Transcript of #2286 - Antonio Brown

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How you doing, man? Good to see you, baby.

Papa. Look at that ring.

Yeah.

Holy. Pleasure to meet you. The most fun follow on Twitter by far. Excuse me. X.

Thank you.

Whatever they want to call it, you're the most fun.

Thank you. You made my job easy. You know, all the entertainment you give me.

How did you decide to start doing this? How did you, first of all, were you always this funny?

I would like to think so.

But, like, your social media presence, like, I forget. I think Tony Hinchcliffe told me about you. He's like, dude, you have to follow Antonio Brown. You must follow. He's the most must follow the Internet. I'm like, really? And then I go to your page and I'm dying laughing. We're sharing it around the green room at the Comedy Store. Like, ah. And then when I won Cracker of the Day, I was like, yes, yes.

Of the Year.

Cracker of the Year. That's right.

Yeah. I try to use X as a good platform to bring laughter making, you know, bringing humor back and comedy making people feel good.

Well, you can get wild.

Yeah, I get a little wild sometimes.

You can get wild on X. Yeah, You.

You could get a little wild on X. But I try to Twitter.

They would have got rid of you a long time ago.

You would have been canceled.

Probably would have got rid of me too, if Elon didn't buy Twitter.

Yeah, we. Thanks. Elon Musk given us that platform to be able to be expressive, you know, to bring. Bring in comedy back. Bring in fun. Yeah.

Just ridiculous shit. Have some fun again.

Have some fun again. Yeah.

What happened? Everybody tightened up for like five years.

It was really tight.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So how did. How did you come up with hashtag cte? Sbn? Because that's my favorite.

I feel like when I stopped playing football and I walked off the field, people was like, this guy's crazy. Like, he's retarded. He's illiterate. So, you know, I was like, you know what? Maybe I could, you know, rebrand cts being, you know, giving people perspective of different challenges people face and yeah, great individuals, how they overcome adversity and just kind of share in tune perspective of, you know, how people was getting through trauma. No matter if you're a football player, I mean, what is like for you? You started damn. Uc. Ufc. Yeah, yeah, ufc.

Like, the reality of head trauma is something that we're like as a society we're just embracing over the last 10, 20 years, like it wasn't for that concussion movie. I think that opened up a lot of people's eyes. That Will Smith movie.

Yes.

And the story that doctor of him finding how many people have like significant brain trauma from football.

Yes. So for me, I try to use it because this is a serious standpoint. A lot of ex players and players have actually has been diagnosed and you know, passed away from ct. So for me, you know, on a serious point of, you know, bringing record awareness and bringing, you know, a reality standpoint of what athletes and people fighting or anyone in their daily lives facing from head trauma, of just people writing them off, you know, and encouraging therapy, encouraging how do you get through tough situation and then making it funny, you know what I'm saying? Because I feel like nowadays if you do something crazy, people like, oh yeah, that guy's crazy. So it's like, let's just show why they crazy in CTSBN and show the cause of the craziness. You know what I mean?

Yeah, there. I mean there's a real cost, the craziness and.

Yes.

And we're ignoring it as society because we love football, we love mma, we love boxing. You know, sweet.

Just kind of like overlook it with the entertainment.

I'm friends with a lot of dudes, so I get to see what they're like after fights. You know, like everybody watches the fight, the fight's amazing. And then, you know, you run into them after fights and have a conversation with them like, oh man, man, their whole head's swollen, can't move their hands, you know, can't walk, calves are blown out, knees fucked up, ice here, this there.

Oh, it's a challenge.

It's a challenge, man. It's a real challenge. And when you started playing football, nobody even thought about it.

Yeah, because you just, you know, you never think about the repercussions. You just think, how I make a better life.

Well, back then nobody even really knew that that was going to happen to football players. It was kind of a thing that they thought about with boxers. Rarely people talked about football who aren't doing so good.

Yeah. So I feel like cts being was brought back to recognize the awareness of high level people experiencing trauma and not being able to overcome that trauma because, you know, life's changing on you in a second. You playing football, you know it's going to come to an end and then what do you do next?

Yeah, that's the hardest thing, right, for pro athletes. You Go from being a kid to all of a sudden you are making millions of dollars and you're young and you're wild and you're not thinking it's going to go away. And then all your friends are buying jewelry and all your friends are buying Mercedes Benz and Bentleys and all this shit, and you're like, fuck. And I think the number was something like 85% of NFL players go bankrupt within X amount of years after retirement.

Exactly. Because the lifestyle, you know, and making so much money and being able to transition in regards of having a new career and not making that much money all at once like you used to.

Yeah.

And I think sometimes bankrupt could be used to protect assets in regards of people coming after you to know.

Right.

Big target when you're in position.

Of course. Yeah. That is another problem with getting wealthy is that you become vulnerable to scoundrels.

And scavengers and dirty hoes. Yeah.

Dirty dirt, dirty money grabbing. Like must like calculated hoes.

Yeah.

You know, ones that it's not just like, well, the relationship didn't work out. The lawyer told you you can get some money from them. Maybe you should go for it. Ye. Them. No, it's like from the jump they're calculating.

These ladies these days, they gonna have. They gonna have a baby because they homeless.

Mm. Yeah.

Yeah. You gotta hit them and back to the streets where you belong, you know?

Did. Did you ever have situations where you thought, like, girls were trying to, like, get over on you?

I just feel like nowadays girls just want the bb, like the bbd, the biggest and better deal.

Right? Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

That's built into human nature.

Yeah, yeah. Human nature. What's the next best thing?

Yeah, it's called hypergamy. It's like a natural state that women stay in.

Right.

Well, they. They look for like if. If you're doing okay. But then all of a sudden, she starts working for a billionaire and he gets divorced and he's real friendly to her. Next thing you know, she starts. She starts picturing that girl.

Right.

She starts picturing picture in that closet, seeing all those shoes and purses and all that jewelry.

She started licking chops, going to the movie theaters.

He's actually nicer to me than my boyfriend. And then they start justifying it, and next thing you know, she's gone.

She's going to the movie theater.

It's hypergamy. Yeah, it's a natural state that some women, I mean, obviously there's great women out there with character and morals and they don't do that. But it's a natural thing that women do. They try to find a better, better suitor.

Bigger and better deal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When, when, you know, when you talk about cte, when did you first start noticing the effects of football?

I feel like, to me, I always knew, like the game was going to come to an end. And I feel like, to me, I always played the game smart as a receiver, not putting myself in bad positions, getting hit, but I did have a chance to, you know, rest in peace. Demarius Thomas, one of the ex receivers who came in the NFL around the time I came in, I had a chance to see him experience, you know what I'm saying, some of that CT trauma. And in the middle, how did he pass from ct?

Yeah, yeah, he passed from cte.

Yeah. When they study his brain. Yeah. Because I don't want to speak about the problems that he really had, but yeah, you know, being a close friend to him, you know, we seen some of the experience that he was going through and playing for Tempur. My last year when we won the Super Bowl, I think it had a player, Vincent Jackson, rest in peace, also pass from ct. So for me, you know, it's a real thing.

It's a real thing.

And not only just from the hits you take, but like you said, aftermath of your career or, you know, having a moment in your career where some guys can't get over it or, you know, you done seen fighters have a fight or it may not go the way that they wanted to go and could possibly affect the outcome of how they look at it. And I feel like we all have traumas in our lives from all, no matter if you play sports or not. So just raising awareness of getting mental therapy and being able to, you know, work on yourself so you can have a better life.

That's a important point you brought up, like the psychology of an athlete. You have to learn how to, like, put losses behind you and failures behind you and regain your confidence and then excel and move forward.

Yeah, right. You just gotta not let one moment overtake the overall moments of your career.

Right.

Some moments are big moments and, you know, if you get cut, little things that happen in your career just take it with a grain of salt and be able to cope with the situation. You win, you know.

Yeah. When did you. I mean, you talk pretty openly about cte, but when did you start feeling the effects of that?

I feel like for me, I feel like for me, I don't really. I feel like I always was in tune and, you know, aware of my situation and where I'm at in life. You know, I've been pretty blessed in my regards of being a football player to be able to come from Central Michigan as a walk on to Central Michigan, leave three years, go to the Steelers, being the second receiver pick in that year. And then, you know, I always had a high belief in myself and never was deteriorated about the position or where I had to start from or where I was going. So for me, I always had the intuitive trust and the belief in myself regarding any situation I've been in, because I came from Liberty City from nothing. So to me, everything's a blessing. So I never let football or any position I ever was in in life deteriorate my perspective and my outlook or how I looked at.

Did you feel the way your brain work change at all, though?

No, I feel like the older you get playing sport, you realize deteriorate, you know what I'm saying? What the game entails on your body. I feel like in my 20s, I was just ripping through, you know, dominating the game.

Right, right.

Then when you get 30, you know what I'm saying? Obviously it's a business. They looking for younger players to excel at the game. And then when you leave one of the best teams and put yourself in a position to, you know, to do what's important for you other than important for the NFL. So you know what's gonna come with that. So to me, I always made the calculated decisions, you know what I mean? To put myself in the best position, I. E. Like playing with Tom Brady, you know, going to the Pacers or leaving the Steelers or, you know, always try to. Just knew I wasn't gonna play for a long time. Just maximize the moment in the meantime playing. So when I'm done playing, I could live a healthy life.

So you, you play it smart, gotta play smart. And as a receiver, man, they're coming for you.

Yeah, you gotta.

That's a. That's target numero uno, you know? Yeah. Do you encounter a lot of young guys or like, you know, I'm sure you run into like. And you definitely did. While you're playing, young guys are coming in and you feel like, compelled to let them know, like, hey, this is. You got a short amount of time here. Nobody, nobody. The longest anybody ever last is like Brady, like, what's he now? He's like. He's thinking about doing it again. Yeah, he's like, what is he, 43, 44?

Probably. Yeah.

Quarterback's a little different, right? Yeah, A lot different, right. Than a receiver. And they have long careers. But, you know, it's obviously for most people, you hit, you start hitting your 30s. That's the same thing with fighters as well. When they pass 35, that's the cutoff. 35. You're always looking for decline. And some of them hang in there strong, like Alex Pereira. He's 37. He's hanging in there strong.

Yeah.

Killing everybody. But for most guys, 35, 36, that's the drop off. 37. Do you feel like, compelled to talk to the young guys and, like.

Absolutely. Because it's a short window opportunity.

Yeah.

And you got to know, like, what do you set out to do? You know? I mean, what do you came to do? You got to have those intentionals and just, you know, it's a long game.

Yeah, yeah. Life is a long game.

Life is a long game.

So I. Yeah, football's a chapter. Life's a long game. And it could be the most fun.

Chapter of your whole life, but it's not real life.

Right.

Football, just what you do is really not who you is. But I feel like people will kind of get to know you from what you do based off, you know.

Yeah, of course. Yeah.

Yeah.

The other thing is that, like, some guys, they have a real problem when they stop playing because they don't know who they are anymore. They used to be a football player, and now all of a sudden, they're just a regular person who was a football player.

And that's. And that's some part of the trauma as well. You know, some guys, right. It's not really in tune and knowing they self in regard to who they is. And to me, I always knew football was gonna come to an end, but we don't have unlimited health. And I go back to the trauma, which is understand who you are and making yourself happy, you know?

Yeah, yeah. It's. It's interesting to see that some people can navigate it and they figure out how to do it, and they get through life and then they move on to other things and they start doing commentary on ESPN or what have you, and they're doing great. And then most people. That's not the case.

Yeah. That's why I say I recommend people who get therapy and, you know, any of your career, have good people in your corner that, you know, got your back, that could still help you propel in life.

