All America, all the time. Sit down, buckle up, and get ready for the Dan Bongino Show. You know, you guys and ladies out there, you say the nicest things in the chat. Sorry if I'm not looking at that. I'm looking at the chat on the, uh, on the iPad right here. CJ Juggernon: I always love me some Dan. Been listening to him since 2016, since my, uh, father, my dad told me about him. Thank you, CJ Juggernaut, and thank you to your dad as well. I really appreciate that. Uh, you guys and ladies, uh, you know, really, I can't say it enough, you all mean the world to me. You've given me so many wonderful opportunities. The show is only a success because of you. I mean, me and my team can only watch— was there 5 people here? 5 times, that's it. So the viewership is all thanks to you, all. That's just a statement of fact, that's not my opinion. This is thanks to you. You did it, and I want you to know I appreciate it. I did— this is not asymmetric, this is totally symmetric. I recognize that you guys made the show what it is, and I hope to never let you down.
I really appreciate all that. I don't know, I was a little bit off track, but I read the chat in the morning, especially in the 5 minutes when I'm sitting here right before the show, and you all just say the nicest things. So a big thank you to all of you. I've got a lot to talk about today. I feel like it's kind of a Dan Bongino Show exclusive, right guys? We had a conversation yesterday with, um, Secret Service Director Sean Curran about some of the things going on. It was really an amazing conversation. Um, he gets it. He's a big vision guy, understands where they're dealing with some, some issues. He's not in any way naive to that. Uh, he's been a guy who's been with the Secret Service for a long time. You know, full disclosure, I've known him, and gosh, since 2002. It's been a long time. I, I'm trying to pin down the date, but it's been a long time. And he told me about some of the things that are going on. You know, I was like, when we talk about this on the show, obviously I'm not going to just disclose anything.
And he said, yeah, yeah, you can go right ahead. So I've got that big news on 2020, 2020 election. Yes, folks, our election integrity— if we don't have election integrity, we don't have a republic. You cannot have a republic where people don't have faith that the elector the election produced a viable candidate who won the election. That's not what a republic's about. I've got an update on that and the Democrat freakout going on. Also, if you saw the segment with Jill— yes, Jill Biden— yesterday, folks, this is one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen. And she said it out loud about her husband, how she thought he may have had a stroke on the stage. What? She's not telling the truth. I'm going to tell you, give you some kind of inside baseball about some of the things I've been hearing and why she's obviously BSing you. Today's show brought to you by Rumble Wallet. Quick question: how much control do you actually have over your money right now? Something you really need to think about with AI and everything going on, the future surveillance state. How much control do you really have?
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Download the Rumble Wallet in your favorite, uh, app store. Rumble Wallet's a technology provider only, not a custodian. Audio service. See terms at wallet.rumble.com. Thank you, Rumble Wallet, fellas. Let's go. So I feel like it's an exclusive, which is great. Wasn't intended to be. However, uh, Sean, the director of the Secret Service, Sean Curran, and I had a fascinating conversation yesterday. And one of the things I had brought up on the air, because I'm, you know, obviously I'm not in daily communication with him anymore being outside the government, and why— he's got his own job to do. He didn't be talking to me every day. But one of the things he had told me and I brought up on the air is, listen, Donald Trump is the most threatened politician on Earth, the most threatened politician in my 51 years on the planet I've ever seen. And I've worked for quite a few of them. I worked in the Bill Clinton era White House. I worked in the Obama White House, the Bush White House as an agent. I've never seen anything like the threat level against President Trump ever, not even close. He gets that and recognizes that.
He understands that there were a lot of things that had gone wrong over the last few years, and he's trying to make big, massive changes. Unfortunately, the government moves at a glacial pace sometimes, so they're requesting more assets. And I know, you know, more money— everybody's always asking for more money— but the Secret Service is one of those spaces where you actually need people. Technology is never going to overcome a protection issue. It's— it can be helpful, it can be additive, But ultimately, you need people. You need people around the president. They're not bodyguards in this sense, but they are advance agents, and they're going to have to do it. So one of the things he told me that they had already moved on, which I was happy to hear, is remember I told you about the— how you have these Special Forces guys out there, uh, you have these Special Forces men out there who, you know, that they may have been Green Berets for 10 or 15 years, they may have been, you know, Army Rangers, they may have been SEALs, they may have been Delta. You know, pararescue. You have all of these operators out there with an amazing level of skill.
You guys, anyone in the chat knows someone in the Special Forces, folks, they're just a different breed of men. They just are. It takes so much grit and drive and physical stamina and mental stamina to make it to one of these tier 1 units. It's almost like an unimaginable level of like toughness to get there. I can't even imagine what that's like. You know, I went through a couple police academies and Secret Service Academy. Let's be honest, it's nothing like, you know, BUD/S for the Navy SEALs. It's just not. My point was, when I brought this up to Sean, is you've got these guys out there who may be 35, 37, who are in better shape than 99.99 repeating decimal better shape than most 18-year-olds out there. They're in better shape at 37 than most 18-year-old Division I athletes out there. Now, they may be done with their military service, they may be leaving the military for other reasons. Maybe they've, they've just— they're going back to their families and they're looking for more stability or what, I don't know. People come and go from government jobs, oh, you know, for all kinds of reasons.
I know, I was— I've been in and out of government my most of my adult life. They are still serviceable on a counter-assault team. You can use them in the Secret Service for a SWAT team. They're called CAT, the Counter-Assault Team in the Secret Service. These guys probably could work 10 more years. I'd take one of these guys in their 50s in a second, in a second, over an 18-year-old out of college. I'm sorry, I would. I've seen these guys operate. They've got it up here. They've got it in the biceps and the pectorals too. And you 50-year-olds now with all the supplements and stuff, yeah, you know, Father Time still hits you. These guys can still rock and roll. And let me tell you something, we're not dropping— you're going to try to ease up on the F-bombs yesterday after yesterday. You don't want to F with them. Turns out Sean's working on that. They've got this pipeline, push these guys right into the SWAT teams and the Secret Service known as CAT. I was very refreshed to hear it. He also brought up how important his ballroom is going to be. You know, it didn't disclose anything to me classified.
Obviously I'm on the outside now. However, he said, "You were at the White House. You know from your time what some of the security issues were. We're not gonna talk about that here." He's like, "The ballroom solves most of this. They need the ballroom. They need the ballroom." Another huge story on that. So just a couple of things I wanted to bring up. I spoke with him yesterday about, he's on it. The technology they're working on, drones, all of the other stuff that they're working on. I was very happy to hear it. They are not taking any of this lying down. He's not a guy that goes, "Oh, we don't have any issues, we didn't." He's not doing that at all. So I was very happy to hear that yesterday. Okay, so I got a big guest coming up for you today too. I mean, literally a big guest, right guys? I mean figuratively and literally. Dr. Mike Isretel, it's my Health Hacks segment. So second hour, we always throw on some extra content. We talk about all kinds of things. How often you should lift, what you should be doing, what exercises should you be doing, how much recovery do you need, What about peptides?
What about these GOPs? Do they work? Do they not work? Some interesting answers on that, so stay tuned for that later. Yes, that will be our official mahaha moment of the day. Folks, yesterday something happened. Jill Biden, of course, the former first lady and spouse to Joe Biden, came out with— this interview popped, and vomiting out of her mouth, one of the most troubling statements I've heard from a first lady, certainly in my short lifetime on this rock we call Earth. During the debate with Donald Trump, you thought your husband, the president at the time, Joe Biden, had a stroke. And they're not my words. I am not a medical doctor. Gee, am I a medical doctor? No, I am not. No, I'm— I wish I was. I am not. I'm not. I took the MCATs. I'm not a medical doctor. But you thought your husband had a stroke. And then you went out the next day and celebrated his candidacy again. You understand, like, this guy Joe Biden, when he was the president, has his finger on the nuclear trigger and could start mutually assured destruction of planet Earth with basically one order as the commander-in-chief.
