Transcript of The Big Suey: "The Diet of a Lion" by Greg Cote (feat. Ichabod Crane)

Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast.

I'm sorry.

I'm not going to apologize for that.

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, Fatface and the Pitchou a Liar.

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There's a Paul Mescal and a Pedro Pascal. It's all too much. James Harden is making another mess. I want to get to that. Roger Goodell spoke yesterday. The Rooney Rule needs a lot of help. He does this annually. He gets in front of reporters and tries to give answers to things, but it's a bad position for him to be in because they've got a lot of stuff that's hard to handle. And obviously, the Rooney Rule, among other things, is a disaster. It clearly doesn't work. He knows it doesn't work. They've been trying to make it work for 20 years, and it's always the white people that get hired by the white people. And it's better than it's been, but it's not because of the Rooney Rule. And if I were a black coach in that league, be inserted by the fact that they almost always have to be reminded, Hey, you got to do this, right? You can go through this pretend interview because it's good for the black candidates to have their names associated with your to end interviews, but it's not a real thing. We know you're always going to hire the guy that you're more comfortable with.

I want to get to some Roger Goodell sound, but I was surprised by this with James Harden last night. I shouldn't have been because it's James Harden.

Yeah, because he does it every two years.

I shouldn't have been, but I still was surprised by it. You want to take people through the details of what a mess this is? Because you guys just got done saying the Clippers started the season awful. They looked old. We were talking about, is OKC going to get Another number one pick because they're going to be the worst team in the league? And then the last, I don't know, three weeks, they've been playing the best basketball in the sport, better than Detroit. Last night, they get smoked, and it's because of this. They get smoked at home by Philadelphia, and it's because James Harden is being James Harden again.

They're totally back in at the Clippers after such a miserable start to the season. I think they'd won before last night where they got killed by Philadelphia, predictably so. I think they'd won 17 out of 20. So there's still a couple of games under 500, but they're back in the playoff picture out West. And then out of nowhere, or maybe not out of nowhere, James Harden was listed out last night for personal reasons. And the personal reason is he personally doesn't want to play for the Clippers anymore. So he has essentially He demanded a trade, and it's very similar to the Jimmy Butler situation last year, where James Harden, it's not where he wants to trade because the team isn't good. No, the team's been playing great, and they're going to be, or they were going to be a playoff team. It's because even though he's under contract right now making a lot of money, and he's also under contract next year making a lot of money. No, no, no. But what about in four years from now? Why won't you give me money for four years from now? Oh, you're not going to do that?

I'm not playing here anymore, which was exactly Exactly what happened with Jimmy Butler last year. And look, it's a part about the NBA player that has really turned me off over the last few years. He's under contract to play right now and next year. And play basketball.

I'm with you. Harden's at the age where we stopped doing that. There is a tipping point. You mentioned Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler was right to look for that extra security because he was probably more self-aware than we gave him credit for when it came to his body breaking down the minutes, the coaches that he's played for. But yeah, Harden, when does it end? We're at that point in your career where people are going to look back at his career and be bewildered by how many teams he played for.

Every two years, he requests a trade, literally.

What is the market value for a James Harden?

Oh, I think you can get a lot for him.

Like a lot? They're talking about Darius Garland.

Darius Garland is a market.

Who has no toe, by the way.

He hasn't been playing because he doesn't have a toe.

Wait, Wait, I don't think there's a great market for James Harden at 37, although there will be a market for him.

What categorize this good market? What does that mean?

Well, not Darius Garland.

Something better, you're saying?

I mean, that's not- He has nine toes?

No, his toe is hurt. He hurt his toe in the off. Okay.