And did you get therapy when you were done? Yeah, yeah.

For sure. You got to get therapy.

Yeah, yeah. What did you specifically go to talk.

To Them about just how you feel, you know, mental clarity, you know, emotional feelings. You know, I feel like waking up and being a football player when you did it every day, and you wake up with so much energy, ready to.

Put it out, right?

Learning how to channel it, you know, learning how to deal with some relationships that maybe change now that you're not in a position and how to deal with that or, you know, how to deal with people leveraging you, you know what I mean, for what you got now. And, yeah, just a lot of different things to just provide mental clarity and just. Because life's not about just being right. Just figuring out ways to just be more happy.

Yeah. Yeah. Did you have a plan when you stopped? Like, did you know what you were gonna do?

I didn't know what I was gonna do, but it kind of just, like, happened, you know, I was making music with the distribution label, with video. So as soon as I walked out the field, they released the music. I ended up linking with Kanye west right after. After that. I was doing rolling louds after that. You know what I'm saying? So for me, I was grateful, you know, Soon I walked off the field. Music song dropped.

How'd you link up with Kanye, man?

He was looking for me right when I walked off the field.

Really?

Yeah. They was calling me Justin Leboy, like, calling me in New York, like, yo, Kanye wanted to meet you. I ended up flying to LA to meet Rich with Fashion Nova, and we met right in Craig's. Randomly in Craig's. But he was looking for me in la. And after that, end up hanging with him, making his album down to two and wow. Just getting opportunity. So that's crazy to be able to have that happen for me, you know?

What is it like working with Kanye? Because I gotta imagine a lot of energy.

Genius meetings at 8:00, all the music.

8:00Am or 8:00pm 8:00am really?

Every day. Yeah.

Really?

All the engineers there, everyone on the team.

That's unusual. Rappers at 8am N. Yeah.

Kanye is really a business guy who put in a lot of work. I know a lot of people see his rents and him going off, but he's really passionate about his work. And he's a genius. Yeah, he's just scattered.

He's all over the place. And sometimes he goes a little off, a little off the reservation.

He think in a lot of forms.

Yes.

So many areas. He like to think so.

You don't make music like that consistently unless you got a very different mind.

Nice.

That dude has a very different mind. All of His. He doesn't have one bad album. His new album's not getting enough love.

Yeah. Because I feel like people want to know, where is he at? Like, where's he at?

He's killing it still. Nice music is killing it. This new is killing it.

Yes.

I wish he didn't sell swastika T shirts on his website, but yeah, he does that to with people. He does that to with people. That's part of the fun.

That's why I don't. Marketing.

Yeah, yeah, it's part of the fun of being Kanye. He's getting people talk about him. He puts an ad on the super bowl and you go to the website, he's selling swastika T shirts like, what.

The hell is this?

It's so crazy, but the music is undeniable. Over and over and over again. It's undeniable every album he's not doesn't have one dud. They're all bangers. They're all bangers. And the new one, after all the shit he's been through, the new one is a banger. We play that shit in the green room all the time.

Yeah, he's a banger. Yeah, he's all gas.

All gas, no breaks. But 8am meetings for rappers is very unusual.

I mean, he's more than a rapper. I think he's just a creative genius. He made beats. He's in fashion shoes, of course. Yeah, just creative lucrative, man. I feel like he's really passionate about.

Yeah, the rap is just one extension of his creativity. Yeah, he can do whatever the he wants.

Yeah.

I just wish he would stop selling swastika.

Yeah, he gotta calm it down. I told him. I told him God is gonna calm it. Yeah. I told him God is love, man. You know, he's a really in tune spirit with God. So I told him, God is love. Be love.

Well, you know what I think? I think Kanye feels attacked. And when he feels attacked, he fires back. And then you develop this antagonistic relationship with the media, with some of your fans, with all the people that are upset at you. You know, he feels. He feels like cornered and attacked and. And not appreciated. And then he fires at people and starts saying wild shit and then puts masks on and he just, just. He's a brilliant fucking guy.

He's amazing.

When he came to do the podcast, unfortunately at the time, Jamie caught Covid the early, early days. And Jamie couldn't be here, so we wound up doing it in my studio. But what he wanted to do was build a studio that looked like a Womb.

Now he loves. He loves, like, settings and how stuff looks, shapes, design designs. He's. Yeah, he probably sent 100 image every day, just different designs.

Yeah, he should send me sketches and of what he's working on.

You should see his workout. Like, he draws on work like a whole comic. Comic book. Like, he got. It's. It's retarded. He's just so. Yeah, it's crazy.

That's funny.

Yeah.

I mean, that's how you become a guy that's that successful in so many different areas. You have to be driven.

You gotta be driven, man. Yeah, you gotta get on that bike and exercise that cardio. Like, he's right. Got agility. He got that agility just up and on it.

Yeah. But I feel like that kind of brain, though, is like a Ferrari engine. Like, you got to know how to handle that. You got to know how to handle that thing. You're going to go into the woods, you're going to spin off the road and hit a tree. And that's the problem with a guy like Kanye. It's just like his brain has more horsepower than the average brain. And, you know, he's on a road where everybody else is going 35 miles an hour. He's like, get the. Out of my way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, because he's got that Ferrari engine. But that engine, you will spin out. You. The tires won't hold. You will take a corner too fast. Yeah, you'll go sideways.

Yeah. This is the crash out bucket right here. And what's with the house out?

Why'd you. Why'd you. Why'd you choose the helmet?

I find this is one of the lucrative helmets that they wear when they go to war.

Lucrative.

Yeah, lucrative. You know, this is the crash out buckets. Cause I feel like when you wear this helmet, you already crashed out. It's like you committed to the crash out. Like.

Right, right, right. You're all in.

All in. So I feel like we at war right now with the Democrats. I know. Isn't that crazy to say?

I know it's crazy to say, but I know exactly what you're saying.

Exactly.

I just can't believe people say it. And it's true.

It's wildlife right now.

What is? Like the Democrats are now the Republicans.

Yes. Wow.

They're the ones trying to control speech.

They didn't even clap for the little kid. No, that was.

They didn't crap for the little kid. They didn't clap for the lady who got up by that volleyball player. That was a Dude, they didn't clap for Lake and Riley who got murdered by the illegal immigrant.

It's crazy.

That's just. We're so divided. It's so. That's. You can't clap for a little kid who survived cancer. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Yeah, where your heart out.

But he's. He's on their side, so he can't clap for this little kid. Like, you're upset. This little kid is watching you not clap at him.

Yes.

That's crazy.

That's a little child hurting his heart.

A child with cancer. And you can. You can't. You can't put your shit aside to give that kid some love. That's crazy.

Yeah, that's. That's. Yeah, that's.

We got. We have to stop the division in this country. And it's feel. I feel like people are digging in their trenches. They're digging in deeper and deeper and really, we should be encouraging the opposite.

Yes.

Most of what people are arguing about all day long in politics is not affecting your life. It's bullshit.

It's all bullshit.

It's bullshit and you could get caught up in it and it could become your whole life. And you will waste your life thinking about that stuff instead of thinking about stuff that you actually have control over.

Exactly.

Your family, your friends.

Stuff that's important.

Your life. Yeah, Stuff that's actually important, which is what you should be thinking about most of the time. But some people, they think about that and then think, yeah, what are these doing behind the scenes? They're stealing my taxes, doing this and bringing in the illegals. And what are they doing with the trans kids?

Don't stop.

Yeah, it's non stop, man.

That's why we got to bring comedy and love back and the enjoyable laughs on X making people.

Were you on Twitter before Elon bought it?

Yeah, I was on there before.

Did you get in trouble at all? Did you take it on the DL back then? Like a little lighter, obviously.

Back then I was representing the NFL. Some stuff. I can't really talk on this right now. Yeah, you gotta get the out of it. Yeah.

Some of this you write is wild.

Yeah.

Yeah. You get wild, but it's funny. Yeah, that's like. That's what I go to Twitter for.

I don't want to be mad.

Yeah.

We don't want to scratch people. I wanted people to come to my X page and ball out your ass.

Yeah. So when you did the awards.

Yes.

Like, who put that together?

Me and my guy Jacob. We put it together.

Genius.

Yeah. Genius.

And everybody loved it. It was huge.

Yeah. I think it was bigger than the award show at the Oscars. I feel like we had a lot of numbers.

You had a lot of numbers on X, man. Like a lot of people watched that. What was the final numbers on that?

I think almost 200 million engagement. That is so crazy. On the X. Yeah.

That's so great. But it's fun. People are starving for fun.

They need excitement.

Yeah.

Little uncomfortable, but a little cool. Because we make uncomfortability cool.

When it's like also you're doing it all with a big smile.

It's happiness.

Yeah.

You're having a good time, making people feel good.

Yeah.

So we need more of.

Are you going to do more award shows?

I need to. We need to do more. Especially if you a part of it. If you're going to come support it. Of course I'll support.

I'll. Look, I get a bunch of guys to come too.

We need to do a real experience, like a real show. Awards where we have it.

I feel like you could do it every quarter. You could do like once a quarter, every three months.

Yeah.

Why not get some sponsors?

Let's go.

You know, because like that's a legitimate show. Like all these other award shows. Like, I didn't watch the Oscars.

So much politics.

I know they're talking about politics in Ukraine and this and Gaza and Palestine. You're making movies. Just make your move.

Hey, just go right to the theaters and keep it going.

We did. We work real hard, everybody. Thank you, everybody, for all your hard work.

Yay.

We won. That's it.

That's it.

That's all I want to hear from you.

That's all I want to hear.

I'm not interested in someone who lies for a living. Because that's what they do. They pretend to be somebody else for a living. Tell me how I should view the world. Yeah, I like to go to other people for that. Please. Thank you.

You're welcome.

Yeah, you're. You fucking people are just. You're just actors. Just because you're famous doesn't mean what you have to say is important.

Exactly.

Especially at a fucking award show. Imagine like taking your time and you're gonna use that award show to denounce politics and proclaim your platform. Like, just ruin shit. Boring.

Super boring.

Boring. Yours is fun. You could have a giant audience. You could have musical performers.

Like have a real show.

Yeah, man.

People look forward to and feel happy about.

Yeah, yeah.

And make people feel good for doing great things, man.

Yes. And it's also like, the fun thing about you doing something like that too, is it lets other people know, like, oh, I could cut loose too, and.

Maybe a little open.

Yeah.

Comedy fun.

Yeah. Maybe someone will pay attention to me. Maybe I can crack some good jokes and have some fun.

Good humor to bring people together.

Yes. Well, that's one cool thing that I am seeing from a lot of former athletes. They're starting podcasts.

Yeah. I like the podcast. This water space.

Yeah. It's like, it's a good way for guys to just sit around and shoot.

The shit and be expressive.

Look at Pat McAfee.

He's fucking killing it.

Yeah.

Take it to a whole new level.

Yeah. But that's like a great example of what's possible for a lot of former athletes.

Yeah.

Especially fun guys like you.

Yeah.

Have you thought about doing a podcast?

I would love to. I started. I started low on ctspn, but I think I need it. I feel like I don't want to be the guy that. Just talking about.

Yeah.

I feel like sometimes we get a little watered down when you just.

Right.

Talking too much. I feel like as a player, I always was about action. I love to talk and be funny and creative, but sometimes it depends on, you know, what's the seriousness and the purpose coming behind it and what is. What's the meaning.

Oh, believe me, I know. I talk too much. I talk four or five days a week sometimes.

But your opinion is really good. I like seeing you give your opinion and you always. You always real. You're a realist.

Try to keep it real. Yeah.

Keep it official or tell the truth. How they feeling? So, you know, it's always amazing to be here with you on a thank you experience. Here is real.