You get that, right? She actually said this out loud. I'm gonna play the clip of Jill Biden here, and I want you to keep in mind that either she thinks this is true that he had a stroke, or she's lying to try to cover for him. I got to tell you something, I actually think the latter. I think she's lying. Hold on, I'll tell you why in a second. Play the clip first. Were you horrified as you saw it unfold? I wasn't horrified, I was frightened, because I had never ever seen Joe like that. The, uh, with the COVID excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with— look. Thank you, President Biden. Before or since? Never since. Yes. Or since? Never seen him like that? Never. No. What happened? I don't know what happened. I mean, when I— as I watched it, I thought, oh my God, he's having a stroke. And it scared me to death. Joe, you did such a great job. You answered every question. You knew all the facts. And let me ask the crowd, what did Trump do? Okay, so post-debate, she says she thinks he had a stroke and she's out there celebrating his candidacy and how Joe Biden won the debate and Donald Trump lied.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is tier 1 level bullshit. I don't believe her. I don't believe she thinks Joe Biden had a stroke. Why? Why would you say that? Maybe he did. One, I don't wish any medical ill will on anyone. I feel the need to put that in there because I never want to be associated with the lunatic violent left. That's not us. That's not our movement. I wish good health on everybody, even if you are a crazy, crappy president like he was. Okay. She says she never saw him like that. Dazed and Confused, like the movie, right? That is, folks, I'm telling you, that's bullshit. There are people who reached out to me, and they were not Secret Service guys, by the way. There were people who reached out to me and said, listen, I'm hearing rumors like this guy's in real trouble mentally. That is not like a news flash. No one in the listening audience right now is like, breaking news in the Dan Bongino Show, Joe Biden was having cognitive problems. I'm just telling you, people who know The system said it's worse than you think it is with this guy.
So when she says in that clip, I never saw him like that, I want you to understand what she's doing. She's trying to make this out like it wasn't a chronic problem over the 4 years of the Biden presidency, that he didn't have a grasp of his mental faculties. It was just this acute point in time where he had this ischemic event in his brain, she thinks happened. I mean, she is a doctor, right? Justin, she's a doctor, right? Dr. Jill. But some of you get the joke. Some of you be like, Dad, she wasn't a medical— I get it, I get it. But she— Dr. Jill Biden, she bullshit. She 100% knew. Everybody knew. Don't tell us you never saw him like this, folks. This is really important. Biden's evolving reasons for his bad debate: a cold, too much prep, not feeling great. And like, this was AP. Can we put comma had a stroke. Had— I mean, big up— that's a big upgrade, you're right, from the, from the former headlines, folks. Having worked inside the White House with President Bush, President Obama, and then having gone back multiple times for White House meetings in my last job at the FBI, when you're in a meeting with the president— Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, it doesn't matter— You need to understand, like, when you're in a meeting with the president, you know what STFU means?
Look it up. You shut the— you don't talk unless someone— like, the president runs the meeting is what I'm getting at. Like, everybody in the room is waiting for the president to dictate where the meeting's going. You don't just like go in there and start popping off in spreadsheets and be like, hey Hey, Donnie, Joe, here's how shit's gonna go today. Like, that's not the way this happens. So what I heard from people is these meetings would start and like Biden would just be like dazed and confused again, like the movie. Like, what are we talking about again today? So people are in the room in the meeting waiting for direction from the commander-in-chief who barely knows the names of the people in the room. You're telling me Jill Biden, her staff, and the White House staff didn't see this? Nonsense. Here's a clip from CNN. A guy wrote a book with Jake Tapper saying, we interviewed a bunch of, it's with Tapper and them. They have no reason to cover for Biden now. Now, maybe back then, but not now. They're like, this is bullshit. Like we interviewed a bunch of Biden staffers who said everybody knew this guy had an issue.
It was so like, I'd never seen this before. Don't listen to me. Listen, these are liberals talking to him. Check this out. She says that she's never seen him act that way before or since, but in the interviews that over 200 of which that Jake and I did, other people did see him act like that in the months before and in the months after that. And those moments became increasingly hard to predict. And the White House was increasingly trying to manage them to keep those moments out of public view. And eventually, you know, during the debate, they could no longer hide those moments from the public. I, I mean, I only wish— that's Alex Thompson, you know— Jake Tapper and others would have said something during the presidency so we would have had a commander-in-chief in charge who actually had his mental faculties. Folks, this is, this is, this is not, this is not funny. Like, none of this is amusing at all. This is not funny. We had a commander-in-chief dealing with Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong-un, The Iranians who Donald Trump now killed, thankfully. Maduro, who Donald Trump now has in jail. There was a, you know, an evacuation of Afghanistan, basically done poorly.
There was an invasion in Ukraine. And you had a commander-in-chief who didn't even know where he was. This is like kind of a big freaking deal, which is ironically what Joe Biden told Barack Obama when he passed that shitty piece of legislation called Obamacare. Remember, it's a big freaking deal, folks. You can never rely on these liberal media people when you need them. You just can't. You know what's incredible to me? Love them or hate them, you go to conservative media and you'll see a whole bunch of people who pretended to be allies of President Trump, pretended to be conservatives, who even are conservatives, who will take a shot at a Republican president if they don't do something that aligns with their agenda. You never see that with the liberal media at all. They are just automaton NPCs that whenever, like, the bat signal goes out— do not mention Joe Biden has a mental disorder, has cognitive deficits— nobody says anything. You will never get anyone to break the mold. That's why nobody trusts these people. That's what happened in the 2020 election. God forbid you mention— I remember Politico wrote this piece. Is it out there still, guys?
Politico: Dan Bongino, election denier. Hey, you know what? Middle double barrel to you guys. That was the single. I'm a little after yesterday. Too many f-bombs yesterday. I'm with you. I do not deny an election happened in 2020. Your words and your characterization are bullshit. I questioned what happened in 2020 because when you mass mail-in ballot for the first time due to COVID and all this other stuff without proper controls, the fraud is built into the system. The New York Times themselves in that Adam Liptak 2012 piece already acknowledged that mass mail-in balloting and that mail-in balloting doubles the fraud rates. Don't listen to me, listen to them. And when I brought this up after 2020, I was called an election denier. People were calling for boycotts of the show. I didn't go off any reservation. I was bringing up simple facts that there's probably going to be an issue in this election and we should look at it, or people aren't going to trust the results. Now look at this, CNN having an absolute meltdown that The FBI is now looking into some potential malfeasance and potential criminality down in Fulton County, Georgia. CNN having a— without evidence, without evidence.
You'll see in this Wolf Blitzer clip in a second, without evidence. You realize they got search warrants, correct? This Wolf Blitzer and CNN, do they understand how the evidence search warrant process works? Justin, have you ever heard of a criminal case where where an affiant walks in in front of a judge and says, uh, I want a search warrant for Justin's house. What's your evidence? None. I don't— have you ever heard of that? We haven't. Justin hasn't either. Not even in the movies. You have to apply for a search warrant in front of a judge or magistrate who looks at the freaking evidence, you dipwads at CNN, and has to okay it himself. The FBI doesn't sign off on its own search warrants. Does he not know this? If there wasn't evidence, there wouldn't be a search warrant. Is there evidence of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt? We don't know that yet. But there was evidence, Wolf. You just don't like it. Just like there was evidence of Joe Biden's cognitive deficit and none of you guys covered it. Now you know why nobody trusts the media. Watch the two contrasts here. Joe Biden, no evidence of mental disorders.
Really? Search warrant, Fulton County, Georgia. Oh, definitely no evidence of that. There's a warrant. Check this out. Fulton County, Georgia. Some poll workers and ballot counters from the 2020 presidential election could soon hear a knock on their doors. Federal prosecutors say that— say, uh, When they have the names and the addresses of those election workers, investigators will try to talk to them. President Trump has long claimed without evidence that there was widespread voter fraud in Fulton County and that contributed to his reelection loss to Joe Biden. Let's go live right now to CNN Crime and Justice correspondent Caitlin Polanski is working the story for us. Caitlin, is the Justice Department going to get all these lists of election workers and their addresses? Well, Wolf, that's going to be the big question in court. We're still waiting to see what a judge will do. What has happened here is that the Justice Department, they've made clear they want to reopen and ask questions again about what happened in the 2020 election, especially in Fulton County, Georgia. That's the county that includes Atlanta, that Joe Biden won by more than two-thirds of the more than 500,000 votes there.
