Transcript of #248 Jon Delaney - Who's Protecting Jeffrey Epstein's Secrets?

John Delaney.

Sean.

Real news, no bullshit.

Yeah, man.

Dude, I fucking love your page.

I appreciate it.

I don't know how I found it. How long have you guys been around?

We started up in 2021, right before the Biden administration came in. I got into it. I tell you, you want me to get it right into it?

Yeah, I was going to say- We'll get into why you started it. But I think I found you... I had to be right when it first came out because I was going to say, I found you during COVID. I think I found you during COVID. Really? Yeah, because I was looking... Embarrassingly, I've bought off on the whole narrative for about the first two months. Okay. I was out there spraying the packages with Lysol and doing all that. Then I talked to some buddies of mine that were down in Florida, some fellow Seals. We did a Zoom call, and they started So I didn't have any cable TV. I still don't because I've always thought, well, not always, but I thought the news is completely full of shit for several years now. But anyways, so I never... We just don't have cable because I'm like, It's fucking worthless. But we did have air TV. So when COVID came out, I had air TV, but the only news station we got was ABC. You know what that was? Yeah. You know what that was? We're all going to die. Everybody in Italy is dead. The hospital beds are completely-COVID death tracker number.

Then I talked to my buddies and I'm like, I think I may be off on this. Anyway, so I started looking for different sources on social, and yours must have popped up. Dude, I love what you guys are doing. I appreciate it. It just seems like straight facts, no spin, no opinions, no analysis. Just this is what's happening, and that's it. Here's what this guy's saying.

Here's what that guy's saying. Yeah. Figure it out.

I love it, man. For anybody listening, real news, no bullshit on Instagram is where I follow you. But are you guys on X and everything else?

We're on X. X is full of a bunch of bots, all that shit. So we're geared away from it. I also feel like X is a little bit too loud. There's too much shit on there. We're going to jump back on it because I feel like I haven't found Anyone on X that's just keeping it real. But just that. And then we have a website. That's pretty much it. Right on. Instagram's your thing.

Let me give you an introduction here.

Okay, man.

John Delaney, founder of Real News No Bullshit, a platform dedicated to delivering unfiltered news on global events. Self-made entrepreneur who started young, turning ventures like selling fake IDs in high school and other hustles into life lessons. An old soul who grew up fascinated by the news while your peers were into cartoons. A truth seeker who transformed a personal Instagram account into a news page, now employing others and focusing on real stories amid media noise. Not a decorated veteran or official, but a man with scars from life's mistakes, exploring faith through daily Bible reading and committed to staying on a path guided by a higher purpose. How'show was that?

It was good.

Right on. All right, John. A couple of things to get through before we get started.

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Vigilance League, Gummy Bears.

Yeah, man.

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Really? Okay, man. Well, I have a gift for you, Sean.

Dude, I love gifts.

It's an interesting story before I give this to you. I told you, I'm trying to figure out what I believe in right now.

Really? What do you mean by that?

I don't know. I grew up Catholic, but I just…

You're talking like God, Jesus, what's it all about?

I haven't figured it out, but I'm trying to. A good friend of mine that you could envision him. He's like the Dan Blazerian of my friends. Told me recently, his name's Dom, that he's reading the Bible every day. That shocked me because this is not the guy I would expect to be reading the Bible. I said, Shit, if he's reading the Bible, then what the hell am I doing with my life? I recently picked up a Bible, and I'm reading a page a day. Good for you, man. My goal is I want to go after the Bible. I want to read everything. I don't know. But I don't I'm subscribed to the idea that we're just all here because of a big explosion. There's got to be something. There's some creator. I want to find something that I believe in. But with that being said, I know you're a man of faith, so I have this gift for you. It's a piece of American history. That is a Bible that was pulled out of a burning church during the Civil War in 1864.

Pulled out of a church during the Civil War in 1864.

Burning church. The story behind that Bible goes is that in 1864, there was a church in Jacksonville, Florida. At the time, a bunch of Union soldiers were sent up from South Carolina to go to Jacksonville and to basically get control of Jacksonville. They called the town at the time was a Copperhead town, which means there were rebel sympathizers. Their job was to go in there and basically get everything under control. The church got burned down. The interesting thing is nobody knows who burned the church. They both blame each other. You got the rebel sympathizer said the Union soldiers did it, the Union soldiers said the rebel sympathizers did it. But the reality is the church burned. For what I think we're going to talk about today, it fits well because I think both sides are blaming each other for everything.

That sounds familiar, doesn't it?

It does. I was going to get you an antique gun or something. I said, Sean has too many guns. And I know you're a man of faith, and hopefully that should be in a museum, I think. Dude, this is...

Thank you, man. I appreciate it.