Well, I feel very fortunate that my job depends on me being real.

Yeah.

So, like, you don't have an option.

But a lot of people can't really pay that price. Like, how do you come to a source for yourself where you could just be 100% genuine about, like, how you feel and who you is?

I kind of always have been that way. I think that's my cte.

That's your trauma, just being your real self.

When I was young man, I got hit in the head a lot. And I think all my years of sparring and fighting, I think rattled something loose. It rattled the give a fuck part loose, where it's like, I don't care as much if other people are mad at me as some people do. I don't care as much. I mean, it doesn't. I don't like it. I don't like it if people are upset at me, but it doesn't ruin my life like it does with some people. I can just like. Okay.

So, yeah.

Also, I think I have enough real world perspective to know what's actually important in this life. And it's not really necessarily other people's opinions, especially the type of opinions of people that get upset all the time about everything. They're not valuable opinions. So even if they're making you out to be the worst person that's ever lived, like, according to them, but they're idiots. Like, you have to. You have to be able to have perspective. And if you feel a certain way and you don't tell people, if you think a certain way, you don't tell people, you're doing a disservice to you. You're doing a disservice to them. Like, nobody is. Nobody's benefiting from that. Nobody.

No one's benefiting. You holding back.

Yeah.

Your true self or. So how do you handle criticism? You just.

Yeah.

Handle over the achievement. Right. Just don't say nothing. Right. I see more. Right.

Yeah. This thing called life gonna keep on rolling. Just ignore it. I mean, if I. I'm my worst critic. So if I have a bad show, if I do something I don't like or wish I didn't do, I am upset at myself more than other people are going to be anyway.

Now you're a realist.

Yeah. So I'm not interested in the opinions of people that are easily upset by almost anything.

How do you feel about crypto, man? You got phantom wallet. How do you get your money in crypto?

Well, Jamie and I have been talking about starting our own bullshit coin.

That'd be dope, not bullshit coin.

I thought you were gonna do a pull it up, Jamie coin. No. No.

What about the buttcoin? You heard of buttcoin?

No. What's.

But the dodging Dodge coin? Dodging? I write a shirt today. A Dodge New Dodge coin. I mean, it's a bunch of coins.

There's like a million coins, right? How many coins are.

Yeah.

The meme coins. It's over.

Yeah. What do you mean, the meme coin?

It all fell apart. Like when? This week? Yeah, Jamie, for real.

Everything fell apart.

Why did it fall apart? Because ever. It's nonsense. This is. I hope we didn't ruin it by talking about it. Could have. I don't know.

I'm thinking about launching a meme coin.

I don't. I Don't know. I'm not making Portoy kind of exposed it. It's all. It's at all. It's over. Because Portnoy was the only one that was looking at going, am I going to jail? Like, is this legal?

Yeah, I feel like you should. I was thinking about lodging a coin myself. That's really legit. That you don't own you. You don't sell it, you don't rip it that way. If it tank, they make their money. I feel like you could go to Focus XYZAB and check it out.

Is that yours?

Yeah.

Okay, so. So you promise not to pump and dump?

Yeah. No, pump and dump is unruggable. Like, nobody could pump and dump it.

Oh, you can't pull the rug out.

Yeah, you can't pull the rug out. So that way it just stay and grows. Because that's why I feel like that's what people get in trouble with. All these coins just pumping dump. People don't want to be scammed or fucked over or manipulated. So I feel like you got to have. For me to make one coin, I feel like we got to make one that won't sell a tank unguardable one that you could focus on. I think I'm going to put it out now. It's on Focus XYZ ab.

There was this one coin that Hamzat Chamayev, the UFC fighter, released. That was. They. They were claiming that he did a pump and dump. And there was like, you ripped off your fans. I'm like, yeah, you can't rip off your fans. You can't rip off your fans, obviously. But also, I don't know if the people that are buying those coins are fans. I think they're gamblers. I think those people are just gamblers. And they're just trying to figure out, okay, if I buy in now and, you know, they're making money, they probably got like their finger over the sell button waiting for it to get to a certain number and it cash out and cash out.

It's like the casino at that 100%, but it's.

It's more rigged than the casino because the casino, like, the person playing it can't rig it. But this. The person playing it is rigging it. The person buying the coins can rig it. Like, if you. Especially if you get a famous guy like Hamza or someone else to tweet about it and make it a big deal, and then the price goes up, and then you just pick a peak, peak number, and when it hits that number like, that's it.

Yeah. You can't People over people. No one's feeling good without their no decision.

But also, who are these people? And why'd they think they were going to make money on bullshit coins?

Yeah.

Like, what is Are we. You know what I'm saying? Like, do we Are we mad at the casino when someone blows all their money playing roulette? No. We're like, well, that's what you signed up for. Like, you could have won money. Like, people win money in roulette.

Yeah.

Or they don't. But if you lose all your money. Roulette. We're not mad at the casino.

No.

So why we mad their money in meme coins? You know, it's like, what the fuck did you think was gonna happen to the gamble? Yeah, you. You're literally buying a coin that's like a little doggy face. And you youu took your whole life savings and you gambled on a doggy face coin? That's what, A fake money coin. Explain that to me.

Dumbass of the day.

That's dumbass of the day.

Yeah, right?

It's like and again, I feel terrible for anybody who got tricked into doing that shit, but I think most of those people are not getting tricked. They're like, scamming.

Yeah.

They're trying to figure out they're hustling. They're trying to figure out when to.

Buy and make it big.

Yeah, but the weird thing is, like, a guy like Portnoy can tweet about a coin, and then once he makes that post, the coin goes up and then he sells and he makes a million dollars. He's like, is that okay? Like, is that legal? Well, it turns out it is legal.

Yes.

That's totally legal to do. Yeah, but, like, shouldn't there be some fucking regulations? Because you can't do that with a lot of things. If you did that with the stock market, wouldn't you be in trouble if you did that with the stock market? Like, if you tweeted about a stock and then that stock went up and then you sold right away. Like, if you like I'm bullish on this stock. And then that stock goes up and then you sell right away. Is that a pump and dump? It is, right? Yeah. It's not. Is that totally legal talking? The microphone, bro. I have no idea why that wouldn't be illegal. But that's. You can't. That's not pumping. But it but you're promoting it, right? That's not pumping. No, pumping literally is. You're Putting money up. Okay, so you're putting money to elevate. The price has to be seen. There has to be something. Right. Look at. Yeah, so. So that's the question. So it all starts out with some real money. Yeah. Right.

You got to put something in on it. You can't just start off. You gotta have your money.

How much money?

How much ever you could put.

How much does a coin like it all start? It literally depends. That's. It's over. I'm telling you, this is over. It's not worth learning it now, but Jamie's funny. It's over. You know what that means? That means Jamie's stockpiling. No, I'm trying to bring down the price. Don't you feel it?

He's trying to get it. Get the ups.

He's trying to bring down the price. If I was. That says. That's not how this game works. I know. The opposite of how it would work. If you don't have to lie to us. We love you. All right.

See, I seen you get high with Elon Musk on here. He hit the joint and it's like.

Allegedly he hit the. Allegedly.

Allegedly.

Yeah.

Alleged.

I like that he got in trouble for that.

I know.

Cuz he has top secret clearance.

Yeah, I figured he was.

Think about that. We can't show that on YouTube anymore. YouTube is.

YouTube is not liking the smoke.

YouTube is taking some. Some precautions.

Protect smokes. Man. 56.

This stuff that you have is legal in 50 states.

Yes.

I don't even want to ask how. I just trust you.

Base smokes. Base smokes.

How's it legal in 50 states? I'm gonna ask how.

Base smokes, Right? Base smokes. You guys explain us. I know how it's legal. How base Most got the paperwork. He figured it out.

Well, it all.

I think he got him. You sell hemp as well?

Oh, okay.

So that was the key about it. To be able to get the clearance in 50 states based.

I don't know how the DEA feels about that, but I feel like we're just a few years away from it being completely legal. I know Kamala was saying that she wanted to make it legal. She got into office.

Yeah. That's the best thing she ever said.

Coffee.

Yeah.

I hope Trump does it too. Yeah, I really do. Because it's stupid. It's. I mean, if you don't want to smoke pot, don't smoke pot. If you don't want to drink whiskey, don't drink whiskey.

She had a choice.

Yeah. Just give people choice. Don't. And don't tell me it's all bad for you. Stop. You don't know. You don't know. You obviously don't smoke weed. Shut your mouth.

You dig?

It's gonna make you lazy and ruin the children. No, no. You have lazy kids. You get kids high, they get paranoid. When they get paranoid, they work hard.

Yeah.

You start picturing yourself old in your deathbed, like, what did I do? Like, oh, my God, I gotta get to work.

Get you going.

Sometimes a little paranoid is good for you. Yeah, I like it.

I gonna put that fire in you to get. Go get going.

Yeah. Comfort is the worst poison that a man can consume.

Don't seek comfort.

No, no, no, no.

Not commit to be the difference.

Yeah. You get en when you earn it. You know, long day's work, you want to come home, sit in front of the television, watch a little Netflix, have a good time, have a nice meal at a restaurant. Yeah, yeah. You earned that. But don't think that's what you want out of life. I just want to retire and drink. Jordan Peterson talked about this. He said, what's your vision of retirement? It's like, is your vision of retirement sitting on the beach, drinking margaritas? Like, how long do you think you can do that for?

Maybe a day.

Yeah. Two days, A week? Two weeks? You're going to be depressed. You have no purpose in life.

Yeah.

I think the problem really is that a lot of people don't have any purpose while they're working. Like, a lot of people aren't fortunate to pursue a career in football and to be, you know, a podcaster or something. They enjoy. They're doing something that sucks. So they can't wait until they don't have to do the thing that sucks. And they think, oh, I could just be free just to lay around and do nothing. Like, man, you better find something to do. You better go play golf.

Life's always about being driven. The moment you think is you can stop and just not do nothing, then, yeah, you're going to be stopped. You got to keep going.

Exactly.

Yeah.

That's what I tell all my friends to start getting successful. You know, people like, oh, you made it. You could relax. Now I go, listen to me. There is no made it that is made it. When you're done, there's no. There's no made it. Made it is not real. It is just life.

Exactly.

You live in life, you're successful. Good. That means you have an obligation to work harder to keep it rolling.

Hold up. That's Standard. You gotta stand it to it.

You gotta keep going. Yes. You gotta push it harder now. But there's no. Made it. There's no. No holding hands and walking out into the sun.

That's just the mentality for people. And that contentment. Just wanted to be content in regards of everything's done, right? Yes.

They want to get off work. That's what it is. They want to get off work.

I'm gonna go do some. On their own time.

Yeah. Because most people are not really living. They're just surviving. They're just. Just existing, doing what they have to do. Yeah. And the only time they feel like they're living is they're hanging out with their friends, having fun, relax. But you can't do that professionally. So you find something. You got to find something you enjoy as much as your hobbies. Figure out how to do that.

Gotta live life, you know? I mean, healthy.

Yeah.

Exercise what you eat.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yes. When you first started posting Wild on Twitter, did. Did anybody ever call you and go, hey, man, of course.

Everyone. They're like, bro, what the. Like, calling my phone, like, bro, you idiot. You calling people crackers now? I'm like, bro, It's. It's uncomfortable. Sense of humor for comedy, bro.

Well, cracker is the most benign of all insults. That doesn't work at all.

That's what I'm saying. Everyone love crackers.

Yeah. No one.

Crackers, cheeses.

No one's upset.

