Transcript of Doctor’s Orders | 6. Fear. And Loathing.

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I'm an Estonian woman called Kaderi. She's tall, blonde, very blonde.

Everyone has told us that Monir Yueda is in Beirut, Lebanon, a country without an extradition agreement with the United States. So effectively, he's out of reach of US law. What does he say?

He's saying there's a lady who is alone, full. She passes by this street, but she does not live in this building.

Oh, she passes in this street.

But Is he completely out of reach? Mayan Masad and Alex Burnley are the investigative journalists I've been working with in Beirut. They had an idea.

I can pretend I'm Estonian. Who the fuck is going to know that I'm not?

I mean, with our luck, we might run into an actual Estonian person. We don't want to test it.

I just say an Estonian friend of mine has told me to...

Alex and Mayan knew the general area where we think Munir lives, part of the city known for its expensive apartments, very luxe gated communities, dorm and buildings, and a hilltop view of the Mediterranean. The plan? Go door to door to all the fanciest buildings in the area and talk to the doorman. Because no matter where you are in the world, the doorman, the doorwomen, the door people, they always know the tea. Alex was the clueless white foreigner who, with his driver and translator, was looking for his long lost friend, Kajri Velhats, the former Estonian beauty queen.

Hello. Good morning. I have a bit of a weird request to make. I have a friend of mine, a tall Estonian woman. I'm looking for her, but I don't know which building she's in.

Something that's great about podcasts is we get to just edit out the hours of nose they got, going from one building to another. She passes by this street, but she does not live in this building. Oh, she passes in this street.

The dormant of this building says, Yeah, I've seen this woman around. I know who you're talking about.

He's saying she usually passes around this time or like an hour earlier. Okay.

To be sure, they show him a picture of Khadri. This is her?

This is her? Yeah. Oh, really?

It's her. Her husband is the doctor, right? He says. Bingo. And not only that, but a man who's with the doorman tells them exactly which building the family used to live in. So they go there, and that doorman gives Alex and Mayan directions to where they're living now.

All right.

Here we are. They park across the street, making a note of every car that comes and goes.

Black Range Rover.

Based on their research, apartments in this building are worth millions.

What do we do if we happen to see either Khadri or Munira Waida?

We added out another couple of hours.

Do you see that? That is Cadri. That's Cadri? That's Cadri. All right. Standing there in the entrance. Of course, that's 100% her. 100% it's her. Wait, I'll take a note. That's 14: 19 PM. She has a child with her. Maybe that's it. Khadri and child. Enter building. I think that might have been the taxi which came in. It was in auto taxi.

I'm Ben Adair. From Sony Music Entertainment and Western Sound, you're listening to Doctors' Orders. This is episode 6, fear and loathing.

I believe that Uweida is a very dangerous individual, and he's very vindictive. You just need to be careful when you're dealing around him and the people that he was affiliated with.

Something strange happened while we were making this podcast. It's funny. I've never experienced anything like it before. People were scared. People are scared. Most all the things we've told you about, they happened years ago. Giuliana Redding was murdered in 2008. That's 17 years ago. The frontline conspiracy indictments were just about 10 years ago. I mean, these days, that's like forever. But so many people said to us over and over, no, no, they didn't want to talk, not on the record, because they were scared. Yes, they said, this is an important story. Yes, it needs to get out. But they feared retaliation.

We always exercise caution because they were known to put counter surveillance on you.

This is Bill the insurance investigator, warning us about looking into Munir.

Trying to find where you're living, what hotel you're in, and things like this. You just can't drop your guard around these guys because you're dealing with so much money. So much money.

One source who did go on the record literally would not tell us where she lived. We interviewed her remotely because she wouldn't tell us what state she was in or even what country she was in. She didn't want Munir to know anything about her whereabouts.

I don't want to be afraid of him because it's not healthy to live your life fearful.

This is Giuliana's friend Jessica, whose last name we are not using by her request for safety.

But I can't act like I'm some badass who's like, Oh, I'm not afraid of somebody who seems to have committed some pretty crazy atrocities. Maybe I'm not answering my front door if I don't know who's at my front door situation. I think that's been going for a very long in my life.

