Transcript of Felicia Barden New

A Mississippi fireman is shot to death in his own home.

They discovered a deceased male in the bathroom floor.

The only people that were at the residence were the victim and the two suspects.

As the investigation unfolds, detectives must assess conflicting narratives.

She said she shot him.

Okay.

But she didn't tell you what led up to that.

It was suspected that it could have been a domestic type situation.

Saw there's a shelf with a knife that seemed to be really out of place, and wires were coming out of the ceiling.

When a missing clue is discovered, the truth behind the shooting starts to surface.

Would your fingerprints be on there?

Maybe.

He wanted somebody that could work together and they'd be happy, but that's not what he got.

There was search results for how to get away with murder.

I've never had a defendant scare me. She scares me.

I said, she's a tiger and you gonna be the prey.

November 12th, 2019. It's 7:30 AM in Olive Branch, Mississippi, when the sheriff's office receives a cryptic 911 call.

Somebody's been shot. No. You don't know what happened? I just got home. I heard somebody scream.

The caller did not give us their name or provide any other additional information. They're upset. They're frantic. They just want to report the call, and they don't give a lot of detail.

Responders raced to the address, a sprawling home in an upscale neighborhood.

The first officers who arrived at the scene talked to a young male named Joshua. He indicates that he is the person that called 911 and said someone was shot at this particular residence.

Joshua lived with his mother, Felicia Barton, and in the home with Willie Barton.

I got there, didn't know exactly what was going on. My mom's very frantic, walking room to room, room to room. I just had the simple question of, where is Willie? And then honestly, it was all adrenaline-filled. So whatever I told the police is just whatever I know that happened, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, dead body, blood, gun, shot. It was horrible.

His first thing out of his mouth was, my mom shot Willie in self-defense. He's crying a little bit. They get him secured. They get him in the back of a patrol car. They make entry into the house, and that's where they find Felicia Barden.

She was crying. She was acting frantic. And she did have a gash on her forehead that was bleeding. The officers asked if she's okay. She said she didn't know.

I have no idea what happened. It was blood on her face, and I was so out of it myself, I didn't really notice, you know what I'm saying, all the injuries.

They bring her out and secure her in the back of a patrol car. And they cleared the house, and that's where they discovered a deceased male in the bathroom floor. The victim was identified as Willie Barden, the husband of Felicia Barden.

The body was turned over, and it was determined that he had suffered a gunshot wound to the chest.

At this point, it looked like a domestic violence situation. We have someone who was murdered. And a female with injuries. We don't know anything else.

Willie James Barden was born on December 29, 1963, to a large and loving family.

There were 8 male children born and 6 female children born to my mom and dad. Yeah, so a total of 14 kids.

We grew up in Forest City, Arkansas, um, a little small town about an hour away from Memphis.

My mom and dad took care of all 14 of us, you know, good Christmas, good Thanksgiving, good holidays, you know. You really— we had a good upbringing.

With so many siblings, Willie had to find ways to stand out.

He wasn't one of the ones that got in trouble. I'll put it that way. He stayed out of trouble. He enjoyed school.

Early on, he had a vision problem that wasn't recognized. And once that was discovered and he got glasses, then he started to excel.

Once he started excelling and doing great in school, he was getting our parents' recognition for doing well.

After high school, Willie attended the University of Central Arkansas, but quickly realized it wasn't the right path for him. So instead, he dropped out and began working for a cookware company.

He was a team leader there, and I think that's where he met his wife, Cassandra. He loved her really hard, so like any relationship that he was in, He gave it his all. He would like candles, he would cook flowers, all that. So he, he— the leaving freedom wasn't nice. She had an older daughter that he was raising too. He treated her just like she was his daughter.

That's one of the things that I think Willie wanted for his life was to have a family like his mom and dad had.

Willie got his wish, having 2 more children with Cassandra over the next several years.

His wife worked at night, so he'd come home, he would cook, he would cook for everybody and have her food in the microwave for she could eat when she get off, stuff like that. So, yeah, he was an amazing dad, amazing husband from what I saw.

He cooked more than my husband did. He always cooked. He loved to cook and work and clean. He did it all.

He might have been a world-class father, but Willie still longed for a career he was passionate about. In the early 2000s, he decided to try being a firefighter.

He wanted to have a career, and he also wanted to help people. When he took the fireman test and stuff and he got on, he was so excited. He was one of the older guys on the fire department.