I just feel like when they first started, when I first started, like, what the hell is you doing out of the day? They're like, whoa, yeah, you know, I was like, you know what? It's not meant to, like, it's meant to bring people up to say, like, yo, we could have a funny moment, like, for fun. Yeah.

Yeah, fun.

Enjoy yourself, man.

Enjoy yourself. Yeah, we. We need a lot more of that. And. But I think, you know, we were conditioned because of the way the old Twitter worked to be very careful of what you said, very cautious of what you said. And also, there was real consequences.

Yeah.

You wouldn't just get banned from Twitter. You might get banned from Facebook and everything else as well, and then get labeled a dangerous person.

I remember when one of my football friends, Rashad Minnehall, back in the days, he tweeted. It was like, 2012, he tweeted about, like, 9, 11 when he was playing. And I remember right away, they had, like, the feds calling his phone, newspaper. It was. It was crazy.

What did he say?

He just, like, I don't think we should be celebrating the death. I think the death of Osama bin Laden, I think, was for the 911 attack. I think in 2012. I think he must. We just killed him. America just had killed him. So I feel like he tweeted something and it was like back. That's when back on Twitter was like, you was limiting with. Yeah, that was a prime example of, you know.

And did they attack him?

Yeah, attacked him all over the news. I think that was his last year with the Steelers.

Really?

Literally.

They got rid of him because of a tweet?

Yeah.

God damn. What did he say?

9 11. Shout out to Rashad Minihal. Man, that's my brother.

Yeah, The. That was a dangerous time to say controversial. You'd lose your whole career and you couldn't get it back.

Yeah, yeah, it'll be over.

You couldn't get it back back then. I mean, it was. There was no. Nobody rebounded from those days. Like, there was people that had, like, big public Personas and then they kind of got removed from the conversation. And even when they got brought back years later, they were so devastated out of it.

Yeah. So, yeah, traumatized. They had CTE by that time.

Like legit. They're trauma. Like you. You're legitimately worried. So what does he say? Mendenhall's post, day after bin Laden news broke, said, what kind of person celebrates death? It's amazing how people can hate a man they have never heard speak. We only heard one side. He also tweeted September 11 attacks. We never know what really happened. I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down, demolition style. The latter post is eventually removed by Mendenhall's Twitter page. Wendy's offering was a different story. I appreciate those who've decided to read this letter, attain a greater understanding of my recent Twitter post, see if they've gotten misconstrued. And I wanted to use this outlet as a way to clear up things that do not truthfully represent myself, what I stand for personally, and any organization that I'm a part of. First, I want people to understand I'm not in support of bin Laden or against the USA. I understand how devastating 911 was, this country and to the people whose families were affected, not just in the usa, but families all over the world who had relatives in the World Trade Center. My heart goes out to the troops who fight for our freedoms every day, not being certain if they will have the opportunity to return home, and the families who watch their loved ones bravely go off to War.

Last year, I was grateful enough to have the opportunity to travel overseas to participate in football camp and put on for the children of US Troops sanctions in Germany. It was a special experience. These events had a significant impact in my life. Oh, point out the celebrates death tweet. This controversial statement was something I said in response to the amount of joy I saw in the event of murder. I don't believe this is an issue of politics or American pride, but one of religion, morality, and human ethics. See, that's the problem with tweets, because you're writing something, it's 120 characters back then, and it's just, you know, a complicated issue. Like that thing like, maybe we shouldn't be celebrating death. Maybe we shouldn't be celebrating murder. You know, maybe we should. Instead of, like, having joy and cheering, maybe we should wonder how that guy got into the position he's in in the first place. Like, what happened? If you know the whole history of Osama bin Laden, it's kind of fucking crazy because he worked for us. He was the head of the Mujahideen.

Yeah, yeah.

And we trained them. The CIA trained them to fight against the Soviets. And, you know, we. We fucking armed those people, supplied them, got them going, and then they. You know, after a while, they're like, these people, they turn on America, and instead of being our ally, they were our worst enemy. What are you doing over there? Snapchat. What's going on?

No, I was. You don't Snapchat, dude, I want to be Snapchat.

No, the kids Snapchat.

My.

My kids don't even text. They just snap. Their friends, they're in the middle of the movie theater or something that you, like, take a weird face, send it to their friends, like, what are you doing? This is a weird way to communicate.

Snapchat has got all the filters of the face. You could just make okay with the text.

Kids are just all in addicted.

I was just texting my son.

You know, another thing that's weird, too, is they all have a Snap map, so they know where they are. They're like, oh, she's with him. That, you know, like, you see. You see where all your friends are? Yeah, you, like. You got a map of all your friends that you let. It's weird, man. They're all surveillance experts standing on the map. Yeah, they're all little narcs. They're all knocking on each other. But the crazy thing is they give it up to each other. They all, like, you have to. If you have friends, you have to let your friends know where you are in the snap map. And if you block it, like if you block temporarily. What is she doing?

Where do you go?

What is he up to?

You off the grid?

He's off the grid. What this? What is he doing?

How's it going?

Yeah, man. Kids today, they don't have any privacy.

Nah, not everything is spoiled.

Everything's exposed.

Yeah.

What year were you born?

88. 1988.

Okay, so by the time you were 20 years old, phones were just starting to arrive, right? Like 98. Remember the sidekick?

Yeah, flip it over.

I was so jealous. Like wow, you got a keyboard.

Yeah, that's cool. Crazy.

You got a little keyboard. And then people sidekicks were getting hacked. Remember Paris Hilton? Some photos got out. I believe.

She had design a vagina.

Maybe she just had a pretty one. Some girls are just born with a pretty one.

Crazy.

But some girls do get designer vaginas, which is like ladies, you don't have to do that. Don't do that. We don't care what it looks like. Yeah, like I don't mind a little chaos down there.

I don't mind a little Harry Potter.

Yeah, you don't have to.

You know, I hit it with my wand.

Still you have to trim it up, make it look like the perfect wonton. That's not necessary.

If it's hairy to me, it's not really. Been spanked a lot.

I don't know if that's true. There's a lot of hairy ladies with loose morals.

Damn. Yeah, I thought a hairy pussy is not a busy pussy.

It depends on what she's doing with it.

She might just let it work because nobody getting it.

Maybe, maybe she cleaned it off.

That means she's getting ready to give it.

But you man, I guess dudes do get dick operations, right? Because they get circumcised. That's a dick.

Look, it must be a shortage of dick I hear. How much I'm getting.

Well, that's always the story is that 80 of the women are dating 20 of the men. That's. That's the real story. That's the reality. 80% of the women are attracted to and are dating or. Excuse me. Yeah, 80 of the women are attracted to and are dating 20 of the men. Always. So that's why there's so many incels in this world.

Too many ratios.

So many dudes just jerking off playing video games. Nobody wants them. Yes, and that's a self fulfilling prophecy because if you keep jerking off and playing video games, you're Never going to succeed in life. Yeah. No one's ever going to look at you like.

You're never gonna get the opportunity.

Yeah, exactly. Damn, I'm glad I'm so bored in this era.

Yeah.

This is a terrifying era to navigate for kids. Also, the ability to send a dick picture when you're 15. That's crazy.

Yeah. You could just pop it out.

Yeah. That's not.

Yes.

That's too much responsibility for a young man. A young man. A nuclear weapon. He can't handle that. Yeah, That's.

That's too much movie.

That's way too much. That's way too much. And then they all got porn now, which is even crazier.

It's too. Too available nowadays. Too much at the finger. These kids.

Yeah, instantaneously. Not just porn, but murder, man. Me and my friend Tom Segura. Do you know Tom Segura?

I heard his name.

He's hilarious. You need to do his show. He would. He would have you on. Yeah, yeah. Your mom's house. It's a great podcast, a huge podcast. But he and I send each other every day. The worst we could find on the Internet. Wow. The worst that comes across across my Instagram feed. I sent it to Tom. It's every day someone get murdered.

Worst shit out of the day. Some craziness on there, right? It's always something like, wow.

And it's not one time a day. Multiple times a day. We're traumatizing each other.

What the hell is this?

Today was a dude who crashed his motorcycle right into a gas truck. This dude just rode his motorcycle. The. The bike explodes, catches on fire. The tank explodes. The dude gets cooked.

Damn.

Yeah.

He just went fried turkey one day.

He's riding his motorcycle, enjoying freedom, and then a second later, boom. I've seen every horrible video that's on the Internet. Every one of them.

That's crazy. That's. That's ludicrous. The Internet is undefeated. But it is our shit. Like, we run the Internet.

Yes. It's. It's. It's open.

Yeah.

That's the beautiful thing. Like, you get these memes. I don't even know who's making them. And they're hilarious. And they're just coming. Someone's texting them to you.

And like, all the time. I seen one, I see one today, I posted. It was like, the wrestling guy has said no condoms. And then Elon Musk, I was like, I don't like condoms either. So I could have put my name. Yeah.

Elon Musk has how many Kids, now that we know of.

I ain't knew he was getting so much pussy. I thought Elon Musk was a calm guy.

I wouldn't say he's calm. I mean, I think it's going back to like the Kanye Ferrari engine analogy. It's the same kind of thing. It's just in a different realm. That's what he is with, like, rocket science and car design and he's spaceship.

Spaceship in the.

Exactly. Also, like, when you are literally the richest man in the world, it just.

Come to you, right?

What are his DMS like?

Like his DM jumping out the gym, huh?

Full of titties.

His DMS must be full of bitties, huh? Back shots everywhere.

Everything, everything. Squats and fingers and sucking on bananas. It's like his. His DMS must be wild.

He's got a movie theaters in his dm.

There's girls just thinking, like, what's the move? What's the right thing to send him, you know?

Sean Kingston, My God, loves you. No, he's calling, right? He never met Sean Ken. He's calling me right now, cuz.

He. What's up?

Yo, Sean.

What's up, Sean? What's going on, my man? How you doing?

I'm a huge fan, man. We got to do an interview, man. That's my brother you got up there, man. Antonio Brown is my brother, man.

All right, man. Well, cool. That sounds great. I love him, man.

I would love to go up there. What's up? Hey, what's up, baby? Here with Joe right now.

We're live right now.

You live right now, Sean? Yeah. Shout out to Joe Rogan. The best podcast.

Can I curse? Yeah, you're allowed. You're allowed.

It's the best podcast. I go to sleep watching this. This man taught so many. This man got knowledge of a man.

Listen, thank you, sir. Appreciate you, man. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Love you, brother. Call you out the brother. Yeah, they want this side. Everyone excited I'm here. Even Theo Vaughn told me, play some trick daddy.

Oh, okay.

Everyone loves you.

Theo's the best.

Deal's the man.

I love that dude.

He's the best.

He's so unique.

Yeah, he's different.

I don't know anybody like him.

Yeah, got the. The mullet going. He's right.

And just the way he talks like he's so ridiculous.

Yeah, he got the country. Country.

Theo and I went to dinner the other night, and we're sitting at the table eating dinner for an hour and a half. We're just non stop crying, laughing Just crying, laughing at the end, like, my sides hurt. When we got out from the table, I was like, oh, my God, that was so much fun. So having friends like that is the best because, like, everywhere you go, it's like you have a personal show.

Yeah. Always entertaining.

Yeah. We just always around having fun.

What about Shane Gillis? He's the best. He's the best, right?

He's the best.

He's hilarious.

Yeah. We were just hanging out Tuesday night.

Yeah.

Yeah. Shane's awesome. He loves you too.

Yeah, that's my heart.

Yeah. All my comedian friends love you. They're all sharing your. All the time. Yeah. He was excited when he got cracker the year, too.

He's amazing. He's killing it too.

He is. He's killing it. He's so funny, man.

Yeah.

And he's such a good guy. Like, he's such a genuine.

