Transcript of Make Your Home Feel More Magical Today! Superstar Designer Amber Lewis Shares Insider Tips + Her Deeply Personal, Inspiring Journey to Skyrocketing Success

Does the space you live in right now feel as beautiful, magical, and special as you are? Does it feel restorative, livable, curated, and in a style that reflects who you truly are? The energy of spaces we call home can impact how we feel, and there are simple tips that we can all learn no matter the budget we're on to make our spaces feel even more special. Amber Lewis is one of the most talented, buzzed about, and in-demand interior designers right now, and she is here in person today with you and me to help us curate our own spaces, make our homes more magical, more livable, and even more us. Amber, thank you for being here. I'm so excited.

Absolutely.

Amber Lewis is a seasoned interior designer, founder of a full-service design firm, Amber Interiors, touting clients across the country, and the genius behind the brick-and-mortar and online retail stores, Shop Amber Interiors. Right now, in this very moment, the 150th You have 17 employees, your businesses are exploding all over the place. I don't even know how you make such great rugs. You have the product line, you have your interior design firm, you're just crushing it everywhere, also simultaneously be exploding on social media. So many of us, we think, oh, I'm not qualified, or I don't have what it takes, or these things happen to other people, or maybe they have connections, or they were handed this.

We lived in literally like a trailer park. We had nothing compared to everyone around me. They had these beautiful, lavish lives, and I Got to see it in a very special way. It didn't happen at home, but it was in other people's homes, and I started to really appreciate design.

Were you 6 when you picked your first paint color for your bedroom?

Yes.

Like super into that? Okay, you were 15, you started selling pillows. I started sewing pillows. Sewing pillows, okay.

My mom bought me a sewing machine.

For anyone who's like, what is it like to work with a designer? I love to understand the process more so that I don't enter it blind. You break down in Interiors the 6 stages of a project. And not only is she sharing answers to all of your most pressing design questions, she's also opening up like never before.

Oh gosh, do you do this to— do you make people cry all the time? I can't believe I'm crying.

When people are often successful, usually it's not an accident. And to understand who Amber is, Behind Amber, you co-ran your businesses with your husband at the time.

Yes.

And, and have since separated, but are still in it together a million percent. You've been diagnosed with MS.

Yep.

Hearing how you've navigated really tough decisions. I mean, you're a badass. You're a badass and you're really tough and you're really ambitious and you're no joke. And, and seeing that side of you, I'm getting emotional now. Everyone else cries on my show, but I'm like crying right now because I'm just like, I love this. As a result of her remarkable love from her customers and demand for her talents. In recent years, she's expanded her business into successful multi-year furniture, rug, textile, and decor collaborations with companies you love, like Anthropologie, Loloi, Visual Comfort, and more. She's published 2 bestselling books, Call It Home and Made for Living, and her brand new 3rd book, a new home renovation and interior design book called Interiors: Curated Spaces from Start to Finish is available everywhere books are sold. Interiors takes you through the 6 stages that define an Amber Interiors project: ponder, play, procure, patience and panic, pull it all together, and pride. Guiding you from the beginning of each new build or renovation project to the end of install with helpful notes and advice on topics like playing with scale, selecting art, Or how to work with an interior designer, Interiors gives you insights into Amber's inspirations and decisions, as well as her personalized source callouts highlighting specific products, finishes, paint colors, and brands that she returns to again and again.

If you had to redo your living room and your budget was $500, what would you, what would you spend it on and what wouldn't you spend it on? How big should a rug be for a room?

Always My theory and my philosophy is you have to at least get—

What's one thing people are obsessed over when decorating or designing that you think actually doesn't matter at all?

I actually don't want you to buy things that— I want you to buy—

Is there something that a lot of people buy but then you think is not worth the money? This is one thing that seems so simple, but it is not.

How do we know how many pillows I like at least 2 in each corner. At least 2.

Okay.

Of a sofa.

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Thank you so much for having me. I am honored and excited to be here. Very excited to be here.

I'm so excited you're here and so excited. I shared with you when we were walking over here, on days I'm just super stressed out or overwhelmed, I will literally go to your Instagram. Today's the first day we're meeting in person, but I will go to your Instagram. I will just scroll it and somehow I feel better.

Oh, well, that's the most That's a huge compliment. So thank you very much. I like to keep it light and happy over there, at least try.

It is, it's light and happy. It's also just so inspiring.

Thank you.

So I think everyone is really catching on to all your talent. So thank you for sharing it with all of us. And I'm excited for today. Congratulations on your new book out, Interiors, which we're going to dive into also.

Thank you so much. It's awesome to be here. And yeah, I can't believe there's a third one up there. It's wild.

Yeah, yeah, well, it's stunning. So whether we have a designer or are like doing it ourselves or on this continual journey of making our own space and home feel like it reflects who we truly are and how we wanna feel, I'm so excited for your tips and your insights that we're gonna talk about today from what's really worth the money.

Yeah.

Right? 'Cause a lot of us are like, ugh, I shouldn't have spent that, not worth it. Or to simple things we could do to bring more magic to our spaces, to the mistakes we need to avoid when it comes to wanting to feel even more grounded in our own home. But before we dive in, for people discovering Amber Lewis for the very first time today, your story on everything that you have gone through from the time you were little—

Yeah.

To how you've created this business that's all around you, that's sort of exploding everywhere, that's multi, multi-channel, multi-dimensional to where you are today. Can you share a bit about who you are, your story, what people should know about you who are maybe meeting you for the first time today?

I have kind of a twisty, windy path to get to where we are today. I didn't really have any inkling of what I was going to do, per se, but I was always a pretty creative kid. So—

Hmm.

I'm, you know, I talk with my hands. I'm very out. I'm very, like, crazy. I like to just experience life. I'm very curious. I'm very drawn to art. And I have always just been super creative. My mom and my dad are both extremely creative people. mom's an incredible artist. My dad is a builder. And so I was always grown up in a world surrounded by creatives, but also just really, like, hardworking human beings. Come from a long line of teachers. We didn't have anything growing up. We had a very beautiful, awesome, very kind of run-of-the-mill life, but we didn't have money. I didn't, you know, nothing. My mom was always the mom making us avocado sandwiches. She's kind of a hippie. And we went to thrift stores. And it was just a very— humble, awesome life. We camped a lot, didn't go on fancy vacations. And so we were, like, out in the world, out in the earth, always at the beach, you know, doing those things. And so I think I probably picked up my knack for being inspired by nature and the color palette and really wanting to understand art and understand things like textiles and vintage from a pretty, young age.