So you see why I put these stories back to back? Liberal media people, I know you listen to my show. I tell you this not as a friend. Let's just be honest, we're never going to be friends. But I do tell you this from someone who desperately needs you to clean up your act, because we can't have a republic with a media nobody trusts. We just can't. Our founding fathers understood this. They actually carved out a piece of our founding documents to protect you to protect you. Carpenters didn't get that protection. Iron workers didn't get that protection. Welders didn't get that special protection. They have protections as citizens. You are specifically mentioned in our founding documents, freedom of the press, and you keep effing us over every single time. Joe Biden was clearly suffering from a cognitive disorder, clearly. You waited till after the election, wrote a bunch of books about it when you could have saved us from the 4-year horror The pullout in Afghanistan, the bombing at Abbey Gate. I mean, Russia, who knows if Vladimir Putin would've invaded Ukraine if Donald Trump was in charge? I don't think he would've. Yet when actual court documents are filed where an FBI agent has to put up his right hand and swear in front of a judge, here's what we think happened in Fulton County, Georgia.
We may have probable cause here. Take a look at this of some potential criminal activity. The judge says okay to the search warrant. The Justice Department is very honest. Afterward, we're going to process this, see what we have, and without evidence. You see how full of shit these people are? Thankfully, Donald Trump— and by the way, for the doomers, again, I, I know you continue to drop L's and it's really hurting, but here we go again. I thought you said nothing was happening on election fraud. You got this criminal investigation going on in Georgia. You have this story from AP. Trump administration, nothing's happening. Every single thing you say isn't happening is happening all the time. This is why nobody trusts you when you keep dropping L's. You're no better than the liberal media. AP, May 28th, federal judge refuses to block Trump's order to create a federal voter list and limit mail-in voting. Excellent, excellent. Good job. Again, nothing is happening crowd all the time. And then you bring up stuff like this, and then they— I'm telling you, they just move on to the next one. People hate that stuff. They can't stand it.
Just be honest with people. This process takes time. Donald Trump can't fix the whole country in 6 months, folks. I'm going to take a quick break, and I want to get to this because this is super important. Be wary of politicians with silk tongues. Okay, we are moving down a dangerous path. I saw Will Cain on Fox yesterday, did an excellent educational segment on socialism. I know these things are not the most popular segments in the world on TV and elsewhere. I wanted to do like a Bongino U thing one time on socialism, and I remember a guy saying, ah, people don't like university stuff, they don't want to feel like they're going to school or anything. So I, you know, I passed on. I incorporated into the show just little bits and pieces here. He did an excellent small piece yesterday on socialism. Be very careful. Mamdani proposed something in New York the other day that is so freaking dangerous if it passes, I'm afraid it's gonna cascade around the country and we may find ourself in a really dark place really fast. And we're gonna ask, we're gonna ask AI a very simple question to see if he's right.
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A dumb conversation is what you see emanating and vomiting out of the mouths of leftists these these days, and Mamdami is one of them. They appeal to emotion, not reason. They are totally devoid of facts. They ignore history, and they speak to a crowd of people they hope are dumbed down enough to believe them. This popped yesterday in the New York Post. This is another one of Mamdami's bad ideas. Now, this of course is supported by people like AOC, Bernie Sanders, and others as well who love this kind of stuff. The mayor of New York is pledging an aggressive crackdown on bad landlords. Saying New York City will work to transfer ownership to tenants. You know, transferring ownership without people's authorization, Justin, has a name. Do you know what it's called? Hey, Justin says it's called theft. That's very good, Justin. I'm gonna transfer ownership of that watch you have on your wrist right now over to me. I don't wanna transfer it. That's okay. I think you're a bad watch owner. Notice how Momdami wants to declare what a bad landlord is, which I found tragically comical because the worst landlord in the world is the government everywhere they actually take over property.
So I stuck in Google Gemini yesterday because I want to be accused of bias or anything, which is artificial intelligence, because it'll segue nicely. And I said, hey, is the government really a good landlord? Like, what does the government do? They said, well, here are the pros. And they mentioned a couple things like, if public housing is not driven by a profit motive, rent is generally more affordable and reliable. I thought, okay, it's Google Gemini, there's the leftist spiel. But then they mentioned the cons. Which I found interesting. Public housing authorities are frequently plagued by underfunding, delayed maintenance, and deteriorating unit quality. Many of these authorities have faced severe mismanagement, resulting in living conditions and crime rates that spark major tenant dissatisfaction. That sounds to me like the government. Why does the government suck at every single thing it does when they infiltrate the private market, like the real estate market and housing? Because the government doesn't care about you, because they're not spending their money. They're spending taxpayer money, and they're not even spending it on themselves because they're not living in the Section 8 government housing you're living in. Folks, this is a huge scam.
Be very, very careful with these people who speak with silk tongue and do not ignore them. The AOCs or mom dummies. I really— I love feedback on the show, but I gotta tell you, the one piece of feedback that drives me really bananas is when people say You know, stop elevating these people. I'm not elevating these people, ladies and gentlemen. These people elevate themselves. This is exactly how heretics and oligarchs and tyrants have gotten into power, 'cause people tried to ignore them away. Everything from Neville Chamberlain on, you can't ignore these people away. Not to mention, Mme. is a total fraud. He just stole, to the firefighters and the folks in New York who work for the city, who have a city pension, You know he just stole from you? You voted for this guy, many of you. Not all of you, but many of you voted for this guy. Look at this Wall Street Journal article. This article is stunning. Mamdani's like celebrating, "I balanced the budget, I balanced the budget." What he doesn't mention is he basically, he stole from the pension fund. The pension fund in New York was doing well because of capitalism and investments it made.
And Mamdani stole billions from it to try to balance the budget, and people are celebrating this. It's called capitalism delivers from Zoran Mamdami. He changed the payment schedule, screwing over all the pension fund recipients. He stole from you because he was saved by capitalism. You've fallen for this? Note, investments held by New York City's 5 pension systems exceeded expectations. Because of free markets and capitalism. And then he stole it, and they're all celebrating. Yeah, good job, Mom Donny. Folks, be wary of politicians with silk tongues. And who was the greatest silk-tongue politician, probably the most dangerous of our time? Yes, Barack Obama. They always make theft and bullshit— they call it— there's always a euphemism. Theft of your property and your real estate, if you're a landlord, is called transfer— the transfer of ownership. It's not the transfer of ownership, it's freaking theft, you goofballs. I balanced the budget. No, you stole money from New York City pension recipients, guys. Look it up, look it up yourself. Bad landlords. Who defines what a bad landlord? Mondani is the worst landlord in the world. Here's the great Thomas Sowell talking about how when petrochemical companies and energy companies, when they're allowed to keep their own investments and reinvestment, the government acts like it's giving you something.
And he talks about this silk tongue effect. This is just brilliant. It's about a minute. Check this out. People keep their own money, that's called subsidizing them. I love it. You know, that's the brilliance of intellectuals. That they can use words in such a malleable way that they can— I mean, Obama has an absolute talent for saying things that make no sense but not only sound plausible but inspiring. You know, we're subsidizing the oil companies when they deduct the cost of doing business in order to arrive at the figure of how much net income they have. Everybody does that. I want to show you example of another liberal communist politician, by the way, who does not have a silk tongue. Momdami is at least a decent performance artist for communism, tyranny, death, destruction, and starvation, which communism brings on every time. One of the worst advocates for it I've ever seen, who was just unbelievably hapless— and don't blame it on her age or anything, she's around Momdami's age— is the liberal mayor of Seattle, who just really sucks at this. She's like, millionaires, you want to leave the city? Like, goodbye. Like, she thinks she's like Alicia Silverstone in Clueless or something.