The Cleveland's confusing to me. I keep expecting him and them to be better, and they're not because he's not, at least in part. But the thing I wanted to say about what Zaz is saying, I agree Most people listening to this would just say, Yeah, Zaz, play contract, guy. But Jimmy Butler got his money. He did what he had to do in order to get $112 million for two years, $60 million a year because he was at the end of the road and he used the only leverage that he had. James Hard is not going to have any leverage at the end of this contract. This is the only time he has it. I'm sorry, he's a businessman mercenary who's just there for the paycheck. Jack, and I'm sorry he urinates on your sports ideals and you want to believe in team. This is the only time he's going to have that leverage for the remainder of his career. This is the time. If someone's going to give him a contract, it would only be now.

I feel like he's exercised the very leverage that you're outlining several times in his career, in which he's earned a half a billion dollars. He's 36 years old. He wants more. All right, cool. I guess he's just remaining consistent throughout his career. But at what point does a superstar realize, All right, I've had it pretty good. Let me try to win. We're playing good ball over here. Let me see this contract through.

Well, and Dan, when you say he wants more, yes, of course he wants more, but it's like, he's under contract for two more seasons. What's the line? He's under contract.

He signed the contract. Jimmy Butler just showed you. He got his money. Jimmy Butler got his money and then got hurt, got his last $112 million. That's the line.

Right. And the part that I would push back on, everything you're saying makes sense for the individual player. It obviously worked out really well for Jimmy Butler, but you can't I would possibly be confused why a fan like myself would hate this situation.

Why would I be okay with it? Of course, nobody supports this except James Harden. Nobody supports this except the player.

Well, guys, you guys are doing a parallel thing between him and Jimmy Butler. Look up, look higher. Lebron James has been doing this the same way.

Him and the Lakers are at odds right now. Why? Because they don't want to extend them. They have two different timelines between Luke and him.

But he's not refusing to play.

I mean, not publicly. He did miss sciatica.

You accused him of refusing to play.

You were the guy that made me believe that.

You literally said that.

At least say you're into it. That's actually true.

Are you the bullshit? You convinced me.

Journalism. I did say that.

If LeBron is doing it as the top in the face of the league, why wouldn't James Harden do it?

I did say that.

That's the first time I've ever seen shame on Zez that isn't about him speaking poorly.

It's not shame. It's just admission. I got his ass.

That's what it was.

I got his ass. We're talking this way because you got us on your team.

The sports fan is always going to be entitled to tell the employee who wants leverage, get back out there, when's it about winning? Come on, be about the team. James Harden, very clearly, has never been about the team. James Harden, very clearly, is about the money. James Harden, very clearly, is not about winning. James Harden is about James Harden.

Sports has become the Wild Wild West. There's no sanctity left in the contract. There's no sanctity left in the scholarship. A quarterback goes from Duke to Miami because he wants to, and a player in the NBA goes from one team to the other because he pouts his way.

It's the freedom all us employees would love to have.

I'm not saying it isn't, but is it good for sports? It's certainly not good for fans that are losing players who they thought were under contract.

It hasn't been bad for the business of sports. You can lament it all you want, but the business of sports is doing fine in spite of this.

Is this, I guess, him going to Cleveland? We're fit, him playing in Cleveland.

I'd much rather have James Harder than Darius Garland. Sure, of course.

I don't know if I could get through to him, but you're 36. You're one of the few people that gets along with Kawhi. You're playing good ball. You're in LA. We made it. We made a half a billion in our career. Let's go. You don't want to go to Cleveland. You don't want to do this. Come on, let's just stick it out. Let's try to win here. No?

Can someone get me the reckless speculation sounder? Can we make that happen? Anybody?

Time to throw away all journalistic credibility and get reckless. Here is something we like to call reckless speculation. You're good.

James Harden and the Clippers know that Kawhi is going to be suspended for the aspiration stuff. It's why Kawhi was snubbed from playing in the All-Star Game. And James Harden, despite them playing really good ball together and being boys with Kawhi Leonard, wants out, and they're willing to go with a younger piece in Garland because they're trying to clear their books and get off of everything that's about to happen.

I I like this theory.

I love this theory, but I got some questions to start with. I love this theory.

I love the theory, too. I loved it more the first time I heard it when Wynhorst offered it.