We had people in Giuliana's circle hang up on us and tell us, Never call again. Other people talked to us for a while and then just ghosted. Former frontline and Blue Oak employees told us that Even if we change their name, even if we change their voice, Munir might still know who they are, and they just couldn't risk that. They had families, kids.

I wouldn't put anything past Munir and his lawyers and the people around him.

This is Juliana's friend, Elana Hadid.

It's scary for me to say that. I'm saying this to you knowing he is a very scary person. I am saying this because I know that Juliana's story and the reality of who Munir is needs to be told. But it's very scary because he's still out there, and so is she.

She being Kelly Sue Park.

He's lied on numerous occasions. He lied about his medical practice. He lied about his age. He lied about having a family. We know he has access to a ton of money. I think that people are worried about him because of what he's been capable of doing and what we know he has associated negotiation with. The more important story here for me is that that Giuliana's story get out there. I know that there are a lot of people who are quite afraid of Munir and his network and his lawyers. For me, it's important that her story be told and be told with abundance of truth and the reality of who she is and what happened to her and who did it.

The lawyers were the other thing. Lots and lots of people fear that Munir might send lawyers after them if they speak out. Lance Lamont, the journalist behind adjustercom. Net, she's already been sued twice.

I get this complaint served to me, and I said, Well, this is interesting.

It was a lawsuit for defamation, filed in 2010.

Why would I be served with a complaint for just telling the news? He wrote me a cease and desist letter. He said, Take down this article immediately. You're going to be sued. And he made all these threats. I said, There's nothing libelous about my article that I published. It's just a matter of fact. So no, I'm not taking it down.

The lawsuit was dismissed. But two years later, Lunt says she got another lawsuit, this time filed in Lebanon.

Sent me a summons to show up in a court in Beirut, Lebanon, the Court of Urgent Matter.

She never showed up in Lebanon.

I'm not planning to fly to Beirut, Lebanon anytime soon.

Lantz has moved homes for her own safety. Her safety from Munir.

We did have one witness early, early on who was a former employee.

She was really broken up.

This is Matt Murray and Erica Mall here from the Riverside County DA's office.

You wait ahead, sued her a bunch of times. Her and her husband, I think it was her husband, both worked for him.

She was scared. He came after her. He has all this money. She has none. And it got so bad, she couldn't keep affording to go back to court. So she settled, and she pays him every month because of the settlement.

Naya Nmsad, the Lebanese investigative journalist. She says she knows Mounir's type.

Sort of the stereotypical Lebanese fog. The person who has lived a very privileged life and is used to commanding people and getting away with things. I know that's a little bit of a prejudice, but that is a similar scenario that we see a lot in the country. So these people are known to have a bunch of people that work under them. And as long as you have the cash, as long as you have the money, you can basically do whatever you want and just nobody asks any questions.

Of course, this type is not just in Lebanon. These days, we see them everywhere. Ultra wealthy, think they're above the law, do whatever the hell they want, and never face real repercussions. I mean, if Giuliana Redding hadn't been killed, would Munir Yueda have ever caught the eye of the LA district Attorney's office? Would he still be leading his empire and all its endeavors?

He catches people through their dark side. He catches people through their weakness. He catches people through their shadow side.

Lance Lamont.

Everybody has a shadow. Sometimes, oh, it's just too much money that they're being paid. That's as old of a story as the human race. There's a cliché. It's the root of all evil. Money is the root of all evil. You wait uses people, and they go to prison, they go to jail, they lose their bar card, and Uweida sees not here in prison. Nothing's happening to him. If Dr. Monier Uweida didn't exist, if he'd never been born or if he were not part of this picture, if he were not around, if he didn't exist, none of these people would ever have been indicted or charged. Do you think that it would have happened Kelly C. Park? I don't. Dr. Yaweda is such a manipulator, such a master craftsman at manipulations. He's evil. I have long believed that Dr. Monir Yaweda is the devil himself, is Satan himself, and is evil.

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Alex Amayan, might have found Mounir's house and seen his wife, but there's still no sign of Mounir.

We were trying to look him up online first, and there was very little information available.

One of the benefits of working with local reporters is they know the local language and the local news sites. They found a small news clipping in Arabic that named a place Mounir was reporting for work. In 2017, he's listed as the head of an exclusive swim club in Beirut, it's called Jazeera Sporting Club. It's known for being the training facility for Lebanon's international and Olympic swimmers.