She thinks this sounds professional as the mayor of Seattle. Like, goodbye. Here she is commenting on massive fraud around the country in these, uh, Somali daycare centers. And not just Somali daycare centers, but people claiming that they're all the autism fraud going on out there. What does she do? She's asked about the fraud, and instead of saying, hey, you know, we should look into this because it steals money from the residents of Seattle that really could use some government help. She says, no, no, this isn't about fraud at all. It's just about racism. How many times are you gonna try this freaking red herring canard? People are not listening to you anymore. It's the go-to from Al Sharpton on everything. Racism, racism, racism. Nobody's falling for this shit anymore. Check this out. I don't think it needs to be explained why it's problematic to have random people showing up to daycares. And yeah, I mean, I think the fear in the Somali community is real. The fear in immigrant communities are real. So we're taking that very seriously. Along those lines, have you asked anyone to follow up on the fraud claims either to the Department of Immigrant and Refugee Affairs or SPD?
No. So there's— As far as you're concerned right now, there's no reason to suggest there's any sort of fraud. I don't— this whole issue is not really about fraud, right? It's about dividing and conquering. It's about making an immigrant community a target, right? There's no reason to assume based on the identity of a daycare operator that their small business is doing anything wrong. Folks, this lady is totally full of shit, okay? There's an article in the Wall Street Journal yesterday, which again is no big huge ally to President Trump or Vice President Pence for that matter. Matter, where they clearly lay out in the opinion section how Vice President Vance and the fraud team at DOJ that's been hunting these people down has been doing it everywhere from Kansas to Florida, red states too. She's just full of shit. Oh, this is a race issue, they're trying to divide and conquer. You're full of shit. You're trying to divide and conquer by stealing from people and using euphemisms and bullshit identity politics charges against us so we don't expose your faulty government socialism payout welfare system. That's what a dumb conversation looks like. We're going to transfer ownership from landlords.
Going after fraud is racist. That's what a dumb conversation looks like. You know what a smart conversation looks like? One where we tell you, hey, ladies and gentlemen, here are the real risks to this. Here are the potential rewards. You're very smart. I encourage you to balance what I'm about to tell you and you come to your own informed decisions. I'm asking you just not to fall for astroturf hype campaigns and a story, not the story. You're seeing this now with artificial intelligence. You're seeing it now, folks. This technology doesn't have the potential to change the world. It is changing the world right now. I just want to be brutally honest with you. I said this is going to be a hard conversation. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Even if the United States were to halt and stop and confiscate every US-based AI firm and lab out there right now, it will do nothing to stop the rest of the world from moving on this technology ahead of us. There's, there's nothing you can— you cannot stop it. That is not enough. There's going to be no global accord to stop it.
There are already very powerful foreign enemies in the United States using AI to develop chemical agents, chemical weapons, to enhance their weapon stockpiles now, to enhance targeting, to find ways to blow up our ports, to infiltrate our water systems. I'm very sorry to tell a lot of you that. This is the only reasonable conversation to have. I'm giving you the downsides up front. This can be used to destroy the world just like nuclear weapons could have. But when nuclear technology came about, our choice was, do we build a weapon or do we just let other people build a weapon and threaten us with it and take over the United States? We didn't have a choice. There was no putting the genie back. AI, I'd argue, is even more powerful than that. It's making gains by the day that we just never imagined before. But I want to give you some of the upside. You know, I don't like to talk about it a lot because it seems kind of self-serving, but there's a point here. When I was going through the cancer thing— cancer thing, like, yeah, going through like a trip to Publix or something.
When I was going through the cancer thing, I was at MD Anderson and they were great out in Texas. And when I was doing the radiation treatments, I would sit in this waiting room before they called you in. I'd walk over every day and get the radiation. Radiation, and then they come back. And folks, I may have said this on the show before, but you would see, you know, an ambulance service, kids on a gurney and a stretcher being wheeled in for radiation who were like 9 and 10 years old with childhood leukemia, with like the cannulas and feeding tubes. It was the most— folks, I'm telling you, it was the most horrifying experience of my life. I had cancer when I— I don't know, I was like 46. Who the hell knows? And I swear to you, like, I didn't want to die. Obviously don't get dead. But I'm going to tell you something. Like, when I saw those kids, I was like, if I don't make it through this, like, thank God I lived 46 years. I mean it. That's because these kids have experienced that. 9 years old, you've never had a boyfriend or a girlfriend.
You've never experienced, like, deep, like, kind of romantic love with another party. You love your parents, but you're never going to have kids. You're never going to see your child's wedding. You're never going to have your own wedding. You're never going to experience the joy of getting an A on an organic chemistry test when you didn't expect it. You're never going to see, like, the joy of when, like, the Yankees won the World Series after, like, a 20-year drought, and Charlie Hayes was at the third baseman, caught that pop-up Those memories, they're never going to have them. I bring that up because with this artificial intelligence that's unbelievably powerful and growing geometrically by the minute, we have the power at the tip of our fingers to save so many lives too. So it's a hard conversation. Notice I'm not giving you an answer. AI good, AI bad. That's a mom dummy Katie Wilson answer. There's no good or bad, there's only trade-offs. The world is a difficult place full of trade-offs. There's almost nothing that's Pareto maximized that benefits people without hurting one single person. That's not going to happen. There's going to be some job dislocations and painful conversations to have, but we can't stick it back in there.
There's no way to put that back. I bring that up because one of the, um, heads of the AI movement now. You've seen Sam Altman. Some people love him, some people hate him. I don't take a position. I just want to hear what they have to say. Sam Altman was doing an interview, uh, knows a lot about AI, obviously one of the innovators in the space. And he was talking about this bit, kind of hits and misses with AI, and it's kind of a reasonable conversation. But he brings up a potential solution that I'm telling you is a really genuinely bad idea. This idea that AI is going to make us so rich, it's not a solution, it's going to cause another problem, that we should give a universal basic income to people basically to not work. That is the worst idea I have ever heard in my life. I'll explain to you why, but I want you to listen to this first. This is a very interesting clip. Check this out. It is possible that we put, you know, GPT-7 or whatever in everybody's ChatGPT. Everybody gets it for free and everybody has access to just this like crazy thing such that everybody can be more productive, make way more money.
It doesn't actually matter that you don't like own the cluster itself, but everybody gets to use it. And it turns out even getting to use it is enough that people are like getting richer faster and more distributed than ever before. That could happen. I think that really is possible. There's another version of this where the most important things that are happening are these systems are discovering you know, new cures for diseases, new kinds of energy, new ways to make spaceships, whatever. And most of that value is accruing to the, like, cluster owners— us, just so that I'm not dodging the question here. And then I think society will very quickly say, okay, we got to have some new, some new economic model where we share that and distribute that to people. Uh, I used to be really excited about things like UBI. I still am kind of excited, like universal basic income, where you just Give everybody money.
Yeah, you hear that term a lot. Yeah, universal basic income. Yeah, I heard you and Rogan talk about that too a while back.
I still am kind of excited about that, but I think people really need agency. Like, they really need to feel like they have a voice in governing the future and deciding where things go. And I think if you just like say, okay, AI is going to do everything and then everybody gets like a, you know, dividend from that, it's not going to feel good. That was the Theo Vaughn Show with Sam Altman. Ladies and gentlemen, what he said at the end is accurate. I, I don't care if he supports this idea or not. I do not. This is a terrible idea. You were created by God not to sit here and collect a check from someone else and watch episodes of the Teletubbies. You were not. I'm sorry. I have a very close person to me. I'm not going to say who is— not do you think— but you know, I, I had to make the case the other day that I'm expecting big, huge, enormous things out of you because you're so incredibly talented. Like, good enough is not good enough for you. And I'm not gonna lie to you, like, oh, that's good, that's good, whatever, you got a B.
No, a B's not good enough. You're an A. God made everyone in his likeness to go and transform the earth and collect a bunch of disparate products and materials and make huge, big, important things like quantum computers and, you know, equipment that's going to save lives, surgical equipment. We're not paid to sit down on our ass all day. What's the purpose of life then? Sit back and eat Tostitos with mild salsa, watching reruns of Mr. Rogers? No, that's not a thing. He's correct though, AI is going to be such a value-added component even for people who are in the blue-collar space. I brought up— I'll just throw out a random example. I brought up the other day how air conditioners and the Biden regulation screwed up air conditioners. Washing machines too. You're better off with a freaking washing machine from the 1980s. You can be an HVAC guy. You're going to show up with your phone and there's going to be some problem you haven't seen before on whatever, a Carrier system or whatever it may be. You're going to be able to take a picture with your phone, bang, bang, bang. You're going to submit it to some AI agent that's like an HVAC AI agent and deals with, and it's gonna say, "Oh, look, that's the flux capacitor." Some of you get the joke.
