crazy. So what was it like, A, being part of that? And then, on the other hand, who do you see following in the footsteps as far as having the juice, having the culture in the palm of their hand right now in the NBA?

Being a part of that was a blessing. To be a part of a team with a bunch of young guys, a bunch of guys we play AAU ball with, to get drafted with Q, someone I've been knowing since I was 15 years old. It was just a blessing. It was an easier transition into the lead. We didn't have a crazy big veteran team, but shout out to Sean Rookes and Derek Strong. They was like our vets. They was one of the coolest vets ever. But just being a part of that I mean, we can all be ourselves for real, and we can all police each other, police our own, to have somebody like you with me to have conversations when I'm frustrated or somebody to calm me down, vice versa. Man, it was just a blessing to have him, Kean, Cory, and Lamar all on the team.

Yeah, I agree, man. The craziest part about that, Ron, is neither one of us, we didn't work out for the Clippers. I don't think Kean did either. I would have to check that, but I don't think any of us worked out for the Clippers, and we all ended up there. Draft night, Cory gets traded there. Lo was already there, and there you go. You got the youngest core in history at that point. Like he Like I said, that was a blessing for us to be put in that position and to get that opportunity, even though it was tough at first and it was tough throughout. But the team that I would look at now that's young and really got the culture and the pulse of the league, I still want to say, Memphis with what they did, they had, I guess you say, a gap year with the injuries and everything that went on last year with Ja being out. But I feel like, you know how it is, it's what have you done for me lately? And people forgot who and what Ja is in this league. And I'm excited for this season for him to make his reemergence.

And I think if he makes his reemergence, that Memphis team can get back to like, they had it. Everybody was doing the gritty and dancing around and loving what they was doing over there. And then they hit, they lost and everybody had some injuries and hit a little bump in the road. But I like Memphis. And then, obviously, OKC, they us to 2.0, I mean, 3.0 know, whatever you want to call, because they actually went in and were number one in the West and are a Championship type, fighting for it type team. So I look at those two teams. They got the juice with the youth and the youthfulness.

Yeah, I definitely agree with them two teams. He basically read my mind. I was definitely finna say both of them, but I agree with everything he said on them two teams having that youth and that juice that we had.

It's crazy, though, because even if you look at OKC Tee's core, the guys are like, 22, 23, 24. You guys were 18, 19, 20. Your brains weren't fully formed yet. You know what I mean? Where were you guys? First off, how are you holding each other accountable when You still are all so youthful and all are having a good time. And second of all, you're in Los Angeles. Where are you guys going to let off steam? Because you probably couldn't even get into a bar unless you knew a bouncer. It was a completely different scene, and you guys you were young enough where the world wasn't even fully accessible to you.

Where we hold each other accountable is we all had the energy and the youth to come in every day and practice or any other day to play hard. So if I came in slack and Cory, Q, and Lamar bust my ass in practice. You know what I'm saying? So it kept us on our toes, and it kept everybody in ready He's in his shape, ready to go. The other part of it, we hung out with each other. We was with each other everywhere we went on the road. We went out to eat with each other. We was like brothers. It's like my mom used to cook dinner for us. We all used to get together, eat. We just did everything together. That's how we bonded and did our thing, where we didn't really have to go to many places. We went to high school games. We went to different little places that we could chill at. But what kept us on our feet was how competitive we were towards each other. So we knew once we got in the game, it was easy to root for each other because we all put in the work and we know that everybody was ready to go at any given moment because everybody was hungry for the opportunity.

Yeah, I think that's what the accountability is. It was like we were so young, it wasn't a A whole lot of... I mean, me and D talked to each other a lot because early on, he played more, and I was like, You're hooping for both of us. I'd be like, Go crazy when you get out there. You know what I'm saying? But outside of that, it was really like he said, When you came to time to practice, it was a It was a dog fight. It was a dog fight for real. In the second unit, we won more than the starting unit because we were like that. And it was just like, that was the accountability. If you don't come in here, you ain't working hard, you about to get dog walked out here because everybody in here foaming at the mouth. This whole second team dying to get on the court. And if you about to give us an inch, we're going to take the whole mile. And then, like you said, hanging out off the court, bro, it was just we went to every college you could think of. We We didn't even know existed.

We was popping out and showing up to and just- House parties? Not really house parties. We'll be in the quad in the little area where it's like sometimes- Playing hacky-sack? No, we're not doing none of that. We We're just hanging. You know what I'm saying? We're conversating with the college folks, just holding conversations and things, getting to know different people. But then we got a chance to meet a couple of people that was able to get us that little access here and there. So we had our time when we got out, but the mouth stuck out like a short thumb. When we used to try and come by ourselves. As soon as they see him come, That's the high school boy, man, get out of here, get out of here. So once we met a couple of people, we started being able to move a little bit better.