The reaction within the league has been universal between the executives that I've talked to, which is Kawhi Leonard doesn't make the team. So okay, that happens. Players get snubbed. Kawhi's numbers are phenomenal, but the game is obviously add into it, though. And the wonder is, did he not make this team because the coaches didn't vote because of the accusations of the improper contract.

Sound like he forgot the name of the company.

That's the seed, though. I think Jeremy took it next level.

I'm yes-handing on Windhorsed. Windhorses giving me information and saying, Hey, I think this might be because of aspiration. And what I'm saying to you is, you got to connect the dots between that part of it and James Harden in the midst of the Clippers playing incredible basketball, all of a sudden saying, Nope, I want to-Not journalism. It's reckless speculation.

My first question, though, is, okay, if that's why... And I could ask this question of Wintors as well, but he's not here, so I'm going to ask you. Were the coaches given a memo? Don't vote James Harding.

Implied pressure. The league said nothing, but everyone felt it.

I mean that or it was already decided that no matter what the vote was, Kawhi Leonard would not.

Adam Silver cook the books? Say it. Say, Cook the books.

I will recklessly speculate that Adam Silver cook the books on the All-Star Game. How about that? Good for you.

That hurt. Breflessly. Collusion.

Good for you. Please, if the broadcasts go to the NBA, continue to hire me.

Mike, you know I have one rule to live by, right?

Don't place parlays on multiple long shots. Don't say a game is one when it hasn't hit triple zero.

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Everything else?

Everything else.

We're in clean underwear every day?

Well, that's just a personal decision.

Brushing your teeth?

Obviously smart, but not a rule.

Never PP on an electric fence.

Okay, maybe there are two rules, but the one that is 100% that I insist on completely, Jägermeister must be drunk ice cold. Or don't drink it at all. Damn, that's cold. Exactly. You're finally starting to get it.

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Don Levatard. Is there Back in My Day?

There is, actually.

What? Were you not going to tell anyone?

Wait a minute. You guys, guys, it's a Tuesday.

Stugatz.

Here's your guy, Greg Coty with Back in My Day.

Shit, I hope not.

Okay, here it is. Sorry. Adultery.

That is it. Yeah.

We are back.

We are waiting for this one.

This is the Dan Levatard Show with the Stugats.

Greg Cody of the Miami Harold has a Back in My Day. He also has a podcast I urge you to listen to, The Greg Cody Show featuring Greg Cody, where he is in the middle of a giant countdown of his top 50 catchphrases of all time, even though he's got only 21 good ones. So he's got the greatest 50 ones of all time.

We're already a fifth done. We're down to 40. Down to 41.

Can you give me another one? Just so that the audience notices how hard it was to get to 50 because you guys should have done the top 21 catchphrases of all time. Can you give me some of the others we've never heard before because you're in the middle of the top 50?

Dad, to tease this week's episode, which has Zazla on it, by the way, why don't you give the two we didn't reveal last week?

I don't remember them.

One was Scranton.

No, that was the week before, wasn't it?

See, Dan, there's so many good ones.

It's hard to remember. So many good ones.

My dad going, Scranton. But the name of a city is not a catchphrase.

It's just- It is when you say it, Scranton.

It is.

Where's, Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant.

That's probably top 30.

Yeah, that hadn't even made it yet. But I'll give you one that I just did, which is, Hey, hey, we're the monkeys, baby. That's a good one. That was number 41.

He's been doing it my whole life. Do you know right now what your top 10 is? No.

Wait, that's not the one that I know. There's another layer to the-What's the next layer to that?

People say we're monkeying around. No, don't you go, Hey, hey, we're the Hey, heys? Yeah, that's an alternate. I love that. That's an alternate. Hey, hey, we're the Hey, hey. Yeah, I mentioned that because I do an anatomy of all these things. I do a a genealogy on how all of these things develop.

Okay, but if you don't have the top 10 yet, you're not worried that you're going to get to top 10 and you're out of catchphrase?

No, I think he... Wait a minute. You must know... Wait, I can't.