This is awesome.

So you're into it. You're reading a page a day. How long are you ?

I'll be honest with you, I was slacking a little bit. I finished, shit, I think I'm maybe 25 pages in, but there were a couple of days I didn't get to it, and I was making excuses for myself. And then somebody told me, You can listen to it on audio.

Yeah.

So now there's no excuse. I go through 2-3 chapters a day. I restarted because I didn't know there's a difference between is it NVE or Nvd?

I'm no expert, man. There's different forms. I know there's a lot of different versions.

There's different versions of the Bible, and you have to understand, I'm starting this, I don't know shit. I'm reading some King James version where they talk very eloquently. It's hard for me to, What does this work? What does it mean? Give it to me in a more digestible-Dude, I got something for you.

Hold on. All right. I'm not ashamed. I'm not ashamed to say that, Dude, I don't understand the Bible. I don't either. It doesn't sing. I'll read a page five times in a row, and I'm like, I have no idea what means. I have to have somebody to explain it. This book was given to me. I've sent this to anybody who's a really good friend of mine who is trying to trying to figure it all out. Here, this is called the Jesus Calling, and it's only about what Jesus said. You read one little less than a paragraph in the morning when you I like to read it before I go to bed. It's just, give it a shot. It's not a big lift. It makes sense. It's not hard to understand if a dummy like me can get it. It There's no difference there, man. Just see how it makes you feel.

Okay.

Yeah, I appreciate it. Just see how it makes you feel. It makes me feel really good. A lot of times when I read it, I feel like it's fucking talking to me. Really? Yeah. It's a direct reflection of what I just went through in the day. That's why I like to read it at night before I go to bed. But yeah, very plain terms, easy to understand, low lift.

I'll give it a shot.

Yeah, just see how it makes you feel. Dude, I'm happy for you. That's awesome.

It's something different, and I hope I can figure something out. We're all on this path.

Just lean in, man. Try it. Lean in. All right. I got a Patreon account. It's a subscription account. It's quite the community. They've been with us here since the beginning, and really, they're the reason that I get to sit here with you today. One of the things we do is we offer them the opportunity to ask each and every guest a question. This is from Kirk Power's. From your experience in analyzing different media sources and their content over the last five years, what percentage of the modern-day media output resembles propaganda instead of factual news coverage?

Was that Kirk? That was a packed question. Two ways I want to go about this. If we look at, let's look at international media. A lot of them are either state-controlled, state-affiliated, state-owned, state-funded. So You would naturally assume that those outlets have some agenda or narrative that they're pushing that would push what someone might define as propaganda. But the thing that's interesting is, how do you define propaganda? Very interesting because I went to Ukraine, and I did a documentary about the war in Ukraine, and I wanted to talk to both sides, Russians and Ukrainians. But at the time, there were a lot of Russians, a lot of Americans in Russia that were getting arrested, journalists, so it makes it hard for me to go to Russia. But we did some remote interviews, and one of the interviews we did was with a doctor who worked for the Wagner Group. This is the first time, and it ties together to what he was asking, this is the first time I ever got my dose of, holy shit, this is what propaganda looks like. He said, Just come to Moscow. Instead of doing this virtual bullshit interview because it's hard to hear you, just come to Moscow after Ukraine.

I said, The fuck? We're not going to Russia. You guys are locking up journalists left and right and calling them spies. His response, I thought he... I was so shocked. He said, What are you talking about? What do you mean, what am I talking about? He's like, We're not locking up American journalists. I said, It's all over the news. What are you talking about? We've arrested two, and they were spies. Haven't you seen all the stories? They caught them red-handed, and there's videos, and this and that. I'm like, What the hell is this guy? I know He was accused of an accusation that they were spies, but what are you talking about? Yeah, our media, our news, they've shown all this and that. He said, and this still fucks with me to this day, he said, I'm more concerned for you. It's when you go home. And I said, What do you mean by that? He's like, Don't you see what they're doing to you guys and your people? They're arresting. At the time, President Trump was being... He had all that, criminal cases against him. So they said, Look what they're doing to your politicians.

Look what they're doing to... I believe at the time, was it Matt Taibi that was getting audited by the IRS? And it was very questionable how he got the it, or they were looking for him or whatever. So all these things. And this guy is throwing me all this information, and I'm like, Wow, you live in a totally different reality. And it made me, after talking with him for so long, it made me start to question, Am I being lied to? Because the propaganda is so good. So going back to his question, I would say, What's your definition of propaganda?

What's your definition of propaganda?