Yeah. I mean, It was probably a blessing for you guys to have that community where you guys all came in together at the same time. It took the culture by storm. And you could tell right away because of the shoe situation that you You guys got put on the front page, and now you look at the guys who are getting different shoe deals, and you look at Jalen Brown, and he's going to do his own shoe deal. Then these guys are getting these Chinese companies throwing bags at to get a shoe deal. What did it mean for you guys to be plugged in right away? And then how is the landscape different right now as far as how everybody... There's more money available, but it's not always the big brands that you guys were plugged into.

Yeah, we were blessed. We're from Illinois, and Michael Jordan is everything to us. We grew up in that era when them Jordans came out and you walk in school with them Jordans on it, you just feel different, feel like you got to glow. And to go to the league and get the opportunity to represent Mike and where Jordans is a story that I couldn't even make up. I never would have thought in a million years. That was going to be my shoe deal. And to be a part of that, and that's part of our culture. You know what I'm saying? Jordan is a big thing in our culture. So it formed everything. Jordan was a big part of our culture being what it was or our team like it. They like, Man, we like the way you all play. They weren't the Jordans. They all wrapped into one. So just to get the blessing to be with Jordan and to see these guys now getting these shoe deals and getting this money, I think it's dope. I think it's dope what Jalen Brown is doing. He definitely got enough money to do it himself with his contract, but I think it's a blessing for them to do what they want to do.

Yeah, man. Like he said, we from Illinois. I'm from Chicago, homegrown to have to be in a situation where we came out, we were trying to figure out a shoe company, a shoe deal, what it was going to be for us. And to have Mike handpicked Pick us and tell us, You coming with me. I got you. Come on, though. I'm just a kid from the crib from Chicago. Have MJ put his arm around you, out the gate and tell you, Come on, I got you. Like D-Mile said, that's like, you can't even make that story up to For me, growing up in Chicago, in the '80s, in the '90s, when he doing everything to grow up and actually say, I know Michael Jordan. You know what I'm saying? That's mind-blowing. So it's definitely a blessing. But I think the situation in the landscape of the shoe deals and everything now is just an O to, you know what I'm saying, the stars that's come before him, from Magic to Dr. J, to Mike, to Kobe, to LeBron. They did did well enough and took this thing far enough internationally that now you got the Chinese brands and the different brands in this thing, and even the American brands realizing that it's so much money in it with these guys, that now everybody else has that.

So I think everybody who's gotten them deals and still getting them, and the bigger they're getting it, they got to remember who came before them and laid that foundation and made it possible.

While we're talking about Jordans, I saw an interesting debate online this week, and somebody was looking at all the different colorways and the different representations and how crazy Jordans are getting these days. And they're like, Man, you guys need to stop wearing pairs of Jordans that Mike never wore himself. These wild different colorways and these different color schemes. What's your guys' philosophy on that? Are you more just the classic Jordans, the ones that were worn on the court? Or is it anything goes, any of these crazy Travis Scott or like, wearing some crazy pink or camouflage colorways? What's your personal philosophy on it?

If Jordan brand made it, no matter what color it is, I feel it's okay to do it. I don't really care for the ones that Some guy in Oklahoma did made, and he didn't just put these brand new colors on the joy, and I don't really care for them. I feel being authentic is when Jordan brand put it out. So if Jordan brand put it out and they put that color wave out, I I rock it. I just really don't go out the box because when you go out the box, it looks like it's not real to me.

I'll start by saying, first of all, I think it's an opinionated conversation. I think everybody has their own opinion to it. If you're a classic person, you only want to wear the ones that you saw Mike wear more power to you, that don't mean that you got to diss the other ones or whatever. To me, it's like, if I like it, I like it. You know what I'm saying? Period. I'm going to wear it. It doesn't matter whether it's the classic ones, whether it's the Travis Scott. I think that's showing the evolution and why the brand is so strong and as big as it is and it's so present everywhere because they collabing with different type of people in different lanes and different type of influencers and doing different things. And I think they stand ahead of the game doing that. I think every person, something will come out with whatever. Your favorite brand could be whatever, and they'll put something out at some point where you're like, I probably won't wear that. That's just life. And if you don't like it, you don't wear it. But for me, if I like it, I'm going to wear it.

