Transcript of G Herbo on Having the Same High School Coach as Pat Bev, Dirty Air Forces, and Growing Up in Chicago

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We are here with a very special guest, and with any special guest, it's only right that we introduce him right. So let's get into it. He's a G that's worth Ms. If I could keep it a stack. I'm not talking Nordstrom's, but he's fresh from the rack. He stays dripping in gold chains. His flow is like cocaine. It's funny, they call him Swerp, Herb, but he stays in his own lane since he came in the game. His career has been on Turbo. Check out his new album, Big Swerf. Welcome, G Herbo.

That's hard, man. I'll fuck with that, bro. We had to, bro.

We had to. It's only right, bro. Pat is, man, he was so pissed that he couldn't be here.

Obviously, he's overseas in Israel right now, but he said that you guys are close with one another. No, for sure, man. Me and Pav definitely locked in, bro. We really got a lot of similar history and shit. Pat got a legendary documentary in Chicago called Hoop Dreams. Hoop Dreams. Yeah, of course you know. But Coach Brian, his coach at the time, that was my high school basketball coach, too.

See, I have the question. I got I was asking questions from Pat. He was like, bro, ask him about Coach Bryant. You guys have the same high school basketball coach?

Yes, Coach Bryant is a maniac, man, but he a real good dude, man. Real good, great coach. He was like, You know you had those pivotal people in your life that you will never forget. You feel what I'm saying? I still talk to his son all the time. I used to call his son my pops in high school because I played like JV and shit. His son was the JV coach, and it's just locked in with me. He used to always drop me off at home. Coach Brian will pick us up, make sure we was good. Coach Bryant literally is like a nut case. I know that's definitely probably one of Pat's favorite coaches in his For real.

Because Pat's a nutcase. For sure. Wait, so how is Coach Brian a nutcase? What- He's unapologetically himself.

He is fucking crazy. I got some of the craziest stories, literally, of Coach Brian. One story, let me see. My homie Josh, right? My homie little Josh, he was on the team, and his girl was maybe three, four inches taller than him. We used to always this class and shit, just hanging hallway. He said, Josh, I'll catch you in the hallway again. I'm going to beat your ass right in front of that 6-7 bitch.

That's fucking insane to say to a high school student.

Bro, he used to say the most off-the-wall shit in the world, bro. For real. Oh, my God. Gang coaching and shit was going crazy with high school. He said, Look, man, I'm going to tell you this right now. I don't give a fuck of you. A mole, a foe, or a hole under this roof, man, we Thunderbird.

It's Uniting the Clans.

That was my dog, bro.

That's legendary. Well, yeah, that was Pat's first question, and he had a couple more for you. So I want to get to his questions first. So he said that He was talking about the situation in Israel, how Israel is getting bombed right now. We talked to him recently, and he's like, Man, I come from a war zone. He's like, Chicago is literally a war zone on a similar level as far as the casualties and everything like that. And he wanted to see if you corroborate that story, if you have the same experience. But is there any truth to the fact that Chicago is a war zone in the way that Pat Bev is saying?

No, absolutely, man. When you come from a background like me and Pat come from, for real, you really build Ford tough, man. The adversities and shit that we got to tackle now on a day to day, after we actually made something of ourselves and gained some success, That shit like a walk in a park, bro, to be honest. To chime in on what he saying, I seen my first murder when I was nine years old, bro. Like, literally point blank, close range, blew a nigga brains out. And it's like, that shit has happened so frequent. By the time I was 15, I had already witnessed 10 of my friends being killed. Some people don't even witness that in a lifetime. Even if they go, it's people who went to the army who ain't even seen that many people die, For real. You know what I'm saying? And I think what Pat was meaning to say is, of course, it's a sensitive subject, what's going on over there. You know what I'm saying? But I think what he means is he's accustomed to it and probably just being somebody like himself and having so much influence and having a platform like he got, really him speaking on it, bring light to it, because a lot of times people ignore it the same way they ignore it, how much violence we had to endure growing up.