And then when I was in 6th grade, my family moved to Malibu. So we grew up at the beach, but we lived in literally like a trailer park. We had nothing compared to everyone around me. They had these beautiful, lavish lives. And I got to see it in a very special way 'cause I wasn't, it didn't happen at home, but it was in other people's homes. And I started to really appreciate design in a way that it wasn't, necessarily something that came naturally for me or something that I noticed that I loved so much. But once I was in some of these homes and my dad was building some of these homes, I got to see this other side and I became obsessed with houses, just houses in general. And cut to high school, I really did not like school. And I know my dad was saying to me growing up, you have to do something, you have to do something. But I love to work.

Hmm.

And so at 15, I got my first job and I was working as a jewelry designer assistant.

Oh.

So I was watching all these like beautiful diamonds every day going dripping from these women. And I just also thought that was really beautiful. And so I would go to some of these women's houses and I would see these beautiful houses and just, I wanna live like that. Like I want, not, not that I wanted to live like that, I just wanted to be a part of this beautiful home, I thought it was pretty magical. So high school, did barely graduated. Honest to goodness, I hated school. I hated that I had to be stuck inside. I just wanted to be out in the world doing my thing. And so I just started working. And so from 15, I kind of learned that working was going to be part of my path. And I just started a business at 15. I started sewing pillows and selling them.

You were 15 when you started selling pillows? I read, were you 6 when you picked your first paint color for your bedroom? Like super into that? Okay, you were 15, you started selling pillows. I started selling pillows. Sewing pillows, okay.

My mom bought me a sewing machine for my like 15th birthday, and I just learned how to sew and started sewing. And so I would take them down to the store down in like Cross Creek, which is in Malibu, but it was very different when I was growing up. And I started selling these one-of-a-kind pillows, and I had kind of like a weird celebrity clientele, which is so bizarre to even say it now, but I think like Cher was one of the first ones who bought. my pillows, and that was it. I just loved it, and I loved that I had a business eye, or like I wanted to have a business at a really young age, but I didn't really know how to define that.

Yeah.

So cut to graduated high school and went to, I don't know, fashion school. I'm like, what do I do? I don't know what I'm gonna do. I wanna be creative. I can't— I didn't get into art school, didn't really try that hard, to be honest. I just thought, okay, I'm gonna go to fashion school. Ended up at fashion school. And that obviously wasn't for me either. So I started working in a home decor store. And in this home decor store, I was doing displays, but also selling behind the counter. And I got really addicted to remaking beds and setting tables. And customers were coming in, some high-end customers were coming in and saying, hey, will she come and do that in my house? And so I got the opportunity to go into houses again, another kind of like running theme. go into houses again and see how the other half live, for lack of a better word, and help them kind of do their bathrooms or do their tablescapes or decorate for the holidays. And I was hooked. And that was it for me. And I ended up going to UCLA Extension for a little while.

And people started asking me to come into their homes and do, like, one room at a time.

What for the UCLA Extension?

I went for interior design.

Interior design.

UCLA Extension. Yeah, I ended up dropping out of that too because I was very confident that I got this.

I'm going to learn I wanna call this out for a minute because, you know, right now, in this very moment, as we're talking, you have 115 employees. Your businesses are exploding all over the place.

Yeah.

I don't even know how you make such great rugs, which we're gonna talk about in a minute. But you have the product line. You have your interior design firm. You're just crushing it everywhere. Very few people are able to come up with creative content, to also simultaneously be exploding on social media. You have all this stuff happening. And what I love so much that I think for someone listening right now, cuz so many of us, we think, oh, I'm not qualified.

Yeah.

Or I don't have what it takes. Or these things happen to other people. Or maybe they have connections or they were handed this, or they, you know, that kind of thing. And what I love so much about what you're sharing is you're like, okay, I didn't take the traditional path.

Yeah.

Like I was in more of a trailer-style environment in Malibu.

Yeah.

I started selling my own handmade pillows.

Yeah.

Right? So you had kind of both parts to you, the creative genius, but then also this, business mind.

Yeah.

And you're 15 selling pillows to Cher and other people in Malibu. And then you, you know, aren't a fan of school. And then you go to fashion, you know, for fashion school, but you don't like that. You drop out. Then later go to design school, drop out. But you hustled and you went and got real-world experience with different places. And I think that's inspiring and going to ignite a lot of hope for people.

Yeah.

Because there's a lot of people right now going, what do I do? Do I go to school? Do I have this huge debt? Do I, or I did go to school, but that's not what I wanna do, and how can I figure it out? So then you find yourself, okay, you're in a retail store now, you're doing displays, and then what happens from there?

So I just started getting asked to come to people's houses, and I would say, kind of like we were just talking about, I would say yes to everything. Someone asked me to come hand paint their baby's nursery. Yes, I'll be there. Like actually paint it myself. So go to the paint store, paint it myself, and then hand make this little ivy Enchanted garden with a bird's nest? Yes, I'll do that. And then another lady came in and said, will you come pick a paint color for me in my living room? Sure, no problem. So I'll paint it too. I was saying yes to all of the things. And eventually it kind of caught on with word of mouth. Someone would go into the living room and they'd see, okay, then I bought a sofa and I bought a vintage coffee table for this client. And that client would tell their other friend. And then that other friend told their other friend. And then it just all sort of spiraled. Uh, it didn't really happen fast. I mean, it's been a very long time. I've been at this for, for years. I think 15 this year.

Mm-hmm.

Um, but before that, it was— I was always in the business in some way or another. I worked for a great interior designer that taught me so much. Um, I didn't work for her for very long, but in the very small time, I just sort of sponged everything that I could. I learned as much as I possibly could. And then had a really solid foundation that I kept kind of growing that from. So yeah, I didn't do the traditional route. It wasn't for me, and I kind of identified that pretty young. I decided real fast that I'm not going to fake this. I don't think I'm cut out for school. I think I'm more cut out for working for somebody or running my own business.