I don't care whether it's some, like you say, new Travis Scott. It's like they got pink shoes, or they got yellow, whatever. If I like it, I'm going to wear it. I feel like that's the evolution of the shoe game, and that's where it's gone with all of the different variations and colors and collabs and Jordan brand doing what they're supposed to do, staying right in the lane where they're supposed to be with it.

You see, we got Jordan brand candles.

Yeah, we got the candles on there. That is a candle. We got the candles in here. We got the ambiance side where we really- We keep the Jordan everywhere.

Here where we go. We got the Jordan stuff.

Is that whole thing made of wax?

Yeah, the whole thing made of wax. Wax candles.

You got ones, I got threes and twos over there, all that.

Well, you can't even burn that.

No, that's special.

That ain't getting Just for the Feng shui.

Feng shui is crazy. It's always been a part of the culture. But as have you guys. And there was no better indication for me that you guys were sown into the culture on multiple levels than When in 2002, I went to the video store, I popped in a DVD, I went and got Van Wilder. I popped in Van Wilder, and I see two dudes who I've been watching on my TV screen, on ESPN in on the NBA, on NBC. And these dudes are in Van Wilder, too. Break down how that came to be. Did you know that Ryan Reynolds was going to be a mega star at that time? How did you guys get to be the ones that were tapped into that situation. Just paint the picture for me because it was massive.

I think it was because we was in LA and we started to make a movement in LA, start to build a bigger fan base with the With the Clipper Nation. A lot of people, they've seen us out, see us at the mall and all that stuff. And a lot of people in LA and Hollywood took a liking to us. So we got different opportunities that our agent brought to us, which one of them was Van Wilder, one of them was Artists. I don't know if you remember that. It used to come on HBO.

The Agent Show, Arlist.

Yeah, Arlist. We had one-on-one with Flex and Kyra Pratt. I got the opportunity to do Perfect Score with Scarlett Johansson and Chris Evans. We just got opportunity from being in LA, and people took a liking for us, the way we played.

You got the hoop reference and the IMD TB, bro. You have both. We got our sad card, Ron.

You know what I'm saying? We union. We sanction now.

What's the royalties like? What are the royalties?

We be getting a little $2 checks in LA. You know what I'm saying? Be a little odds and ends.

Two dollar checks, they hit different, bro.

My slushies be right, man. That's the only little checks I get. It's to keep me up on my slushes.

But now, I think that's... When we was in LA, we for real felt like we were superstars, bro. We was like Hollywood stars. Once we got to go on them things, you got a trailer in a little... You know what I'm saying? You got a little situation. And then we was legit college age. So we fit that bill to be on a college scene because we were We were supposed to still be in college. So I think that went into it. And I also, I don't know, I always felt like while they always laughed and said, Oh, the clip was with a little bro. I felt like we got a lot of stuff to feel to the side from the clip from the Lakers because Shaq was Shaq, Kobe was Kobe. A lot of them guys were older, super vets. A lot of them were married with families and different things. They had a whole different life going on that we didn't have to deal with. So We were more available and more able to do some of that stuff. So I truly believe we used to get a lot of kick down from stuff that they either didn't want to do or wouldn't do.

Yeah. To get the opportunity to go on Paramount.

Yeah, the The studio and a lot.

That's crazy. Stuff like that. It was dope. And I just feel like the town just took a liking to us. We was more accessible. You can see us more. We'll be at different places. When We used to do our community work with the Clippers. We used to be all in the hoods and just all over LA. So they've seen us more. And with the Lakers, you've rarely even seen them. So I think everybody just really took a like to us and gave us a lot of opportunities that we just took advantage of.

Yeah, it seemed like a crazy time, and there's been so many evolutions of the Clippers. You see the current iteration, then you go back to Lob City, but it It was really you guys that started this completely different wave of the Clippers, making it cool and just changing how they're perceived within LA. You felt that, I assume?

Yeah, we felt it because, man, we're historians. We watch everything the NBA put out, and we never used to see people wear Clippers jerseys. We never used to see Clippers jerseys or nobody representing the Clippers. No Where? Whether it was the All-Star Game, whether it was a dunk contest, whether it was anything. And once we got there, Cory was in a dunk contest, our jerseys on all the videos, our jerseys, and just being in the stores. You didn't walk in the store and see a clip of jerseys for sale. Just start seeing a clip of jerseys there where you see the shift and you see the tide change.