He didn't mind hard work. He worked hard, you know, all his life in every way.

Willie's newfound success came at a cost, however. His marriage to Cassandra ended in divorce, and he found himself splitting time between the firehouse and his children.

We grew up with both our parents, And that's what he wanted to do as well. But it just didn't work out like that. He tried to make it work. They got back together. But they couldn't make it work.

In 2005, Willie got a second chance at love with a bright single mother named Felicia Price.

Walmart was his favorite store to go to. I know he used to see her all the time, and then one day I guess he got the courage to say something to her.

From my understanding, the way they said they met, he gave her his number in Walmart, and she waited a year before she called him.

My mom is a hard person to talk to, but it was amazing how, you know, his consistency worked, going, um, and talking to her and being very polite to her. Yeah, they got together. They loved watching movies. They hung out like best friends. They were, like, pretty close in that regard.

My brother, he likes strong women. She portrayed being a strong woman.

She's very straightforward, no nonsense, no silly business.

She's already divorced once, but she's been successful throughout her life. She went through college. She's got a master's degree. She had a good job with the IRS down here.

My mom and Willie took the time and They— I would say about 6 years till they, like, officially moved in together.

In 2012, after 7 years together, the couple finally decided to tie the knot.

They told us they were going to Jamaica to get married.

They didn't invite anybody. They just went off and they got married and they came back. They seemed very happy.

With 2 children each from previous relationships, Willie and Felicia bought a large home in Olive Branch to accommodate their blended family.

He wanted to be married and wanted to settle down and, you know, just raise his children. He just wanted a happy life.

It appeared Willie and Felicia had built the perfect life together. Now he's lying dead on the bathroom floor of their dream home.

At the scene that day, Joshua initially tells the deputies where the gun is located in a drawer under the kitchen sink. That is collected.

Unlike Joshua, Felicia was not open to talking.

She is in the back of a patrol car. She's kind of slumped down. I try to approach and talk to her, but she's not really responding very well.

After paramedics treat Felicia's head injury, she and her son Joshua are taken to the station for questioning. Investigators give Felicia an opportunity to tell her story, but she stays silent.

A lot of people, when they get into a situation like this, they shut down, and that's exactly what she did. She wouldn't tell me anything about her head, but the wound to her forehead seemed at the time to be self-inflicted to me because it was perfectly straight up and down, right in the center. I've seen people hit themselves in the head before, and it leaves that perfect line. That was the first thing that I had, that something wasn't really quite right.

Coming up, investigators find signs of a troubled marriage and volatile temper.

He did initially describe her as kind of a domineering personality.

And a witness comes under fire.

This is your chance to tell the whole truth, even if it's something you did that you shouldn't have done. All right.

DeSoto County Sheriff's deputies are questioning Felicia Barden and her 23-year-old son Joshua about the fatal shooting of her husband Willie.

You would assume that a domestic violence situation occurred based on the evidence, but it doesn't mean it necessarily did happen. At this point, we don't know why he was shot.

I don't take anything at face value. When you first hear it because everything kind of runs the gamut. So I listen to everything before I can make a determination of anything.

So far, Felicia has refused to say anything, but Joshua seems more than willing to talk.

I could tell that he really wanted to tell the story that he had, so I got him back to the office pretty quickly to interview him. All right, from what I understand, you weren't on the scene, all right? Your mom called you, so that kind of makes you a witness. But I'm gonna read you your Miranda rights anyway just so you understand where we are. Do you want me to read these to you, or are you capable of reading them yourself? You need to calm down, take a breath.

I have just anxiety. I'm gonna calm down as much as I can.

What happened today?

I was at work. I received a call. I can't tell me too many details because I was panicking. All I know is that she said he was shot.

Do you know about what time she called?

7-something. I know, 'cause I was supposed to be off work. I get a call from my mom. She said it was a horrible emergency, and I was, like, immediately hung up. I just felt very adrenaline-filled and had to get there for the family. I was driving extra fast. In the moment, I didn't care if I get pulled over.

What'd she tell you happened once you got there?

She didn't say nothing. She was just frantic.

She never told you anything?

She said she shot him.

Okay.

But she didn't tell you what led up to—

Um, she has, like, bleeding and, like—

Where?

On her head. And, like, she was kind of crunched. So I felt like it was, like, a fight that happened, maybe.

He said his mom shot Willie, his stepfather, in self-defense.