Running my own thing. And to make the jump to where you're at now, I have so many Yeah. For everyone because I was sharing with you earlier before the podcast that, you know, I'm aware enough to know things I'm good at and things I'm really not good at. And I can see when a space is so beautiful. Like when I look at your Instagram, I'm like, wow, look at this room, look at that room. Like I'm super into it. When I try to do that myself, I'm like, okay, I, you know, I will over-furnish something so quickly or I won't understand scale or whatever it might be. And for you learning business, right? 'Cause a lot of people are like, oh, I have a business idea, I wanna start my own thing, but, you know, I don't know what to do. I didn't go to business school, or I don't, you know, that kind of thing. You now have this multi, multi-channel business.

Yeah.

From your own firm, from having 115 employees, which is a whole thing in and of itself, to product lines and collaborations everywhere, to retail brick-and-mortar stores, to online stores, to your blog, I mean, all of it. How have you figured that out as an entrepreneur? Have there been a lot of mistakes and regrets? And what's your sort of— yeah, share that with the person going like, okay, I'm ready to take the leap. You know, how did Amber do it? What does it look like? What's your experience been holistically?

I am a big believer in reinvesting in yourself. Every time I had a, idea, I knew that I was ambitious enough and determined enough to figure it out. So I would reinvest in myself with trusting that my intuition was telling me the right thing. I would focus so hard on, okay, I'm going to build whatever it was I'm gonna do. I'll never forget one of my first design projects. I didn't know how to charge. I had no idea really how to charge. I think in the past I was just doing these small odd jobs, and so I would charge someone, you know, give me, $500 or something to paint whatever. And then I started to realize I had to level up. And so it was reinvesting in myself and believing in myself. I'm gonna put something out there, I'm gonna see what happens, and if this happens, my next move is gonna be a little bit bigger and a little bit bigger after that and a little bit bigger. And so I would take these small experiences as a call to action to reinvest in the trust in myself that I got this and I'm gonna keep doing it.

Mm.

And I think that that's probably what's propelled me to the point today 'Cause I have no training except for some hard knocks, figure it out on the, you know, hustling mentality. I didn't learn much. I really just learned by my own trial and error.

Mm-hmm.

And really hiring, you know, incredibly— basically, I would hire people that were filling the gap of where I didn't know something. So I would be really intuitive of saying, okay, I need someone who knows how to do computer drawings because I don't know how. So I would hire an incredible drafts person to help me get an idea across. Or, you know, where I am today, we just hired our first CEO, which has been a really wild experience. But I got to the point where, what is my value? My value is creating and running the brand and building the brand. My job is not— I'm not good at, like you said, scale.

Mm-hmm.

I'm not good at, um, at managing people so much. I love building teams, but I don't love like the day in, day out managing. And I'm really good at strategic big big thinking, I need someone who can run it better than I can. It's like you just learn your own scale. And so I reinvested in myself by hiring help. It's just been the kind of that process my whole life is just reinvesting in my intuition when I know it's time to make a new move.

Have you always, I'm thinking about you at age 15, but also now, have you always had the confidence to bet on yourself?

In a weird way, no. I've learned how to, I think, by the exact thing, trial and error. I would do something and it would succeed, and I would feel really, really good, and I would hang on to the feeling of it feeling good, and I would believe in myself to do the next thing. I also fell on my ass a lot. I did things and failed and learned from those experiences. It never really deterred me from doing anything again. It just was— I was almost, you know, okay, got that here on one shoulder. I understand I can't do that. I'm not great at that. On this shoulder, I have this experience. And it just kept me sort of balanced to keep forward thinking. So I don't know. I, yeah, no, I didn't always have the confidence, but I've learned it over the years.

Well, I know you sort of co-ran your businesses with your husband at the time.

Yes, yes.

And have since separated, but are still in it together a million percent, which I'm gonna ask you about. You have shared that you've been diagnosed with MS.

Yep.

So much to talk about. I also want to ask a few sort of burning hot questions about design that so many of our listeners and viewers wanna know. Because a lot of us are, you know, we sort of do our own spaces, right? A lot, some people have designers and a lot of people don't have the blessing of that. And a lot of people are just trying to figure it out on their own and trying to figure out, okay, what's worth it? What's not? How do I make my space space feel energetically restorative or like a place I just wanna be, or I wanna feel cozy in? So lots of questions for you on that. And I just wanna ask you, uh, to sort of kick off this section with, um, if you would read an excerpt from your brand new book called Interiors, which is curated spaces from start to finish. You guys can pick up your copy right now everywhere books are sold. And, uh, so excited for your third and soon-to-be very best-selling book. Um, let me hand you this.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay. I would argue that being a great interior designer isn't just about taste level or the ability to pick out beautiful things. It's not about the size of the project or the client's budget, though yes, having a realistic one helps. And it's definitely not about the perfectly styled glossy photos that you see in the end. Those are lovely and necessary for a lot of reasons, But they're just the byproduct. The real skill? It's being a mind reader, a vision-driven diplomat, a part-time therapist, a full-time budget manager, a psychic who can see the finished room before the studs or the drywall are even up. Creating an engaging design is rooted in listening, really listening, to what a client wants, what the space needs, and what the project can actually support. It's about knowing how to steer the proverbial ship with intention and balancing beauty and function along the way to get something that feels effortless, personal, and timeless. Something that feels just right.

Mm, so good.

Yeah.

So good.

And I actually believe that, so.

Yeah, yeah. When I read that, I'm like, ah, I felt like exhaling. Like, that's what we all kind of want, especially if, someone's helping give their input on something so personal as our home.

Yeah.