You can just see by Smile, 100% guy.

Just sweetheart of a guy. And, you know, I'm just glad there's more people like that in the world.

Yeah. We need more people like that like him.

Yeah.

World that's just, you know, pure. Doing what they love. Giving back comedy, making people light up.

Yeah. And spreading fun again. Back to the same thing that you do. Fun.

Yeah, fun. These people enjoy themselves again. You know, this be our natural selves. Make the uncomfortable a little comfortable and a little fun.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, especially in today's era of everybody. We're getting past the days where everything was, like, tight and everybody was going crazy, and I think things are lightening up. And thank. Thanks to Elon buying X, that had a huge impact because I think people realized that it wasn't just them that was thinking things had gone too far. It was most people. But they didn't have a way to express themselves because if they said it, they got attacked.

Yeah. No one wanted to ruin what they built up for a couple seconds on what they say.

Exactly.

It takes so long to build your.

Yeah, like we just showed.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. You lose everything.

Everything for one moment.

Yeah. So you're sitting there, maybe you got a couple of drinks in you, and you're like, you know, I got to fucking say something. Like, someone needs to be there to grab your hand.

Like, you know, calm that shit down. No, ruin everything. You built this.

Do it.

Don't take yourself out the game.

But I think now if you do that, people go, yeah, I'm glad you said that, because I was thinking the same thing. Like, now it's different because people feel like they can express Themselves, which is the real danger of censorship. Even if you don't agree with what someone is saying, you got to let them say it. Because if you don't, someone's going to limit what you say. And that's just the nature of free speech.

Exactly. I feel like we all have the right to own opinion, no matter if it's right or wrong. It's European.

We 100%. Look, you don't have to go to your Twitter page. You don't have to go to my Twitter page. You don't have to listen to this podcast.

Yeah, it's your option.

It's your option, but you should have that option.

Yes.

And you should have the option to express yourself. You should also have the option to say things. And if you think that it was misconstrued. Do what he did and lay it all out. This is how I really feel. This is my actual feelings. And I feel like if you read that, he should have been completely forgiven. The idea that they traded him after that, that's disgusting. Because that's also censorship. Because now you're encouraging other people to keep their mouth shut.

Exactly. Showing them the rules. What is going. The aftermath of what's gonna come if you do that.

100.

So it's grateful that we in better times and things getting better.

Yeah.

We're able to express themselves more on. On the X app. And thanks Elon Musk. Giving us. Giving us that good. You know.

Yeah.

I think freedom of speech.

I think the country's moving in a good direction. As long as we can avoid this fucking war. As long as we could avoid war and war with China and war with Russia and everybody else. If we could just avoid that, I think we're gonna be okay. We just got to make it through some weird.

Yes.

And UFOs.

And UFOs. You saw those UFOs.

Yeah, man. They're everywhere. I don't know what to think. Some days I think they're all. They're. We're being visited and some things. Some days I think it's all the government. It's all. It's all drones.

Some tech, maybe some.

What do you think it is?

Maybe. Maybe we need to just call the Men in Black. Well, see if they know the Men.

In Black I think are real. I think that's government agents that come visit you after you've had some sort of an experience.

Maybe.

I think that's what it is. I mean, there's always been these stories of men in Black coming to visit people after they've had Encounters?

Yeah.

I mean, it makes sense if you're yapping about some shit, especially if it's actually some government shit that they're working on. And then, you know, some. Two men in suits come up. And when you see two men show up in a Cadillac in suits, you automatically assume they're serious people. They get out with black suits, black ties, and they look at you and they tell you, hey, Antonio, we like to talk to you about your encounter. And then you're like, oh, I'm in trouble. And then they're doing some hypnosis on you and some mind control, you know, and talking, bringing you in a room, and then you leave. You don't know what the happens, what happened. Antonio got visited by the men in black. That's what I think the men in black is. I think it's government agents investing investigators.

Gotta be.

Or if there's like a legitimate UFO sighting, like something legitimately that the government doesn't know what the it is. I think then also they would send people who are authority figures. What better authority figure than a man in a suit?

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah. Random as fuck.

Yeah. Will Smith. Men in black wearing a suit. I don't think they really can erase your memory.

They didn't go poop. I don't think they can do that.

But I do think that they probably use mind control on you. They probably hypnotized you. They probably manipulate the way you think, especially if you're under stress, if you're nervous, like you think you could be in trouble, like something's going on, it gets. You know.

Yeah, I remember Tony Robbins kind of did that to me one time.

He did it to you?

Yeah. You know Tony Robbins?

What did he do?

He did that kind of hypnosis me a little bit.

Really?

Yeah.

How did he do it?

You got like, just sink some stuff in my spirit. Just like, yo, AB go in the super bowl. See yourself like this.

Oh, really?

Yeah. Tony Robbins, really amazing. I met him through Tom Brady.

Does Tom Brady use them too?

Yeah.

So he, like, does like mind coaching for you.

I was. I put you right to sleep.

Everything, really?

Yeah.

So what. How does it explain it to me? Like, lay it out.

How does it kind of like, you know, I mean, close your eyes. You just say a lot of stuff and just bringing in, just kind of put in your spirit. You know Tony Robbins, right?

Sure.

Famous, bro.

I read his books when I was 21 years old in 1988. I was reading his book when I was trying to like, figure out how to make it. In comedy, I got a. It was like a cassette thing. Like, you have a bunch of cassettes and there's like. Each one has, like, work books that you're supposed to, like, fill out stuff and goals and all these different things. It's. He's got, like, legit great information.

Yeah, I want to see him in Boca raton. Maybe like 2020. Right before got with Tampa Bay, it was like, yo, you're gonna win the super bowl, man. You're gonna make a big catch. See yourself. Really, you lock it in. In my spirit, just like, it's pretty cool, man. Shout out to Tony Robbins.

I think there's something to that.

He got a real good manifestation and just.

Yeah.

Downloading and programming your body just for just seeing yourself at that place. Like it was another level.

I think that works. I think there's limitations to it. I don't think you could take like a sloppy accountant and say you're gonna beat Mike Tyson. You know what I'm saying?

Just do that.

It doesn't work like that. But I think if you're already talented and you're already in the game and you could. You could put some things in your mind and you could. You can make some things happen. Yeah, I think there's a little bit of something to that.

Yeah.

But it's not everything. It's like, that's. Why. Did you ever see that movie the Secret?

Of course. That's a nice book, too.

Yeah, yeah.

So the Secret, some of those things. Right.

It's about one aspect of it, but they concentrate too much on the one aspect. The one aspect is the visualization, which I think is an aspect like imagining, speaking it into being. That's one aspect. But there's a lot of other shit. There's talent, there's hard work, there's good coaching.

Discipline.

There's discipline. Discipline is probably the most important.

Yeah. The most important.

As a football player, you must have felt like that, right?

Of course. Discipline is the way you. Pre eminent success.

Yes.

You go there on the road trips and you messing with girls and get.

Not getting sleep.

Yeah. Not getting sleep. Not eating the right foods.

Exactly.

Not making your workouts and hitting those. Studying that film. Discipline, the most important.

It's so important for everything in life. So to think that the Secret is the only thing. You just have to think around and visualize it like it's not the only thing.

Anything.

No, it's. It's an aspect that I think is real. But the problem is people put so much emphasis on it that it Becomes. It becomes like, woo, Woo. They don't think it's real, but it is. It is an aspect. You know, Mike Tyson used to get hypnotized.

Gotta hypnotize yourself. I feel like it just make your vision a part of your spirit anytime you, you know, because I feel like you could write stuff down, Right. Affirmations. Affirmations. You could set goals, but to meditate on them and make them a part of your spirit, like.

Yeah.

It's different.

Yeah. To deeply think about them. Embed them in your consciousness. Yeah.

Make them a part of you.

Yeah. And then do all the work that's required.

Do all the little things.

Yeah. You got to do all that too. So that it can manifest, everything come together. Yeah. So that it can happen.

Yeah.

And even then it might not happen.

Yeah.

Like, you might not have done it. Right. You maybe need more work.

You got to put all together again.

Maybe you need more discipline, maybe you need more hard work, maybe you better coaching. But it's. It's an aspect of success in life, you know? And I think with everything, with being a good parent, with being a good father, with being a good husband, with being a good friend, with being a good employee, a good boss, like, with everything, like, everything. You have to, like, have a mindset of what you're trying to accomplish.

Absolutely.

A vision.

And you gotta make it a part of you. Not just writing down.

Yeah.

Just making every aspect, every step if you're gonna have success. A party.

How many times did you do that with Tony Robbins?

I did it like three times.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, so this house in Boca Raton.

Did the first time freak you out? Because the first time was probably the weirdest.

The first time I was a little weird. But then when I, like, then when I went to sleep and woke up, I'm like, dang, I'm. I feel refreshed. I feel like. You know what I'm saying? I feel like, Right. I got some new feelings in myself because I feel at that point I was going through stuff in the NFL and I was kind of like, was pissed off because I kind of knew, like, man, these guys could just get you out your spot whenever you want. But it was just like, I finally realized that, you know what? It's not even about me being right in the situation. It's about just being happy. Like, what made me happy in a situation instead of just focusing on, man, I'm right, man, they did this. I was right.

Right.

I mean, just let it go and be happy.

Well, for a player, the Best revenge is to be undeniable.

Yes.

Right. People could talk all that shit, but when you're undeniable, they got to give it up. They got to give it up. That's the best revenge always. And I think that's probably the case in everything in life.

Yeah.

Is to be undeniable. If you're undeniable, everybody's got a shuttle.

Yeah. Yeah.

They all got to shut the fuck up. And if they don't shut the fuck up, they look foolish.

Yeah. Now they're like, it is.

Yeah.

Like a fool. Yeah. Talking for no reason because you know what happened.

Exactly.

You know, he's just a hater at that point.

Oh, there's so many haters.

Yeah.

There's so many haters.

You gotta love your ops.

Yeah.

Haters make you, you know, go harder.

They make you work harder.

Yeah. Make you. They bring the best out of you.

Oh, yeah, they do. Haters are good. Fat shaming works.

Yeah.

All that stuff. Like, haters like that. The. The. The anger, that jealousy. Mean. Like, that motivates people.

Yeah.

Too much. You just don't want too much, you know, it's like overkill.

But just a little tab.

If you get a little bit of snake venom every day, you get immune to snake venom.

Yeah.

Yeah. But if you get a big dose, it'll kill you.

Yeah. Take you out the game.

Yeah. Don't be, like, reading all your hate all day long. That's not good for you either. But a little.

A few haters lets you know you're.

On the right track.

Yeah. Now you transact.

Yeah. You want. You want a few haters. If you don't have haters, it means you're not doing good. Haters. Yeah.

I mean, you.

Everybody who's doing great gets haters. Some haters are hilarious, though. Some haters are so dumb. It's like you wonder if they're real people. Like, for fighters. It's my favorite. Like. Oh, he's a. Like. What. What are you talking about? That man is literally a professional fighter, and you're calling him a. That's one of the craziest things I've ever heard.

Every fighter thinks every. Every other fighter's a.

They do?

Yeah.

They think they're. Yeah. Well, that's the thing about alpha males. They think they're the only one that's an alpha male. They don't think there's someone out there exactly like them.

Exactly.

And maybe a little faster, maybe a little stronger.

Maybe balls a little bigger.

Yeah.

Maybe some more testosterone.

Yeah. Maybe hands A little bigger. Jaws a little wider. See that little edge? Little edge allows them to survive the firefight. Yeah. How much UFC do you watch?

I watch Real Z every Saturday.

Do you really?