Like, well, it looks like self-defense. I wasn't there, but at the same time, in that moment, yeah, I was terrified. I don't know what happened. So just seeing the blood on her, I was scared for my mom, period.

When investigators ask him about the gun, he is open about why he knew exactly where it was.

I hit the gun in the kitchen. I just didn't want, you know, where did you stick it on the bed? It was on the bed when I came in.

So you moved the gun from the bed to the kitchen?

Yes.

Why would you move the gun?

I didn't want anything. I didn't want anything. I just thought that was the right thing to do. Okay. I mean, that's fine.

The fact that he knew where the gun was and he said he hid the gun also implicates him as a suspect.

Joshua's answers are consistent with his 911 call, but investigators want to compare his story to the evidence at the scene. They didn't have much to go on.

Go on except what Joshua told them. At this point, they only had a dead body, and his mother has an injury, and we don't know how that occurred.

Back at the Barden house, detectives have been conducting a more thorough search, starting with Willie's body.

He was laying face down on the floor. Uh, one arm was out just a little bit, but his, his face was smashed into the floor. Just a little bit of blood was coming out from underneath him. When he does have his underwear on, It does appear that he is about to shower for his job. There were spent shell casings in the bathroom underneath the cabinet. There were sleeping pills scattered all over the floor. We found a razor, an open razor blade. We collected that because we knew she had the wound to her forehead.

While trying to make sense of the scene, investigators search every room of the house.

While they were looking through the house, they noticed that they had cameras all over the house.

There were several security cameras inside and outside the house. Notable, there was one right above the master bedroom door.

I see people put security cameras in their home, but not normally right above the master bedroom door. That was unusual for me. You have to wonder what the security concerns were.

Whatever reason the Bardens had for installing the cameras, their presence could provide detectives with some much-needed answers.

They thought, wow, this is great for us. This is great for our investigation. If we can get that footage, we're going to know exactly what happened. That led them to try to determine where the DVR was in the house.

We did find a location upstairs in the closet where all the wires came into, but the system itself was missing.

It appeared that it was ripped out of the wall.

I saw there's a shelf with a knife that seemed to be really out of place, and wires were coming out of the ceiling.

As far as investigators are concerned, There's only one reason why someone would get rid of the recordings.

It tells us there's possibly evidence that is useful on that system.

Knowing that this is such a critical piece of evidence, the officers were prepared to do whatever it takes to try to locate this.

You'd be surprised the amount of people that throw evidence in garbage cans. And one of the detectives just happened to lift it up to look in, and there's a DVR. Just sitting basically on top of the garbage.

We knew that if we were able to get that information off that DVR, that it would blow the case wide open. We were either going to see evidence of a domestic violence situation or a cold-blooded killer.

After recovering the security system from the Bardens' trash, detectives immediately reconnect to see if Willie Barden's shooting was caught on tape.

That's a critical piece of evidence. We're still not sure that we're going to be able to get it to work. Our concern was that we wouldn't, because at this point in the investigation, all we had was what Joshua told us.

So we had to leave it in the DVR system and go through the software contained on the DVR. Part of that was there was administrative password and it locked it down.

The device is sent to tech specialists to unlock it as investigators consider their next steps.

That led officers to go back to Joshua. They thought, maybe Joshua knows about this. Maybe he can shed some light on why it was ripped out of the wall.

With Felicia still too upset to talk, they get Joshua back in an interrogation room and turn up the heat.

This is your chance to tell the whole— even if it's something you did that you shouldn't have done or something that your mom had you do, this is the time. You don't want me to find out later, okay? Because there's still a whole team of people at that house doing stuff, right? So be honest.

Okay.

Joshua starts by describing what life was like in the Barden household.

When I was 18, I immediately moved out, went to college, but I was just living by myself, so my mom begged me to come to stay with her. Eventually I moved back, and it was not that great.

Joshua did initially describe his mother as He's kind of a domineering personality, can be difficult to be around.

Joshua says he saw Willie and his mother fight a lot, but he never actually saw him hurt her.

I witnessed, like, just yelling, screaming. But I would never, in my presence, let somebody touch my mom.

So no. That's what I'm asking. So you've seen them yelling, yell at each other. That you've never seen before?

Nothing physical, and I don't think he would do anything physical while I was there. My mom was a— she was a yeller. She is just hard to talk, hard to— whenever she wants it one way, it's going to be that way. It's basically how she usually acts, and that's just how it is. They had normal arguments like any other couple, and that's as far as it got in my eyes.