But I love that you talk about the 6 stages, because for anyone who's like, what is it like to work with a designer? Or maybe there's people listening that are about to start a project right now, or they know they're going to remodel a space at some point, or they're, you know, interviewing designers right now, or they're going to be their own designer, or they're going to hire their cousin for $500 to be their designer, right? We're all in different moments and seasons right now Wow. But I love that you break down— this is just so cool for me. I geeked out over this because, uh, uh, I love to understand the, the process more so that I don't enter it blind or whatever. You break down in Interiors, um, the 6 stages of a project, right? You say ponder, play, uh, procure, and patience and panic, pull it all together, and pride. So I wanna ask you about the 6. So you say ponder is the The spark, the daydream, the big, okay, we're going to do this, or we are doing this moment. Can you explain ponder for the person at home and why is that stage important to them?

It's extremely important to think about your dreams, your vision for the space. Ultimately, what you don't want to do is just see something that inspires you and say, yes, that applies to me, because it doesn't. I think you really have to think about the space that you're designing in a way that suits not only you, your family, whoever's living in the space and decide how you want that space to feel. And it's not gonna come from one image. I think it's multitudes of images. I think it's really taking the time to ponder your ideas so that you can actually apply it into your space. It's the most important part. It's the beginning parts.

The ponder is the most important. It's kind of the foundation.

Yeah, well, they're all really important, but yeah, ponder is like the biggest thing because that's like the thoughts before we start. So it's helping to really decide what you want the space to look like.

Okay, play. Play, where you say where things get messy in the best way. Think swatches, wild ideas flying around, some wins, some flops, and a way to many mood boards.

Yeah, and a good idea will die without the actual physical attributes that make it the really special space that it's going to eventually end up being. So I'm a real believer and proponent of you have to have things. So is it fabric that is going to inspire you in your space? Is it the rugs? Is it the upholstery? I mean, it should be all of them. Is it the lighting? Whatever it is, it's having the ability to play with multitudes of elements that are going to go in the space that have to help get you there. You can't just do it in a vacuum. You can't just say, I saw this one image, I want to recreate this exactly. It's never going to look the same in your space. So it's that playing with So it's just playing with size and scale and playing with colors and playing with swatches and samples that I really encourage people to do.

And then procure, for all of us shopping fans out there, procure, aka the shopping Olympics, vintage treasure hunts, custom pieces, flea market euphoria, and that moment when the perfect thing finds its forever home. Can you talk about the procurement process from a designer's perspective, but also maybe in the shoes of someone who is trying to do it on their own? How long should that take? How can people sort of, you know, we're in such a different world nowadays where you could just shop, you know, online like crazy. But also you talk a lot about like boots on the ground, in the flea market, in the vintage shops. Can you talk about procurement?

Yes, it's my favorite part of the process because that's when you get to shop. That's when you get to curate. That's when you get to really build these beautiful pieces that are going to live with you forever. Go through things super quick. I mean, I think that there's a time and a place sometimes we change things out, and I encourage that. But I also love when you find these really beautiful moments in, or things in your space that are going to last forever, whether or not they're going to be heirloom, whether or not they're just going to be something that your kids will remember. Remember when mom had that X? Or remember when dad had whatever? Whatever that is, I think that that's the fun part, is actually finding it and procuring the piece. And I don't ever want anyone to just go online shopping. That's just void of personality. You want a home to feel collected, and the only way to do that is to truly shop and get out there and to treasure hunt and to vintage source and find. And I think that everyone should have a little bit of that in their life.

We try, you know, as, as a licensor and with all my other products, I try to really curate that for people so that they can pick something from the lighting collection from a different company altogether and match that with another You know, the rugs, like you were talking about. I want all those things to— you can procure those into your home and it will make sense. But I also really encourage people to get out and find things that really speak to them. Yeah.

Patience and panic is the next part. Equal parts waiting out lead times, like when you're waiting for your furniture for 4 to 6 months, or you're waiting for any number of things, screaming internally when something finally arrives, And it's wrong, which you say always happens. Can you talk about the patience and panic part of a project?

Yeah, we've really gotten used to a world where we are perpetually inundated with instant gratification. You can immediately go online and see whatever it is, or you can Google search something and you're gonna find it. That's not how the real world works. And I think, you know, when something is being made for you, piece of furniture, unless you order 100 of them and they're sitting somewhere in a warehouse, it's going to take a while for it to get to you. There has been a lot of misconception that like, oh, I can't believe something takes 6 to 8 months. Well, it's going to take the person who's making it, if it's custom, that's going to take 2 to 3 months just getting the fabric to them. There's multiple people involved, lots of vendors. And so, you know, it's— while that's a very customized point of view, if you're actually, you know, working with a designer and you're ordering everything custom, some stuff is going to just take some time. So you just have to take a deep breath and realize it's not going to come together with a snap of a finger. And I want everyone to understand that that's the way that we should be doing our homes, over time.

Mm-hmm.

And I think the patience and the panic part, the panic, everyone's going to panic about something. You're going to second-guess yourself. I hope you do. I hope you second-guess yourself a lot. Because it keeps us on our toes, and then it keeps us wanting to make sure that the space is perfect. And then if you get something and it's not right, you know, there's steps to take, but everyone experiences this. You're not in a vacuum. Everybody at one point, including someone who's been doing this for 15 years, is going to have a moment where I'm like, oh my God, I made the wrong choice. Shit. Like, I just screwed that up big time. Wrong choice.

Oh no. And do you have that very often?

All the time.

Really?

All the time.

And then do you tell your clients?

You're like, well, no, because, because I'm the trained professional that's supposed to never have those moments. But that's all bullshit. I 100% feel like that all the time going, yeah, oh my God, am I gonna regret this? Yeah. And almost always I talk myself off of that ledge before it gets too late. But I'm doing my own home right now. which we may or may not talk about, but I'm doing my own house right now and I am second-guessing so many things and changing my mind still, which I know better. I know that I'm not supposed to do that, but I'm a client after all in my, you know, in my new home. So I'm really actively taking a deep breath and going, it's okay to change your mind. It's okay to, you know, yeah, to decide.

Yeah.

I want something different.

Well, that makes me feel better cuz I have those moments a lot where I'm like, did I make the right decision here?

Yeah.

Should we, all that kind of thing. Yeah. But it's also so fun. Next up, Next phase, pull it all together. Pull it all together. The magical mad dash of install week. And when we transcend project spreadsheets and outfit the spaces.

