Transcript of The Manhunt, the Manifesto and the Murder Charge

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From the New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is The Daily. Today, the five-day manhunt for the killer of a healthcare CEO, what we know about the suspect now in custody, and what the case has revealed about many Americans' contempt for insurance companies. It's Tuesday, December 10th. On Wednesday morning of last week, the Chief Executive of United Health Care, Brian Thompson, left his hotel in Midtown Manhattan for his company's investor conference a few blocks away. It was 6:45 in the morning, still mostly dark out. As Thompson neared his destination, a hooded and masked gunman emerged from behind a parked car, took out a gun with a silencer, and began to fire at him over and over in what's clearly a targeted attack. Chilling new details tonight, following what police say was the premeditated murder of the CEO of United Health care on the busy streets of Midtown Manhattan early today. Surveillance videos of all of this, which emerged a few hours later, shocked the city. It was so surreal. It's something that you would watch on a TV show, in a movie, this in cold blood assassination, two blocks away from my house.

What I heard was that he ran up sixth Avenue and into the park. And so know that would be right here.

Just as shocking was how effortlessly, Thompson's killer got away.

According to the NYPD, the shooter took off through an alley, grabbing an E-bike and riding it into Central Park, which at that was filled with morning runners and walkers.

By the end of the day, a massive citywide manhunt was underway. Cops literally fan out across Central Park. Hotel rooms are being searched, Drones are put in the air.

New this morning, NYPD releasing surveillance photos of the suspected gunman at a New York hostel without a mask.

Eventually, small pieces of evidence emerge. A major discovery. Police sources say they found a backpack believed to be the shooter's. No gun was found inside. What was found? A jacket in monopoly money. As speculation begins about why exactly this CEO was targeted, the question naturally arises. Was this about health care? The police reveal a single piece of evidence that suggests perhaps it was.

The words delay, deny, and possibly depose are written on shell casings, recovered from the scene.

Those words are strikingly similar to a title of a book that condemns the insurance business. Suddenly, it looks like this murder and this missing suspect have tapped into something much bigger.

I mean, Every person in America has had a brush with the healthcare system that has not been excellent.

I spoke with my colleague, Deon Searcy, who writes about wealth and power in New York.

I got brought into this story last week, the day after the shooting, when I had noticed a lot of posts on social media, strangely in support of the shooter. Some of the posts were very pointed and direct and just full of malice for the victim, which is something that we don't usually see. I just started going through tweets and going through all the networks and collecting just this outreach over the health care system.

Let me just start off this video by saying I do not condone violence by any means, but let's talk about what happened today with the United Health Care CEO.

Six months before my mom died, her health insurance let her know that all of the things that she had been prescribed and insured for for the last 10, 15 years of her life were no longer going to be covered.

There was some real anger that this unleashed Sitting in the emergency room with my one-year-old baby, she needed to be transferred to New York City so she could have emergency brain surgery.

And instead, we sat in the hospital for three days because United HealthCare refused to approve the transfer via ambulance.

You know, moms who couldn't get an ambulance ride covered.

So my United Health care story is that when my son needed a special type of bed because of his disability, they denied us that.

Today is a beautifully ironic day for United Health care to deny my injections for my cancer treatments.

There's no shortage of really painful experiences. And I think why emotions are so heightened is because you interact with health insurance companies at, obviously, some of the worst moments of your life, when your kid is hurting or dying, when you are hurting or dying. I mean, you're keyed up for some pretty charged emotions.

You know, maybe violence is not the way. But have you read any of the comments on those videos reporting this story? People are calloused. People do not care because the health insurance companies do not care about their lives.

So plenty of people are not celebrating what happened here. They're just seeing it as a chance to...

To vent?

Yeah, to fume about it.

Yeah, for sure. Medical debt is insane right now in America. Here's a guy who found a path to do something about it in the worst possible way.

Then on Monday morning, five days into this manhunt and this growing expression of fury at the US health care system, there's a major development in the story.

I came this morning to the shack just to get a sense of the buzz. I wasn't expecting that there would be a break in the case.

I called my colleague, police reporter Maria Kramer, who works out of a small press room inside the NYPD called the Shack.

I went upstairs, confirmed some tantalizing details. They'd found monopoly money in the backpack, and the canine units that are good at detecting guns had been deployed at close to where the Greyhound Depot was. We were just going to do a small update. Then just as we were doing all that, boom. It just very quickly developed that a man was taken into custody in Pennsylvania.