I love Bone Jones. I love fighting. I feel like if I wasn't a player, I probably would have gotten into some sort of fighting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Did you ever do any martial arts at all?

No. When I was little, my mom signed me up for karate.

Yeah.

Do a little jujitsu.

Oh, cool. Okay. Yeah, but never like real. Got serious with it.

No.

A couple might be a fun hobby for you.

I like training and working out with it. Grappling, wrestling.

Jiu jitsu is what I meant because that way you don't get hit.

Yeah.

Like, I stopped sparring when I was like 27.

Yeah.

It's just you. They count.

Yeah.

Counts. They all count.

All those little dinks, huh?

All those little. They all count. Bang. They all count.

Yeah. It all like she's gonna add up.

It all adds up to some weird brain. It doesn't quite work right, but.

Yeah.

This weekend's a big one, man. Pereira and Ankala.

That's a bit. Yeah. Pereira been kicking ass too. He lost the last one though, right? He's ready to bounce.

No, no, he won. He. The last time he lost was against Israel Adesanya. That was four fights.

Begin his ass with a little bit, right. He's been fighting too much. He fight like back to back to back.

Well, he took a lot of time off, but, you know, he lost to Imov, who's very, very good. And he lost to Druckus Duple. C was the champion before that, but he was winning that fight. But he got caught and then he got strangled, you know, I mean, it's hard to stay on top, man. It's hard to stay on top. And when he was in his prime, when he was dominating the division, he was the man.

He was going crazy.

He's. It's not like he's lost his skills, man. It's just. This is a tough sport.

Sport, huh?

It's a tough sport. And the sport does not rest. The sport keeps.

Everybody's coming.

These guys coming up every year they're better. Every year they're more complete. There's no like one dimensional fighters anymore. They can all do everything.

All these guys could just freaking bang out.

They could do everything. The best guys today are all. They're all super multifaceted. They all can do everything. But then you have guys like, like Pereira, who's really a specialist. He's a Kickboxing specialist.

Yeah, he's fire.

Do you ever watch him kickbox?

Nah, it's crazy.

I was a giant fan of his before he ever got to the ufc. I was telling everybody about him. Like, if this guy gets to mma, we got problems. You got problems. Okay. He just has to touch you once.

Shit's going down.

He's. He's so different than anybody else in the division. Like, he knocks. Everybody. Everybody hits hard. They all hit hard, but he hits hard, hard, hard. You know they have that punch machine.

Oh, yeah. You can see the power. What's his power?

190. Francis Ngannou had like 130.

Oh, yeah, he got punch power.

He's got more power than.

That's crazy.

I mean, I can't even believe I want to give Francis a second chance at it. I feel like he wasn't swinging hard enough. If he. I feel like if he knows the.

Right, he would go.

He's so much bigger. I mean, Francis is like 270 natural. 270 pounds natural.

Like a hog walk.

Yeah. Just giant. Massive. And if I feel like he could probably punch harder than. Than he did, I feel like if he knew that Pereira was going to break that record. Give him a second crack.

A little harder. He probably punched it. A little more hip action.

Yeah, a lot more. Yeah. Just, you know. But right now, I think Pereira has the hardest. See if you can find that video. It's crazy to watch because he. He even does it with his right hand, which is not his power punch, his power punches, his left hook. His left hook is what he knocks out everybody with, but it might be that his left hook is faster and it's a better weapon because it's in the front and his right hand is more powerful, but he just doesn't land it as often that way. Did you find it? It's crazy. Just. You hear the thud. Put your headphones on real quick. Listen to this. Oh, you didn't get it yet. Okay, you got it. There's someone else talking about it. Okay, here we go. Put them on. What do you mean? X.com Full video retry. Oh, it disappeared. Somebody took. Here it is. That's not it. The picture. Oh, the video's got to be on there. Okay. Okay. Is that it? Yeah, here it is. Okay, give me some. Volume 191. Watch this. Check this out.

Oh, damn.

That's so.

Right hook.

You have to understand how crazy that is. That's. That's an insane amount of power. The hardest I've ever Kicked it.

You going now?

Yeah. The hardest I've ever kicked it with legs. Kicks are way harder. The hardest I ever kicked, it was like 152.

And he punching 170.

191.

Morning.

191. 191 with a punch. It's insane. His power is just. Yeah, he's playing from God. It's. It's like a. It's a crazy gift. It's. It's different than everybody's power.

Yeah. I never seen the kid. He beat up the other guy, Sonya.

Adesanya, he put him down. Well, he. He beat Adesanya in the first fight. Adesanya knocked him out in the second.

Fight, and he came back and beat him, right?

No, they didn't fight again. They never fought a third time. They fought before in kickboxing. They fought twice more, twice before that in kickboxing. One time, Israel lost a decision that I think he should have won. The second time, Pereira knocked him out. And then the third time, Pereira knocked him out in the ufc, and then the fourth time, Izzy knocked him out.

Yeah, that's when he did the fell with his son. Right. He acted like he fell with the sun. Yeah, he went crazy.

Crazy, yeah. That was awesome. But that's a big fight this weekend. I'm pumped. Uncle I have is good, man. That guy's really good.

He's. Fight night. How excited you get on fight night?

Very excited. How old have you ever been to one live?

I think I've been on one Live in Florida.

You should come this weekend.

Come on. Where is it?

Vegas.

Come on, let's go.

I'll hook it up.

Come on.

I'll get some tickets.

I'm coming to Vegas.

Let's go. I got you hooked up. That's it. I'll take care of it. I'll text the UFC as soon as we get out of here. Yeah, you'll love it. You'll love it. Live is like nothing else, man. Especially in Vegas.

Oh, Vegas. Not a level.

Oh, yeah. And this is like, the Vegas ones are always huge. And this is a big one. T mobile sold out. You know, world title fight, main event, light heavyweight title. I mean, and the undercards banging the undercards filled with fights, like killer fights. In the undercard, there's like six or seven fights, and I'm like, oh, side to see that.

All right.

Oh, yeah, man. Yeah.

Let's go.

Yeah. Fight night in Vegas is amazing. And then they have slap fight. Talk about CTEspn. Slap fight is on Friday night. That should be you should cover Slap Fight.

I would love to cover Slap Fight. That is hilarious, bro. They fighting on site.

Yeah. This smackdown dudes are getting.

That's the real smack.

Knocked into another dimension with a slap.

It's so Pakistan.

It's so crazy to watch. I just don't understand why people are signing up for that.

Yeah. Smack.

Because the thing about fighting is you're trying to not get hit. Like, if a punches are coming, you're trying to turn away, you're trying to move. You're getting your head off center line. If you're slapping, you're 100% gonna get hit.

Yeah.

You just have to sit there and take it.

Like, you gotta eat that.

Oh, no. And every time. Full blast. Every time you're standing still.

Yeah. He's just waiting on it to come.

Yeah, that's hilarious. It's. It's so crazy. Dana White keeps trying to get me to come see it. I'm like, okay, I'll go crazy. I'll go to one of these. But it's just so nuts.

Nah, that smack is another level.

Yeah.

Yeah. Just get a smack. Slap knockout.

I'm surprised, like, pro football players haven't signed up for that. Like, after, like, some dudes just want to do something.

Yeah.

Wild fellas that want to do something.

Smack. Just go. Just go smack somebody.

Yeah. The problem is that's crazy. I get. What do you do? You, like, flip a coin to see who gets to slap the first? Because that's somebody. That's the thing. Like, somebody has to hit you first. That's a huge disadvantage.

Yeah.

Because if you get slapped hard, you.

Ain'T gonna get the get back.

Exactly. I mean, I don't even know how it works. Like, if can you get really rocked and then they'll let you get slapped again.

I feel like, look, if you get.

Super rocked, like, your legs give out now. You don't really get up. Are you done? If you go down, are you done?

Yeah, you've done. Yeah.

What are the rules?

Your slap ain't worth a.

Aren't you supposed to hold something in your hand? 30 seconds.

You have 30 seconds to shake back.

That's a long time to recover. Something like that.

Yeah.

30 seconds is a long time to recover.

Yeah. That's just. Look. Yeah.

Oh, if you fall, there's like. Yeah, there are rules. Oh, so if you get knocked down, it's over.

Yeah. You smacked out.

What's next? Like, when are we gonna have gladiator fights? Well, they already do that in other countries that people put on Armor and fight with swords and shit.

Kill each other.

They don't kill each other, but they beat the fuck out of each other with swords and shields and shit. One dude was beating this dude in the head with a shield. I was like, what are we doing?

Covered like a timeout.

See, that's the good thing about MMA is that you don't get chances to recover, so you don't get to get knocked out again. Because a lot of these times guys get dropped and then they get a standing eight count. Like in boxing. That's particularly dangerous. You get a standing eight count, they clean off your gloves. Are you okay? You're like, yeah. Come forward and then you slowly getting your back together, but you're not back yet.

You're still just fighting to get back.

Yeah.

Out of it.

You're still out of walking and you're still like, you're. You don't know exactly what's going on.

You just like, what happened.

And then more part just, boom, the.

Kitchen sink hit you.

Whereas in mma, the fight would already been stopped.

Yeah, yeah, this guy's done.

But then the other side of it is in boxing, guys go down, flash, knock down, get back up. They're okay. They brush their gloves off and then they go back to fighting and they're all right, you know?

Yes.

Do you watch boxing at all?

I love boxing.

Did you see the Javante Davis Lamont roach fight?

That was trash.

Well, I thought it was a good fight.

You didn't think any fight. I just. Champion. God. Taking a knee. Talking about greasing his hair. Yeah.

That was crazy.

I'm like, yo, how you just in the middle of the fight, just go wipe your face.

Also, here's the deal. If you take a knee, that's.

That's a knockdown. That's a track too, Right.

You got hit with a jab.

Yeah.

You took a knee and then you walked off. Exactly. That is a knockdown. So I think they're reviewing that right now.

No, that guy should have lost. Maybe.

Well, I feel like if they do review it and they do judge it as a knockdown, which it was clearly a knockdown to everybody. You take a knee, that's a knockdown. I think often they will probably give it to Lamont. A very interesting rule they have I power slap. That kind of talks about what you guys were just discussing. Okay. The promoter bay but is not obligated to incorporate the following rule. For any event, for any specific category matches, such as title matches, a participant was the first defender in round one. And did not elect such position and B there is a KO or TKO finish of such participant in round one. Then after the referee declares a finish, a clock of two minutes begins. During this time, the defender is giving two minutes to recover and be examined by the supervising physician. If the supervising physician in consultation with the referee determines that the defender has established their fitness to continue and is without medical health risk for purposes of delivering one strike to the opposing participant within such two minute period and not receiving any further strikes as a defender, then the referee will announce the commencement of the redemption round and will instruct the striker to complete one permitted slap of their opponent.

If the return strike results in a KO or TKO finish of their opponent that matches to declared a draw, if the return strike has any other result, the match result stands. That's crazy. So you can get KO'd, you get finished, they give you two minutes to come back. And if you could knock that guy out, then it's a draw. They also haven't used the rule yet.

So you go knockout for knockout.

Boy, that rule looks like it's written by lawyers, doesn't it? Doesn't that rule written by lawyers? So find out what's happening because I think that we're going to announce something today about Lamont Roach. Gervonta Davis decision on the knockdown. It was a very good fight though. Lamont Roach is very good. I was really impressed because Tank is nasty. Tank is so powerful. He's so vicious. Like his, his one punch power at 135 is like nobody else is in the division. Like the, the way he starches people is crazy. He gets so much torque and power into his punches and he's so fast, he covers ground and black. His uppercuts, they're just devastating. So like for Lamont Roach, not just to survive, but you know, do some damage, to do damage and put him on the knee, basically bring it to a draw, which if they do change this because of that knee, it becomes a victory. That's. I want it. I think it should be a victory for him and I think they should do a rematch.