Yes. So this is the part where we finally get to see all of what we've been pulling together for the years. Because this, again, does not happen overnight. It takes some of these projects that you're going to see in this book are 5 to 6 year projects. They start from dirt and we're building these homes. And so seeing it all come together in the very end is pretty magical. to finally see what's kept you up at night for the past 6 years.

Yes.

You get to see all your hard work come together. And that's, you know, it's really kind of pulls me into pride because you also have so much pride and, and you're just joyful that you're seeing it all kind of come together. And it, it's so much work. It's so much work. Mm-hmm.

I know I did a 5-year remodel once. Mm-hmm. So for, so when you do different projects, do you ever do, Are these faster projects, or are most of yours multi, multi-year?

If we're coming in and just doing furniture or the furnishings, we can do it as quick as lead times will allow us to. But we also have a very streamlined process at the firm, which we follow to suit. So we are very phase-driven— phase 1, 2, 3, 4. We have a very strict kind of policy because what I don't like to do is overpromise and underdeliver. And I think when we come in and do things fast, there's always going to be an inevitable hangup that's going to always blow back on me. It doesn't matter if it has nothing to do with me. It's not— you're setting yourself up for failure if you're going to promise like, yes, I'll do it for in 2 months, no problem.

Yeah.

Some people can. I don't like that because I think with rush comes quality issues, and it also comes a lack of creativity. I think you're just doing things what you can get quick, right? And you're not really thinking about the process, which again, back to why I think it's so important to really think about the space and how you want to use it. Because if you're doing things super super fast, you're getting very fast results. And that means not always that you've thought about something. So you sometimes make more mistakes by doing something quick than you would if you just borrowed a couple more months to think about it and to really invest in the team that's thinking about it for you. If they need a couple months, give them a couple months.

I think this is good. A lot of people feel like they almost feel bad that if they're doing it themselves, that they still haven't finished it or they still haven't, or they still haven't started it yet. And you're giving them permission to be like, no, no, no, actually it's a good thing to take your time. you know, create when it comes to you. For your 4 phases, what are those 4 phases, maybe for someone who hasn't experienced that before?

Well, we're just in the very beginning, we're construction documents. So just documenting the process, getting fit with the team, the architecture, the— it depends on which the project is. So if we're doing a full remodel, the front end of that phase is just we're in the phase of getting the team sorted out.

Like the as-built. The floor plans, those kind of things.

Yes. The second is when the construction's happening. So it's doors, windows, plumbing, material. Third phase is the FF&E. We're kind of pulling all the pieces together, all the inside stuff.

What's FF&E?

FF&E is furniture. It's furniture.

Furniture, yeah.

And equipment.

Yep.

Those are all the things that go in the house. If you were to flip the house upside down, what would fall out?

What would fall? Yeah, FF&E. Okay.

And then your decorative lighting is also in the second phase. Third phase, is FF&E, and then the 4th is when you're really in like the stretches of the window coverings, the construction's finishing, and you're about ready to get the clients moved in and installed.

Got it, got it. And then pride. Let's talk about pride, which is the good kind of tears, the camera clicks, the client hugs, the we freaking did it moment. Talk about pride.

Why do you really, when you get into any career, You have to have your purpose, right? What is the reason why you're doing any of it? And I think ultimately that end, that walking away from something that you've invested the past however many years or months into, that is what gives you the purpose to continue. So the pride that I feel after a project is complete, the ability to look back at what we've just accomplished and what we just did gives me the fuel to do another one.

Mm-hmm.

Because there's so many moments in which it's really discouraging. Ugh, This is a lot. This job is too much. It's so stressful. There's so many people that are in the process that you can't control. Lead times to contractors, to trades screwing up, whatever the case may be, you can't control those things. They're not, they're not you. They're them.

And so you— It's like a giant puzzle, right?

It is. It's like a big movie. Ultimately, you're just producing and managing A big, beautiful kind of production.

Yeah, that's right. You're right. And then, it finally comes out. I have so many friends that are in movies, and they talk about, it's years. It's the longest process, and then, finally, it's out, and it's like, the biggest thing.

Well, yeah, but think about just your life, how many things in a month change, including your mind. How many times you're like, I like the color green. I hate the color green. We're cyclical. you know, we go through phases in our own lives. So doing something from 1 year to 6 years later, you have to really hone in on, do I— am I gonna like this in 6 years? Am I gonna feel like this is timeless and classic and love this?

Yeah.

So that's why I always ask for a little bit more time in the front so that there's some considered thought and idea going into it before you just say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 'cause you're gonna end up just throwing good money after bad.

Okay, for the person listening right now who's like, Amber, I just want to feel better in my own space, what's one thing, maybe one just simple thing, that they could do this weekend without spending thousands of dollars to make their space just sort of instantly feel more peaceful?

It depends on the space, but I say sometimes just changing your bedding. It's a silly thing, but I love it. I love bedding so much. I love sheets, and I love making the bed. I feel like just making your bed, or cleaning up your space, or decluttering a drawer that's been lingering for a long time, it's those things that happen in our back, right? The backs of our minds that we know that there's a cluttered situation. Clean out a drawer.

Mm.

See what that does to your space, and see what that does to your brain. And if it makes you feel invigorated to start and tackle something small, it's little bites You bite off little pieces every day.

This is a very— I love, you and I are similar this way. Like, I grew up, I'm adopted, I have 5 families, and I've grown up around a lot of different situations. You know, I started working also when I was 15, and lots of jobs, waitress at Denny's. Like, I've just cherished the value of a dollar. And I've been around families where, oh my gosh, a hard-earned dollar is a big deal. And so, a question, and now, you know, you have designed all ranges of the spectrum to the most beautiful, beautiful homes out there.

Yeah.

All ranges. But for the person sitting at home who's like, okay, you know, Amber, if you had to redo your living room and your budget was $500, what would you spend it on and what wouldn't you spend it on?

Okay, this is an easy one to me because I think it's little accessories that you can really invest in that will really make this similar to changing your bedding, change your pillows.

Mm.

Redecorate your coffee table. Take everything out of your bookshelves and redo it. It doesn't have to be even money that you're spending. It's reorganizing what you currently have to work and feel fresh. Sometimes we're so in a culture of like, I need to buy something new. I need to get this. I need to, I need, need, need, need, need.