You feel what I'm saying? That shit became normal to us. You feel me? It's so destigmatized in Chicago, whereas you see somebody died, then the next day, you go to school, nothing else happened, and you You don't get the help that you need. You don't ever talk to nobody. So now you're just holding all this trauma, holding it in, holding it in, holding it in. And people wonder why you behave or why you act or react a certain a way where it's like, why are you so numb? Why certain shit just never bother you? You feel me? I didn't have conversations with my girl and shit like that, where it's like, she would act like I'm so nonchalant or act like I don't really I care about a lot of shit. And it's like, certain shit that I feel like that you can't change or certain shit that I feel like you could, for lack of a better term, I'm trying to really point my finger right on the point I'm trying to make. It's certain shit that happened in your life where it's this little shit. Why would I be upset about somebody saying something about me or somebody opinin me or some shit on Instagram or some shit that's not really affecting my life or some shit that you could ignore or some shit that you can and can't change in a sense when I done been through so much shit that really bothered me.

I really didn't lose sleep behind people who I love being killed. I really didn't lose sleep behind me not knowing if I die when I walk out the house and go to school tomorrow. You feel what I'm saying? So a lot of shit just do not faz me. And I know that's why Patty is the way he is. You feel what I'm saying? A lot of people, even the way he carry himself as a professional basketball player. You feel what I'm saying? He got that swag where it's just like, It can't nothing stop me. You feel what I'm saying? No matter what, he always going to make his presence be felt because the shit that he had to overcome. Where it's like, he felt like if he overcame, if he made it from Chicago, bro, he could make it anyway. He could make it in any squad. He could make it in any city, any country, because the shit that we endure coming from Chicago is just like, it's different, bro. I'm not going to lie.

That was a super emotionally mature response. And it's almost antithetical to what people think of as a rapper's disposition would be. And even when you talk about seeing somebody die when you're nine years old and then your music is heavily referential to PTSD, what made you turn the corner to want to talk about things that are a little bit more serious and less exciting, but more personal and emotional?

I think because for one, I feel like, don't get me wrong, me doing music for so long and a lot of people, my fans growing me. I just feel like a lot of people took who I am and where I came from for granted to a point where it's just like, I never spoke about before I got to a point, at least, where I could really articulate myself in a way where people could understand it. I would rap about street shit, where I come from. You know what I'm saying? Rapp about violence and being a product of gun violence and all that type of shit. But it's always a cause and effect. So, yeah, I rap like this, this is what my music reflects. But why? It's because I actually live like this. You know what I'm saying? I actually been through these things. It was a point in my life where every other day I'm hearing gunshots. Every other day I'm knowing somebody that I know that got shot or got killed in high school, whether it was one of my close friends or just somebody we go to school with. You go to school, come the next day, someone got killed.

You're like, damn. In the blink of an eye, they gone. You know what I'm saying? They take a toll you mentally. And I didn't know what PTSD was. I didn't really understand what mental health or what mental illness I was suffering from because I'm paranoid everywhere I go. I've been carrying a gun on me since I was 15 years old, 14 years old, going to school, carrying a gun, you feel what I'm saying, catching a bus, carrying a gun, shit like that, because I was a paranoid. I was afraid. And like I said, it's cause and effect. So with me doing that and living that way, I I was arrested for carrying a firearms arm, even though I'm G Herbo, I'm famous, and people would say shit like, why he ain't got security? I never put my life in nobody's hands. I never really trusted nobody enough to put my life in their hands. And quite frankly, I couldn't even afford to have 24 hours security back then. It's expensive, bro. Yeah. So it's like, I wasn't making enough money to have a security guard with me everywhere I go. You feel me? So it's like I had to just protect myself and protect my family.

I was so in tune with reality and And you know what I'm saying? The environment and the lifestyle that I was living at the time, I wouldn't even ride in a car with my mom and my sister and shit. I had cars and shit. I never would go pick my sister up from school. I could count on my hand, one hand, having How many times I actually drove to go pick my sister up from school because I wasn't doing that. I wouldn't let her get in the car with me. I wouldn't put her in harm's way. I don't know in a blink if I asked somebody to see me on some jealous shit and try to shoot the car up and my little sister in the car. I would never put Nobody that I love in a harm's way. And just the fact that I was thinking like that is the reason why I spread so much awareness on having PTSD and just mental health in itself, because We don't really understand why we think that way. A lot of us not in tune with our emotions or even speaking about it or trying to do something about it or just seeking the help that we need to seek, you know what I'm saying?