"That's a, would you like me to order one? We can have it at you with a drone in 15, 20 minutes from a local factory." That is not the future. That's like right now that stuff is happening. And that HVAC guy is gonna save time, is gonna save money. Everybody's gonna be happy. He can then get to a next job and he doesn't have to sit there and run to the store back and forth. Like, that's gonna happen. We are right around the corner from this stuff. But paying people to sit on their ass all day because a couple of people are going to get really rich off this is a really bad idea. All right, that was heavy. It was heavy. I need a— I got a segue into like a small bit of comic relief because the Democrats have seriously the worst slate of candidates I have ever seen coming up in this cycle. I'm not kidding. This Republicans, we've had some turkeys too. You, some of you remember there have been some terrible Republican candidates, Senate, House, governor. You've seen them. I get it. I'm not telling you both parties don't produce a turkey once in a while.
This cycle of Democrats is one of the worst I've ever seen. And not just the cycle of Democrats, but the governors between Pritzker, Newsom, Hochul. The slate of Dems out there that are party leaders— Liz Warren, AOC— are just horrendous. You probably saw this clip, the governor of New York, Kathy Hochul, trying to do like, uh, trying to, you know, hit Donald Trump, you know, like we own the libs, him trying to own the— her trying to own the MAGA movement. Here she is talking about the Knicks getting into the finals. She completely flubs it, but I want you to watch her Spots after she said, if you say something stupid, just own it. She completely screws this up, and any basketball fan could have tell— could have right away knew something was wrong with this. Check this out. I think of him saying he's a lifelong Knicks gang. That's how the Times reported it. I'd ask him to name the starting lineup from 1993 championship team and see how he does. The 1993 champion Nicks, New York fans. You know, I was a New York Knicks fan for a long time. Uh, remember John Starks?
Remember Rory Sparrow? Bernard King before he hurt his knees? Remember that? Trent Tucker. Remember Trent Tucker? Kenny— what was it? Kenny Walker? Skywalker. Remember, those are some names. Anyone in the chat remember these people? The 1993 championship New York Knicks. Justin, the 1993 championship— oh, you got me. Oh, Justin is actively live streaming his— who won the 1993 NBA championship? The Chicago Knicks? The New York Bulls? That— oh, the Chicago Bulls. She wants the starting lineup. Horace Grant. Tell me if I'm right in the chat. Horace Grant. Was it BJ Armstrong or Paxton? Jordan, Bill Cartwright, who was— Bill Cartwright was a Knick, remember, before Patrick Ewing. So Kathy Hochul doesn't apparently know when the Knicks last won a championship. When did the Knicks last win a championship? She's the governor of New York. You think, like, before you would, you know, open this up to try to, like, own Donald Trump, you would actually look it up? Justin, check on this same thing. When was the last time the Knicks won a championship? It clearly wasn't 1993. That wasn't the New York Bulls or the Chicago Knicks. When did the New York Knicks— it autocorrects for him into capital, okay— last win— short for the Knickerbockers, by the way— win an NBA championship?
Searching the web, ChatGPT: 1973. 1973, the last time they won the championship. Now, you may have saw this yesterday. Why am I bringing it up? Because one of the golden rules of politics is if you screw something up, either kind of ignore it and move on, or just own it and be like, "Ah, I got a little aggressive. I meant 1993. I meant to say '73. I screwed it up." Don't claim like you did it to, like, as some tactical way to put Donald Trump on the defensive. Here's Governor Hochul's press office. Did you see this? Oh, she was baiting Donald Trump. Into pretending that team won the finals. A classic 4D chess move. This has got to be one of the dumbest cell phones— not cell phone, self, S-E-L-F-O-W-N— one of the dumbest cell phones I've ever seen. Governor Hochul, just move on. Just let it go. What's that movie? Frozen? Let it go. Just let it go. You look like a tool. You are the governor of New York. Donald Trump is not. What an idiot. Motley's in the chat, of course. Thank you for the Motleys, we appreciate that. Okay, getting back to serious stuff though.
This slate of candidates for the midterms is one of the worst I have ever seen for any party— Communist, Libertarian, Republican, Democrat, the freaking Whigs, the Federalists. I have never seen a slate of candidates this bad, and I'm not giving up the midterms. You want to give up the the midterms, you do your thing. One of the best examples of the worst I've seen is this guy running for Senate in Texas, Talaferro. James Talaferro, folks, this guy is weird. I'm sorry. Like, if he's your neighbor, put like an alarm system on that. This, this dude's just weird, man. He is super freaking weird. Here he is on— was he on Rogan? Was this the Rogan Show? Here he is on Joe Rogan trying to justify his support for, you know, murdering babies, abortion, right? And claiming as his cause célèbre, this, the Virgin Mary. Folks, this is like outright heresy. This Tala Frico— no, I'm not kidding. This Justin, check this out. Say all this in terms of, in context of abortion, because before God comes over Mary and we have the incarnation, God asks for Mary's consent, which is remarkable. I mean, go back and read this in Luke.
I mean, the angel comes down and asks Mary if this is something she wants to do. And she says, "If it is God's will, let it be done. Let it be. Let it happen." So to me, that is an affirmation in one of our most central stories that creation has to be done with consent. Holy Moses, folks, this guy is running in Texas. He's not running with the Chicago Knicks in Illinois. He is not running for the governorship against J.D. Pritzker. Or if Kathy Hochul was J.R. Pritzker, J.R. Ritzker. He's not running against the New York Bulls. He's running in Texas. Speaking of bulls and cows, where they eat cows, and he's like a vegan or something. They eat cows. Cows are delicious. It's called steak. Have you heard of it? Or brisket, or ribeye, or New York strip, or even when I was growing up, the infamous London broil. Which was pretty awful. But growing up, when you had no money, anything tasted good. Well, you marinate it for a little while. He's running in Texas. Tale of Frico. It just engaged in an act of heresy. Virgin Mary is my support for abortion.
I'm sure that's going to go over really well in Texas.
Texas.
You talk to people from there. How many people from Texas in the chat? Check in now. I bet there's a lot. Texas, you don't mess with Texas. They even have it on shirts, doesn't it say that? Isn't that a thing, like, don't mess with Texas? Don't mess with Texas. It's the Jim Bowie, get Davy Crockett out there, the Alamo. Haven't you heard these stories about Texas? Don't mess with Texas. A lot of Texans in the chat. So of course Talefrico is just a bevy of material for oppo ads. All you've got to do is quote Talefrico. They just pumped out this banger of an ad. It's like 2 minutes long. I'm not gonna play the whole thing. However, I just want you to see the beginning of this. This is only quoting Talefrico. This is, this is one of the best ads of the cycle I've seen so far. This slate of candidates for the Democrats between Graham Plattner Abu al-Sayed. This is the worst I have ever seen. Check this out. Move over, Davy Crockett. There's a new Texas trailblazer in town, and his— it's— their name is James Talarico, the man who bragged, our office is the first in the history of Texas to add pronouns to our official business cards.
I am running around like a crazy person today, spreading his white skin wherever he goes. I am not a perfect Christian. Prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness, my own masculinity, and it's a painful process. Bearing the cross of white skin and unambiguous masculinity. I was a big nerd in high school, never played sports. I probably shouldn't out myself like this. Sex is a spectrum, and oftentimes it can be very ambiguous. God is both masculine masculine and feminine and everything in between. God is non-binary. Now, existential that we try to reduce our meat consumption. It's the right thing to do and the moral thing to do. The 11th Commandment: Thou shalt not smoke brisket. I am proud to say that our campaign has officially become a non-meat campaign. So step aside, Sam Houston. Tallarico's bravery towers over Texas. Texas. He's fighting for all 6 genders and tens of thousands of species. I guess we just have a different moral yardstick. You know what insults Jesus? Binary white people who eat barbecue and remember the Alamo. The weirdest candidate for Senate the Lone Star State has ever seen. You know, good call, guys.