Yeah.

You don't need, you need to undo and redo and then fill in the blank. What are you missing? And invest in what you're missing, not what you already have. I think we tend to buy like, oh, I love the color, whatever. And then you buy 100 of that color. Don't do that. Live with nothing for a second. Remove so that you can re-add to, if that is the answer.

Yeah, that is. And on a random side note, if you're ever stressed out, go watch Amber on her Instagram doing shelves. Like, the way you just like redo shelves on a bookshelf, I'll just be like, like, like I'll have like a 20-hour day where I'm so stressed out and there's some like high-stakes podcast releasing or something, and I'll just watch you do shelves. And I'm like, oh, um, that's such a great tip. Um, okay, what's one thing people are obsessed over when decorating or designing that you think actually doesn't matter at all?

Well, I think that probably what doesn't matter is if it's trendy or I actually don't want you to buy things that feel trending. I want you to buy things that you think you love now and that you thought you loved 5 years ago and that you think you'll love in 5 years from now. I don't want you to buy what feels like you should be buying. I want you to buy what you actually love. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

When you design your pieces, because you've done, you know, you have all of your collaborations with different lines and your rugs and your lighting and your furniture and all of it. But when you design it all, do you feel like, for you personally, you would love every piece like 25 years from now?

It has to take— it has to click that box for me. Sometimes we nail it, sometimes we don't. Sometimes I look back and go, I don't like that. We can just continue that. I feel bad about it, but like, it's okay. The ship has sailed. Don't like it, over it. But it's one of the first things I ask myself, would I like this this in 5 years? Did I like this 5 years ago? And I think that is how I typically approach most product design because we are in such a cyclical, trendy, what makes the most sense right now. And we are designing a year plus ahead of seasons. So I'm designing— I just submitted fall of 2027.

Yeah.

Which is wild. So you have to remove yourself from what's happening right now and you have to think a little bit in the future.

Right. Isn't that, you know, a lot of people don't realize like the product Yeah. Like, when I was in, you know, running IT Cosmetics. Oh yeah, we were 18 months out, sometimes 2 years out. And one of the things I loved is the company I built was not about trends. And I was like, all right, this product better be life-changing. It better be better than anything else out there. I want customers to wanna just have, like, use this forever and just keep rebuying it. And that also made my life so much easier 'cause I used to also feel bad for a lot of my friends who run trend makeup businesses 'cause they have to figure out what's gonna be hot 2 years from now, but then also it goes out of style Yeah. And so you are designing a year and a half out or over a year out.

Yes.

And doing that from a perspective that you have of like, will I love this forever? Will this— will somebody have this in their home and feel like, oh, I'm going to love this forever? Not like, oh, it's going to be out in 5 seconds.

Yeah.

Because a lot of the big brick-and-mortar retail stores are really just capitalizing on what's hot right now.

Yeah.

Which is a lot of pressure.

Yeah. And I think continue continuation of your aesthetic is really something that you need to focus on in the very get-go. So if you identify with being a more traditional designer, you can evolve and you can add more contemporary pieces, but it's just deciding, okay, this is my aesthetic, this is what I actually truly love. And then you have to just tune everything else out and design into what you feel is what you love. I mean, it's the same with homes. We've been doing those homes 5 years, 6 years sometimes.

Mm-hmm.

So you have to really choose materials that you know by the time the book comes out or by the time it launches into the world, that was— you made those decisions sometimes 5, 6 years ago. And it has to still feel current and it has to still feel amazing today, even though you were in the past designing it.

Yeah, when you, um, when you design for your own home or for other people's homes, no matter the range it is for budget, do you personally feel like there's a big difference between putting in like an Amber Lewis and Loloi rug that's, let's say, $1,000 versus a vintage rug that is a similar style that's $100,000? Do you personally think there's a big difference for a person?

Yes.

Yes.

I do, but it's the same thing as maybe buying organic or not buying organic. It's very different. It's two— it's like the same product, but one is just made a little bit more affordable and one is, you know, has a history or sourced a little bit more ethically or it's grown a little bit more safely, whatever that case may be. So typically when I'm buying a vintage rug, that's a kind of hard category to compare to because when you're designing mass products, you can't design with a hand, by someone who's hand-making something, right?

Right.

That price point is not going to be for everybody. It's going to be for a very limited person who can afford that.

Yeah.

So I think when I design products for a lower-end range or the kind of more affordable range, I try to think about it with the lens of would I put this in my house if I could, you know, at this price range? And the answer always has to be yes. The same thing, I have to say yes to everything, otherwise I won't design into it.

Yeah.

So I personally like a vintage rug so much. I just love that there's a story behind it. But if If we're on a budget, then we just shop for, you know, ones that look like it.

And do you think most people can't really tell the difference?

Well—

I know your eye can in 2 seconds. I know your eye can in 2 seconds.

Well, it's designed so that you can't tell the difference.

Yeah.

Yeah. And it's meant to be designed so that you can't tell the difference. And that's the encouraging thing. You want to be able to get the look if you can't afford necessarily the 100-year-old beautiful Tabriz rug.

Yeah, it's interesting. I have 3 Frenchies, 3 French bulldogs, who literally will ruin every rug. And 3 kids. And I find myself with rugs I've invested in, like, don't go on those. Don't go near those. And then, I have also bought— I have a couple of your rugs now from your LeLoy partnership. And what I love about them, first of all, when people come over, they freaking love them. They love those rugs even more than like some of the ones I've invested Yeah. Because I think most people, most people can't tell.

I was going to say, can they tell the difference?

No, they just like freak out over how silky they are when you walk on them and how they feel. And I think they're printed design, right? Like, yeah. And then the thing I like about it is that I don't feel like it's going to possess— I don't feel like my possession is going to possess me because my dogs just peed on it again.

Yeah.

Or something like that. So I kind of love the balance of it depending on the room. But they're so chic.

Thank you.

Yeah.

We design products that can be lived in. in. I hate— and even on my projects that are fancy schmancy, I want people to put their sandy feet on the coffee table. I want things to get better with age, and that's how I design. I don't ever want anything to feel too precious. If you spent $500,000 on a rug, first of all, I wouldn't ever let you. Number one, like, don't do that.