Just things that are outright bullshit that they're pushing. For one example, when the United States carried out some strikes in Yemen, I believe it was when Trump came into office a couple of months in, there was accounts on X posting AI-generated images of them shooting down an F-35 that was the size of straight up bullshit. I mean, they're generated images, and they're pushing this out, and they've got bots amping it up. I think something like that is easily definable as propaganda because it's clearly not true, and they're pushing it to create some a narrative. But it's hard because I absorb a lot of news.

I would say propaganda is any form of manipulation of the truth, to include lying. And that also includes with holding truth. So all the nuanced shit that we see in the media today, and they paint it out to one side. And yes, there are facts involved in what they're reporting. But however, there are a lot of facts that they leave out that paint an entirely different picture. And that's for both sides. That's for the entire world.

Right. And that's the problem. I look at journalism as you're painting a picture to somebody, and Depending on where you get that picture from, it might be a little heavier on the red paint or the blue paint, or it might not even have that color. And so it's hard to really narrow down how much of it is bullshit and how much of it isn't because everybody has a different story. Right now, for example, I was just talking to Jeff about this. We had an article the other day about Secretary Hegset is talking about giving Ukraine new firepower, quote-unquote firepower. The big talk right now is that we might be giving them Tomahawks. Don't know how much you've been following that, but prior when Biden was in office, they were saying, If you give medium-range missiles, not even Tomahawks, that could lead us down to the path of nuclear war. We're now at Tomahawks, possibly. Our media right now is talking about is that there's the possibility we might be doing it. But what's really interesting, and they're saying they would do it because Putin's refusing to stop the war. But what I like to do is, and I want to say, Well, what's Russia saying?

And anybody can do this, and I encourage everybody to, because you should be open to everything. And Russia is painting this narrative right now, whether true or not. I don't want to give my direct opinion on it, but that Trump has switched on Russia and is now going towards Ukraine. But the reason why is because, and it's very convincing that they're telling their people, is the US doesn't want the war to end because the military-industrial complex is making shitloads of money off the war in Ukraine. So that's why Trump has flipped and is willing to escalate the war and continue it to go on. I was telling just some people, Americans, about this, and they said, It sounds believable. And that's what they're telling their people. So the thing is, you're going to get a different side of everything, no matter where you look, and no one's ever really going to give you the full picture. It's hard to zero in on what's true and what's not. You might say one thing, and the guy behind you has a different story.

Oh, yeah. I'm very familiar with it. It's tough. I mean, so if you had to put a, you know what I mean, a percentage, what percentage of the media do you think is full-out propaganda?

It's hard to give a percentage.

Would you say it's the overwhelming amount?

Yeah, it is because everybody has a different interest. Everybody has a different position. I mean, to be honest with you, naturally, I'm an American citizen. I would naturally have interests that I would want my country to do well because I live here. I would be lying to you if I said that I'm not somewhat pro-American in a way.

Yeah. Right. Well, that's good to hear.

Yeah, but You know what I mean? Take somebody else, maybe a Russian journalist or a Chinese journalist, an Iranian journalist, an Israeli journalist. They all have an invested interest to make sure you have a family. Things have to go well for you. And that's the hard part, is trying to figure out what's true and what's not. I take a different approach. I don't think I should be telling you what the truth is. I think I should just give it to you. Say, Here's everything. Here's the entire picture.

Here's all the narratives.

Here's all the color. Now, what do you believe? And that's what I think is lacking in the media. What I do, Sean, I'm not a genius. I was the dumbest kid in my class growing up. 1. 7 GPA, struggling through high school. I was an idiot in middle school. I've only read one book in my entire life. Are you serious? One book. What was it? The Art of Not Giving a Fuck.

Well, now you're reading the Bible.

That, too. Listening to it. It's not hard to do this. It's for some reason, I think a lot of people feel like they have to give their opinion or their stance. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I'm an expert, but I'm a good listener.

What was the motivation that got you to start real news, no bullshit.

It's a couple of things. I started posting the news. I had an Instagram at the time. They call it a... It's funny. There's Instagrams, and then there's finstas. Have you heard of that? No. A finsta is what they call... It's like a fun Instagram. You're a little more raw, I guess, with your friends. I started posting to my friends the news because I recognized that none of them were paying attention to what was going on in the world. They were clueless. I started just saying, Hey, guys, you should be paying attention to this. This is crazy. Look at this. Look at that. And that started building, and friends started referring friends. I had more friends start following me because they were interested in the news, and they wanted it in a digestible Festival, easy to read. Here's what's happening. Here's what this guy said, and here's what that guy said. And it slowly started building on my personal Instagram. And over time, it became more than just friends joining me. It was friends plus now their parents. I'm like, Okay, should I got something? But what did it for me, and I want to be clear, I'm not giving an opinion about what happened this day, but the day January sixth happened, I cried because I saw that, like, Fuck, dude, we're so divided.

