Transcript of Baby Broker | 1. You Cannot Tell Anyone

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I've written about a lot of major crime cases, but this vile scheme really surprised me. I believe the criminal at the cold heart of it knew that no one would expect it or even imagine it, and that's part of what made it possible. In this story, there's no gun, no knife, no tip ties, but there's a large and dangerous web where you wouldn't expect to find one. I'll show you who spun it and how, and find out why so many couples got caught in it. Because this crime couldn't have happened to nicer people. Last October, I flew to Atlanta to meet one of the couples who got caught in this of lies, Theresa and Mike Mathini. It was a warm and sunny Saturday morning, but the remnants of Hurricane Helene were still visible on the streets. Down trees, standing water, caution signs. We met at a loading dock behind a warehouse that was converted into a recording studio. Theresa has brown hair, a generous smile, and gave me a big hug. She apologized for being nervous and chalked it up to being type A. Mike, on the other is laid back and unflappable. Type B, I guess.

I apologized for mispronouncing their last name. It's Mathini. Okay, got it.

Anything's better than Mathini. Yeah. That's how we identified telemarketers. Or people asking if we want to sell our house.

Theresa and Mike, where does this story begin for you?

God, I'm choking up. I don't know why I'm emotional about this. Oh, shoot. Sorry, give me a minute. This just springs up a lot. I'm sorry.

Theresa reached for a tissue.

We started trying right after we got married to have a baby, and it didn't happen. And so I went to the fertility doctor, and we went through two rounds, and I emotionally could not do it. The second one was brutal.

When IVF didn't work, they changed course.

So we started the adoption journey.

The way that this process works with the adoption. So We created a book on Shutterfly with just very basic information about us, pictures of the house that we live in and our dogs, and Theresa works for a university. At the time, I was a recruiter. Mike It helps people find jobs, et cetera, et cetera.

But we were with them for 18 months, and we never got a match or even our profile presented. Why is it taking so long? Why would nobody choose us? What's wrong with us?

The reason was supply and demand. There are no precise figures, but it's estimated that over a million US couples are waiting to adopt a baby each year, all vying for fewer than 20,000 babies. That lopsided ratio means most couples will never realize their dream. Their nursery will sit empty. No good night moon, no first steps, no spontaneous hugs. Desperate for a match, the Mathines switched agencies. Then the new one told them about a social worker named Tara Lee. Tara Lee ran an adoption company in Detroit called Always Hope.

Listen, she's rough around the edges. She cusses like a sailor. She's covered in tattoos. She's very passionate. She's scatterbrained. She's amazing, does a lot for the birth moms. We're like, Oh, wow, this woman is incredible.

Days later, Tara Lee presented Mike and Theresa's profile book to an expectant mom in Detroit.

We're so excited.

That weekend, the Mathines flew to the Georgia Coast to attend a friend's wedding at an exclusive island estate.

We'll just say these are not our people.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

And get to throw on a shirt and tie and pretend like we belong there. You know what I mean? They checked into a Best Western.

The next morning, September 27th, Mike stepped out to get a coffee in a rental car. Teresa was packing up when her phone rang. This is the call that started it all.

She was like, The birth parents chose you. I'm like, Oh, my gosh, I've got to call Mike. You've got to get back to the room. You're not going to believe this. We're matched. And he's like, What?

Tara Lee had matched them in fewer than two weeks. The birth mom, Stephanie, was pregnant with a boy. We'll call him Baby S.

We were told that she was due on October 11th.

Two weeks to the day from when we had this phone call. We're looking at each other going like, Oh, my God, this is happening. This is amazing.

Tara said, I need $8,000 for birth mom expenses and a separate $5,000 payment for doula and counseling services.

She was like, I'll send you guys a contract, and you guys can get me the money. She was like, Okay, where do I send it?

Did it surprise you that after two years of trying and not being matched, that all of a sudden working with Always Hope, you've got a match?

Yes, because that never happens.

They weren't about to question how she did it, though. They just figured Tara Lee had the Midas touch. They'd been trying to adopt for two years when suddenly it was like Tara Lee had pressed the fast forward button on a VCR and sped up their lives in a surreal blur. It felt like magic. Theresa and Mike spifted up a nursery, bought baby clothes, and installed a car seat. But behind the scenes, something terrible was happening that would soon take center stage. A different drama was about to play out.

Friday, we had dinner with my mother at Ipolio's. We're driving back from dinner, and that is when everything flipped upside down.

Theresa was in the back seat when she got a very strange email from an adoption company she and Mike worked with a while back.

And it said, Has anyone here worked with Tara Lee in Always Hope? And it was very simple like that. I just went, huh? I did respond to the email and said, Actually, we are working with Tara Lee through our agency, and we have a match. We're leaving tomorrow for Michigan. Our baby is going to be born next week.