Yeah, I think with us in our community, once we knew that That the hood was feeling it, it's lit. We was like a chipset of the NBA. You know what I'm saying? We were for real like the clipset. That's why we used to say clipset. We felt like we was like that But then when you see, when you turn on BT and you start seeing that Odom in that Miles' jersey pop up, that's when you know it's lit. You know what I'm saying? Now the community, now you got the artists in the industry. They feeling this. They feeling us. And so that just grew the brand or whatever. And you don't know it right when it's happening, how big it's actually getting. But looking back in hindsight, that's definitely where it took off at when everybody started wearing it in the rap videos and stuff like that. That took it to another level.

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Dee, when you came into the league, you were one of the first people to be viewed as what we now know as a unicorn, someone who who has excellent size, but also a very unique skillset. Maybe we saw KG with that a little bit, but now it's such a more prevalent thing where guys are 6'9, 6'10, 6'11, and have the full complete skillset of maybe a guard. Guys like, obviously, KD, but guys like Porzingis and guys like- Wemby. Wemby is the obvious one. Wemby is Kuminga. Kuminga, yeah. How was the player development different then compared to the player development now as far as how they treated big men who had a little bit more of a guard skillset?

It was unique back then because the game was played inside out. A lot of guys had seven foot centers and a 6'9, 6'10 power forward that really was big time on the and post players. And now you see guys who just have all skills, guys that are 6'10, seven foot shooting threes that can dribble, that can go to mid post, all that stuff. Back when we came in, you really didn't see that. So it was more a unique way. When I was in high school, I played center for my high school team. I played point guard and two guard for my AU team. So I knew I had to just move around. And shout out to Alvin Gentry for bringing my skillset out and letting me be me to do the things that I would do. But to see it now, it's just amazing to see it now. I'll probably be playing center or power forward if I was playing right now.

Yeah. And plus one of the big difference, too, Ron, is when we was coming up, we really just hooped. It was so much less of this individual training that you see. It's like now, when you get to, mostly before Before high school, but by the time you get to high school, everybody's got a trainer and everybody trains and does this. We played. We just, yeah, we worked on things while we were playing, but I really didn't start getting individual training and working out until senior year, going into college and started going to Tim Grover. But now it's like, seventh, sixth, seventh grade. Everybody's got a trainer and everybody's training. I think that's why you see a lot of more skilled players with the ball handling and being able to do a lot. But I think that's a huge difference in generations. They don't hoop as far as much as we used to, but they still get it in crazy on the skill work.

There's definitely a free-flowing joy to the game, even having Lamar on the team, too. That's another guy who's in this unicorn skillset or whatever. And there was even the one highlight where I think Lamar caught an outlet at the free throw line, and in one motion, flipped it behind, and you hit the windmill or whatever. And it was just like, this is almost like a peak into the future of what basketball can be. How much do you remember that play, specifically? And how regular and frequent was that for you at the time?

I remember it all the time. They sent it to my social media, probably every other day. They're sending it or people comment on it. And it was a great play. It's funny, though, because I see some of them games, and So these days, they be getting on you if you dunk or if you score the ball, if you already beating the team. But we were so hungry, and we didn't even care that. If you look at them scores, we should have hold the ball if we was in this era, but we wasn't holding the ball. We were scoring until we couldn't score no more. Yeah, that was just an amazing play, amazing thing to be a part of. And I really feel like we were the future. Just see these kids now doing anything, even with the celebrations. Nobody was celebrating when we got in the league. It was look down the ball.

No, they didn't like that. They didn't like when we started doing what we was doing. Coaches would tell their players, No, don't let them do that.

Yeah. So to see them see guys now have their signature celebrations and just being free doing all the stuff that they doing is... Man, I'm just glad that some people give us the props to say we was part of that or we influence a little bit of that.

Yeah, I think the influence even continued, Q, when you were on the Suns, you're part of this seven seconds or less movement that they had. And you could even see it in your stat sheets, the three-point attempts per game skyrocketed Rockets up to eight three-point attempts per game. And then you look at that first playoff game against the Grizzlies, you hit nine threes. It's like the pace at which you guys were playing was almost another through the looking glass into the future moment. Do you see a lot of the teams that play with a really high pace, like how the Pacers played this past season, just at a really high pace as being an extension of what was going on in Phoenix at the time?

A hundred %. I feel like everything... I feel like the whole league basically has taken that blueprint. The interesting part about that, if you could time travel back to that time, it It was all talked down upon. You can't win like this. When we blew through the whole regular season. The whole talk was, you can't win the playoffs like this. You can't sustainably win. You can't win championships this way. You can't do this. That's why when Golden State broke through and won and turned the league around to this. It was like that was for Mike D'Antoni, a redemption factor because he was maligned a long time for the way that he had put that thing together and started to play that way. It was a lot of picking apart and talking bad and talking down about it. But then, like you said, when you fast forward, everybody's doing it. And if they didn't get it directly from the Suns, then they got it from the Warriors who got it from... You know what I'm saying? Steve Kerr has given Dantoni that credit for the way that he played and the way that he adapted his own version of it.