I get emotional. It's sad, but I was like, What the fuck is going on? Everybody's so divided. Whether you're left or you're right, I just said, Dude, I can't. What do I do? So I said, I'm going to make an Instagram account. I'm going to make this bigger. And I was mad. What angered me the most, it wasn't just about people going in or whatever. People say it was peaceful. Some people say it wasn't. I'm not here to debate that with anybody. But what I am here to tell you is that The division that was amplified that day from both sides was sickening. I said, We've got to get back to a place where people can start treating Americans like Americans again. We're far from that, dude. We're super far from that. Every day, I think it's getting worse. So After January sixth, when I saw all that, and then I saw, like I saw, social media, Republicans are blaming Democrats, and Democrats are screaming at Republicans, and the media is spinning it their ways. You turn on CNN, and they've got their view. In MSNBC, they're paying it like this is insane. And then you've got Fox News painting in a different way, and you've got people people saying different things and getting mad and screaming and yelling.

And I said, What the fuck is going on? What are we doing? So that was the day I was like, We need to find a way to get people informed, and we need to find a way to maybe try to get people to see both sides because I think the echo chambers were too loud. I mean, it's true. I want to be clear. Some people in my listeners will be like, He's saying that January sixth was an awful thing, or, He's not talking about the FBI agents. You're not understanding what I'm saying. You're not on my level. I've never discussed that on here. But my thing is this, and I want to be clear.

I'm not going there because that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

You're getting tied up in all the noise. I'm I'm talking to you right now as an American, not as a Democrat, not as a Republican. I'm talking to you about somebody that lives here. That was a shitty day. It's one example of just-It's sad. It is. It's sad.

It's sad. It's sad. You started this because of January sixth, basically.

It wasn't specifically January sixth, because I was into it before. I was posting the news because I realized my friends weren't paying attention to what was going on in the world. But what pushed me to then say, Okay, I'm taking this to the next level. Instead of just posting this to my friends, I'm going to try to reach a bigger audience. I was always into this. But what pushed me to then say, I need to get out there. I need to... This can't be just some little private thing that my friends get to read. Because I can't change a couple of hundred people, right? What's that going to do? I need to try to get a little louder. So I still remember the day I started it, man. I was pouring rain. I was in a gas station, and I said, Fuck it. I'm going to make a news account. And I'm sitting there and signing up the account. Ask me and says, What are you going to name this thing? What's the username going to be? And it was, didn't even think about it. Real news, no bullshit.

Nice.

And that was it. And then it It's crazy where it's gone. I still sit every day. I'm like, This is not real.

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But I think there's a huge craving in this country right now for just the news. And what I'm doing is not crazy. I'm not revolutionary. I'm just literally telling you, this is the picture. Here's some color on the red. Here's some color on the blue. Figure it out. I'm not here to give you the answer. A lot of people in this-I think what you're saying, and I agree, I think I know what you're saying.

Basically, what you're saying is you are not telling people how to think or what to think. You are presenting them with whatever's out in the ecosystem at the time. You don't put a spin on it. This is what's happened. This is who's saying it. You make your own damn mind up. That's what I try to do here.

It's interesting because a lot of people aren't used to that.

They have to be told how to think.

I think there's- Have to be spoon-fed information. Yeah.

I think that... I think we've lost a major I think we've lost the majority of the older generations. I don't think those are salvageable.

What do you mean by that?

I think what I mean by that... What I mean by that is my mind right now is, how do we salvage it? You're trying to salvage it through real news, no bullshit. I'm trying to salvage it through a couple of different ways, talking to both sides, not telling people how to think, letting them digest the information very much similar to what you're doing. But then taking a look at it from a 30,000-foot view, when you see lots of people who continuously just... They get their information from only one source, only one news station, that typically is the baby boomer generation. Their world has been flipped upside down. They don't know what to think. They are-Brainwashed. Insalvageable, brainwashed voters. That's what that is. That are incapable of-absorbing another view. Exactly. Exactly.

That's why I tell people, and I hope you don't mind if I say this, if you're listening to this and you lean left or right or middle, or you watch, let's say you watch CNN, or you watch Fox News, or you watch MSNBC because that's what you like and that's what you believe. Great. Good for you. Do me a favor. Take 30 minutes out of your day and go watch something completely counter-opposite to that. Why? Because you need to challenge your thoughts. If you get stuck in an echo chamber Then you're basically being herded like sheep, right? I have friends that lean left and right. I tell them all the time, go listen. I have a very liberal friend. She can't stand. I could just pull somebody younger, though. I said, go listen to Benny Johnson for 30 minutes. I could never do that. Do it. Make sure you believe what you believe. I have another friend, super conservative. Go listen to those girls on MSNBC. Dude, I can't do it. Why? Just prove yourself that you're right. Prove that what you believe is what you believe. And a lot of people need to do that.