To be able to navigate day by day through this shit. You know what I'm saying?

How did you learn, though? You said you didn't be aware of mental health and PTSD. How did you become aware of that? Who taught you that? Or what did you see that made you be like, Oh, maybe this applies to me.

My attorney. I'm an open book, bro. So when I got arrested for the My arm, I just told my lawyer, I ain't going to lie, I was in a point in my life, just a hair space where I was just like, Fuck it, bro. I went and sat down with my attorney, and we were just eating the discussing my case. Because I couldn't leave Chicago. That's what it was. My judge had put a hole in on my bond why I couldn't leave Chicago. I couldn't go do no shows. And this was before COVID. So pre-COVID, I was already accustomed to being stuck, for real. Before we could fly and do shit, I couldn't go do no shows.

You're already on quarantine.

I was frustrated, bro. So I was discussing the case, and I'm telling my lawyer, You got to give me the fuck out of Chicago. I'm going crazy out here. This shit was just a dark cloud on my head where it was like, bro, the world around me moving. I'm knowing I'm big as an artist. That's when I was recording PTSD, too. I was recording that album every day. So the grittiness and the rawness that you get from that project is because I recorded the whole thing in Chicago, so my mentality was there. You feel what I'm saying? My whole mental space was just being stuck in a warzone. Imagine me being G Herbo. Think about at the time before PTSD came out and how big I was and me just being stuck in Chicago, can't go do no shows, can't do nothing, and just not really even making as much money as I should have been making at the time. I told my lawyer, You got to get me out of here, bro. I'm going crazy. I can't stay in Chicago. I'm like, Shit, I'm in more danger being here. I told my lawyer, I literally said it like that.

I didn't even give a fuck. I'm like, Bro, I'm fighting a case for a gun. They tell me I can't leave. I got a gun on me still right now. I just told my lawyer just like that, You're trying to get me off for this gun, and I'm care. I got a gun on me right now, louls. I can't get another one. I'm going to catch another case. I got to get the fuck out of here, bro. You feel what I'm saying? I was just in a dark space, bro. I don't even know if I should be sharing this, but I don't even give a fuck because it's past tense. It don't even matter. I overcame, and I'm not even that person anymore. But who I was at the time, it was like a dark cloud on me, bro. And that's why my music was the way it was. It was so much rawness and grittiness to it because I felt like I was still in the mix of all the shit going on, and I was so afraid for my life. He told me, you need to just go see somebody, go see a therapist.

You know what I'm saying? I tried it. I ain't going to lie. He referred somebody to me. I went and saw the therapist. And my first session, my first therapy session, I was so... I I told this story before. I was so nervous. I don't even know how I was fidgeting. I had my state ID in my hand, just fidgeting and doing shit. And I cracked my state ID in half. And she tripped out. She was like, Man, I don't know. It tripped out. And she gravitated towards me, though. We got closer. We started to talk more and more and more, and I started to keep going to my sessions. It did help me. And eventually, she actually testified on my behalf at court. You know what I'm saying? Helped me get off while I was able to travel. The bomb was lifting, and shit, I've been cool ever since. You know what I'm saying? As far as being able to express my emotions to a professional type of shit.

I think that that's a pretty healthy way to look at it because I think a lot of people think of therapy as this white girl, small dog, chai tea latte type of thing or whatever. You know what I mean? I think it could be beneficial and helpful for everybody. For sure. All right, guys, let's take a second We're going to talk about game time because basketball season is here, and we cannot wait to get out to some games. With the help of Game Time, the official ticketing partner of Barstool Sports, that is all made possible, and it's all so simple. There is no feeling like seeing your favorite player, your favorite team, witnessing history. There's no better feeling than that. Honestly, once you're out there smelling the hardwood, popcorn flying in the air, cheerleaders doing flips, and high-flying basketball players, slamming home slam dunks, you'll realize this is where I'm supposed to be, and the way I was supposed to get here is with GameTime. Now, they have the new GameTime Picks filter, and it filters out all the fluff to show you incredible deals on great seats. I'm going to be using them pretty soon, if you know what I mean.