100%.

It's. Everybody saw it. You can't get around what everybody saw. Look, it wasn't a legit knockdown. Like he hurt Tank. Tank did have some shit in his eyes, but what are you doing putting in your hair when you have a world title fight? That's crazy.

No one want to hear about it in the middle of a fight that no one cares if the fly fly by. Drop the ball, bro. Drop the damn Ball. We don't care if a fly flew by your helmet or your eyes.

Yeah, nobody gives a. Yeah, you can't.

Be a championship fighter and taking a knee and putting on those type of performances.

Also, what are they putting in his hair that when he's sweating is dripping into his eyes? Like, what is that?

Yeah, bro, shake it right.

Yeah, exactly your head.

Who cares? Pretty boy, you better go get this fight.

Get those braids out of there. You don't need those. Yeah, he's a good looking guy. He doesn't need all that crazy braids and shit. Yeah, it's. It makes a rematch very exciting though. And I think that's great for Javante because other than Shakur, who's the. The other, you know, major star.

Yeah.

And then Lomachenko, if he decides to fight again, but other than that, there's.

Not a lot of challenges. Challenges.

So now this Lamont Roach fight becomes like the most compelling fight in the division for him.

That'd be pretty cool.

What? I don't know if this is the official response. This is wild. Is that what this is? Posted a day ago. I guess during the round in question, the following the commission's request for the replay video, there was a technical issue preventing the commission from receiving it within the allotted time to review. Therefore, the referee's in ring decision was relied upon and the fight continued. Yeah, I did see that. I thought that was what the instant replay. There was a technical issue. When they went to the corner, like right after the knockdown, they tried to go to an instant replay and it wasn't available. And so they said, what do we do here? And the referee wanted to start the fight again. Let the referee start the fight again. I thought this was saying they couldn't review this because of. Yeah, I have. Oh, you mean after. No, no, no. It was in the moment.

Only in the moment.

They couldn't get a tape. So this. No, you couldn't do that. That would be ridiculous. Oh, we still can't find it. Sorry. It's like. It's like Epstein's client list. Oh, can I find it? Looking for it. Trying to help, guys. Doing our best. Yeah, no, they obviously. Everybody's seen it. We've all seen it online. I saw it during the fight. I didn't even know the fight was going on. My friend Jamar texted me, you watching this Davis fight? I'm like, oh, I forgot. And I caught it in the 12th round. Then I went back and watched the whole thing the next day. It was a amazing fight. Amazing fight.

A lot of energy. I feel like people all. I feel like people used to tank, just knocking people out early in the round. So to see him go to the deep end.

Yeah.

12 rounds. Seeing that both of the guys was damaging each other and putting on a good fight was pretty.

It was a very good fight.

Amazing fight.

Very competitive fight. For a guy who doesn't have competitive fights. Yes, because Givenchy just steamrolls. He's undefeated. Steamrolls everybody. And everybody's scared of him. And Lamont was not scared of him. But they have fought in the amateurs before. I think they fought twice in the amateurs. But Lamont's a new star. That guy's super, super legit. Super legit and very skillful. Like the way. It wasn't just that, like, you know, like Gervonta didn't show up or Javante wasn't at his best. No. Like, Lamont fought a fantastic fight. You know what I'm excited for, man. Terence Crawford and Canelo.

That's gonna be a big one.

That's the one.

That's a huge fight.

The one Terrence is too small. He weighed. He weighed himself the other day. He was 185 pounds.

He just looks scrawny in the ring.

Well, he got out.

140. 150.

Well, he just won the 154 pound title. And you know, before that he fighting. He was fighting at welterweight, which is 147. But it's not like he has enough time to like thicken up a little bit. And if he's walking around at 185, that means he probably cuts a considerable amount of weight to get down to 54. But.

And now.

But I think he's getting thicker. And he was deadlifting £450 the other day.

Like you like deadlifts.

I think they're.

They can your back up them is trash, bro. You do a deadlift, you just your backup.

You can your back up.

Yeah. Like, it's no. Like I don't know who made up do deadlifts. That's the worst. Power lifters, like, for what though? Like, what is it? You never going to do that motion and fighting what is supposed to make your back strong.

It's supposed to make your overall chain strong. It's one of the best exercises to make your overall chain strong.

But because you're picking up the, the, the bar off the ground and there's already gravity.

Right. And a lot of stress on that lower back.

Super stress on your lower back and knees. You gotta Robert Oberst.

Robert Oberst. You know, he is. He's. He came in, he did the podcast once. He's a professional strong man. Like, one of the biggest you ever see. Like a house just like this big. He's like, don't do deadlifts.

Never do deadlift. It's gonna ruin your back, your knees, everything. You hurt yourself?

Yeah.

There's no position you're gonna put yourself in fighting that gonna make you bend over like that. The.

A lot of guys do them, though.

It's the worst thing you could ever do.

I've heard people say that if you do them correctly, they can decompress your back. And I'm like, you could do a.

Lot of more exercises for your back.

But I'm like, explain how. Explain how it can ever decompress your back.

You're pounding your back, you're picking up weights.

No matter what you do as you're lifting, even if you're like fully extending and stretching your body forward, you're. You're straining your backing your back. When you have that enormous amount of weight, there's no way you're not compressing your back.

Gotta compress your bag.

What about lighter deadlifts? About deadlifts.

Just like for my deadlifts is trash, man. You want to leg exercise? Work your hamstring, glutes and dudes calf raises or something else.

Do you do Nordic curls? Do you ever do Nordic curls?

Is the best.

You do those Tremendous.

Isolate your hams, right?

Yeah.

You want to work your leg and lower back. Do those. Yeah.

The first time I did, I was like, what? I couldn't do one.

Yeah. I was like, right away. Is no cheat.

Yeah. Yeah. No cheating. All hamstrings, all hands. Such a great exercise just to develop strength around your knees, too.

Yeah. That's isolation.

Yeah.

For hams.

So when you're in the NFL, like, what is the strength and conditioning program like for a receiver? Like, do they do. Do they tailor your strength and conditioning routines depending upon what position you play and depending on? So, like, for. For a guy like you.

Yes.

You obviously have to stay fast.

You got to be quick and twitchy. I feel like twitchy, and you got it. Yeah. Twitchy means of. To get out. Yeah. You got to be.

Yeah.

Elusive. Just body moment. But you want to have a lot of script, too. Just enough, because you're going to get hit pushed around in your shoulders and your legs and your glutes.

So what kind of stuff do they have? You do?

So me launches, single launches, explosive launches. When you're driving up hamstring curls, bench press, dumbbells, single arms, a lot of core rotations, you know what I mean? A lot of single leg calves, a lot of ankle work.

Do they have you do plyos?

For sure, plyos. Single leg jumps, two leg jumps, explosive sideways linear jumps.

And when they make a program for you, do they lay out like what the progress they're looking to achieve? Like, how do they. How do they do like a program for a guy like, you see the NFL, easy.

That's just really put me. It's a team made up of 50 players, 60 players. So sometimes the weight room usually just have usually specific sheets that, you know, guys follow with the training. But the more smarter you are, the more intuitive you are as a player individually, you know, you need to. For me, the little things that made me the difference, the working on little stuff like your arch. You might not think your arch is important muscle. How to work arch of your foot. The arch of your foot? Yeah.

Really?

Yeah. You know, gripping the towels with your big toe, grabbing the towel, working the arch, making your big toe go over here. Because your arch is no super important, but being a receiver, really, I never thought about that.

So you do like foot strengthening exercises.

Big toes running in the game and your big toe just give out, right?

That happens to guys, right?

Yeah.

Turf toe.

Turf toe, exactly. So it's like the little exercise that could pre eminent your feet from just being healthy. You know what I mean? Your arch, your big toe, because that's the first thing that hit the ground. And guys don't really consider these things when they just want to work the big exercise muscles that you know. But it starts from the ground up your feet. If your arches and your big toe could be good and strong.

Nick Curson's a famous strength and conditioning guy in the MMA world and that was what he told me. He said foot strength is the number one flaw that a lot of people have.

Exactly. Because they don't feel like that muscle or that need to be worked out. They think shoulders, you know, the big muscles. So it's all about the. The little stuff that pre eminent your success. Man, you a receiver, you know you're gonna have to get off the ball, you're gonna have to run and cut, stop. So the more important thing you could get right in your feet. That's to me, the first thing to hit the ground.

So can you explain to me what you're doing with your toes on a towel?

So let's say if it's a Towel. Like, you know when you run, you got the ball of your feet, right? Ball of your feet hit first, right. And then you grip.

Right?

All of your feet. Then you grip the towel, right? Ball, feet hit and grip. So you working that arch, and you're working on just the grip of your toes.

And do you. Are you just holding the towel with your hands? Like, how are you doing the towel?

You put the towel on the ground?

This is. Oh, on the ground?

Yeah, just like that.

Have you done this, Jamie? Yeah, I do it all the time. You do it all the time?

All day, right.

How come you never told me? Wow.

This is the best. Right there. That work your arches at your feet. That little exercise right there, Joe, that make tremendous difference in your feet.

Wow. I'm gonna do that tomorrow. How many reps do you do?

I feel like you could go two minutes, just burn out.

Burn out?

Yeah. You're gonna feel the burn right away.

Wow. And then does it suck to walk afterwards?

I feel really good to walk. You're gonna tell the difference with your feet right away.

Wow. I jump rope. I feel like that's really good for your feet.

Really good. Yeah.

Yeah.

But this is the maintenance of your feet with just a little exercise.

Yeah, that seems like a really smart one.

Yeah. This is physical therapy. One of the best exercise you could do.

What happens when you get too good at the towel? Do you move up to, like, a rug?

Yeah, you go single leg. Now you go single leg. One leg. Grip.

Oh. Oh. So like, standing on one leg and grip. Yeah. And then so you're balancing and then gripping at the same time.

You stack it up, you know what I mean? The grips to the balance.

Oh, I like it.

Now you're active on it while gripping.

All right. Oh, I like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's all about your wills, man.

You know what I just started incorporating into my workouts, like, over the last few months that I never did before is rotational exercises. And I feel like an asshole, Right. I have a reoccurring thing that I got in my lower back that's like. I think it's really. It's a bunch of different things, but I think mostly it's 10 to 9. This is mostly overuse because it would start to hurt, and I would just ignore it and keep doing it. I got it from archery where it just started flaring up because it's like when I'm shooting the bow, the bow is 80 pounds to pull back, and I do it 150 times a day. So that's like 150 rows with 80 pounds. So a lot of scratch doing that all the time. My lower back and stabilizing it started to flare up and I'm an idiot. So I was like, don't be a pussy. Just.

Just keep going.

Power through.

Yeah.

And in power through. And it got inflamed. And it's taken a few months for it to get better, but one of the best ways it got better was rotational exercises. You know, like with a bar where you like. Yeah, twist it like that. Those twit with cables.

Like man exercises.

Oh, it's like, that's works so well with athletics for me, with martial arts, it works so well. And I'm like, why wasn't I doing that before? Like, I would just do linear stuff like chin ups, push ups, dips, squats, all that other basic shit. But when I started doing twisting things, I'm like, man. And then I feel like I have more power now.

Ranging ability, right?

Yes. I have more strength in my lower back. So for kicking, like, it's everything in there, like that of the ability, that ability to whip. And I'm like, why wasn't I doing this forever?

Yeah.

It's kind of crazy that it took me getting injured before I started doing it.

That's how it always happened.