Yeah.

Maybe there's a world in which there's some client who just wants that thing.

Yeah.

But ultimately, I don't like to design that either because good Good gracious, is that just so much pressure? Nobody wants to live like that. You're right.

I agree.

Who wants to be worried that they can't live in the space that they just spent so much money on?

Right.

You wanna then be able to use it. What's the point?

What's the point? I was gonna ask you about that, 'cause a lot of us were raised, um, you know, if we were blessed enough to have a home.

Yeah.

Or we went to our grandma's home. A lot of us have been in a home where there are like, Like that room is off limits.

Yeah.

No kids in that. Don't touch anything.

The fancy room. The fancy room.

The formal. What are your thoughts on, should we have that in our house or is that a waste of space?

I think it's a waste of space. And I mean, I, you know, I say that, in my new house, I have a room that is our quote formal living room because the family room is attached to the kitchen on the other side. I appreciate it and I will, but I'm gonna use it. And I encourage you to use it. You never want a space that you can't use. What's the point? What's the point? Get everything, like I say, when I'm asking you to curate your space, I want you to curate memories in that space as well. I want you to use the house and live in the house. Some of my favorite memories are from homes. It's not from, you know, being on the random, like at a restaurant.

Right.

It's in a house. It's the memories and the experiences that were had within your walls.

Right, right.

You spend so much time there too.

Yeah. Well, and for someone who has a rental and they can't paint, And they can't do anything.

Yeah.

What's a tip you have for them on just how to make it feel like theirs?

Rugs and pillows.

Rugs and pillows.

Always rugs and pillows. It's a really easy swap and change, and it can really put a stamp of your personality on very easily. You love a vintage-inspired rug? Put one down. You love vintage-inspired pillows or really beautiful plain pillows? That will change a space Immediately. Immediately.

What— how big should a rug be for a room?

Always my theory and my philosophy is you have to at least get the front 2 legs of furniture pieces onto the rug. So you never want all of your furniture, or like if you were to have a sofa and the rug is in the middle, no, no, that's a number one no-no for me. You always have to have at least your 2 front legs of your sofa Bonus points if you can get all 4 on. And the same thing with chairs. If you can have all of your chair legs on a rug, then it's the right size.

And how much space between the wall and where the rug starts in your ideal world of, let's say, a living room, family room?

There's no formula, but I think bigger the better.

Bigger the rug, the better.

Yeah, I really agree that bigger rugs are better in my opinion. I think they just add a lot of warmth and texture and layer to a space that you can't really get if it's just Just empty. I think it's like you have echo and then the lighting feels different. I think big. Big.

And for a bedroom, should it be under your whole bed? Should it come out?

Well, it should be under your whole bed, but in front of your nightstands.

In front of?

Yeah, 3 to 4 inches in front of your nightstands, sometimes a little bit more. It depends on the space, but it should go past your nightstands, in front of your nightstands, and past your— the front, the foot of your bed.

The foot of your bed. Okay, I love— see, we are getting, we are getting the insider secrets here.

There is not There's not a full one-size-fits-all formula.

Yeah.

But I also encourage people to really think about what feels right and what feels wrong in a space. I think we're all a lot more creatively in tune than we think that we are. And if you are like, does this look right? I'm not sure. Think about it, ponder about it a little bit longer, 'cause I guarantee you'll figure out if it's right for you. And then I encourage you to, you know, do what's right for you. If it feels weird, then you're probably right.

Okay, this is one thing that's like, It seems so simple, but it is not.

Okay.

How do we know how many pillows to have on a couch?

I mean, you're asking the wrong girl.

Or a bed? Well, because you do lots. You do lots of pillows.

I've been collecting and hoarding pillows since I can remember. I've been making pillows since I can remember. So, I don't think that there's a formula, but I like at least 2 in each corner, at least 2.

Okay.

Of a sofa.

Of a sofa. Is there any such thing as too many?

Yes, there is. I can't believe I'm saying that, but yes, there is definitely too many. Sometimes when you see, you know, those beds that are stacked with 4 or 5 in front of each side, that's too many. You don't need that many. Yeah, less is more. I think we go 4 decorative on a king-size bed or a queen-size bed. Okay.

I know you're not a big trends person, but what trend are you glad is maybe starting to fade? And what do you think, what trend do you hope sticks around?

Well, I, I don't love how there's a lot, there's a lot of arches. Everything's arched right now, which I'm kind of over. And it's not that there's— that they're bad. I just think it's a trend and it's sort of everyone just caught on to this being like a very trendy thing.

And I read you said this, like if it's like a modern house that has where it's not like fitting and people are putting in arches versus if it's an actual like Spanish-style house where that's authentic to its architecture.

You want it to be an authentic decision for the architecture. I think you can add it in, in furniture here and there. It is what it is. But I think ultimately try to choose things that match the actual architecture of the house. Don't just put in an arch because you want to put in an arch. I just think it looks like you put in an arch and then it's going to date itself. You're going to be remembering that, oh yeah, in '24, '25, '26, it was arches.

Mm-hmm.

It ties it very specifically to a moment in time, and you want it to be timeless in that sense. You want it to feel very vaguely, was it then? Was it not then? I don't know.

Who knows? And is there anything that's trendy that you're like, oh, this is actually really good, and I hope it's like here to stay?

I think people are really gravitating towards color, which I'm excited about, and really kind of adding a lot more pops of it, which I think that has never really changed for me. I have add pops of color in so much that I do, and I'm really drawn to kind of saturated, beautiful colors. Beautiful tones. So I'm happy that that seems to be making a little comeback.

For someone who has heirlooms that are really special and sentimental, but they have a modern house or they have a, you know, spec house or they have a whatever it might be, they want their home to be sort of modern and whatever's going on right now, but then they have these heirlooms. How do you, how do you, I love so much, by the way, that, and you guys will see You'll see this if you pick up Interiors, Amber's brand new book, or just hop onto her Instagram, onto her storefront that you can go to in person in California or online. But you mix a lot of things. I feel like you mix them really well. And sometimes people feel like, oh, I have this heirloom and I love it. It reminds me of my family or a specific moment, but they don't know what to do 'cause they feel like it doesn't match what they have.