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I had to compare my game This is going to throw a lot of you off for a loop. But I went and did my homework. I studied. See, my big brother told me I played like Van Exel used to play, like nick Van Exel.

Wow. That's a throwback.

That's a throwback. But if I had to compare my game to somebody in the league right now, I'm going Draymond because I'm the energy of the team. I do what's necessary for sure. That's your coach. He's necessary.

That's Coach Bryant.

For sure, that's that Coach Bryant. I'm getting the job done, man.

Yeah, I see you in these games playing against Neon and all these, just playing against anybody or whatever.

Neon, that's light work.

Light, exactly. I saw you taking care of business. Just killing him with a middie. You know what I mean?

I be having my little like my strict. Sometimes I go on a heat street where I'll be killing and then I might He's up for real. But if I stay consistent in the gym, I ain't going to lie, definitely I'll be back nice.

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All right, so I'm going, including myself?

If you want.

I'm going, me, I'm going. I'm going, I'm going Me, I'm going. I'm going to go, I fuck with Shaq nice. Shaq West? Yeah, Shaq West nice.

Because he was on his way to... Wasn't he had some prospects to play at a higher level?

I think he was about to play overseas or something like that. I'm going Shaq West. He hard. I'm going. I'm going to go... Can I go O-G, O-Wrap? You go whoever you want. I'll go Gilly. Can I go Gilly? You can go Gilly for sure. He used to rap. You got to go Unk. I'm going to go Unk, man. Putting Unk on my squad.

You're putting a point guard. You know what I mean?

He'll do like his little... Yeah, man. I'm going to go Skiller. Skiller nice, too. Okay. Skiller's nice. I'm going to go Skiller. So who did I say so far? Me, Shaq, Gilly, Skiller. And last but not least, you got to go East. Dave East. That's my dog, too. Oh, Dave East has it. Dave East nice, for sure.

Dave East definitely has it.

That's actually probably the only rapper that's ever really played basketball with somebody that's in the NBA, for real. Yeah. Yeah, he played with KD and shit. It was on the same AU team.

Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, bro. Dave East has it. He definitely is. Yeah, Dave East has it. Yeah, he's talented. Okay, this segment is sponsored by New Amsterdam Vaca. New Amsterdam Vaca, the sweetest stuff on Earth, five times filtered, three times distilled. And if you're drinking, make sure you're thinking about New Amsterdam Vaca because that's going to be the stuff that'll get you home, okay? Pour it over a big apple in the big apple with an apple martini, and you're going to be enjoying yourself in it, especially fall, especially autumnal way. Have it with juice, have it with soda, have it in a Cosmo, but make sure that you're out of this world with the new Amsterdam Vaca, new Amsterdam Vaca Mule. Throw in a sprig of cinnamon. I don't know. Throw in some throwing some garnish with it. It doesn't matter what you're pairing it with because it's almost like the perfect palate cleanse that you want as the base to every drink and every cocktail. And of course, we were drinking it while we were filming The Nicest. It's The Nicest Drink. It is The Nicest Rap Battles. You should go check those out, and you should know that everything we do is fueled by New Amsterdam Vodka.

Find your wins today with New Amsterdam Vodka. How do you feel about the Bulls this year? You believe?

I believe, I'm not going to lie. I believe, man, for sure. I like Monsters. I like him.

He could be nice. He also has the disposition.

He got potential.

Yeah, he is like a dog in a little bit.

Yeah, for sure. And he is Chicago native. He's from Chicago, so it's like, I got to ride with him for real.

Yeah, you have to.

I was just saying I'm going to go get season tickets, four seats, just so I could just watch them rock my fits and shit, at least, man.

Yeah, just get on camera a little bit.

Just get us to the playoffs, please. Just get us to the playoff, Chicago.

That's all I I think that's realistic. I think having Lanzo come back is also helpful.