While he never saw any violence, Joshua says his mother did accuse Willie of abuse.

He did say that Felicia, about a week prior to the shooting, told him that Willie was sexually and physically abusing her.

She told me she suspected of him poisoning her food, uh, because she was sleeping out.

She needed to.

Did she tell that he is putting sleeping pills in her food?

Yes.

And if Willie was hurting his mother, that makes sense that he might be protecting her.

And according to Joshua, his mother wasn't Willie's only target.

Joshua also indicated in his interview with officers that he did not get along with his stepfather. He said his stepfather had pointed a gun at him during an altercation. And he also grabbed him by the throat. Joshua said that Nicholas, who is the victim's son, was present when this occurred.

Why did he get so mad? What happened in that moment?

I was asleep and I do not know. He was talking to my mom and he didn't like me standing there. To be honest, he doesn't like my demeanor. Like I'm— he said that I had a thuggish demeanor.

So far, Joshua has stuck to his initial story of how Willie was shot.

I got her to the house. She was pretty hurt, just sitting there in the room.

You called the police?

Yeah, I called the police on my phone.

Did you help move anything?

Like, in what way?

Anything at all?

Did you—

other than the gun, did you pick up, move?

Alter?

Nope.

They proceeded to tell him that they found the DVR in the garbage can in the backyard.

You need to, like, just come clean if you know something, because, you know, we're going to fingerprint it.

Would your fingerprints be on there?

Yeah, baby.

That quickly unraveled to him at his mother's direction, removing it, ripping it out of the wall, and throwing it in the garbage can.

She said, grab that box and throw it away. And I was like, what are you doing? Honest to God.

So you knew at that moment it wasn't right?

No, I promise to God I didn't.

Okay.

Do you have any idea why she would want to throw that box away if it can back up her story?

I have no clue.

Now we know that he has tampered with critical evidence that could possibly tell us exactly what happened.

Suspicions continue to grow when investigators follow up with Willie's son, Nicholas.

They wanted to talk to him specifically about the instance that Joshua had talked to investigators about, claiming that Willie had held a gun to his head.

I asked Nicholas about that incident, and his version was basically completely opposite of what Joshua's was.

Nicholas says that Joshua actually had a plate that he was going to throw at Willie, and that's when Willie drew his gun.

Joshua told the story that he was in his room basically minding his own business, and Willie comes in with a gun. He did not, according to Nicholas, didn't point it at him, but basically told him, you're not going to attack me in my own home.

Nick said that in the home was chaos all the time. It was just chaos. Ass all the time. He just got so tired of that, he had to leave. He said he couldn't take it.

That was a key piece that Joshua left out of that story. And why would he do that?

Coming up, a background check catches detectives' attention.

They said she is really domineering and difficult, and they eventually suspended her.

And when police finally crack the DVR The video evidence is chilling.

We knew that that was the piece of the puzzle that was going to put everything together.

After poking holes in Joshua's initial account, investigators question everything he's told them about Willie Barden's murder.

He did give basically an alibi why he wouldn't have been involved, that he was at work at Circle K. So myself and another detective We went to the Circle K to try to see if they would let us look at their security footage.

They have video footage of him leaving the gas station after he received the call from his mother, corroborating what he said to police initially. So we knew he was at work at the time of the murder.

Despite their suspicions, it's clear Joshua couldn't have been the one who pulled the trigger.

So now that— Now that Joshua has been ruled out as a suspect, we're focusing in on Felicia. Was it a domestic violence situation? Or did Felicia just murder Willie?

Sometimes people that kill somebody in self-defense, they will lie about some of the smaller stuff involved, but they're not going to lie about, I was basically brutally attacked enough that I had to kill somebody to save my own life. They want you to know everything that happened. So it's pretty unusual for somebody to want to claim self-defense but then try to destroy all the evidence that would help your claim.

While specialists work on cracking the security camera footage, detectives check police records for any history of domestic violence.

What we found out with Felicia and Willie was, I mean, all the way back in 2009, we were finding police reports from Memphis where they were calling 911 on each other.

Although an arrest was never made, investigators know from experience that situations like this often escalate.

Typically, if somebody's involved in a domestic violence relationship, it happens more, more than once. When speaking with Felicia's family members, none of them seem to be aware of any issues going on between the couple except Roland, who is Felicia's brother.