But those Suns teams and Coach Dantoni's influence, it's all over all of that. You got to give them that, whatever you you think about him, and people didn't think he coached defense and this and that. You have to give him credit for the current state of what's going on in the lead because he impacted it.

And it's almost like a cheat code, not a cheat code, but it's a way for young teams to give themselves a fighting chance. When you look at the teams that played with the best pace last year, obviously the Pacers were up there, but also you saw the Spurs up there. Also, you saw the Wizards up there where it's like, okay, we might not have three All-stars on our team, but we're going to play fast, and we're going to try and have as much pace as possible. At the same time, the fourth team that was up there was the Lakers, and they're not exactly a young team. But D, you're in Cleveland when LeBron lands in the NBA. What types of things did you see back then that you still see when you watch LeBron play, when you watch him, how he carries himself as a business person as a fixture in the league?

Right through the gate, I noticed his maturity and how hard he worked. Every time I walked in the gym, whether it's the weight room or it's the gym, he was already in the gym with a sweat. And I wanted him to be that young, how mature he was, that was crazy to me. I felt he was more mature than me, and I was three years in. I was still not being the ultimate professional. It took me a couple of more years to to really realize a professional, and that's probably because I had an easy where being with QNEM and being with everybody else, I can just follow the lead. But once I got on my own and went to another team, I realized I wasn't as mature as I thought I was. And to see him come straight to the league and be mature, that was a surprising to me.

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Yeah, you guys, you were young at the time, too, but it all happened at once. And as we've been talking about the entire time, the culture shifted. And I think that there's nothing more emblematic than that, then it's the name of your podcast. I mean, the Knuckleheads. The Knuckleheads was insane. Before we get into it, because we're about to do our New Amsterdam Starting Five of the five best current celebrations physically that people do in the NBA. So I want you guys to think on that. But as you're thinking of that, let me know where the knuckleheads came from and why you think it took off to such a level where there's white kids in Indiana in in fourth grade who are hitting it after hitting a three-pointer, you know what I mean? Or making a layup, hitting the knuckleheads.

Go ahead, Keel.

The best part about that is that that was us showing love to some high school kids, to Westchester High School. Like Dede mentioned earlier, we would be going to high school games and seeing the top players and the top teams play against each other. And we developed a relationship with Westchester High School and their team, Hassan Adams, Bottoms, Big Red, Trevor Ariza, Bobby Brown. It was a lot of guys playing on that team. So we would go to their games, and this was actually their celebration. They would be doing it in the game. They call it knuckling up. That was their thing. And so we went to a couple of their practices and different things. And so at some point, they like, You all should do it in the game. You all should do the celebration in the game. So we actually went and we did it in the game. And I guess we didn't have a plan for it. We were just going to do it that game. But the fans, literally, the fans was like, The next game. They were still like, Yo, yo. So they doing it, and then we kept doing it.

Then the reporter asked D Miles, What does it mean D Miles? I tell them, I can't tell you. You have to kill you if I tell you. It's a secret. So I truly think me and D have talked about this. Looking back on it, I don't know that if D Miles in that moment would just say, Oh, yeah, that's just the high school kid. So I don't even know if it would have been a big deal like that. I think the- The mystique. The mystique of it, because even the truth of the phone, we here on you and Pat show, when we interview Pat Biff in the Clipper's facility, we always at the end of it. At some point, we had a guest take a picture of us doing this. Pat Biv, through one of the rumors that he heard, he thinking there was some neighborhood stuff. He like, No, I can't do that. I say, Pat, I say it's not that, bro. He like, Hey, no, they said it. I say, Bro, Are you talking to me right now? It's not that. It never was that. So it was like the mystique just left it open to whoever to make whatever they thought it was.

And it was running wild. It was a lot of different things that people I was just saying, we would just sit there and laugh. And I'm like, you all not even in the same planet of where it actually is. And like I said, it was Trevor Rieser and that Westchester high school team. It was their celebration in the sea. And I mean, that's how you know it was real and it was organic because after it got as big as it got, any time, they could have been like, Man, that was our stuff. But they know that we was repping them. It's not like we came and we saw it and we were like, Let's just take. No, they literally asked us to do it.

They made it a hot line. You made it a hot song.

After they asked us, too.