Now, this club has a Facebook page. We went to that Facebook page and we started going down through the years and through the pictures. We were able to find him in multiple pictures.

Pictures of Mounir and Khadri at swimming events, out to dinner, Mounir chatting with children, all in the years after 2010, so after he'd fled the United States.

So 2018 and 2019 gave us new dates to hold on and to prove like, Hey, yeah, he is in Lebanon, and at this moment, he is or he was in Le Pêcheur, a fancy seafood restaurant.

It's weird to see these pictures. Mounir is not in hiding. Far from it. He's being documented, like all of us, on the socials.

Or at this point, he was on the poolside in Barbeda, up the mountain a bit, or at Libanese University, and we could pinpoint where he was at what time. So that was a very nice find, and it was very satisfying.

But it wasn't just fun and games, and and fancy dinners out. Other names associated with the Beirut Swim Club have popped up, tied to Munir's business interests around the world. Nassib Saab and Adel Yamut are the Treasurer and Secretary General of the Swim Club, and their The names are on several companies and businesses linked to Munir in the United States, Estonia, and Germany. For example, the Beverly Hills house where Giuliana once lived is listed with Adel Yamut as the owner. Adel Yamut was also listed as the managing director of the horse farm in Germany as of 2024. Nassib Saab is listed on companies in Estonia, linked to Munir and Khadri. It seems like there's something happening here, but we can't see exactly what. Two other interesting details that came up in our reporting show, well, maybe they indicate a direction. In the late 2000s, as the frontline scheme was pulling in more and more patients, a big outflow of money was going to kickbacks, payments to people who'd refer patients into frontline and the affiliated companies. Insurance investigator Bill Reynolds says that cash and checks became too risky.

They go buy gold cougar and coins that could be worth $500 each.

Five hundred bucks is the low end for a gold cougar on's coin. Individual coins can be worth thousands. And once you have them in hand, they're untraceable.

It was a way to pay the kickbacks to the doctors without them getting a check from crook number one, going to crook number two. You just start handing these pocketfuls of coins, easily cashed offshore and deposited for offshore. Impossible to track by IRS because it's not a physical asset like a house or a car.

La prosecutor, Deanne Mathai, says, We never saw enough evidence about the cougarans to put it in front of a jury. But later, our reporter in Germany, Rob Hyde, found reference to a 2021 legal battle in the Netherlands. It was a custody fight involving the Oak Grove Horse Farm, linked to Munir. Basically, it had tried to secure these valuable embryos through a high-tech breeding system. Then it turned into a really aggressive, ugly legal dispute about who owns them. It also basically suggested that the farm had tried to use the horses, and particularly the embryos, as a traceless form of asset, so whereby it could move its money around without having to officially register it and pay taxes and this type of thing. Champion horse embryos as another traceless asset or currency. Is this higher tech than Bitcoin or lower? I'm not sure. And what does it mean? I mean, the only thing we can say for sure is that the business seems to be evolving, moving beyond traceable assets. And what about California? Though they wouldn't say it, I got the distinct impression that everyone on the law enforcement side, certainly everyone on the insurance side, thinks Munir is still making money in California.

The way health care billing works, it's just too big, too unwieldy too many moving parts to lock it all down, and too many invested players.

So you take a guy like Yoheda who's making a million dollars a month.

Bill Reynolds again.

The bills are all going to the medical provider network. Well, medical provider network gets a percentage of that. So I go to our medical provider network provider and I say, This guy is a crook. We need to kick him out of our system. He's injuring all these people. He's getting them addicted to drugs. They go, Oh, no, he's bringing in too much money. We can't. He's the top tier. Well, unless he's selling off horses, it's hard to imagine how he's paying off all of his lawyers in the various jurisdictions. You got to figure out, well, somebody's paying him, right?

Jim Fischer is a former attorney for the California Department of Industrial Relations.

You never know where the tentacles go in a situation where the bad guys are really opaque and the payors sometimes are really clueless. You just don't know who you're dealing with if you're an insurance company or you're an insurer because you're never really sure about where that money is going.

After weeks of looking, the closest our Lebanese reporters got to Mounir was knowing where he lived and spotting his wife and son. Even after trying to contact him through his lawyers. We heard nothing back, leaving them and us in the exact same spot as everyone else.