I'm sorry, we were going to cut that off in a minute, but Justin's like, this is just too good, Dan. I've got to let this go. BS Sparks in the chat said, I was Jim Bowie in the school play in like 3rd grade. You're going to pump this down the throats of Texans? I'm defending all 6 genders against those crazy meat eaters in freaking Texas, the brisket capital of the universe, where barbecue is like a rite of passage. You know, when I was a kid, they gave me a bottle when I was 1 year old. I remember because I see pictures of my mom holding me with those plastic blue bottles, probably pumped a bunch of microplastics whatever the hell it is. In Texas, at like 3 months old, kids are eating brisket and they're eating like the fatty brisket. They're just born different in Texas. You folks, worst freaking slate of candidates I've ever seen. Who in Texas in the chat is voting for Talefrico? If we get one yes, Anita, I'm sorry, we may have to just like— I don't want to have to— we may have to just ban that person, right?
Just out of— just because they may be crazy. And I don't know what's gonna happen. We may have to get rid of him right away. I'm sorry, who in Texas is voting for Talaferro? Folks, that is a banger of an ad. Hey, what's going on? Haley just walked in. It's good to see you. Worst slate of candidates ever. Josh Krashauer puts out this tweet yesterday. I'm like, okay, we've got the guy with the Nazi tattoo. We've got Talaferro and his six genders who doesn't eat meat in Texas apparently. He's running a non-meat campaign. 'Good luck finding a place to eat in Texas, non-meat campaign.' This is freaking hilarious. This— I'm like, it can't possibly get any worse. Now we find out that a leading New Jersey Democrat congressional candidate, Adam Hammami, volunteered with an Al-Qaeda-tied group in Bosnia. We— Hammami, quote, worked with Benevolence International Foundation later shuttered as an al-Qaeda front. So we had that lady in what, Texas 35, was her name Maureen Galindo, who wanted to put Jews in internment camps. She got 40% of the vote, by the way. We've got a guy who, according to Josh Crasher, in this quote, was volunteered for a group that was an al-Qaeda front.
You've got Talefrico with his six genders and a non-meat campaign in Texas.
And who—
and heresy, right? I forgot the whole heresy. Just as like, don't forget the, the little heresy thing that happened too with Virgin— with the Virgin Mary. And then you've got this guy too, Abu El-Sayed, who was on— he's running in Michigan for Senate— was on Will Cain's show on Fox, which is really good, 4 PM Eastern time. And he apparently doesn't understand that there are criminal charges associated with many acts of illegal immigration. You're running for Senate, bro. You may wanna know that before you go on the air. He's confused that there's a civil and criminal component to illegal immigration and you're running for Senate. Don't listen to me, listen to him. ICE is simply the enforcement mechanism for democratically elected laws of the people. Now, for a party who has talked about the threat to democracy, is it your position that you do not want to see the will of the people the democratically elected laws enforced? First of all, Will, you and I both know that election law— excuse me, uh, immigration law is not criminal law. Immigration law is civil law. It's like getting a parking ticket. So the idea that we should have a paramilitary force that is weaponized on our streets to enforce civil law seems to me to be a bit over the top.
This guy doesn't know there are criminal violations in the code. USC Title VIII involving multiple fraud claims, illegal entry, repeated illegal entry. He doesn't know that. I mean, he could just go to like an AI system and check it out before he goes on the air. You're running for Senate. You're running for— what's that? So, oh, you're going to— you can do it too. Justin's like, it's— I can do it again. Where should we begin? What federal crime statutes apply to illegal immigration? Let's see. Just like the HVAC guy can use this, so can candidates for federal office. Are there any? According to Ebola— oh yes, it says— yeah. Oh my gosh. Yes. It's the first time I'm hearing this. Winky nod nod. Oh, I was right. Title 8 USC 1325. Title 8 1326. And it's not just one. Turns out there's a lot of them. 1324, 1325. Someone pass this please to Abu al-Sayed, who's out there campaigning with Hasan Piker, who apparently doesn't think like 9/11 was that big of a deal. It's kind of a big deal. A lot of people died. Worst slate of candidates on the Dem side I have ever seen in my life.
Worst. By far. I got Dr. Mike Isratel coming up with a whole bunch of maha moment health hacks. How do you work out? How much recovery do you need? What happens as you get older? What happens? Can you do squats? Can you do deadlifts? What about these GLP-1s? You interested in that? About 15, 20 minutes. Really good interview. I follow him on TikTok. He's got some great tips. Big guy. So when I say it's a big interview, I mean it literally and figuratively. I want to show you this. So before we go, this story broke yesterday. So again, for the nothing is happening crowd that says this all the time, just to show you that— Winky Winky Nod Nod's a guy in the chat. That is really cool. You called? I did. Winky, you're going to become a celebrity moving forward. I didn't even know you were— that's a great, great name to grab. You know, when I was in the position over the last year, folks, this happened a lot. There were a lot of investigations that happened of people who had been inside the government who had gotten hired under prior administrations. Cash has made major personnel changes.
Matter of fact, the left-wing media was beating him up again yesterday for making some more personnel changes, firing some more people at the FBI. I'm just telling you, like, never was I sitting in a room with the CIA folks, John Ratcliffe and others, where they were like, "Hey, if we've got a problem, like, let's just scrape it under the carpet." Like, that never happened. That never happened. They were like, "Hey, if it's embarrassing and someone else hired these people, we're gonna get rid of them and potentially arrest them." This story, I saw this yesterday, and this was kind of like a jaw drop moment. Did you hear about the story about the gold bars and the CIA employee? This is a weird one. Check this out. $40 million worth of gold bars in his home. If you're wondering how many gold bars that is, the court document says it's about 308. He was a high-level official with top secret clearance in the CIA, and that he not only lied about what he was doing with this money, but that allegedly he also lied about his background, said that he graduated from a college he did not attend, that he went to a graduate school he did not attend, and that he had a pilot's license that the FAA said he did not have.
So he was arrested last week and he is now in detention facing these charges of lying about his background and perhaps unknowingly embezzling American taxpayers' money. I want to read you a statement we just got in from the CIA saying that after a CIA internal investigation identified potential violations of the law, CIA Director John Ratcliffe referred the information to the FBI for a law enforcement investigation. The FBI is working closely with our partners at the CIA and the Department of Justice as we continue to investigate this matter fully. I'm just telling you, there's a new sheriff in town called directors in both of these places where they don't care about like, oh, it's going to look bad for— they don't care about that. Any of that stuff. Anyone telling you otherwise is totally full of shit. They'll have any of their employees arrested for criminals at a moment's notice if the crime— if they think there's evidence of a crime. Nothing's happening, and it happens again, they just move on. All right, great interview coming up, don't miss it. Quick break here. Every day our heroes answer the daily call to service, putting themselves on the line to protect our freedoms, our communities, and our countries.
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Some of the best tips out there for working out. He also has a book out, you should check it out. It's worth your time. The Esthetic Revolution: Embracing Vanity and the Future of Fitness to Unlock Your Healthiest Self. Dr. Mike Israetel. It's I-S-R-A-E-T-E-L. Dr. Mike, welcome to the show.
Thank you so much for having me on.
So I really enjoy your TikTok channel. You have a lot of great information. I'm into life hacks. I've been lifting most of my adult life, but I'm 51 now, and I've watched one of your videos and you were focusing on on the value of big compound movements, deadlifts, the squats, the things we, in our younger days, we kind of built our whole strength architecture around. But for some of the folks listening to my show in their late 30s and 40s and now 50s, bang for the buck-wise, is that really worth it for us? Do you recommend that to some of the folks who are in that age group?
I just wouldn't even lift if I was in that age group because you're so old, it's just hopeless now. It's just time to realize your time has come to an end.
So you're probably right. You're probably right.