No, Zaz's frustration about a week or two ago was true. He had started the list without completing it. You know what I mean? It's hard to know what number 48 is if you haven't done the top 10. But now I think he has at least now gotten- It's all under control.

It's all under control.

But can then we recap? Look, I don't think we're spoiling anything by sending people to the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody and telling them that, Here are the 10 that have been revealed so far. Can we do this, please? We'll make it a top 10 here, but it'll be 50 through 40. You can't do it off the top of your head. You're just going to say, Chris, what are they? I don't remember my catch phrases. I don't remember how we rank them. Where can I get them right now so that we can do these 10?

Okay, but every week before I reveal the latest two, I do a recap of all of them till then.

Yes, you can get that in the episode, but we can do that for this audience, dad. Do you have the full list in front of you? No. Dan wants to go from 50 to 40.

I don't have it in front of me.

Okay, well, can you go get it, please?

It's on my podcast. You can play the podcast.

I need it.

Play a clip from the podcast.

It's on my podcast.

Somewhere in the air.

Just play a clip from it that has me.

The The other one from this week-Thank you for all your help. The other one from this week was Ballin' the Jack.

Yeah, that's number 42.

Ballin' the Jack, which is any time we're rushing somewhere, we're on the way to baseball practice, we're on the highway, and it's like, Dad, we're Ballin' the Jack.

Yeah. We're moving it, baby. It's time you're moving quick. Well, that's a 1913 song, or maybe it was 1916. And around that time-I think it was '16.

You might as well play the Back in My Day music while he explains this, even though we have a Back in My Day more later in the show, because why wouldn't you start with, This was back in 1916.

Right around that time, coincidentally, railway workers, railroad workers, would refer to Ballon the Jack because their nickname for a locomotive, for a train, was a jack. So Ballon the Jack meant the train was moving at a high rate of speed. And then Jack Kerouac, in his On the Road novel, also referred to Ballin' the Jack in terms of highway travel. So I adopted that, and I've said Ballin' the Jack frequently. Not on the air so much, but in my private life. I thought you were talking about playing jacks. No.

Is this Ballin' the Jack like Ballin the Jack or Ballin the Jack?

No, Ballin, B-A-L-I-N. Never put the G on there. It really changes the whole feel of it. Thank you. You're welcome. That's it. It's an abbreviated back in my day, Ball on the Jack. Jack.

Can't wait for 39.

Yeah. Yeah, I can't either. 40 comes first.

Do you know what 40 is yet?

Not yet.

See, what are we doing? Craig, did you just laugh? Did you just laugh out loud at something Louis said in your ear? Yes.

I couldn't help it. It was funny. Yeah, but do you-Thanks, Louis.

Yeah.

Gagging the Goose. Of course. Choking the frog. I mean, there's a million of them. Of course. Half of them would sound dirty if we keep doing it.

You think gagging the Goose doesn't?

I don't know what that means. Why'd you laugh at it? Why'd you say it? Slam and the ham. I mean, ball on the jack is not dirty.

He'll say anything.

You know, that thing.

That's going to be number one. No. You just gave away-It's got to be a top 10. It's going to be in your top 10.

We might make the top 20. I'm going to say that.

There's no way that thing isn't in the top 10. You don't have 10 better than that. Oh, you don't know.

Trailers for sailor rent. Rooms to the 50 Cent.

Good idea, Dan.

What's that voice?

I love it. It's a great question for you to ask. No, it's great. That's my inner monolog. Back to the shadow. It had no place right there. There was no reason for my inner monolog to be singing. Oops, there goes another ruby tree plant. Greg, it's a great question for you to ask why that voice. For future reference, that voice is always my secret inner monolog. He was there incorrectly to sing a song. It was in my head. Your head. Greg, are you ready to do back in my day since- You know it. Since we're here.

Yeah, I was born ready.

Okay, because you're coughing, and I might need to give you a minute here to get your things in order. You look a little red-faced. You look a little Winded. You okay?