For sure. We definitely need a Lanzo back. I think we could go, man. We might be the eighth seed or something, man.

We could go to play. Yeah, play in, get some play in.

A little play in. Get us there, man. Just ask. Get us there. Swerv asked you to get us to the playoffs, man.

It's tough to lose Caruso, and I think that Gitty has a lot of upside. But then I see that even the Chicago Bulls account wishes him happy birthday, and he's like, damn, man, these comments. What's your take on that situation.

That's the thing. You can't pay attention to that shit. You can't pay attention to the trove. You feel what I'm saying? Because they're going to have a nigga ready to get out of there, for real. They're going to have somebody like, I ain't even feeling... Because at the end of the day, you got to think about it, these dudes is passionate about their craft still. So it's like you got to be in a good head space when you're hooping, too. You know what I'm saying? Feeling at home, I ain't going to lie. When you feel at home, then you more likely play better, for real. You're going to want to show up for your team. You know what I'm saying? You're talking about the negative comments. I'll be reading that shit, too. I ain't going to lie. I'll be on the Bulls phase on the comments, reading that shit. Sometimes you got to just laugh You got to laugh at that shit, bro. You got to just fuck it. You got to laugh at it. You got to have thick skin, especially Chicago, for sure. If you're going to play for Chicago, you got to have thick skin because we love you.

Today, you have one bad game. They're going to cuss you the fuck out in them comments.

And then you have another good game, and then you're back. You're back.

It's like they love you, they hate you, they love you again. But one bad game in Chicago, you lose somebody, one parlay, they on your ass. It's over with.

A single parlay, man. What? It's over with. You You can't even win the game.

It's like you fucked up on that parlay. Yes, you could win the game and you fuck somebody money up. It's over. They on your ass in the comments, bro. So you got to just let that be what it is for real. But I definitely like Getty over there for sure.

You run off the parlays?

I swear I do I'm so blessed that I did not get addicted to that shit. I just like, Fuck it, though, because it almost got me a little bit. You know what I'm saying? I lost a little money doing that shit. I'm like, You know what? I'm not even finna get full flage in that shit. I be seeing my homies, they be really like, some days they good, some days they down. You feel what I'm saying? But it's really like the three. I think it's just fun just betting because I'm a sports fan, so it's like, I don't want to be tripping. I'd rather just bet cash to one of my homies That's why I do it.

Right. Just person to person. You guys can go back and forth on the couch.

Yeah, I like that. I like that a lot better. I'm old school with it.

You said you're a sports fan across the board, so you're locked in on the bears, too. Yeah, for sure. You think Caleb's the guy?

I like Caleb. I like Caleb a lot, man. We look I ain't going to lie, we're looking better than we looked in a long time, for real, if you ask me.

Good little defense, a lot of upside on offense.

Yeah, I like the defense for sure. We definitely like the defense. Actually, one of us, two games that we really needed them for real, for sure. Upside on the offense. But I'm going to go catch some games. I be so busy and I'll be procrastinating, saying I'm going to go watch them, but I'm going to really go support for real, though, for sure. I think that play a big part, though. You know what I'm saying? Getting the support from the city, I think that play a big part in just the energy around, you know what I'm saying? Sports culture. I'm excited. I'm definitely excited for the bears, for sure. I think I'm a little more excited for the bears than the Bulls.

Yeah, I mean, the bears, there's a limited amount of games. They've He already won four of the first six games. You know what I mean? They're on a nice path. There's a lot of upside. For sure. You could see Caleb turning in. If the Bulls had just had the number one overall pick, you might be more excited.

Exactly, for sure. But I definitely like Caleb Williams For sure, I like him.

You tell me which was a better move for Jason Tatum this past year, winning an NBA Championship or coming out with the Flaming Hot Ruffles. The Flaming Hot Ruffles.