That's tough, tough way to start the talk. Yes, those movements are incredible for older folk, but with two caveats. Caveat number one is that probably for higher reps, so sets of 10, 15, or 20 reps in the bench press, in the deadlift, in the squat, in the lunge, in the row, these are phenomenal movements that are very safe. The other caveat is you have to use good technique, which means controlling the descent and the ascent using a stable movement pattern that like the same, you know, in any given 3 reps, they all look right about the same instead of, you know, you ever seen someone lift and you're like, what exercise is that? From rep 1 to rep 4, that's a different movement altogether. Don't do that. So you have a consistency of repetitions, control the eccentric and the concentric. And make sure that you're never slamming the weights or touching, going really fast, and you're always under control, maybe even with gentle pauses at the bottom. If you do that for higher reps, you have excellent body position. Deadlifts and squats and lunges and good mornings are phenomenal, especially for older folks because they build massive resiliency against injury.
As most injuries come in the real world when you're playing with your kids, not in the gym.
Yeah, you're right. I mean, when I hurt my back, uh, someone was telling me it's roughly that 10 degrees of where you're just slightly hunched over where you create the most torque on the spine. I was lifting up my child, it was more than 20 pounds. Yeah, I'm not a huge deadlifter, but I could, you know, pull about 315 back in the day, and that's where I actually injured my back. So that unfortunately happened to me. What about the value of things like negatives that are very stressful on the nervous system. Negatives meaning the slow lowering of the weight for folks out there who are not big life hackers like me and others. Is there a value in that, or does it just take away too much from the concentric lifting portion of it? Or is it just like a limited kind of intro into the program where you do it once in a while?
So it's great intro into programs because by controlling the eccentric, you can— as you teach people good technique, you can guide them to alter it. Like, if I'm squatting down wrong and you're coaching me to squat better, if my eccentric takes half a second, you can't give me corrections while I'm squatting. But if my eccentric takes 3 or 4 seconds, you can say, okay, that's great, great, great, now sit back, back, back, back, back. And then all of a sudden I'm changing on the fly, which is really, really good. So the teaching tool— eccentrics, uh, accentuated eccentrics are very awesome. The slower you do the eccentric, all other things being equal, the less probability of injury risk you're going to have. And slower eccentrics tend to be rehabilitative for old injuries. So, they're actually really, really good at healing you up. The slow eccentrics have massive value. Now, can you get as many reps as you could before now that you're slowing down the eccentric?
No.
But for folks that are adult-aged, it doesn't really seem to make sense to try to impress each other in the gym egotistically. Like you just kind of lift in an optimal manner. At the same time, rapid eccentrics are also very safe for people who are used to lifting and know what they're doing, and they're just about as, um, prone to causing you muscle growth. The eccentric phase also, believe it or not, costs less nervous system energy than does the concentric phase. And so the eccentric phase can actually be lengthened to produce maybe slightly less nervous system fatigue while producing the same amount of muscular hypertrophy stimulus. So slow eccentrics have all these different use cases. They're not mandatory, but they come in handy a lot. And I would say a default for someone who's trying to live for health and for physique and to be their best self, I think several seconds of eccentric is a swell, swell idea. And don't just go into half-second eccentrics, but if you're trying to do 6-second eccentrics or 8-second, they could just be really annoying and painful and not pay big dividends.
We're talking to Dr. Mike Izzratel. Check him out on TikTok. Check out his book as well. We'll show the COVID on the screen repeatedly throughout the show. Dr. Mike, another thing, a question I get from my audience whenever we bring up these, uh, you know, Make America Healthy Again life hack kind of segments is people ask me, well, I'm constrained on time. And I said, well, we're all constrained on time. I'm constrained on time too. If you want to do something bad enough, you'll dig the time out. But if you had only, say, 3 or 4 hours a week. Um, should the average lifter who's not, you know, doesn't make their life in athletics or weightlifting or powerlifting or anything like that, but looking for health and general health benefits— is there a whole body routine, a Monday, Wednesday, Friday like they used to do in the Franco Columbo, Schwarzenegger days? Um, is it a, you know, a split routine? How many days a week do you have to hit a body part with weight training, uh, under time constraints where you can make it effective without being burdensome on your life.
Yeah, I'll say 3 or 4 hours is a long, long time. If you want to have really good health and physique, you can train as little as twice a week for 20 minutes at a time and still get incredible results. You just have to be like really judicious with the kinds of exercises you use, the kinds of rep ranges you use, and how much rest time you're taking. So let me build out a little sample of what that workout could look like. What you wanna do is choose exercises that train multiple muscle groups. For example, a deficit close grip pushup trains your shoulders and your triceps and your chest, whereas a pec fly only really trains your chest. So if you take a close grip deficit pushup, all of a sudden that's like training 3 muscles in one. If you pair that to another movement, let's say an underhand pulldown, the underhand pulldown is something that you have, like, let's say trains your biceps and your forearms and the backs of your shoulders and more or less almost your entire back musculature. If you do a set of deficit push-ups for a set of 15 or 20 reps, then with basically no break, you go into underhand pulldowns for a set of 15 to 20 reps, and with basically no break, you go back to those push-ups and you do the back to back to back to back to back.
About 5 minutes later, you can have almost your entire upper body completely cooked and then move on to a pairing of lower body exercises. So during the pushing component, none of the pushing stuff interferes with the pulling stuff. So while you're working out, half of your body's resting, the other half is training, or some fraction of muscles are resting, some fraction are training. That means if you use this method of unrelated muscle group supersets, you can actually just be training almost the entire time that you're in the gym. And if you do sets of 15 to 20 reps, they're not so heavy that you'll get injured because you'll screw up your technique. And also they give you a great cardiovascular workout. If you do a workout like this, you can pair 3 pairings of movements, so 6 total movements, each one training something the other one doesn't train at all. And because you're using movements that train multiple muscle groups, you can legitimately get through like an entire massive workout in literally 20 minutes. If you have more time, 40 minutes, my God, you can pump, you can pump up the sets till you're blue in the face.
And if you do a 40-minute workout 3 times a week where it's whole body every day, 6 exercises every day, and you just alter some of the exercises or upper body first and then on Monday and the lower body second on Monday, on Wednesday it's kind of even mix, and on Friday it's lower body comes first and upper body comes second. You get a little bit of a different look, a little bit of variation. You can even use different exercises at different times of those weeks. And all of a sudden, in 3 sessions of 40 minutes, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, you are getting a gargantuan crazy workout that's going to make you stronger, going to make your connective tissues more resilient, it's going to make you healthier, it's going to make your muscles bigger, and it also is a crapload of cardio for your health and will boost fat loss to some meaningful extent. The only thing you have to make sure after that is to control your diet really well and your stress levels and sleep really well. And once you've got that dialed in, man, you could have unbelievable results from training as little as 20 minutes twice a week.
And with 40 minutes 3 times a week, oh my God, you can have an incredible transformation.
Talking to Dr. Mike Isratel. Dr. Mike, you know what, you get so many different various perspectives on cardio to have changed in the macro and the micro. It seems like over time, you know, people used to, ah, cardio, you don't do cardio. It's going to strip away muscle. And then cardio, when CrossFit came around, it was this huge cardio revolution. With VO2 max, your ability to process oxygen and, uh, and use it efficiently being correlated with long life in many of these research studies, what's your recommendation again to the recreational lifter out there about cardio? Is it Zone 2? Is it a couple days a week, 3 days a week, whenever you can fit it in? And what's your perspective on it stripping muscle, given how valuable that is as we get older and we start to lose it?
Yeah, great question. If you're lifting 4 or 5 days a week for an hour at a time, really hard, and if you're controlling your diet really well, and if you're getting about 10,000 daily steps, you don't need to do cardio, and you're going to be super, super healthy and super well. You can benefit from more cardio though, especially if you don't train as much. I think 3 sessions of a minimum of about 15 minutes per session, 3 sessions per week of cardio is a really swell idea. And the rule there is don't do anything that's beating up your joints, like in a way that they just keep getting worse. And secondly, do it at an intensity that makes you just barely unable to hold a conversation at minimum. So if you see someone on a treadmill and they're like, I'm getting my 15 minutes 3 times a week, except they're yapping on the phone or yapping to their friends the whole time, That's not the kind of cardio we want you to do. Just physical activity and steps will take care of the rest of that. What you want to do is push the system.