You need to be diversifying your news sources. Because there's too much, unfortunately, there's too much noise in it today. With this rise of independent media, and we'll get into this, there's a lot of this masquerading as journalists. And you've got to now get out there and pick a handful of the ones you like and a handful of the ones you don't agree with, because you'd be surprised when you get stuck in your echo chamber, how much you're not hearing about other shit. People will say all the time, I had no idea about this. Well, maybe it's because you listen to CNN all day or Fox News. They leave things out. I told you, they paint a picture. They might not include that stroke or that line.

But it can be to their credit, and I'm dealing with this right now. It's not just mainstream media. We're just talking about independent. It feels like the algorithm will put you in a cage. It's dangerous.

It's a cage.

You can tell when you're in a cage, when every other post is all the same subject. It's not just the same subject. It's a specific one-sided narrative about that subject. You are encapsulated inside of that algorithm. You cannot navigate your way out.

It's immense control. And it's truly... I don't even think people understand the scope of it. And it could be weaponized very easily. And we get some time, some people will say, You guys only post right-leaning stuff, or, You only post left-leaning stuff. I'm like, No, we post both. It's just your algorithm is cooking it up to you the way that it wants you to see it. Go actually tap and read. It's interesting. You're right. The algorithm has a play in it. There's a lot of things that So how have you set your team up?

How have you set your team up to be real news, no bullshit?

We started with four. We're down to two, plus me. And then I've got some part-time people. But I have two people that write for me that don't agree on anything. Nice. But you know what's special about those two people? While they don't agree on anything politically, one's got blue hair and one's a super right-leaning guy. You know what I mean? The stereotypes for both sides, that's what I have. And while they don't agree on anything, they're friends, and they can work together. So what I do is I write a little bit, but they mostly write, and let's say I have somebody write something, I don't want to name her, but let's say she writes something, I'll say, Hey, now you write this. Go add your flavor to it. And then what I do is I take both I put it together. I have two writers, myself, and then some people when we do our documentaries. But it's a tight ship, dude. I don't need a lot of people. I don't needHow do they find their information? They search for it. They read news like everybody else reads news. Obviously, you can't just rely on AP or Reuters or whatever, but They'll go ahead and start looking into a topic, watching press conferences.

That's something that we do a lot. We're watching a lot of video all day, all these hearings, everything that everybody else is absorbing. And then we're observing then what the left and the right is saying, or if it comes something international, maybe what the US is saying, the prevailing argument, and then we'll go take what that country is saying or those people are saying. I look at it as a book report. Our stuff is very standardized. We give you an intro sentence. We give you sometimes a paragraph about some shit you should know. We always Say some shit you should know before you dig in. Just some really foundational information that brings somebody up to speed. And then it's just, Here's what this guy said, here's what that guy said, and that's what's going on. It's not like a whole huge process on how we do this. And because of that, I figured the less people you have in your bubble, the better. It's less drama, less bullshit.

How do you keep... How do you keep them from putting their own spend on things?

They all naturally have their biases. I think that's when I come in. We're here right now, and there's no news being posted while this is being recorded. Why? Because I'm the final one who has to say on what goes up. That's a double-edged sword. See, that gives me a lot of influence over my people because technically, I'm dictating what my people are seeing. But I have this view that both sides suck. This is a game, right? This is saying that they're two sides of the same coin. Very true. I think that gives me the ability, in a way, to just take the best arguments from these guys, the best arguments from these guys, and just put it together. But yeah, they do have their spins. Totally. But that's what's the beauty of having two people that don't agree on anything working for you because you get two really good arguments.

How many times are you guys posting a day?

It depends. Four to six times a day. We got on Instagram And then on our website, doing five to six articles a day. I mean, these bigger news outlets, they're doing 30, 50. But a lot of it, I think, is a lot of noise, a lot of the bullshit.

How fast are you growing?

We're growing pretty fast.

Seems like it.

Technically, since then to now, we're almost at 1. 6 million followers.

Do you guys have a newsletter by chance? No. Dude, you need to start a newsletter.

Really? Yes.

You need to start a newsletter. We just...

All we do, man, is... I haven't really refined it because I'm in a position where I just want my news to be accessible, and I didn't really get in this to make money. I genuinely wanted people to wake up. And I think as time has gone on, we've built ourselves on Instagram, man. I haven't spent a dollar on marketing. Wow. Not a dollar. It's the name. Which when I first started, a lot of people told me, You got to change the name. No one's going to take you seriously. I'm like, I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. Why? It's just what it is. It's real news with no bullshit. You take it.

Let's talk about the Double Edge the Lord of independent media.