Flaming Hot Ruffles might be the one for sure. I'm not even going to lie. Jason Tatum, that's my boy, I ain't going to lie, I'm not going to JT in it. When we was talking, literally, I got the receipts. That's my man. I'm telling them, You got it this year. For sure, you're about to bring that ring home. He's saying, I got this, bitch. I got it this year. He was talking shit? We was talking shit for sure. Months and months prior, even before the playoffs, we were like, Yeah, bro, you're about to win this bitch this year for sure. But the Ruffles, that might be the greatest shit on Earth, bro. I love them chips, Brian. I can't even go in a gas station or a store and walk past them chips and not grab three bags. I don't even get one bag. I get three, four at a time, bro. For sure, he was on to something with them. I didn't even ask him. I wonder, did he actually do that himself?

Bro, text him right now, bro.

For sure. No, Bush, I got to hit bro up. You got to hit him up, bro. Did you really... Who idea was that, for real?

Yeah, was it his idea to come up with the Flaming Hot Ruffles because they're a game changer. His name's on the bag, his face is on the bag. That's a lot of name, image, and likeness that's going on.

That's the championship right there. Right, exactly. It's the like, Juju, Juju, I'm not even going to pop.

It's the like, Juju, Juju, right? To win a championship. First, you wind up on the Ruffles, then next thing.

I focus on LeBron, though, but he fucking LeBron flavor up, man. Lebron got the Chetter shit, but Jason Tate them shit fired. Them shit is good. You had them before? You ain't tried them?

Game changes.

You're out. I'm about to take you to the store when we leave this shit, bro. I'm about to get you right, buddy.

You have to. Because even if you would think that LeBron will put his name on the Flaming Hot. Say it's a draft at the Ruffles factory of there's a pecking order and you get to pick your flavor. Wouldn't you want Flaming Hot? And wouldn't you think LeBron will get first overall pick? You know what I mean? Definitely. Just as far as longevity in the game. I think so. That he was just trying to grab up Flaming Hot. He made a mistake if he had the chance to get Flaming Hot and went with the- If he had the chance to get the Flaming Hot barbecue and he went with the shit he got, he dropped the ball, man.

I ain't going to lie. I ain't trying AD shit. I think he had some jalapeno shit. Ain't nobody fucking with JT shit, hands down. I'm not even going to lie. No, that shit over. He fucking up every wrap snack, all that shit. That shit is amazing. I'm the best chips ever.

Yeah, bro. He really did, man. I'm proud of him. No bullshit. I'm a Sixers fan, too. You know what I mean? And I'm still proud. I'm crossing enemy lines.

I'm not glazing, though, bro. This shit's really good.

No glazing at all. There's footage of you singing the praises of those fine chips.

I see my videos on your Instagram. That's why I asked. Man, them shit's too good. That's why I ask. I put the trenches on them chips for real. I really need a percentage. No bullshit. I feel like, you feel me? But I ain't even on trip because I really put the trenches on them for real. You did? I definitely put the trenches on them. I introduced 10 people to them chips.

Now we have the whole audience plus your Instagram videos about it. You know what I mean? You're singing the...

He should be paid-8 million followers, not major.

He should be paying you a percentage. You know what I mean? There should be a finder fee.

I'm going to send my contract in a minute, I mean, true.

Free advertising. Here's another question I have for you. I saw a video of Airbnb, and there were about 20 pairs of forces left behind. And the comments were all like, We know who this is. This is her, bro. Is it true or false? You leave 20 pairs of forces behind when you leave an Airbnb. That was you?

Yeah, I definitely do do that.

You're a one-time use?

I'm not going to lie. I do that anywhere, though. I got to the point where after that, Not even really after it went viral, but still, now when I leave hotels and shit, I just... Because I have four or five pairs of sitting out, and I never bring them with me unless I got somebody to get them to. I don't even do that no more because I be like, People I'm not going to know I stayed in this room.

It's your calling card. It's like the sticky band that's.

That's like leaving the fucking... What's the shit? The shit off power when the cartel, they lead a little car right there next to you. That's basically what I was doing. I need to stop. I'm like, No, I'm about to just take my force and shit with me because if you leave four, five pair of ones behind, they're going to be like, Yeah, that was him for real. I don't even mean to cut you. I gave 300 pair of... I just took them to Skid Row, five, six trash bags full of forces just dropped them off in Skid Row.

Because are you a one-time wear? Yeah. One-time? Second time, no one would be able to tell.

Yeah, they could. I could.