So you know what I'm saying? That's the love part about it. That's why it's always love with them and them guys. And they always are part of everything we do with the knuckleheads, no matter what, because that's where it originated from, from them kids.

And I think it really took off because nobody in the NBA was celebrating. Nobody was celebrating. You look down upon people celebrating in the NBA. And I think it took off from that. We was being rebellious.

You got to remember, Ron, think about it. God bless the dead and salute the Ken Bay Retumbu who just passed. You know what I'm saying? You got to remember, he was getting technicals for wagging the finger. That was not... Nothing was okay to celebrate. He would get a technical for wagging the finger after a dope block, bro. At that point in time, it wasn't about... They felt like that was hot dogging and showing the game up. That wasn't about getting the fans excited and getting... Now you see, they put all the highlights and celebrations on commercials because they know the fans get hype by it, and it's what makes the game fun. But at that point in time, it hadn't taken that complete turn to that yet.

Matumbo definitely launched it. He was doing it, and people's faces. He was reckless with it, dude. He was a legend with it. Yes.

He didn't give a fuck.

Rip to a legend, man. Great to keep his memory alive. And so he would have definitely made our new Amsterdam starting five. But let's keep it to more in the last, whether it's guys who are current now or just a notch before that, who are your guys' top five physical celebrations that people would hit in the league? And we can throw some honorable mentions in there afterwards.

I like Dame Time.

Paddle to the watch, Dame time is cold.

I like LeBron. I like the Crown, LeBron. I like the... And I like the pop the tits and the pump- The push-down, the push-down, the quiet-down.

So LeBron is a couple.

Who else?

I'll throw some at you if you want to hear something.

I like James Harden, stir the pot up.

The stir of the pot is cold.

Trey Young, the Chilly, the ice cold.

The ice tray.

Yeah, that's definitely got to be up there.

How about Steph with this?

New wheat, new wheat. You already know. Yeah, stuff put that in there.

Yeah, got to have that.

That's a cold one. What about when Embiid hits everybody with the sucket? Is that out of pocket?

The D-Generation X.

The D-Generation X.

That's a little extensive. That's hilarious.

He's doing it in the Olympics, bro. That's hilarious. That speaks the- The Miles Bridges.

I like the Miles Bridges joint. The little, yeah, yeah.

Some people McCale Bridges. Mccale Bridges.

Yeah, my bad. Mccale Bridges. Yeah, I like that. Brunson got the way he do the little, the little something like that. Brunson, Jalen Brunson do something.

I like the mellow three to the head. That's a classic for sure. A lot of guys like that.

Yeah, Karon Butler had the whole call my phone. I like that one when he used to hit the three, the long distance call.

Dilo with the Ice in the Vains.

Ice in the veins, yeah. I like the Ice in the Vains. That's dope, too.

That was called. And then Russ with the Rock. That's another one that's- Rock That Baby.

Rock The Baby, for sure.

Rock The Baby, yeah.

I don't know if we could give it to Pat Biv, but he has definitely been using it over the last couple of years. I don't know if it's only his, but he'll put such a little stank on it, a little bit of sass on it. You know what I mean? Hand on the hip and hit you with the too little.

I'm saying I'm doing that to LeBron. I like when Russ do the Euro, Selly, too, afterwards.

After they do the Euro, and then they run it back and do the Euro again.

Yeah, extremely. I mean, all of those extremely cold. And I think that people really have to give the flowers to you guys for opening up the floodgates of people being able to enjoy the game of basketball. None of this is disrespectful. None of this is wagging. I mean, it's not in anybody else's face. When people call it the no fun league for the NFL, it might have been the no balls association for a little bit with the NBA. I think right now people have the ability to be able to celebrate. And I think that's really a testament to what both you guys And culturally, you guys as a squad, as young guys, really infuse into the game. So as a fan of basketball, I'm super grateful. The Knuckleheads pod, please go check. You guys are not only talking... You're talking to young guys who are about to get drafted, young guys in the league. The Brandon Miller is one of my faves. You just talked to some of the guys in this most current draft. You're talking to guys who are in the league right now. You had Dame on the show. And then you also Also, if you go into the archives, you have the Iversons that you've talked to.

I just relistened to the Kobe interview. You guys have been so sown into the culture, and I think that that's begotten by the respect that you guys have earned through not only your playing career, but who you guys are and what you guys have added to the game and everything surrounding it. So salute to both of you. Thank you for your time. I appreciate you, man. Keep doing it, bro.