When they got home, Theresa hurried down to their furnished basement and sent the woman a text. Hey, what's going on?

The woman replied, Do not call Tara Lee. Do not speak with anyone. Someone will be in contact with you soon. I tried to call her again. She refused to answer. I blew her phone up. At this point, I'm starting to get my anxiety. I'm going, What is going on? Something is wrong. It occurred to me, we were signed with Talia and Tanya because they would be representing us and our birth mom.

Talia Getting and Tanya Colorado, were lawyers in Detroit who handled adoptions.

This is the part that really haunts me the most about it all. I called Tanya and I said, I just got this email. What is going on? She goes, Oh, my God. And I'm sobbing. She said, Theresa, you cannot tell anyone this. You cannot tell anyone. Tara is under investigation with the FBI. And I screamed. I screamed like I could hear it in my ears.

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As it turns out, most people who want to adopt don't know how the process works either, which is why they hire an expert to guide them. And that person or agency wields a lot of influence and power. They're almost always a good Samaritan, though. But I wouldn't be telling you this story if that was true in this case. She knew that they would do anything for the hope of having a child.

It didn't feel like we were given a choice. She could tell such outrageous lies. I believe everything she says. Her personality was like, I'm a foul-mouthed, tattooed woman, but I'm doing adoptions, and you wouldn't expect that. There There are so many babies coming out of this agency. I did not realize until the criminal complaint was filed, the extent of it across the country.

There's no playbook for this type of fraud.

I think that when you've been bamboozled, you want to know what happened.

She can tell a wicked story. The news that the FBI was investigating Tara Lee absolutely shattered the Mathini's dream of becoming parents, and they had a million questions. In the years since, they've, in a sense, rewound the tape of the disorienting few weeks that led up to it, Were there signs that things were off? Clues that Tara Lee was not a good Samaritan? The Mathinis now say there were. The day they found out they'd matched with Stephanie, they were sitting side by side on their bed at a Best Western in Brunswick, Georgia. Tara Lee was on speaker, rattling off bits and pieces about Stephanie's pregnancy. And the Mathines, hopeful, trusting, vulnerable, thought their dream of parenthood was coming true.

So we were told that she was due on October 11th.

Which was two weeks to the day from when we had this phone call. So we were literally thinking like, Oh, my God, we're going to have to go home after this wedding and literally pack our stuff and go to Michigan.

Then, Tara Lee told them that Stephanie, the birth mother, was waiting on another line.

She was like, Can I patch her it?

Theresa said, Of course, So Stephanie came on and said hello. She was in her early 40s and had been taking care of others her whole life. First, her younger siblings, then two children from her first marriage who were now older. Then her husband went to prison for a drug-related offense, and they divorced. And now, she lived with her boyfriend and was raising their four-year-old son on the boyfriend's limited income. They decided to put their baby up for adoption because they thought he'd have a better life. But it was a very hard decision.

Tara asked, Do you choose them to parent your child? And she said, Yes.

The Mathines told me the call was tense. They didn't want to say the wrong thing and make Stephanie second guess her decision. As in any private adoption, Stephanie had the right to change her mind even a few days after the final adoption agreements were signed, and that would be days after her son was born. They said Stephanie also seemed cautious, though, but not because they were strangers making a life-changing decision together. It was more like Tara Lee seemed to be controlling what Stephanie said, as if Stephanie had been coached or prepped to seal the deal.

After we got off that phone call, she was like, Okay, so I'm going to put you and myself and your birth mom into a group chat. She was like, The reason why I do that is so in case things If things get awkward, I can step in and smooth things out.

She literally said, I'm just here in case things get weird.

So Tara Lee created the text chain. Mike sent Tara Lee $13,000, and Theresa and Mike flew home to Atlanta with a mission.

We're scrambling. We don't know how long we need to be in Michigan. I don't know where we need to even stay.

We were told that we would be there probably two weeks. He would most likely go into the NICU for a little bit.

And then that's where I'm like... I think it was Monday where I started to, Wait a second. She never sent us the contract. I'm still not seeing a contract. I'm trying to get Tara on the phone. I can't get her on the phone.

Mike kept calling and texting Tara Lee, but she wouldn't answer or reply. They'd given her $13,000. The boy they were adopting would be born in a week, and they had no contract. Why the hell wouldn't Tara Lee answer her phone? Which was when Mike and Theresa got a surprising email from Tara Lee. She'd left the country. Tara Lee's email said she'd gone to Ghana with one of her daughters, carrying suitcases of school supplies for Ghanaian children. Mike and Theresa's contract would have to wait.

But Taralee added, Please know that your birth parents are being taken care of. I have staff. I'll be back in communication later.

Well, and then we're freaking out because we're like, Wait a second. This baby is supposed to be born in less than two weeks.