You think you could?

I could tell.

Did you ever see the trend of girls in New York, maybe two years ago, wearing forces, but they're absolutely cooked, like beat to shit? What's your opinion as- I ain't fucking with it, man. I ain't going to lie.

You could be the prettiest girl on Earth. And I look at your ones, them shit look like that. It's like, Who raised you? I can't fuck with that. Deal-breaker. That's a deal-breaker for sure. Dirty ones is crazy. The ones that's bent up in the front. The lace is tied up extra fucking tight, like you're trying to suffocate your ankles. Yeah, I ain't fucking with that at all. I don't know if that's Is that some Hypebeast shit?

I think it was white women in New York City, I think, were the pioneers of it. Not even the hashtag. I just think that it was a cultural thing. You know what I mean? Yeah, that shit ain't it. I could walk through the subway and just at the time, I could just film eight pairs of shoes.

You're not lying. But the question is what's fucking me up is, what do you do to get your shoes that fucking dirty?

How? I wear them twice.

No, it can't Can't be that much wear and tear. For real, it can't be that much wear and tear in the world, where it's like, your shoes look like that, bro. What the fuck? That shit. And it's only... There's never in between, though. It's never in the middle.

Right. They're never medium rare. They're either well done, fully cooked. This shit is burnt.

It's over with, bro. I ain't going to lie. Yeah. And that is only some New York shit, though, because I don't see that in Chicago.

Yeah, I I don't know what it was. It was just, I guess, a trend for a while. I think that it's died out. I think people are back to some clean shoes.

Yeah, that's some New York shit.

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Well, let me ask you this. What was the first rap song that you knew every word to?

That's a great fucking question. Damn. You know I'm so crazy? I think the first rap song that I really knew all the words to was all about the Benjamin, Junior Mop.

Bro, I was like, a lot of my first... It's either some biggie songs or a bunch of stuff that was on No Way Out or whatever. And now I have to be like, I have to no diddy it. You know what I mean? I have to get out ahead of it. But that was a great out.

In my head, I don't know if this is going to age well, but fuck it, man.

That's what I mean. It's not fair to us for the people who just knew.

I'm just a consumer of music at the time. Exactly. You're a child. But no, that definitely... And I was one of them kids in the family where all my aunties, perform, rap the song. I'm rapping this shit at the family reunions, the weddings and shit. But for sure, I think that was the first song that I knew, like word for word, all about the Benjamin.

Yeah, bro. I mean, that's a great song.

Great song.

Great fucking song. It's incredible. And there was something about those songs at the time that was just earworms. But I feel like that's once you know a whole song and want to wrap the entire thing, I feel like that's be like, Oh, I could do this.

Yeah, for sure. And I'm like a sponge, though. I don't know if it's because I'm an artist, but if I like a song, I'm going to remember the lyrics in a day, two days. Because I play shit over and over and over. When I get in the car, I'm playing one song, spending that bitch back, keeping it in rotation. I always do that, especially if I get in mode, I'm going to learn a song one day for sure.

So then what's the most recent song of somebody else's that you learned every word to that you're like, I can wrap the verse for this. I go bar for bar with it?

Most recent song.

And if there's not one, that's fine.

Lil Durk, Monitor Me. Monitor Me. He just dropped that fucking three days ago. I know that shit back, front to back already. Let me see what else. Lil Yadi, Give Me The Light, the shit with him to sizzle. Stuff? Yeah. Let me see. What's another song? I'm going to give you one more that I know I could rap from start to finish.

You could also lie. I'm not going to make you rap it. You know what I mean? You don't have to tell the truth.

But I'm thinking about the shit that I really do. Probably the shit with Vs and Yadi, too. The sorry, not sorry, shit. That shit fire, too, for sure.

Well, I know you got to get out of here. I got one more for you. And I'm only asking you this question because you're clearly an emotionally intelligent person. So my question is, what is the worst habit that you have right now, and what are you doing to break that habit?

That's really good. The worst habit that I have right now, probably the worst too, is drinking alcohol.

It's so fucking fun, though, is the problem. So much fucking fun. It's such a blast. That shit is so much fun.