Right before the homicide, Felicia had told him that Willie was trying to poison her, put stuff in her food to kill her, which was basically what Joshua described in the beginning.

Being concerned for his sister, Roland did contact Willie and asked him about the allegations. Willie denied it. He said, there's nothing going on. We'll work this out. And Roland seemed to be satisfied with that answer.

When investigators talked to the couple's friends and co-workers, however, they say Felicia was the one prone to violence.

We spoke to her work. They said she is a difficult woman to get along with, really domineering and difficult And they eventually suspended her.

However, we could not find one person anywhere to say anything negative about Willie Barden. We spoke with both of his bosses who couldn't say nicer things about him. He was a great employee. He was always on time. He never missed work. He was pleasant. He got along with everybody.

Everybody who knew him knew he was an amazing guy, funny guy. I can't even remember him getting mad.

According to Willie's loved ones, Felicia was a source of conflict long before they were married.

Willie wanted somebody that could work together and have something and, uh, be happy, but that's not what he got. He got somebody that wanted to control him and manipulate him and separate him from his family, including his children.

She had an air about herself that she felt like she might be better than most people. She could be a little rude and crude at times. She couldn't admit when she knew she was wrong, you know, at all. After I had met her, he called me and said, "DeBoine," he said, "What do you think about me marrying Felicia?" Really? I said, "My first impression is not a good impression." I said, "I think she's a tiger, and you gonna be the prey." They say things only got worse after Joshua moved in.

Willie was like a clean, very clean person, organized. But from my understanding, Josh wouldn't clean or do anything.

My brother didn't want to smoke weed in the house. He wouldn't abide by his rules. They didn't really have a good relationship at all.

It was a big kind of, you know, argument argumentative thing over anything. But at the same time, you know, people have emotions. I understand why he would be upset because we would— we smelled like marijuana all the time. And that's probably the thing that ticked him.

One of his coworkers at the fire department that he worked at, he had told him that somebody's got to leave the house, either him or Joshua.

And talking with Willie's other family members, They indicated that he recently, within weeks prior to the murder, told them that he was going to divorce Felicia.

And it seems Felicia knew Willie was planning to leave her as well.

Willie's brother did tell us that Willie had told Felicia that he planned on divorcing her.

You know, that certainly could be a motive for murder. Was it just that? If she can't have him, nobody can.

Less than 24 hours into their investigation, Mississippi detectives are questioning everything they've been told about Willie Barden's death. And the one person who could clear things up still refuses to talk.

Investigators met with Felicia to see if she wanted to give a statement. She exercised her right to remain silent and asked for a lawyer.

Detectives' only chance of finding out what really happened is locked away on a security camera recording.

We had a little trouble with this particular system because we couldn't remove it from the DVR to extract the data from. So we had to leave it in the DVR. System and go through the software contained on the DVR. Fortunately, in this case, we were able to bypass the administrative password, and from there we were able to view the video and export the video.

Although the cameras do not cover the bathroom where the shooting took place, they do give investigators an extensive view of the rest of the house.

The camera right above the the master bedroom door showed the stairway off the hallway and the living area. There was one security camera in the kitchen. It showed the entire kitchen and another little hallway. There was a security camera that showed another back part of the house. They had security cameras everywhere.

From the video footage, you can tell that the day before was like any other day. You see that Willie and— and Felicia actually hug at one point.

She hugs him back like you would expect a husband and wife. There's no— doesn't appear to be any animosity or fights between them. He goes into the bedroom, and that's the last time you ever see Willie.

On the morning of the shooting, Felicia appears on camera bright and early around 6:45 AM.

You can see her come from the master bedroom, walk down the hall, go left out the door to the garage. When she comes back into the house, she's walking down the hall with a gun in her hand.

She has no concerns or issues. She just kind of strolls into the garage, comes out, and just kind of a slow walk with a gun in her hand. Felicia looks like a psychopath, to be honest with you. I mean, she looks like she is not bothered at all by what she is about to do.

She didn't have a care in the world. She wasn't frightened. She wasn't scared. She wasn't crying.

Investigators can only speculate about what happened next.

It looked like Willie was getting ready for work as he normally did. He was in the bathroom about to take a shower. We know that the gunshot was close range, so she went into that bathroom where he had no escape, no way to get out, and shot him in cold blood.

A little while later, Felicia Barden comes out of the master bedroom with a firearm and appears to go into the living room and possibly place it under a couch cushion.