You know what my favorite one is? When you're sitting, like I sit on a mat with my feet up in the air, and then I take a 50 pound kettlebell and I can't rotate sideways. Sideways. Oh, that's the one.

The one right there.

That is the one. Because when you do like that is like you just feel.

You feel good.

Yeah. And it warms everything up. And it feel, it loosens it, it stretches it a little bit. Because when you get to here, you know, you're challenging your range of mobility. And then you get to hear. And here, you know, it's like. And it's hard to do. So it's. Your abs are firing, Everything's working.

Yeah, we got everything activated. Man, you look good at your age.

Thank you very much. Thank you. I try, I try. I'm trying to keep up. Try to just keep it, keep it active, keep it going. But all those different exercises are huge. And I ignored a lot of them. But that's the thing about getting injured. Sometimes you get injured, you go, okay, why did I get injured? I need to do more preventative stuff. Yeah, yeah. Like you're doing with your feet. Yeah, like more of that. So when, when you do plyometric stuff, do they have you do stuff on like balance balls and shit too.

Of course. Bottom ball. Explosive launches. Maybe put a. The track. The track ladders.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

You know, jumping over those is always a good one for plyo. For explosion.

Yes.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Speed bands.

When did, when did players start realizing that that's something to incorporate? Because I would imagine if you go back to the early days, they were probably doing regular weightlifting stuff, right?

Exactly. I feel like if you want to be explosive athlete, you got to get into playos if you want to be explosive.

Yeah.

You know what I mean? Especially for if you're a wide receiver or a defensive bad guys who got to be athletic and jump high and, and attack the balls and do different stuff, you know, maybe like old lineman may not be getting the ball, so they might focus on lifting weights and you know, I mean, being strong and combative.

But you know what else I started adding to what you added? Ab wheel to my feet. When you do explosive push ups, so you explode up, you roll your abs forward on the wheel and then you come down and catch yourself and then explode up and roll the wheel forward and then come down and catch yourself. You clap and catch yourself. I learned that from Arthur Bitterbeev, the light heavyweight champion. His crazy dude from Chechnya. Yeah, but with an ab wheel. He does it with an ab wheels like, oh, that's next level. That's next level. There's like so many different things you could see like really elite high level guys do. You're like, oh, I get it, I get it. Just mobility drills and hip exercises.

Rotating the hips is a big one.

What kind of shit do you do for that?

You go single leg. I like to do the single leg and then be on one leg and then rotate your hip. Like if you was doing the full circle of your hip, but do it on one leg so you get the glute burning.

Oh, so you're doing that on one and you're balancing too.

Yeah. So you on one leg, just try to rotate this hip forward 10 and backwards 10 on one leg, opening the hips. Always key land on the ground. Getting this leg to this leg, this, this leg to this arm, you know, land on your stomach, rotating your back leg to your back. Stand open, you know, stand. I feel like the older we get, the tighter your muscles get. So. Yeah, just make sure you stretch it more than you. You know, you tighten them up. Because keep your muscles long as you get older. To keep muscles soft.

Yeah, when I'm getting lazy, I don't stretch either. Gotta scratch And I realize, like, yeah, that's probably also how I got injured. Would you ever fuck with yoga?

Absolutely. Yoga is amazing.

Yeah, I love it.

Scratch, you feel, you feel like once you do yoga, your body feel just better overall once you're done. Right. You can feel the difference right away.

Yeah, you feel like everything's working together too. Like all the connective areas are getting strengthened, all the balance and all the stuff that keeps your posture in line. Yeah.

Health is wealth, man. Anytime, you know, you gotta make accountability to be able to take care of yourself. That's what life's about, you know, exercising, eating healthy.

Yeah, exactly.

Give me a chance to live a good life.

Do they coach in the NFL how to eat, what supplements to take? They tell you what to do?

I mean, they can't. They will, but it's usually, you know, kind of up to you and yourself as a player, you know, if you want to take care of yourself. They get in your blood work and got everything right in front of you. So for me, I usually take my blood test to know what my body digests, what food I need to put in, take, you know, what, provide less inflammatory, what's good for me, what's not.

So when they take your blood test, did they sit down with you and go over the results and talk to you about, like, what you need and.

What'S gotta be for you? Like, you gotta take the initiative to go to them and you know what I mean? That is a business. At the end of the day, you gotta do what's best for you yourself, for sure.

But I would imagine for them, it would be beneficial to them to make their athletes perform at the very best they can. So give them as much information, information as they could.

I would hope so. But using the NFL, they pay you money and it's like you figured out. Yeah, it's on you now.

Yeah. What about, like saunas and cold plunge?

All that is the best everyday cold plunge, sauna, man, that's healthy living. Yeah, sauna's the best. Flush out, cold tub feeling brand new. Yeah, that's pretty preeminent recovery right there.

It's everything, right?

Yeah, like, that's what you live for. The high steam, cold tub, man, that's the best feeling ever.

So what's the next move right now for Antonio Brown? What are we gonna do?

I feel like, you know, just keep, you know, being myself, giving back to the world. I feel like I Wanna start a 7 on 7 team. Give some local kids in Miami, Tampa, some opportunities to travel, you know, play 707. Flag football, obviously, podcast. Maybe do more on CTSBN. You know, just be happy and live. Hopefully the hall of fame in 2027.

Oh, okay, nice.

Me and Ben Rothenberger in that class together.

Nice.

So that'd be a good opportunity.

What do you do with. With kids? Were you talking about flag football?

Yeah. Flag football is a big thing right now where you take the kids different tournaments all over the world, allowing them to complete. Giving them opportunities to live their dreams. Different age groups, you know, I mean.

And you're involved in that?

Yeah. Sending them now to get our own team. Me and Kodak Black. One of my close friends from Miami. Probably start a volleyball league. Volleyball league for the woman and some flag football for the team.

Oh, that's great.

Community activities to help some kids achieve their goals and taking them different tournaments to be able to compete all over the world.

That's cool that you have that focus that you want to, like, help kids, too. Help them. And also, like, when they see a guy like you who's done it, been there, done that, you know, been at the top, they could say, oh, it's possible. He's a human. He's just like me, you know, and him talking to me and working with me. Maybe I can get something done in this life.

I got some new music coming out, actually. Tomorrow's song called click it 41 Cal Rich Tata Jen Carter.

Nice.

So it's been a blessing, man. It's just.

Are you working with Kanye anymore?

Yeah, I work with him too. He's not. Oh, yeah. I got some cool stuff coming as well.

Really? I'm still working with them.

Work on. That's.

When was the last time you saw him?

I saw him in LA a couple weeks ago.

He's a wild man.

Yeah, he's a side agent.

When he showed up at the Grammys with his wife naked.

Yeah.

Turn around. Okay, bye. He leaves. He doesn't even go to the Grammys. He just shows up, walks the red carpet, his wife takes his clothes off, and he goes home.

Okay. We good? Yeah, he's good, man. We decided about, you know, he brought me in his chain. As for Donda Sports.

He bought you that?

Yeah.

Whoa.

Donda Sports, the sports brand that he opened up.

That's a GDP of a small island.

Yeah.

Look at the size of that thing.

So we got to get done the sports back. You know, Kanye made me presidential president of the Dunda Sports.

Oh, really?

A lot of basketball team we used to have in la. A lot of kids came out of it. You Know, and we plan on getting back to it and doing some other things creatively in the music space. So I'm excited for those announcements coming soon in 2025, so.

Oh, that's cool. So what other. What sports are you getting involved with?

Basketball has been a huge sports for Donda Sports had a couple players, you know, come out of Donna Sports.

So what is he doing? Is he managing them? Like, what is.

He had a whole prep school that was, you know, allowing the kids to go to school, down to sports, giving the opportunity to play basketball, taking on. Play different games.

Oh, okay.

Yeah. I mean, we had Rob Dylan, who used to be in the program, who played for the Minnesota Timberwolves, now got drafted, who went to Kentucky University. I mean, went to. I think he went to Duke University and came out and went, oh, that's cool. Yeah. So.

So he represents them, gives them advice, represent them.

Just allowed them to go to school and play basketball.

Oh, just help them.

Yeah, just help them to get to the next level. Not even represent them or nothing, but.

Also, like, being under that umbrella is like, notoriety.

Absolutely. Getting them the exposure, the right opportunities to just go to the next level.

So is this something Kanye's going to expand to other sports as well?

I mean, we was talking about it. I mean, he. They don't really know a lot about sports. You know, that's why he put me on, you know, Justin Leboy, in regards to basketball and other sports athletes, to just give them the opportunity to live out their dreams.

That's really cool, man. That's very cool. That's. It's nice that you're interested in doing that, that you want to help young kids.

You know, I've been blessing my life to, you know, live a beautiful life experience in the NFL. You know, that's our jobs as, you know, humans. You know, give other people the best experience, you know, give them a chance to do something they may not be able to do in their life. So I'm grateful just to be in that position, you know, to give back.

That's a beautiful philosophy. It's a good way to look at life. You know, you're living your life, you're happy. You're also helping people be happy. Yeah. And cracking on people.

Yeah, a couple jokes here and there.

You write all that yourself or do you have anybody help you how you write it? You write all of it?

Yeah.

Oh, my God, that's amazing. Yeah. Well, the response has been pretty amazing, right?

They love it. Smokes and jokes, man. It's funny.

I mean, imagine the idea of a ex football player starting an award show and it gets 200 million views.

He has a blessing.

I mean, but it was also because you had, like, laid the groundwork of being funny all the time on Twitter and being that wild follow that people like to go check you out. So when you do something like that award show, everybody's like, yeah, I can't wait.

I'm looking forward to it, bro.

I was getting texts all day long, man. So many people were sending me texts.

Thank you for participating with it, man. That was awesome.

My pleasure, everybody. Was everybody.

Joe on it. Let's go.

Yeah. Everybody's excited because, like I said, it's just. It's fun. It's a. Like a thing that wasn't around before, and it's like a sign that everything's getting back to normal. Normal. That you can do fun. Kind of like that again.

Exactly. We gotta do more. Let's do it better this time.

Yeah. Well, I think now everybody is looking forward to the next one. Like, now it's established, you know, when you have the second annual awards, everybody's gonna be very excited about it because it's. It's. It's a necessary thing. We. We need more ridiculous in this world to take. Take the burden off of a lot of people. Just the regular life. You need. You need fun.

Yeah. We need an excitement.

Yeah. It's valuable. It's not just silly. It's, like, valuable for people's mental health. It brings people joy and happiness.

Yeah.

Yeah. Like when, like, memes. When my friends send me a funny meme and then I send it to them, we're all like, you happy?

Right?

Is. It makes me happy? It makes me happy. It's funny.

Too excited.

It's like some of the biggest laughs of my day are memes, you know? And I don't know who's making them. I don't know who's.

It's coming out the blue. Just.

It's just like the universe is creating me.

It's.

Obviously people are doing it, but I don't even know who they are. Sometimes you do. Sometimes a person like, you know, you can give them credit. I'll give them credit. But sometimes, like, I don't know where this came from. It's on 15 different Instagram pages. People just send it to you. Like, all right, I was throwing up my stories.

Entertainment.

Yeah. It's a fun time, man. It's a fun time. I'm glad you're a part of it because, you know, having a guy like you out there like having a good time cracking jokes. It opens up the door for other people to do the same.

Absolutely.

Keep it light. Have a good time. Enjoy yourself.

I love it.

All right. Anything else you want to talk about before we wrap this up?

I think we hit it all.

We hit it all. Beautiful. Tell everybody how they find you on.

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That's it. All right, brother. Well, thank you very much for being here. Continued success. I'm a fan. I'm excited. I love you, too. All right. Thank you. Bye, everybody.