Yeah, man. Major gratitude. Appreciate everybody for the support. Appreciate you all for having us on. And like we say, appreciate the fans for rocking with us, man, because you know you got a whole show and a business thing you're doing. So you know ain't none of this possible without the listeners and the people tapping in with us. So always gratitude to the fans out there, Rock 'n' Rolls.

Till Pat, next time, we got to see him.

We got to do it in person next time for sure.

Straight up. We definitely do it. For sure.

A hundred %. Go subscribe to the Knuckleheads and salute from the Pat Bed pod with Ron. Appreciate you guys.

All right, bro. Appreciate you, Ron. Okay, guys.

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So currently, right now, we're in Belgrade, Serbia. We played a Turkish team, Besta Tash, and Since it's smoke between... I don't know if it's current smoke between Turkey and Israel, but we have to meet at a mutual site. So that's why we met in Belgrade, Serbia. And we just played them the night, and we put Belt to us. Belt to us. There's a lot of Americans on there. A lot of chirping during the game. It's different when you play it. You scout for an NBA player, and it's different when you play him. You can feel a difference of why, okay, I could see why this motherfucker was in the NBA. You could feel it. So end of the game with a light double-double. Really didn't do too much. I think I only shot like six shots. End of the game with 16 and 11, plus 32 efficiency. Bik Mott, who also spent time in the NBA. I think he had 24 and 6. His efficiency was plus 34, 35. Captain, he played well, 15 points. Marcus Foster played well, 15 points. Complete team winner day. In my weird little way, I'm finding ways to challenge my teammates.

With good teams, they respond. I told Bar like, Man, you need to shoot the ball more. You need to be aggressive. I told him like, Fuck it, you ain't going to shoot it. I'll just shoot that motherfucker over two people since you scared to shoot. He looked at me, come out, scored 15 points. One of his best games that he played today. I feel like he was the MVP of the game today. But I feel like we got something special here, especially when both our captains, they went there the first game. So when both our captains been playing the last two games, I think the game has been easier. Marcus Fark Marcus Foster got it going today. I mean, it was a complete team win today. It was cool. Caught a vibe, talked a lot of shit. And it's good because you can talk shit to other Americans. We see them on film. Obviously, they see us on film, and they talk about our budget and the money we got. So everybody we played it, we're going to get their best shot. But even with that, best shot or not, we came in and did what we were supposed to do, dominate.

It's a different team this year. A different swag, right? It's a different in team this year. You could feel it. You could feel it. They see me. They see me with my trainer. I'm getting bodywork. So you could see who this motherfucker think he is type vibes. And then you can also see like, Yeah, I'm the motherfucker. Yeah, I'm here for it all, too. I don't get it twisted. So good competition. So after the last game, as we recorded, and shit got crazy views. Shit did almost 2 million on Twitter. Shout out to X. Either I must. After the last game, we basically was given a choice to either stay in Sofia, Bulgaria, or go to Tel Aviv. And my choice was to go back with my Israeli team, things. And people asked me, especially Rome. Shout out to Rome. Fuck is you going back there for? And at the time, I didn't know the correct answer, how to answer it because there was so much going on. Obviously, good win, first EuroCup win, missiles being launched, all that shit. So I really didn't know how to answer it at the time. But the truth is, You can't say you're a teammate and don't ride with your team.

I made a choice to come here. I made a choice to play here. So regardless of what goes down, I'm going to ride with my teammates, just like I'm going to do with anyone else. Nba, you're my teammates, you're my teammates. I'm going to ride with you. So riding with you means taking a charge or picking you up off the ground, but riding with you also means, let's hop on this fight together. Straight up. I'm going to be here with you. And I think me doing that showed everybody like, okay, he's not here just for money, or he's not here just for whatever. He really cared. And I think that was my whole thing. No, I'm not about to leave my time. How the fuck I'm supposed to be the man on the team and I ain't traveling with my teammates. That ain't right. So So I like to look at myself as a loyal individual, and especially the ultimate teammate. So I felt it was necessary to rattle my teammates. I'm here for freedom of playing a basketball game that I love so much. I played in the NBA a long-ass time, and I'm, man, I wouldn't even be in this position if it wasn't for the NBA.

But at the same time, I work my ass off on my game, and I feel like I have a lot to offer. And I feel like in certain times, I don't know, a guy gets hurt. Okay, you You got to get Pat Bia off the ball now and let him play. In our situation, Milwaukee, two guys go down, Yannis and Dame. Okay, cool. We do need another ball handling. Then you see a glimpse of it like, damn, Pat Bia hooping. Or you see Joel and you see go out and you see Tyrese Maxi go out and Pat Bia versus the Denver Nuggets in Denver or Boston Celtics in Boston. And you'd be surprised like, damn, Pat Bia had a double W, he had this, he had that. I just want to play basketball and be free-to-play basketball. And I felt like my decision of having freedom, having a ball, able to make mistakes, getting the ball at the end of the game, the only place that presented that opportunity It was Hoppwell Tel Aviv, the war. So it's very interesting because I'm trying I find out. My whole thing is to be very cautious of what's going on both sides.