After the break, everything we now know about the suspect. We'll be right back. Hey, it's John Chase. And Mario O'Hara. From Wirecutter, the product recommendation service from the New York Times. Mario, it is gift-giving time. What's an easy gift for someone like Under50 Bucks? In our Gifts Under50 Guide, we have this super cute palm-sized Bluetooth speaker. It comes in an array of cool colors. It's waterproof. If you can bring it anywhere, I want one for my garden. I love it. Check out all of Wirecutter's gift recommendations for yourself and everyone else at mytimes. Com/holidayguide. Maria, this is a fast-moving story, so I just want to acknowledge when we're talking to you. It's 5:45 or so on Monday night. I want you to tell us, based on what you know now, how this suspect was caught and how this manhunt came to what looks like its end. Then we'll get to what we're learning about who the suspect is and what truly motivated him. But let's just start with how he gets caught.

What we learn from our police sources and from a news conference where the police address the media.

Good afternoon, everyone. Earlier this morning, and I'll Al tuna, Pennsylvania.

Members- That on Monday morning at 9:14 at a McDonald's in Al tuna, Pennsylvania.

The suspect was in a McDonald's and was recognized by an employee.

You have an employee who notices a man eating in the restaurant. That employee recognizes this man as the man that was photographed on various surveillance shots released by the New York Police Department as the person of interest in the shooting of Brian Thompson. He calls 911. He calls the Altuna Police Department.

Responding officers question the suspect who was acting suspiciously and was carrying- They find a man sitting at a table, looking at a laptop, and wearing a blue medical mask.

When an officer asks him to pull down his mask and asks if he's been to New York recently, the man becomes quiet and starts to shake.

Upon further investigation, officers recovered a firearms on his person as well as a suppressor, both consistent with the weapon used in the murder.

Eventually, they search him and they find a gun, they find a silencer, and they find fake identification guards.

Also recovered was a fraudulent New Jersey ID, matching the ID our suspect used to check into his New York City hostel before the shooting incident. A pretty distinct piece of evidence, especially the gun and the silencer, that suggests this is most likely their guy. Exactly.

The gun was a source of much debate online. People were trying to figure out what this gun was, and what it turns out to be is what we call a ghost gun. These are guns that are assembled from parts that have been printed out from a 3D printer. This gun is capable of firing 9 millimeter rounds, which are the rounds that were found at the crime scene in New York.

What Maria, do we begin to learn about this suspect, about who he is, about his biography?

What we learn about this man is that his name is Luigi Mangioni. He's 26 years old, and he seems to have come from a life of a lot of privilege. He was born and raised in Maryland. He went to a private school in Baltimore, the Gilman School. He was a wrestler there. He graduated as a valid Victorian. He goes on have an Ivy League background, getting his undergraduate degree and his graduate degree at the University of Pennsylvania. From there, he starts working in tech, travels a little bit around the country, living in San Francisco and in Honolulu. He has a pretty interesting online presence. It suggests he's really well-read. He's posting about books that he's read on Goodreads. By all accounts, if you look at his background, he seems accomplished, but normal. According to the police, from what they have learned so far about him, he doesn't have a criminal record. There was one citation for him, trust passing in Honolulu at a state park. But other than that, his record is clean, at least according to what we know so far.

What are we learning about how he goes from having no criminal record and having this fairly normal existence to, allegedly, committing murder. What are the police uncovering about any Any motivations?

There's very little that we know about him personally to suggest that he was going to go from Ballard Victoria in his high school class and UPEN grad to the alleged killer of an executive in New York. But there are some clues that the police are looking at. One of the big ones is this three-page, handwritten manifesto that the police find on Luigi Mangione when he's arrested.

What is in that manifesto as best we know?

In this 260-word, handwritten manifesto, Luigi Mangione is appearing to take responsibility for the murder, according to a senior law enforcement official who saw the document. He notes United Health care's market, capitalization growing, and condemns companies like United Health care that, quote, continue to abuse our country for immense profit. Also in a pretty haunting part of the document, he says, These parasites had it coming, end quote, I do apologize for any strife and trauma, but it had to be done.

Wow. Do we know if he himself personally had a bad experience with United Health care?