I have a very interesting take about the rise of independent media. To get to that, I think we got to step back just for a second and talk about how we got here.

Go ahead.

I believe that the rise of independent, or what I like to call new media, began when... The first spark, I think, is when Donald Trump announced his run for President, his first time. And the word fake news kicked it off. That's from what I've... Now, I'm young, man. I'm not old. So it could have been before that. Someone might listen to this and say, Oh, it started way before. This is from my view. When Trump became President, we had this war between Trump and the media. I think whether you agreed with the media or you agreed with Trump, it was opening people's eyes to the possibility that maybe some people are biased. I grew up watching CNN when I was a little kid. When I was six, seven years old, that was my thing. I love watching CNN and stuff like that. I never noticed that they had a bias until Trump announced his presidency. It was obvious. At the time, I was so young, I didn't realize Fox News had a bias that was pro-Republican. But as you get older, you start figuring those things out. But when Trump ran, it was crystal clear that there was this rise of clear bias in media.

That, along with him battling the media throughout his presidency, started leading to people looking for alternate sources. But what truly lit the fire was COVID. I believe that when COVID kicked off, there was an active effort to suppress information that was valid. I'm not going to get in. I know there's a lot of people that have a lot of different views. Here's one fact that I point to. We got penalized by Metta and almost lost our account for talking about the Wuhan lab leak theory. Was it two months after Biden came into office? Almost lost our account. Now, I believe it's today, is it with low confidence the CIA says that it could have been a lab leak? Information changes. But the mainstream media at the time wasn't talking about that. That was a conspiracy theory. You never saw that shit anywhere. That's one example out of many where I think people really started opening their eyes and their life.

Why do you think they covered that up? Why do you think that was the forbidden fruit that you're not allowed to talk about?

The Wuhan lab? Yeah.

What is it about the Wuhan? Why don't they want that coming out?

I mean, your guess would be as good as mine, but I would personally think that if the public had an idea that China was making biological weapons, because that was the whole idea. They were working on this whatever, that would maybe freak people out. That's a reality I don't want to live in, where we have foreign governments making bio weapons.

There's always It's been foreign governments making bio weapons.

Right. But I think-I mean, Syria has been gassing its own people for ever. Right. I mean, it could be something like that. It could be, I mean, what? Is the public going to demand that the United States do something? What does that response look like? At the time, too, something really interesting. Maybe it could be this, just coming in my thoughts. When COVID kicked off, where were we getting all of our shit? All of our PPE stuff.

China.

So can we talk shit about China when we need all that shit? Can we? I don't think so. Look what's going on right now with China. As we're sitting here talking, they have a monopoly on rare earth materials that we use to make missiles, to airplanes, to the shit in your phone. And they're putting export restrictions on that stuff. What do you think China would have done if we came out off the bat and said, You fuckers, leaked it out of the lab. Fuck you. Now, let me buy five billion masks from you. What are they going to say? They're going to tell you to go kick Rocks. I mean, it's in a good sense. Or are they going to just take the money and keep doing business? I don't know. But your guess is as good as mine. It could be anything. There's a prevailing theory that That was being pushed in China, and I've seen this theory. I haven't looked into it, that it leaked out of some US facility. Have you heard that?

University in North Carolina?

Yeah. I haven't done my research on it, but I was like, Oh, that's really interesting, because we're saying it leaked out of Wuhan. They're now saying their conspiracy theory, quote, unquote, is it's coming out of some place in North Carolina or wherever. I don't know.

Yeah, I've heard that theory. I mean, I don't know. I think China has got us cornered in a in a lot of different ways, and I don't think they necessarily need a reason to pull the plug on us.

Do you think Americans realize that?

I think that a lot of them do now.

I tend to think that Americans have no idea at the level China is at right now.

I think the listeners of this show have an idea. I think that people are waking up to it. I mean, was it 2020? Yeah, the 2020 election. It was also leading up to it. It was xenophobe. In the debate, you weren't allowed to say it. It would correct you. You know what I mean? It would correct whoever was talking about it, paying them out to be some mass racist against China when we're just having a fucking discussion. Right.

And that's how it should be. You should just let people talk.

But afterwards, right after the election, you started seeing Democrats started taking China more seriously. It was almost like, if he has not been listening to the President for the past four years, he's been talking about this nonstop. Then he was labeled xenophobe. Then the next guy comes in office who's on the other side, and all All of a sudden, everybody starts taking the shit seriously.