I mean, it's been many years and I still cry. It's not just because It's not just because she's dead. It's because she didn't get the justice she deserved.

This is Giuliana Redding's friend, Elana Hadid.

I would love to have justice in the court of public opinion. I I wish that Kelly Sue Park wasn't allowed to walk around as a free woman with no one knowing what she had done. I do not think enough people in California or around the world know who she is and her name. I don't think that enough people in the world know who Munir Yueda is, and I feel like they don't know what a fraud he is. They don't know his connection to Giuliana. I want more people to know that and to hear her story and to know who Giuliana is, devoid of what the tragedy was to her and the horrific instance of her murder. But the fact that she was a beautiful human who really deserved to be walking this Earth and making it a better place. Her father said something really beautiful at her funeral, and I don't know if I'm supposed to share this, but I will. He said, God always wants fresh flowers on his table. And she was the most beautiful flower. So I think we were able to experience someone for a moment who was maybe not meant to be in this world for more than that.

But she definitely wasn't supposed to come out of this world in the way that she left, which was brutally and really tragically. And so I think my peace is right now, knowing that her voice is being heard through her friends and that you are doing something about what happened to her. And that gives me a lot more peace than I've had in a long time.

I think it's taken a long time for me to realize that maybe justice doesn't come in the form we always expect.

This is Jessica, Giuliana's childhood friend.

That's part of the reason for me being here today and talking and telling the story for the first time in my own words and from my perspective, because I think that a lot of the story of Giuliana and her beautiful, special, incredible life has been made to be something that it wasn't. That beautiful life is now remembered in conjunction with something so dark. And the thing is, she was light. She was beauty. She was fun. She was exciting and funny. And nothing was ever this dark, terrible cloud. She's that person you want to laugh and you feel sad, you feel better the minute you see her. You feel the heaviness of life. And if you see her, she's going to be like, No, Jessie, get a corn dog. She always said, Wean or schnitzel. The many corn dogs can always make you happy. So for me, justice comes in the form of making sure that other people don't go through what Giuliana went through, her family went through, her friends went through.

I can close my eyes and see all of those people in that day that we all had surgery, that the PA did that day. This is Kim Pope, who we heard from in episode 3, she's the victim who almost ended her own life because of the damage done to her shoulder. Just that day was a horror story in itself. There's so many of those days. The sad thing is that he is not the worst man in the world, but he's the worst person I ever encountered. That's such a coward. That's such a coward. Such a coward. How to flush him out?

That remains the salient question.

In 2019, Laurence LeMont wrote a piece on her website about how she thinks Munir Yueda will finally face the music.

Someday, Muneer Yueda will get restless. Lebanon is a country of only 4,000 square miles. Los Angeles County is 4,750 square miles. Thus, Lebanon is smaller than even Los Angeles County.

That's definitely too small a turf for Dr..

Ueda's very inflated ego.

He'll get cabin fever.

One day, he'll make the wrong move or press the wrong adversary too hard.

Mark my words. As I wrapped reporting on this series, I return to where the story started. Giuliana Redding's Old Bungalow in Santa Monica. Okay, so I'm parked right across the street from where Giuliana Redding was murdered. Can't really see anything from the street. There's a big hedge, there's a white fence, and then a hedge on top of the fence. A couple of palm trees in front. I guess I'll get out and see what I can see. This is the LA that people dream about. Palm line streets, beautiful light, the promise of Hollywood, and the beach. Not too far away. After a few minutes walking around, two crows appeared. They seemed transfixed, determined. They moved from branch to branch. They wouldn't go away. They wouldn't stop. I am not a superstitious person, but I do know that in many parts of the world, crows are omens. They mean something. Sometimes good, but mostly bad. Sometimes signaling a warning, sometimes telling you it's already too late. Standing there listening to these birds, just outside the house where Julian Redding's dreams came to a tragic end. I thought about how, without knowing it, Giuliana had slipped into this dark and cynical world where money means more than anything else.

A place where people's most basic trust got them maimed, hurt, and killed. We know about Giuliana, and we know about a number of victims of botch surgeries, but how many more people are out there? How many more victims that prosecutors and investigators never found? And how many more empires of fraud? How many more of these worlds that are just waiting out there, waiting to be fallen into? Are these crows a warning about what's to come? Or are they telling us it's already too late?

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