We don't know if he had a personal experience with the insurance company, but we do know that he had been in regular contact with his friends and his family until about six months ago. That's when he suddenly stopped communicating with them. His friends have told us that he had been suffering from a painful back injury at the time. That's when communication went dark and his relatives and friends began to become very anxious about him. Why hadn't anyone heard from him? The other thing we know is that in the last year, had been writing many reviews on Goodreads, specifically one about a book that was written by Ted Kuzinski, the Unibomber, who mailed bombs to people that he felt were destroying the world with technology. Ted Kuzinski killed three people, and he was seen, he was a terrorist. But in his review, Mr. Mangioni describes him as a mathematics prodigy, and he tells readers not to dismiss the book as the manifesto of a lunatic. He praises him by saying that many of his predictions about modern society turned out to be true, so he was prescient. He specifically says that while he was a violent individual, rightfully imprisoned for killing and maiming people, these actions, and this is a direct quote, while these actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy loodite, however, they are more accurately seen as those of an extreme political revolutionary.

There's admiration in that view of a man who did terribly violent things.

To some degree, in the name stopping corporations from hurting the world.

Exactly.

The working theory here would seem to be that Mangione, over some period of time, since he left college, became somebody who identified with these efforts to take on corporate America, perhaps specifically the healthcare industry, out of some belief, allegedly, that like the Unabomber, he could single-handedly hold them to account.

At this point, that is a theory that many people hold, but we really don't know what happened to Luigi Mangioni.

What awaits Mangioni now in the legal system, assuming that police in New York line all this evidence up and decide that he is their suspect in the murder of Brian Thompson?

Just a few minutes ago, Luigi Mangioni arrived at the Blair County Courthouse in Holodeysburg, Pennsylvania. He was led out of the car by two officers who walked him in, his hands bound behind his back, and there was a huge media presence there. Here he is being brought into a courthouse, not to face murder charges, but to face gun charges. He's there for a preliminary arraignment. Then what's going to happen is prosecutors there will decide whether they want to carry out these charges against him in Pennsylvania, or if he can be extradited to New York for, presumably, potentially, murder charges for the killing of Brian Thompson.

Maria, stepping back just a little bit, I'm curious at this point how you're thinking about this overall case and the meanings that it's taken on. We spoke earlier today with our colleague, Deon Sersy, about just how much this case before there was a named person of interest, before there was an arrest, has become about America's health care system and people's frustration with it. Of course, it's a cold-blooded murder, right? And yet it's also become this referendum, it would seem, on a broken healthcare system and populist rage over that. How are you making sense of all of that as this case now moves into this next phase of the actual criminal justice system?

I think that's a really interesting question that I've been thinking about myself because to the police, to prosecutors, to the detectives who've been looking into this and talking to Brian Thompson's family and colleagues and friends, this is a homicide. This is a murder they have to investigate. This is a murder they have to solve. To many in the public, and even some officers that I've spoken with, it's something that underscores the anger and the frustration at a system that they feel they have no control over, and yet it's such a huge part of their lives, their health care, and how they pay for it. I wonder, as this case unfolds, will the public's perception of him change as we learn more about what motivated him when he did what he allegedly did, which is kill a man who was heading to a meeting, a father of two, and a person who is missed by colleagues, is missed by friends, is a human being. To many, he represents this avaricious industry, but he's also a person who was murdered in cold blood. His killer, in the minds of the police, in the minds of investigators, in the minds of prosecutors, and his family and friends, he needs to be brought to justice.

Does this investigation reveal more about him that makes the public think twice about this folk hero status that some have attached to him.

Well, Maria, thank you very much. We appreciate it.

Thank you so much.

After we spoke with Maria, Mangione was charged with five crimes in Pennsylvania, including carrying a gun without a license, forgery, and falsely identifying himself to the authorities. A few hours later, prosecutors in Manhattan charged him with murder. On social media, an ex-account belonging to Mangioni gained more than 200,000 followers after his arrest, and the hashtag FreeLouigi was trending across the platform. We'll be right back.

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Today's episode was produced by Stella Tan. Alex Stern, Lindsay Garrison, and Nina Feldman, with help from Luke Van der Poluk. It was edited by Paige Cawet and Maria Byrne. Contains original music by Diane Wong, Alishaba Itup, Pat McCusker, and Sophia Landman, and was engineered by Chris Wood. Our theme music is by Jim Brunberg and Ben Lansferck of Wunderly. Special thanks to nick Pitman. For the Daily. I'm Michael Baboro. See you tomorrow.