Yeah, I look at it really interestingly. I think we're seeing right now, we're in some scary times, and I don't think people realize it. You've got a Western rules-based order, and you've got an Eastern rules-based order that is now wanting to come up. I tell people, when I started giving the news to my friends, I always would break it down in analogies because I feel like I had to get them to understand a little better. The United States has undoubtedly been the only chef in the kitchen for a long time. What we're seeing now is China saying, Hey, we want to cook, too. The question is, what are we going to do? Are we going to allow them to cook or are we not? I would argue that based on everything that's going on right now, the US isn't willing to give that up, and that can lead to some scary shit. I mean, dude, look at what's going on right now. China is… They're building up, man. It's not even... They used to say that we would always be ahead. Now, I keep hearing, they'll be caught up to us in five years. Trump just said it a couple of days ago.

So it's inevitable. I don't know. It's coming, though. And that's scary. Right now in space, something I've been watching a lot, it's not getting a lot of attention. They got satellites in space stalking all of our satellites. Stalking is the words they use.

I have assumed that. I did not know that.

They've admitted it. Top generals, that we have Russian and Chinese satellites following our satellites every movement. And you know what that tells me is This world might not be as stable as we really think it is. And that's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow. I live every moment of my life now because the next 10 minutes isn't guaranteed. That's scary to hear. But when you see shit like that, nobody trusts anybody. Yeah. Nobody. Yeah. And I look at the news, look at what's going on. I mean, it's fucked. It is. I don't know. I mean, It's sad. It's sad.

What are the pros? Let's get to get back to independent media. What do you think the pros of independent media Look, I think it's important to have alternate sources of information that aren't controlled by the Big Five.

What I mean by the Big Five is there is media like Disney owns certain news outlets, Comcast owns the news outlets. They're all under their umbrella. Salem Media, which I don't even know if it's possible to show you, they're one of the biggest in the country. Nobody really talks about them. Have you seen that video where all the reporters are saying the same shit at the same time?

About 100 times.

Yeah, that should scare the shit out of people. I hope you can show that. That is why independent media is important. That video is the perfect example for it because everybody's reading off of a script, and that's being disseminated across America. Back to your original person's question, this propaganda. That's propaganda. That's like some Soviet-level shit happening in America. So the pros of it, obviously, we have just an independent, not controlled by a certain entity being able to give out news. So you get that, you get analysis, you get different things, and you can bend rules a little bit. When I say bend rules, Maybe it's not the etiquette to be a regular journalist and follow certain rules or have to do this or that. There's some bending that I think can maybe lend a better picture for people. But I also think that there are a lot of cons with it.

What are the cons?

It's interesting coming from me because you would think I would think this is great. But there are a lot of people in this space right now motivated by money. Yeah. Because everybody's in it to collect a check. If you open up wherever you get your news right now, focus on an independent creator. They're all activists. I have not to this day. Actually, there's one person I found. But everybody is basically these new independent creators or news journals or whatever. They're mini-CNNs. They're many CNNs. They're many Fox News. They're activists. They're not journalists. And they're toeing their party lines. And I can give you some examples off the bat that go both sides of this. When President Biden was in office, fact, he relied on influencers to push the Inflation Reduction Act, brought them to the White House. They made some chick that hides under a desk. I don't know if you've seen her on TikTok talking about how great the Inflation Reduction Act is. I wonder if she was paid. Another one, recently, we got a ping pong. All All the journalists who got invited to the White House to parade the Epstein final.

What a fucking disaster that was.

Fucking disaster.

Holding that shit up like it's a trophy.

Yeah, and what did we get? Nothing. What a shit show that is.

Yeah, it continues to be a shit show.

Every day, man. And it's bad. It's bad, dude.

You know what worries me about independent media in mainstream is Is you're right, everybody's driven by money to some extent, right? But you see people will go down rabbit holes, and you don't see them come out a certain rabbit holes. And then it becomes the thing, and they can't leave it. It's a drug. Yup. It's what the audience expects from them. I don't know what happens because I like to keep it. We'll We hit a subject, and then we're hit a totally different subject. You know what I mean? I don't dwell in the same subject matter for long. I like to bounce around because every subject can become the one thing that you're known for. You see that with a lot of different subjects right now. You see it with COVID, you see it with Jan 6, you see it with Israel, you see it with China, you see it with BLM, Antifa. You see it, and then it's bam, bam. That's all we talk about, is that one thing, that one thing. And then you got to start getting creative to pump out new content, and you got to start You know where I'm going.

Eventually, the facts run out or you never run into the facts. So then it starts theory and then conspiracy, and then-Conspiracy makes money.

Yep. That's the issue. It goes back to what I was saying. There are a lot a lot of people in the space chasing a check, and there's a lot of money in here. I've been lucky enough in my life that I've always been doing different stunts and entrepreneurial shit, and I used to chase money when I was growing up. And once you start getting some of it and doing some things, I've had some successes here and there that doesn't motivate you anymore. So for me, I don't really give a shit. I really don't. I I don't want to be losing, but a lot of these people that are in here, they don't have that. They don't have maybe another nest to go to. And so what do you got to do to make money? How do you make money as an independent news creator? Two ways. You either sell subscriptions or you sell your soul. That's it. We went the subscription route. We had people that subscribe to that pay for a little extra news. But the other way to do it is you sell sponsorships. Now, some sponsorships can be great because they don't influence what you're talking about.