She then proceeds to go to the master bedroom for approximately 3 minutes. Then she comes back out to the living area. Under that same couch cushion, she retrieves something. You can't You can't see it, but presumably it's the gun that she just hid. Then you see her run up the stairs, presumably to unplug the DVR or get rid of it, and the video goes black.

The video also confirms Felicia's wounds had to be self-inflicted.

You can still see her face clear enough that she still does not have any wounds to her face.

It appears to be premeditated because she paved the way for a self-defense claim.

Detectives obtain a warrant for Felicia's cell phone, and its contents further prove her intent to kill her husband.

On Felicia Barden's cell phone, there was search results for how to get away with murder.

We also located a a text message from the night before the murder where she had saved it as a draft, and it appeared to be a suicide text.

That would imply that this was not a spur-of-the-moment crime, that it was maybe premeditated, because she had to think, put some thought into this message.

She was going to do this come hell or high water.

We have suspected that this would be a murder-suicide, and I think that's why she made the error of not turning those cameras off. She changed her mind and realized, I've got to get rid of the video because that's going to implicate her as the murderer.

She started to panic and wanted help. The only person that she had or could think of was her son.

To call him to a murder scene that she committed murder and get him involved reflects the type of person that she is.

I think it just boiled down to narcissism, that I'm gonna be smarter than everybody and I'm gonna get away with this.

Any time you have a case like this that is potentially a domestic violence situation, the jury wants to know. They want to know that it isn't. So it was important in this trial to prove that it wasn't.

Investigators now have all the evidence they need to arrest Felicia Barden for murder. Her son Joshua is also arrested and charged with being an accessory after the fact.

Felicia didn't tell anybody anything, wouldn't speak, even speak to her lawyer.

We did not know what her defense was going to be, so we felt that it was helpful to our case to cinch up some of the holes with Joshua. So we did approach his lawyer and asked if he would be a cooperating witness for the state, and he agreed to do that.

I didn't want to do it, but that was how I got myself free and away from the situation. I would just basically tell the truth, you know what I'm saying? So that's— yeah. Horrible, horrible situation, horrible time.

In June 2021, 2 years after Willie Barden was shot to death, Felicia's trial finally begins.

The main witness for the prosecution was Joshua, since he had most of the information. We also included numerous exhibits. We had Google searches from Felicia. We had the suicide note. The video footage, especially with Felicia coming down the hallway, With the gun, without an injury to her forehead, was the smoking gun, no pun intended, in this case. The jury was on the edge of their seat when they knew that was coming.

Prosecutors paint a picture for the jury of a woman so psychologically disturbed that when her husband said he was leaving her, she snapped.

My goal was to prove to them that this was not a domestic violence situation. She was not a victim, but that her husband wanted a divorce and she was not having that. She was not going to let him divorce her. She was not losing that battle.

She couldn't stand the thought of not being with Willie. I don't think she's the type of person that will let things go. And when he couldn't put up with her or her son any longer, she determined that if I can't have you, nobody's going to. I'm sure the divorce would be absolutely shameful to her. You know, she likes to put that show on for everybody. She's already divorced once, so to have a second divorce would probably be too much for her.

This woman is very calculating. She wanted Willie to look like the bad person in this situation. She wanted to look like the good person. She wanted to be remembered as a victim. I've never had a defendant scare me. She scares me.

Despite the mountain of evidence against her, Felicia still refuses to set the record straight.

Felicia did not speak during the trial, nor did she take the stand. So in essence, there was no defense. Her attorney's hands were tied because she would not speak to her attorney.

The jury takes The jury takes little time to reach a verdict.

Felicia Wharton was found guilty of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without parole.

He gave her everything. Like, everything she asked for, he gave it to her. She could never be satisfied. And it's kind of befitting that she's in prison. She has control of nothing now, you know. Trying to control someone, now she's being controlled.

The whole situation is horrible. I still love my mom always. I know she loves me. Like, once you take the sadness out of it, the emotions out of it, she just taught me what you're supposed to do in certain situations, even though you hate it. It's just a lot of emotions.

Willie was a good man, gone too soon. He loved everybody. He was nice to everybody. Everybody loved him.

During the holidays or any time we share together, we, you know, we send out a prayer for them. And we know, you know, Willie watching over us.

I miss him. I love him. I love his children. And I want them to be okay. I know that You know, there's— time helps, but it does not heal.

People choose to walk with God, or they choose to walk with Satan. After her choice is made, there was no redemption for her.