Yeah.

So how do you figure out How to weave that in and make it work?

Well, first of all, try not to match. I think if you adopt the idea that not matching is maybe part of your aesthetic or kind of having this a little bit more eclectic idea, an eclectic idea will really go a long way in my opinion. So I think that adding different genres of styles of furniture or texture or textiles or colors is actually what makes spaces really interesting. So I just say lean into it and go for it and just make it part of kind of your aesthetic identity.

Just do it.

Just do it. Yeah, if you love it, then that's the whole— that's what's trending. Do what you love.

Yeah. Is there something a lot of people buy but then you think is not worth the money?

Well, I think things that are worth the money, because I don't know if there's anything specifically that isn't worth the money if it's something that you are really drawn to. But I think what will be a huge investment and is something that people should invest in is really nice, good quality upholstery.

Mm-hmm.

Especially if we're sitting like in a family room or a sofa. I think you should be paying attention to the way that something feels and sits. You don't really want to go through sofas and go through chairs and go through coffee tables and stuff like— you want your living spaces to feel really curated and And thoughtful and like they're not cheap. So I would say upholstery pieces are a good investment to make.

When someone's home, when they feel like something's off energetically or like, like just something's not right, um, you've been inside so many homes. I'm sure you go into so many friends' homes. Do you have, first of all, do you have the instinct when you walk into someone's house where you wanna rearrange stuff?

Yeah.

All the time?

It's psycho. Yeah.

And do you say anything or do you like keep it inside? Oh, never.

I, no, I'm too kind to say something unless Unless you're like a real good friend and someone asks me their opinion and I'll just sort of smile and go, yeah, you're probably onto something.

You probably wanna move this here and that there and this there. That does not work.

Or just, it's not that, it's just how do you better a space? It's not that I'm judging a space, it's that I know what I can do to make it feel a little bit different or better. And sometimes that is rearranging or sometimes that's adding or sometimes that's subtracting.

Yeah.

Just walking in.

What would you say makes a home often look energetically off? Even if someone spent a lot of money on the stuff in there.

Honestly, when things are—

Coming up in this incredible part 2 episode with Amber Lewis.

Oh, gosh. Do you do this to— do you make people cry all the time? I can't believe I'm crying. It's tough to talk about. MS gave me that perspective of just, I have a different fire under my ass now.

Really?

Yeah, because tomorrow isn't a guarantee.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I'm so honored you're here.

Thank you.

Blessing all of us with your time.

Thank you.

Right now, Amber Lewis is one of the most talented, buzzed about, and in-demand interior designers right now, and she is here in person today with you and me to help us curate our own spaces, make our homes more magical, more livable, and even more us. What would you say What makes a home often look energetically off, even if someone spent a lot of money on the stuff in there?

Honestly, when things are—

Everyone wants to know, what's your favorite white paint?

I have a few go-tos, but one of my favorites is—

The color around us can change how we feel. When it comes to kitchens, what's something that really, really matters, and what's something maybe that people get wrong a lot? How do you make a small room look bigger? What is something that often people will DIY, but you're like, oh no, no, no, it's actually really worth— even if you're on a tight budget, it's really worth spending the money of actually hiring someone to do it who really, this is what they do?

Honestly—

Amber Lewis is a seasoned interior designer, founder of a full-service design firm, Amber Interiors, touting clients across the country. The genius behind the brick-and-mortar and online retail stores Shop Amber Interiors. And as a result of her remarkable love from her customers and demand for her talents, in recent years she's expanded her business into successful multi-year furniture, rug, textile, and decor collaborations with companies you love like Anthropologie, Loloi, Visual Comfort, and more. She's published 2 bestselling books, Call It Home and Made for Living, and her brand new third book, a new home renovation and interior design book called Interiors: Curated Spaces from Start to Finish, is available everywhere books are sold. And not only is she sharing answers to all of your most pressing design questions, she's also opening up like never before. We all go through things. We're all carrying Things that no one can ever know or imagine unless they're inside our world.

He just very clearly just said, yeah, you just have MS. MS is invisible, and that is the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with. It's been a whirlwind. I've— one of the greatest things that's ever happened to me, bizarrely, has been this diagnosis. The perspective shift is something that you only get through a traumatic event. It's not anything I would have ever thought I needed because I was on such a mission to grow and big, big, big, next, next, next. And all of a sudden you get sick and everything stops. You are just in your body, in your body that is failing you, and you no longer are living for anybody else. You're just trying to get through the day. And that is something that I would have never known had I not been given the perspective of this disease. I try to look at MS with a very day-to-day, how am I feeling today? If I let myself get too far ahead of myself with thinking about the future is when I tend to kind of collapse a little.

Yeah.

And feel very overwhelmed. I was with my ex from when I was 22 years And our life was really his life. We'd built everything together. We were a really, really, really strong team, and we still are a very strong team. But marriage is tough. We went through a lot of trauma. Our married life was struggling, and it was really hard. It was horrible. It was the hardest thing I think I've ever gone through. Taking those hard looks at your life are some— it's when the most change and evolution happens. Getting sick, my whole rug was taken from underneath me. I had to look at every single thing and the people in my life too. I work with him every single day.

He's my best friend. He's your best friend right now?

And we love each other so much.

Are you dating anyone now?

Yeah.

Do you think if you had never worked together Do you think if you had not been diagnosed with MS that you would still be married?

I do actually think that.

Really?

You have to look back at your partnership as well and think, well, this is why.

You have a huge, thriving, avid fan community. I read that people have asked you to sign their, their chest, their boobs.

Yes.

When people are often successful, usually it's not an accident. And to understand who Amber is behind Amber, hearing how you've navigated really tough decisions, I mean, you're a badass. You're a badass, and you're really tough, and you're really ambitious, and you're no joke. And, and seeing that side of you— I'm getting emotional now. Everyone else cries on my show, but I'm, like, crying right now because I'm just like, I love this.

Oh, man.

Oh, man.

It's like a therapy session, ma'am.

It's so beautiful.

Oh, thank you.

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