A little red-faced.

Big numbers for Greg Cody show this week. I was on it.

We mentioned that already. I heard that Zazlo and Greg Cody. That had to be good because that's a big surprise. I could not have imagined that ever being a thing. They asked A year ago. They asked me.

Yeah, I was happy to have him. I'm glad he said yes.

It would have been awkward if I said no.

We talk about your shit stirring between them. They unite together in your shit stirring.

But Zaz knows I'm not telling anybody anything that isn't true.

Zaz tells a story on the podcast about a O. J. Mcduffie Super Bowl party, which is worth the price of admission. That story alone is worth tuning in.

That is how you tease something, not ball in the jack. That is how you tease the podcast, right there. Not crappy sayings in the '40s because you don't have 40 catchphrases.

Yeah, you'll find out, won't you?

I won't. Yeah, well- I already have. I already have found out you don't have '40 because Ballin' the Jack just made an appearance. I've never heard you say it. I've known you my entire adult life. I've never heard you say that.

Look, the catchphrase countdown is an amalgam of stuff that I say on your show, stuff that I say on my show, stuff that I say in my private life.

Lean back from the mic.

Not everything is something uttered for public consumption. Some of it, only Christopher and my family have heard.

You betrayed me on my engagement because everything for public consumption.

Yeah, but your engagement, that story I did, did not produce a catchphrase, unfortunately.

That's not really- Betraying it. For the betrayal. Blanking it might be on the countdown.

Just the blanket, playing it, this in it. Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, that's a favorite of mine. So since I'm doing the countdown, chances are that will be on there.

I'm worried about you because you're a little winded. Are you ready to do it back in my day? You're out of practice. You don't have the stamina for these things that you used to have.

Brian Windedhorst. Yeah, I'm ready. And now it is time to take a trip down memory lane. Here's your guy, Greg Coty with Back in My Day. Reviews. This is a true story, and you've all experienced something similar and Constantly, I dare say. So I go to get a haircut at my local chain store Barber the other day, and before I'm even home, there's an email from the place waiting for me with the subject line, Thank you for your visit. How was it? Your review matters, it goes on. Share your experience on Google reviews here. Seriously? I just spent 23 bucks not counting TIP for a 20-minute cut, and now you want a personal endorsement? I haven't yet seen publish the review I I sent, which read, My stylist appeared drunk and I left with an unwanted mohawk. No actual review I had done. If I had done one, would have said, I walked in, waited a bit, got the haircut I asked for, paid the amount due, and left. It was a typically unremarkable, soulless commercial exchange, just the kind I prepare. Reviews, please. Back in my day, once you closed a deal, nobody cared how you thought it went.

There was no Google reviews with to brag or complain. You didn't like your haircut, you complained to your wife and waited for it to grow in. Now you can't buy a cup of coffee or a book of stamps without being asked to share your experience. And heaven forbid, Amazon drops a package on your stoop and you ignore the calls for a review. They hound you like a landlord chasing past due rent. Everybody wants a review. Heck, my neighbors happen to have a son in the hospital. The other day, I asked, How's the boy doing? And he tells me. And the next day, I get an an email from my neighbor asking, How was my experience? Could I leave a review? So I did. Frank hesitated slightly before answering when I first asked, making me feel a bit defensive as if I were prying, I wrote on Google reviews. Plus, he borrows stuff he doesn't return. He still has my hoe. I tell you what, places where I do business, listen up. Unless you hear otherwise from me directly, assume my transaction was stultifyingly mundane, yet unremarkably relatively satisfactory in its way. If it was top-tier great, I'm going to tell you before I leave.

If it was abysmal and left me angry, you'll hear from my lawyers, McGillicuddy, Pedafogger, and Scheister. Who trusts reviews anyway, other than my wife? Here's the dirty secret. If she reads me a glowing review for Carmine's wood fired pizza, I assume Carmine himself wrote it under a pseudonym. If it's a vicious review, I assume it was written by his bitter archrival up the street, Enzo's Doughot. Retailers, it's very simple. You had something I wanted, I bought it, you got paid. It's called commerce. End of transaction. Quit hectoring me for a review. I'm Greg Cody, and that's how it was back in my day.