You want to be substantially out of breath. You can do 15 minutes 3 times a week. You can go up to an hour 6 times a week, probably closer to that 15 minutes 3 times a week. In addition to lifting and having a healthy diet is where all the best health benefits are. Unless you go to hours and hours of cardio a day and severely restricting your caloric intake, the effect of cardio on muscle mass is going to be teeny tiny and just unnoticeable to the regular person. So if you want an amazing fit body and you want to be healthy, don't you go worrying about what cardio you're doing. Just make sure you're eating plenty of protein, plenty of calories, sleeping really well, and training hard with weights, and your muscle is going to be not the least of your problems.
Well, you segued nicely to my next question, whether intentional or not. Again, another long-running debate in addition to the value of cardio is protein. Uh, we eat too much, we eat too little. Back— I remember when I was, uh, I was working out in the '80s. You know, a couple of medical folks told me, "Yeah, it's gonna kill your kidneys if you eat too much protein. You're gonna die." It was like almost apocalyptic view of protein. Listen, I get mine in every day. I take my protein powder. I try to hit a gram per pound, about 200 pounds, about 200 pounds. So about 200 grams of protein a day. Is that outdated? Do we need that much protein? Is it a waste?
I'm gonna send an RIP letter to your kidneys because you're done. You've just been poisoning yourself your whole life, unbeknownst to you. And with healthy kidneys too, how strange.
Yeah.
So I'll tell you this, the doctors in the '80s were just wrong, and there's just no other way to say that. They also said creatine was really bad for you, and that was also make-believe. It turns out that if you have normal healthy kidneys, and, and the way I mean this is like you go to the doctor once a year and you go, are my kidneys okay? And he's like, why would you even ask that question? Of course they're okay. Anything like that is true for you. There is not a functional, realistic amount of protein that you can eat that will give you bad kidneys or poor health. It just doesn't exist. So the top-end limit of protein is not a real thing. There's not an amount of protein that's going to make you unhealthy. If you have severe kidney disease, that is a conversation between you and your doctor. On the low end, if you eat too little protein, you pay for it in all kinds of ways. You have reduced muscle mass, reduced cognitive bandwidth. If you really, really go low on protein, it can impact your health substantially. It can impact bone health and all this other crazy stuff.
So for people that are very serious about for sure getting enough protein to grow almost all the muscle that they can, your gram per pound rule is awesome. For people that just want to be healthy and have an awesome life, somewhere between that and half a gram per pound is a good idea. So if you weigh 200 pounds and you're eating under 100 grams of protein a day, you're making a very big mistake that'll possibly cost you some health points. If you're eating anywhere between 100 and 150 grams of protein per day, you're doing pretty well for yourself. 150 to 200 is like really awesome. There is a conversation for more than 200, more than a gram per pound. If you're an elite advanced bodybuilder and you take lots of performance enhancing drugs and you're training 8 days a week or something, then there's a possibility that more protein can be added additively beneficial for you. But around anywhere between 0.75 grams per pound to a gram per pound for most people that are fit, healthy, active, and resistance trained and want to age really awesomely, that is a really sharp idea. So I think you're right on the money with your own recommendation.
Talking to Dr. Mike Isretel. Check him out on TikTok. Check out his book, The Esthetic Revolution, available wherever you get your books. There's a picture of it on the screen right there. Dr. Mike, With regards to protein, if you had no, you had no, you gotta, you got a gun to your head, you gotta pick one, one or the other. You know, a good solid whey protein isolate or like a casein milk protein blend. Well, again, what is the average recreational man, woman looking for health and fitness? They don't have a ton of money to be spending on products. Do you recommend the blend or strict whey protein? What do you think is better for, you know, health and fitness?
Yeah, great question. If I had a gun to my head, the first thing I'd probably try is just like just uncontrollably bawling so that the captors have some sympathy for you and maybe let you go. But if that doesn't work, then you're gonna have to answer the protein question, I suppose. And then after saying things like, take my children, I never liked them anyway, and they're really like, okay, you really have to answer the question now. I would say for the average person, a blend of casein and whey is a real great idea. Because casein is really slow digesting, whey is really fast digesting. If you're using protein like most people are, which is just to increase their daily protein amount. So for example, you wake up in the morning, you have a protein shake, we have it in the evening, or have them post-workout. It just buttresses all the protein you're eating throughout the day so that your meals don't have to be psychotically protein only and you can have like a decent time eating normal meals. If that's the case, then a casein whey hybrid is really, really awesome because it digests moderately quickly and it just like is a meal replacement digestion, like 3 3 or 4 hours later, you'll be ready to eat again.
Whey protein is totally cool. It doesn't control hunger all that well. If you have whey protein— sorry, remembering last time I was interviewed at gunpoint— the whey protein can really rapidly leave your bloodstream and get into your muscles, which is awesome. But at the same time, you could be pretty hungry a few hours later, and that sort of didn't work. Casein by itself is really swell, but whey protein is so awesome at growing muscle. I would say a blend is probably my choice. In that situation. And actually, it's what you find in Fairlife protein. I'm not sponsored by Fairlife because Coca-Cola refuses to have anything to do with me, but they're still great.
Talking to Dr. Mike Isretel. Dr. Mike, you've been generous with your time, but one last question for you. You know, the peptides revolution, we've seen everything from BPC to a whole bunch of others. Portfolio peptides seems to grow by the day. What's your general take on it? Is it a kind of let's wait and see long-term? Are some of these you believe worth people who are maybe desperate giving a shot to? What's your take on this?
Yeah, that's a great question. That's a spectrum really. And so there are, on the one hand, peptides that are like super well vetted and are incredible, like tirzepatide, for example, AKA Mounjaro. Aka Zepbound. I mean, this is like a health elixir. We used to think it was a health elixir a few weeks ago until we got the recent data. And it turns out that people on GLPs like tirzepatide actually have like half of the cancer progression rate as matched controls. So they're also anti-cancer drugs. And so like, if you're not taking tirzepatide as an adult at low doses, you should really think about it. So some of these drugs bump up against like almost like this is just like vitamins. It's a good idea to have. And then you have drugs somewhere in the middle that are incredibly promising. You just don't have a ton of human trials on them yet. Like BBC-157. Everything we've ever learned about BBC-157 in animal models and in limited human trials is like, whoa, holy crap, this is like a healing peptide. It just like heals all of your connective tissue and pings and dings. And for people in the 40s, 50s, 60s, it could be like a huge revolution.
But there's just not enough human trials for us to super confidently be like, everyone should be on BBC. Just set up needles in your house and just fall on a mat of BBC needles. We're not quite there ready to say that yet. And then there are peptides that are just way more speculative on which there's almost no research for humans. MOTS-C comes up as an example. Potentially, on paper and in some animal trials, it's like really awesome rejuvenation peptide, really, and a mitochondrial metabolic optimizer. But, man, the level of evidence on it is so low that, like, you know, people in the medical space and even PhDs like myself, just like, we don't really try to recommend things to people that are like rolling the dice. And so you have basically all three of those drugs are somewhere on opposite ends of the spectrum to each other. And so consult your doctor, read some interesting informative things online, and make your decision as best as you can is my recommendation. But we're not in a place where we can say, like, you know, peptides are all good. It's kind of like food at this— imagine an alien came down, stood in a parking lot of a, you know, a Kroger with you, and he was like, is food at the store good?
And you're like, it depends on what you buy. You know, like, you know, hot dogs just eaten right off the grill, probably not the healthiest thing in the world. There's tons of fruits and veggies in there, and then cereals are kind of contextual. So it's the same thing with peptides.
Dr. Mike, I really appreciate you coming. I appreciate you coming on, folks. Please check out his TikTok channel, check out his book, The Esthetic Revolution. Incredibly valuable information. I'm sure it'll be a big hit with the audience. See the picture on the screen right there of the book. Thanks so much for your time. Uh, you're welcome back anytime you'd like.
Huge pleasure. Thank you so much.
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