The Mathines told me they didn't understand why Tara Lee didn't tell them she was going to Ghana while they were on that first call. Hoping for some answers, they sent Stephanie a message in the group text.

Just some like, How are you doing? How are you feeling? But she wouldn't cancer.

That made me wonder if it was normal for an adoption agency to monitor communication between the birth mother and adoptive parents. It seemed fishy. So I called up Rob Kirsch. Rob is a respected adoption attorney who handles adoptions in six states, including Michigan. I asked Rob if it was okay or normal for a birth mom to communicate directly with the parents adopting her baby.

Yeah, I mean, generally, that's That's what happens is they've been communicating their whole pregnancy or the whole time that they've been matched together. I just got off the phone with an expectant mom in Michigan. The adopted parents are from Georgia. They're coming to visit her next month, and they're going to go to a prenatal appointment with her so they can be there and have that relationship.

And you and the agency aren't going to shadow them and be there that whole time?

No.

No.

A lot of times, the birth mom will let us that she's on her way to the hospital, or the adoptive parents will say, Hey, we just heard from the birth mom, and she's in labor now. That's when we learn about it, because really, the communication has more been direct between the adoptive parents and the birth mom.

We're certainly not the intermediary theory. The Mathini said they didn't realize it was abnormal for Tara Lee to monitor their communication with Stephanie. But Tara Lee had made it seem like a necessity.

She goes to Ghana, she comes back. It was once she got back and we knew that she was back, that's when I started reaching out to her. I would text her and be like, Hey, how are you? I heard you're back from Ghana. And she'd be like, Yeah, I'm back. How was your trip? Great. We'd exchange pleasantries and go back and forth. And the minute that I asked anything regarding S's birth mom, medical, anything of substance, she went dark. She wouldn't respond. It was such a mind fuck. Pardon my language.

So you were struggling to get just basic information.

Basic mission.

Tara Lee's scattered communication style drove Theresa nuts. She was re-arranging their lives to be ready for the baby. She also needed to know when to take maternity leave. So, Theresa put on her best place and called Tara Lee to finally pin down some dates and details.

And I was like, Oh, my gosh, we have to leave in a week and a half. And she goes, You don't need to leave in a week. The baby's not due till the end of the month.

So suddenly it went from the 11: 00 ninth of October to the-End of October.

This is where it all started to get weird, where I started to raise an eyebrow.

Getting the due date wrong by almost three weeks was a huge error. Except Tara Lee played it off with a shrug. Whoops. Theresa and Mike were exasperated, but they weren't about to rock the boat, not with a baby in it. And Tara Lee had an explanation for the error. She said the reason The reason the date was wrong was that Stephanie hadn't received any prenatal care until much later in the pregnancy. No prenatal care? I asked Rob Kirsch, the adoption attorney, if that was normal. He said it was very unusual. In almost every adoption he's handled, the birth mother's insurance or Medicaid covered the cost. So I asked Mike and Theresa why they thought Stephanie hadn't gotten any care.

One of the MO for Tara, which comes up over and over again, is she used to always go back to her, You know how these girls are. Talking about women at the methadone clinic, women on drugs, You know how these girls are.

And what did you think she meant by that?

That they basically don't do as they're supposed to do, go to their doctor's appointments. They don't take her phone calls. They don't basically do what she tells them to do. Is what I thought she meant by That was like saying Stephanie's lack of care was her own fault.

I'm also in recovery, so myself. I've been sober for a long time. I find it offensive. It's like, you know how those people are. It's like, no, tell me, how are they?

The Mathines and other clients of Tara Lee, who I eventually spoke with, told me that many of the birth mothers did have substance use disorders, drug addictions. Part of Tara Lee's business model was to seek out pregnant women in vulnerable situations to give up their babies. She'd pass her business card out at methadone clinics and prisons. But Tara Lee had a gritty authenticity that her clients liked, at least initially. And she seemed to genuinely care about helping the birthmothers. But one thing stuck out. I won't get into the weeds here, but Mike, who works in finance, was puzzled by why Tara Lee wanted $8,000 for Stephanie's expenses. Stephanie's rent, utilities, cell phone, groceries, and transportation amounted to less than $2,000 per month. She was due in two weeks, and by law, they could only support her for six weeks after birth. That was a total of two months or $4,000. But Tara Lee wanted twice that much. That was a big cushion. But she said she'd return whatever wasn't used. Mike and Theresa didn't say anything. They trusted Tara Lee knew what she was doing. She'd done it so many times, but they'd never adopted.

What did they know? Stephanie wasn't due until the end of October. They had three more weeks. At the Mathini's home in Atlanta, Halloween decorations were coming out, leaves were turning, and the nights were growing colder. Every day of those three weeks, Theresa and Mike passed by their son's nursery.

We had a little white Jenny Lind crib, and the walls were like a mint, green, gender-neutral. Then had a little chair with an ottoman and stuffed animals.