I'm not going to lie. And I'll be saying it, so I'll be jokingly saying it, but I'm actually doing a lot better, though. I slowed down a lot. But drinking and probably just... Both of these things are so much fucking fun, though. Drinking and spending money, bro. It's so fun. I can't stop doing either. And what I'm doing to break it is you have to... I'm a creature of habit. So it's like you have to create an environment in a space. So now it's like I'm set up in Miami right now, and I'll be back and forth from Miami, LA, Chicago, and I'm just sitting in the studio. I think it was probably idle time, though. So now that I'm in the studio and I got music. I'm dropping music, and I'm actually busy on the road and shit. It make more sense for me. You know what I'm saying? I don't have idle time while I'm just chilling, drinking bored. I'm on planes, I'm working, I'm doing this, and Now it's like, I don't really have time to just go do like, careless shit. Like, I'll wake up, just go shop buy clothes and shit like that.

That's my thing. Those are my two worst habits right now, spending money and drinking. Both a ton of fucking fun. I'm not going to lie. I enjoy both a lot. But I think I just wanted to... I don't know. I want to practice having discipline, bro. And I'm going to get deep on this explanation. Bro, you think about it, I've been doing music on a high level since I was 16 years old, and I ain't really had nobody really teach me discipline. You know what I'm saying? People who was around me, other than me having my big brother, maybe one or two people. But it's always the people who you look to for that type of guidance, they don't give it to you. It's always the people telling you that you're really not trying to hear from or not trying to listen to. You know what I'm saying? So it was me just having access I'm blessed to so much as such a young age, having access to money and shit like that. I was just having fun. And then you look up, you 26, 27 years old, and you're like, damn, if I had the knowledge that I have now when I was a kid, I'd probably be up fucking 200 million or some shit like that.

Invested. Invested. They did all the right things. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, don't get me wrong, I'm still blessed. I'm able to maintain and still do everything I'm doing at such a high level. But I think it was just a blur. I was just so young and wild and just doing drugs and just having fun. Every day I could wake up and just do whatever the fuck I wanted to do type shit. I had a blast doing it. But then when you look back, it's like I lost so much and so many people along the way that I cared about. You know what I'm saying? And I think I didn't really get to enjoy it in a way where it was memorable. You know what I'm saying? I didn't do nothing where it was memorable. I know I had fun in the moment. I had a bunch of momentary fun, but if I'm making sense where it's like, I never did nothing that I could look back and be like, damn, that was good. That was cool. You know what I'm saying? I had fun. I'll never forget this. You know what I'm saying?

Sometimes I got to try to remind myself of certain shit I did because I was just living fast. You feel me? Now I look back as an adult and try to compare that to my life now. Now I'm trying to really create memories that's going to last a lifetime.

Maybe that's what your 30s can be for, living in the moment and being present with everything and just counting the blessings.

You just hit it right on the head, being present with everything. I think the shit I've been doing, just me mentally being all fucked up. I used to be places while I wasn't really there. I never got to enjoy it because I was so focused on tomorrow and yesterday. I'm thinking about what happened yesterday, and I'm thinking about, damn, if I do this, this is going to happen. Do this, this is going to happen, where I never really got to enjoy it or be happy for me. You know what I'm saying? Like make myself happy. So it's like, you got to live in a moment. And I think when you live in a moment and enjoy the moment and don't think about the present. I mean, don't think about the past or the future. Just think about the present. You actually can be happy and enjoy yourself.

Yeah, I've heard it said that anxiety is living too much in the future and depression is living too much in the past. Yeah, so it's like if you can balance that and be in the center of all that, you could be set up for a nice run. But regardless, you obviously have a good head on your shoulders. Obviously, you're experiencing insane success through music, and you're flourishing as far as your art. So keep that shit up, bro. And I really appreciate your time. I'll send your best to Pat.

For sure. Appreciate it, man. I'll be back though, Pat. I got you, bro.

Yeah, for sure, bro. I'll be back, man. Go cop that album, too. For sure. Big swerp. Big swerp. Ski. Come on, bro. You're the man.

Thank you, bro. This shit was dope.