It's so true. We're back, Jack. It's so true. We give that one a good review.

Yeah, Tony, I have to say to you something here, letting you see behind the curtain here on When I know that Greg Cody is nailing it. You laugh the way that Izzy laughs at Greg Cody because out of nowhere, there's a pedafogger in there, and you're like, Wait a minute. What was that? What was happening there?

I like the soulless transaction.

That was funny. Thank you.

But I can tell that you're laughing at him the same way you'd be laughing at him in your car when you were driving around 10 years ago listening to this show because... No, but that's how people... A hundred %? That is when I know that Greg Cody is at his very best when you are delighting people who are rooting for you to be funny and are like, Yeah, Dan's not going to like that pedafogger. That's dangerous. We got the Epstein files. Where is he going with that? We don't want it. Why would a lawyer-Enzo's Doe Hut.

Thank you.

I don't know, but he's back there and he's beaming. He's just radiant listening to you.

I missed back in my day.

He still hasn't brought me back my hoe.

He still has my hoe.

That was my personal favorite line. Dan Levatard. I heard that as a woman faking pain. I didn't think that sounded real. I really didn't.

It was not fake. It was in no way fake.

You can spot a woman faking it.

Stugatz. Yes, I can, Jess. Expert. I've been married 40 years. This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stugatz. Well, there's something I learned from Edwin Pope, our great mentor. Every column he would write would educate me in a way because there would be a word I didn't know. I don't know whether he did it intentionally or not, but pedafogger is a word. A scary word. It has nothing to do with pedophile.

What is the word? I've never heard that word.

Pedafogger is someone like a cheat. It would be a synonym for Scheister. I don't know the exact definition offhand, but if you look it up, I think it has to do with somebody you wouldn't trust or something of that nature.

An inferior legal practitioner, especially one who deals with petty cases or employs dubious practices. So Saul Goodman, essentially.

Well, but that would be an unusual name to have in the middle of your law firm's name. Yes, exactly. That's the joke.

Someone should come back and say, This tested poorly.

Why is McGillicuddy on the front end of that? If it's McGillicuddy- They're always there. But did you know that McGillicuddy was the head of the law firm that also has a Scheister and a Petafogger? Because I didn't. I thought McGillicuddy was straight. I thought your doctor, McGillicuddy, and your lawyer McGillicuddy and your liquor McGillicuddy. I thought all of those things- It's the fourth brother, Dan.

Okay, he's in a different law firm. The McGillicuddy, my doctor, and McGillicuddy, my attorney, they're different people, but brothers.

There's another thing that I wanted to ask you because you brought up reviews. I don't know when the movie review started. I associate the televised movie review with Cisco and Ebert, but they were writing for their newspapers before that. But when and how did people know that movies were good or not good before? The review.

Like before- Word of mouth. Word of mouth.

But it would just be word of mouth, right? It would be like, that's not a great way. It's not a great way to- To get home, call your friend, and be like, Hey, I saw a great flick.

Really? I saw that movie. It sucked. That's the whole point. That's what I was talking about yesterday.

You have these rotten tomatoes. Everybody's got an opinion. Nobody's got a good one. Everybody's like, Oh, this is great. Oh, this sucked. It's always a battle.

Yeah. I mean, years and years ago, if there was a good movie in the theater, it would get more and more money each week. Now, the peak of the movie is the opening weekend, and it's always downhill after that.