The nursery had been sitting ready for almost two years, but those last few weeks of October seemed to take forever.

I would go in that nursery and sit and wait. Just waiting. The waiting was really, really hard. It was really hard. It was the hardest part.

Despite Tara Lee's dysfunction and idiosynchrosies, she was going to change their lives. For years, the Mathines had watched as other couples started families with apparent ease. The Mathines had tried to avoid the creeping worry that their nursery might remain empty, that at some sad point in the future, they'd have to take it down. But matching with Stephanie had changed everything. They imagined now rocking their son in the nursery, reading to him, changing his diapers, putting him to bed, rushing into his room at 4: 00 AM if he cried, cried for them. They were going to be parents. Theresa took maternity leave from her work as a lab tech in the Animal Sciences Department at Georgia State. Mike, a loan officer, would work part-time from the road. They were so excited that days ahead of time, they laid out everything they wanted to take to Detroit. What are you packing for this trip?

Golf clubs.

Did you really?

Yeah. My husband forgot that we were bringing another human home with us.

And that we were going to be in Michigan in October.

First of all, he brought his golf clubs, put them in the floorboard in the back. We have stroller, car seat. In addition to this, it was very important to me that I wanted him to be on breast milk. My cousin at the time had a baby, and so she was pumping for me. We had an entire cooler full of breast milk, ice down.

Friday, October 19th, 2018. It was the Mathini's last night in Atlanta before sleepless nights and bottles of breast milk. To To celebrate, they went out for a big Italian dinner with Mike's mom. Then, driving home, as Mike said, everything flipped upside down. Theresa was in the back seat when she got a strange email from an adoption company they'd worked with. She didn't think anything of it, but when she read it aloud to Mike, he said it made the hair on the back of his neck stand up. He knew something was off. Ever since they'd first connected with Tara Lee, Mike had been suppressing his true feelings about her.

When Theresa was talking about Tara, our first conversation with her, God, I hope she hears this. I hate her voice. Her voice was like nails on a chalkboard for me. From the very beginning, I had this spidey sense that something was not right with her.

Theresa hurried down to the basement where the nursery was, exchanged some alarming text messages, and then called adoption attorney Tanya Corrado in Detroit.

She said, Theresa, you cannot tell anyone this. You cannot tell anyone. Tara is under investigation with the FBI. And I screamed. I screamed like I could hear it in my ears. Oh, my God. I fell to the floor. I started having a panic attack.

Mike ran downstairs and found Theresa on her knees sobbing.

Then my thought is like, who was that woman that we talked to on the phone that claimed to be our birth mom? Who was she? What is going on? I'm like, Is there a baby? It was almost like finding out that my mom died. That was my reaction. It felt like a death. Mike, for the first time in our relationship and marriage, I don't think he quite knew what to do, except he just took control of the conversation and started talking to Tanya. And I just remember Mike saying, Where is our money? I remember him saying, at the end of the conversation, what should we do? What should we do? And Tanya saying, Get in your car and drive up here. Just get in your car.

We didn't know what to believe, what was true.

When morning came, the Mathines packed their car with everything their baby could possibly need, plus golf clubs and took the 75 North to Detroit, hoping beyond hope that whatever Tara Lee did, Stephanie was who she said she was, and Baby S would become their son. It was somewhere around Cincinnati in Ohio, at 70 miles per hour, that Teresa suddenly panicked. In all the chaos to get information from Tara Lee, she realized that they never received any proof of Stephanie's pregnancy. No photos of her, no ultrasound of the baby, no proof of life. And that was agonizing enough. But there was something else. They weren't the only couple Tara Lee collected money from and matched with Stephanie and her son. There was another set of parents who thought the baby boy would be theirs. Next time on Baby Broker, we'll meet the other couple.

This is where it gets even more wild, and we're just staring at each other like, There's no way this is real.

You feel like she's trying to get you to give an answer right there in the driveway. Exactly. She was.

Oh, absolutely.

This season on Baby Broker.

She looks up and she says, Do you want to adopt another baby? I remember at that moment thinking, This is like a machine for her.

I get answers from someone who saw inside Tara Lee's scam and built an army against her.

By the third night, we had nine families. After a month, we had 20 families. Then a little bit after that, we were up to 100 families.

We all became investigators. A local investigative reporter goes sniffing into Tara Lee's business. Federal prosecutors are asking a judge to issue an arrest warrant for Tara Lee after seeing one of our recent stories, and now Lee could be locked up because of our video.

I mean, I've covered horrible crimes. I've covered public corruption. I've covered a lot of awful things, and this is still in its own category.

The FBI tells me how they pursued Tara Lee.

She's taking adoptive parents to the point that they're remodeling their houses to create nurseries. People are raising money through church fundraisers.

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