My I don't want to be out here like, Oh, it's war, and I'm at the beach, and I'm eating this, and I'm eating that. No, that's not the vibe. But also, it's somewhat the truth. The war, where I am, where my teammates are, we don't feel it. I haven't been in a safe room, knock on wood. I haven't been in a safe room since I've been to Tel Aviv. But obviously, you see on the news, there's a lot of shit going on. There's a lot of shit going on north, and north is far away from where I am. I talk to Cap, I talk to Bar, and I'm like, I'm trying to figure out a way to show people my perspective without being disrespectful to anybody else, any other religions, any other cultures, any other countries around, because I have a fan base. Everybody show love, so I don't want to disrespect anybody. So I talk to him, and he's like, Just tell him the truth, right? And the truth is, I I haven't felt any war since I've been in Tel Aviv. I hear about it. I see it. I hear about the missiles.

I see the missiles on TV, on the Internet, but I haven't seen one missile. I haven't seen anything in the sky. I haven't been in a safe room like, oh, shit, some shit about to go down. You know what I'm saying? I haven't experienced any of that. So my perspective and what the media shows and what reality is, is very different. Not saying it's not true, not saying it's not happening, but from my perspective, everything has been super, super, super, duper sick. So before, I had Me, Pabelle Pa, all types of fans, right? From different cultures, from different religions, especially me on the basketball court. I stood for something that was bigger than basketball. And I want people to understand this opportunity came because I wanted to have freedom in basketball. Not that I chose money or chose a side or chose a specific culture. No, I just wanted to play basketball table. I just wanted to hoop. I wanted to ball. I wanted to make mistakes. I wanted to play pick and roll. I wanted to shoot a lot of shots. I mean, how small that might sound to the average person, but I wanted that.

And The part of me, the Pat Bill part of me, is like, I shouldn't have to explain that shit to nobody while I made any decision. Or it shouldn't be based on The decision was made of religion, and I chose the Israelis over the this, and that's not the case. I just wanted to play basketball. I wanted to play basketball. And I felt like in a lot of places that I was given a specific role. He hit the main guy, run to the corner. I didn't want to do that. I wanted to hoop. I'm a hoop, I wanted to hoop. But also me making this move, a lot of people felt like it was disrespectful to their cultures, and that's not the case at all. I just wanted to hoop. So I hope you all hear me clearly in that point. But at the same time, I do see what's going on. But my My job is to be a basketball player and to inspire. And I felt like since I've been here, that's what I've been doing. So me going back to Israel out. I'm in Israel. I'm in Sophia. I'm gathering my shit.

I get on the bus. I get on the bus. My Israeli teammates, everybody on the bus, man, started clapping. And I'm looking like, what the fuck? No, Pat, that's real. That's real, you're coming back. And I'm just thinking like, no, I got to come back. What you mean? You all my teammates, I got to come back. This is vice versa. What if you all was in Chicago with me and you all played for the Bulls and you all looking like, Hey, Pat, man, what the fuck is going on? Did you all go leave and go back to your countries. You all go stay and continue to play for the Bulls. You feel me? And I spoke about this last part. I don't want to keep putting on Chicago, but that's the only thing I know, so I can only go from Chicago. But there's war everywhere. You know what I'm saying? It's war everywhere. I done been in bad places with Ron, and Ron felt real safe. Why? Because he was with me. You know what I'm saying? I like to look at myself as a decent guy. So now I ain't going to leave my teammates out like that, and I ain't going to leave anybody else out like that.

I think that summarizes my decision while I went to Tel Aviv. So we've been in Serbia. They love me. Sorry. We're recording currently at the Saint 10 Hotel. They've been great. Them hosting us, they've made the state absolutely perfect. Each visit I'm familiar with the Serbian culture. I've had, obviously, Meal's Ted Dosage is one of my really good friends, but I played with a ton of Serbians throughout my career. So the vibe is good. It's old, but it's new. It's brick everything, but it's fresh. It's a vibe to it. It'll be cold as shit one day, it'll be hot as It'll be great one day. But the culture is a welcoming culture. Some people, unless you get certain taxi drivers. But for the most part, the Serbian culture is welcoming. And it's been number love since I've been here.