I imagine that over Super Bowl week here, and Fred Warner is going to join us. We're going to postpone Chris Mad Dog do so until tomorrow as the Super Bowl week gets hyped up over Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday more than it does the first couple of days. But Zack Lowe, in the middle of this is going to be the trade deadline stuff, the James Harden stuff that's making an appearance. You're going to see this ratchet up, and we'll see if big names get traded or not. But Zack Lowe is saying on the conversations he's had with every team that's interested in Giannis, They're all a little bit skeptical that the Bucks are going to move him now. One front office person of one of those teams called this a sideshow, saying, This is just for show. They aren't going to trade him. 80/20, they keep him, is what I keep hearing. So he's saying Was it Windhorse that was saying 51/49? So that's a big move. Now, Zazel says none of these people know anything. I don't believe these two people don't know anything. I do believe they're talking to people. I also believe they're He's constantly being lied to.

Well, he said also that he's being told by the front office executives, they think 80/20, but he still thinks it's 50/50. So ultimately, I don't know where it stands. Is it 50/50, 51/49, 80/20? No matter what the deal is, he'd have the Where it stands is they're all lying to him because no one would have any reason to tell Zack Lo the truth there.

Also, he said side show. What's the difference? Is it a dog and pony show or is it a side show?

Well, tell me what a side show is because I know what a dog and pony show is. I don't actually know what a side show is. Was there something near the circus, nearby?

Was there a- A freak show? Where's a freak show falling?

It's a side show. A freak show is a side show.

I think a freak show is showtime.

I think a side show is the thing that's not It's not as big. There's a little something going on over here, too.

I think it's the guest house behind the circus tent. I don't think that's where the big shows are. I think it's a show on the side.

I think the main show is the lion is jumping through a flaming hoop, and the sideshow is is the seal balancing something on his nose. That's a good one.

You just took me from a circus to like, now I'm at a sequerian.

No, he's right.

There is a seal on a drum who's holding up a ball with his nose, and he's trying to balance.

Yeah, but that's pretty impressive, too. Thank you, but That's also impressive. I don't think of that as a sideshow. I think you have to go outside the tent, and then the sideshow is just somebody guessing your weight in a nearby carnival. Like the strongest man on Earth who looks like the dumbbells. It's amazing that a seal's got a ball on its nose and the lion's jumping through open.

I'd pay attention to that seal.

I don't think these things would be together. I think the lion might eat the seal. You got a problem on your hands that no kid wants to see at the circuit. Jeremy, can you get me some information, though, on the sideshow so that we can get a formal definition for what Zack Lo is reporting that this Yannis thing might be 80/20, according to executives who are lying to him, but 50/50, according to him.

I love who the guy hearing it doesn't believe it. He's being told 80/20. He's like, But I take that info, and I'm telling you 50/50.

I'm being lied to. I'm being lied to so often.

The one getting the information.

That's right. It's so good. That's right. You would think he would believe it. No, but that's what's happening is he knows they're lying to him. They know they're lying to him. So he just takes the number and he moves it because it's a formula.

I'll tell you what you're telling me, I want this known. I don't believe that.

Yeah. Why does the reporter just say, I heard that they're talking to this team and they're talking to this team, but I don't believe it?

So you know that he's talking to people.

There it is.

And in real life, a lion is never in the company of a seal. That's correct.

That's why it doesn't work.

It would be fascinating to see how the lion reacted to that seal.

It would eat the seal. Hungry.

I don't know about that.

Okay.

I think the lion would go, What's that? Give me a hyena. Give me my usual lunch.

Oh, look, a hyena that's not moving.

A small show or stall at an exhibition, fair, or circus. Alt definition, a minor or diverting incident or issue, especially one that distracts attention from something more important.

There we go. I know what it means, the formal definition. I just don't know what the origins of it would physically look like if we were to attend a sideshow. I do think it's funny that the author of Pride of a Lion thinks that lions eat hyenas, that they're fed hyenas by circus work.

Well, the hyena is the arch enemy of the lion in the wild. They're arch enemies.

Roy just told me they don't eat hyenas. They will kill them because they look at them as rivals.

That's right. The Pride of a Lion He's the author of two books about a lion.

I just think of Lion King.

The packs of hyenas will attack a lion. A lion one-on-one against a hyena, a lion will win every time. But if there's eight or 10 hyenas attacking a lion, then you have a good battle.

Again, lions don't eat hyenas, though, and you, the expert on lions here-I believe lions will eat hyenas.

The internet is saying that they kill them because they're rivals, but they rarely eat them. They eat the zebras in the lower-end animals. Rarely eat them.

Rarely doesn't mean never. The lion eats the innards. It's like quinoa. The lion will eat your internal intestines before you're even dead. When the lion kills a hyena, The hyena, by biting its neck, it then goes right to the gut and starts eating the innards while the hyena is still writhing in pain alive.

Like a zebra's fast food. It's like the good stuff. It's like, Oh, I love this. Oh, yeah, for sure. Like, Hyena, I'll eat that if that's all that's left.

Exactly. I think that's exactly right. But don't say lions never eat hyenas because it's not true. Get McGill on the phone. He'll tell you.

Don't say it.

Put it on the poll, please. Are hyenas as a meal like quinoa? To lions. To the lions. Yes, thank you. I was getting there. I'm just stupified by where it is that we've ended up here. Fast food. Yeah.

A sideshow historically features human oddity exhibits or so-called freak shows. Beard a lady. Preserved specimens, real or fabricated, live animal acts, burlesque or strip shows. Baby. Actually or ostensibly dangerous stunts, like Chris Cody swallowing a sword.

Beard Bearded lady, big-time freak.

You can't break. Come on, sucker.

Oh, no. Put it on the poll, please. Is the bearded lady a big-time freak?

Maybe not.

Yeah, we could probably leave that one-off.

Minor explaining the show. Except the feedback.

Except it. Don't ask where that hole question is later.

Zaz, how dare he?

How dare he? I think he got scared. When you're scared of a joke, you got to just- He was amused by himself, and then he broke, and he's just amused that he gets to be Zaz all the time. I think that was a fear break.

It was just terrible.

Amateur.

Bad hour for Zaz. He got got by Tony early and also breaks. Mike, you got to get the notepad out.

Big time meeting after the show in which we bury Zaz for everything that just happened there. He was so amused by himself that he giggle snorted. It's not at somebody else's joke. That's bad enough. That's bad enough to break character on somebody else's joke. It's that he amused himself so much that he couldn't stay in character.

He dropped in the bearded lady, Which was a great line. Tony has the follow-up like, Oh, you really bear it? Then that's where he got caught up like, Do I want to go down this path?

Again, no, Zack.

It's better as just a throwaway line joke than like, Let's stay here. I'll double down on it. Let's really talk about it.

I was this close to saying it 10 minutes ago, by the way. I just didn't want to be the one to say it.

Zack Lowe is unquestionably exceptional at what he does. His information is good. But everything we just did there indicates to you how silly some of this stuff is between 80, 20, 51, 49, and no one actually knows whether Yannis is going to be traded until Shams reports it. And the only one who's going to report it. It's not going to break in Milwaukee. It's not going to break someone else. Now, that's the reason that I don't know how it is that Woj and Shams do their jobs. Why is Zaz in the control room? How, when I was trying to penalize him by putting him in the penalty box- He's frozen. How is it that he ended up in the control room looking a bit like Ichabod Crane right now in terms of his facial features? I understand I'm making an incredibly old reference. It's a reference, dude.

Bizarre reference. I got it, Dan. Headless horseman. Keep him moving. Ichabod Crane.

He looks Please find for me. Iqabod Crane was skinnier, but find for me just a photo. Stay with this stuff. It's killing. It's a good reference.

First appeared in 1820, Iqabod Crane.

200 years.

It's the pointy nose. It's the pointy.

Careful.

Aging in this industry is… It's tough. It's tough. Quick, say something about Kaisinat. Just say Drusky. Just say it into the microphone. Just say Drusky.

1820 is amazing. That's playing solitaire?

1820 is amazing. I'm always making fun of Cody for how old his references are.

1820.

He's a shoehorn Doja Cat into a conversation. Just. I'm not going to show them you so bad.

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