But a lot of it isn't. A lot of it is people that are getting paid right now, Sean. This is a real thing, and I can show you, where people are being paid to talk about news.

Oh, yeah, we've seen it.

There's a perfect example.

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Yeah, so let's start domestically first.

Domestic influence first.

And then we'll get into the foreign shit.

Right on.

I want to be clear. I've got one example that's going lean more to the right, but it's on both sides. I'm just picking the most recent example to give you. But there's a company called Influenceable.

Influenceable.

Influenceable. They're basically a marketing company that goes out there and tries to create noise release for marketing campaigns. And they're getting a lot of shit online because they've been involved in political campaigns, campaigns to drive policy and whatnot. So this is-Influensible.

How are they reaching out to people? Is it email? Is it social?

I'm going to show you some stuff that I pulled. To give you some background. X is a cesspool of a lot of people who think their-How do I say this, Sean?

The resident X?

Yeah, they're armchair quarterbacks that don't know shit. It's funny, I listen to a lot of them. What's X-Spaces? I'm an X-Space fiend. I love listening to these guys pontificate bullshit, and I'm sitting there fact-checking them just as they're talking, and they're all full of shit. But with that, there's this rivalry among some of them. They don't like, I might not like you because you're taking away from my audience. There's a lot of that shit. This came out on X. This got airing out like laundry. This company called Influenceable, allegedly, I want to be really clear. So they- Allegedly. Yeah, if you guys are coming to sue me, allegedly, and this is all on X, they pushed a campaign, allegedly, that was trying to convince people to not allow the government to overregulate and get involved in where people were buying soda with... Let me read it exactly. This campaign highlights the dangers of government overregulation, with a specific focus on current efforts to restrict soda purchases through food aid programs. Do you remember when RFK was pushing to stop using Snap benefits to purchase the ice cream, soda, all that shit? This is actually one of these conservative news influencers, aired out everybody's dirty laundry and called everybody out.

Personally, I think he's just as guilty, but in other words-Called him out for what? A lot One of these news accounts, they were more right-leaning, started posting on X. I'll just start giving them to you. Sorry. Read this. I'll just give you both. Read both. Those are just two examples. All right.

You want me to read these?

Yeah, why not?

This is Eric Dordy. Important. We cannot allow make America healthy again messaging to be used to force needy Americans into not buying certain things. Some officials in DC are working on trying to prevent Americans on Snap from using those benefits to purchase any soda. Remember, when New York City Democrats tried to prevent people from buying and consuming soda, it backfired big time. President Trump literally has a Diet Coke button in his oval office. Let people think and decide for themselves. Anyone can consume soda and be perfectly fine in moderation, unless we're just going to ban every food with sugar in it for Snap Americans.

This is another account, one of the most popular accounts on X.

Not Jerome Powell. Yeah. Government overreach strikes again. This time it's soda's turn. They want to restrict soda purchases through Snap this time. This is an unwarranted attempt by the government to dictate what Americans can or cannot consume, which is an over-extension of government power in a violation of personal choice. Even President Trump likes to drink his Diet Coke on a daily basis. The government needs to stop over-regulating what Americans can or cannot do. Can I read the initial? Yeah. So this is from- That was the initial campaign that was allegedly sent out.

And this guy named nick Sorder, Which I've got my opinions on him, I can give you later. But he aird all this out, saying, Look at all these guys in my realm that are doing this campaign and that are pushing the same messaging, because that's when RFK was talking about potentially trying to restrict Snap benefits to purchase soda and other shit. And then all of a sudden, you have all these accounts. If you compare both messages, what's something that they all talk about? Trump Diet Coke, Trump Diet Coke.

Let me just read this real quick. This is allegedly the what? This is the recording.

That's allegedly the pitch that was given to all these influencers.

Okay, Soda Bans and government overregulation. Objective. This campaign highlights the dangers of government overregulation with a specific focus on current efforts to restrict soda purchases through food aid programs. The narrative emphasizes how such regulation is an overreach that unfairly targets consumer choice, especially considering the President himself is a Diet Coke enthusiast. Key messaging. Government overreach. Efforts to restrict soda purchases through Snap are an unwarranted attempt by government to dictate what Americans can or cannot consume, which is an over-extension of government power and a violation of personal choice. Personal choice and freedom. The right to make personal food and drink choices should not be restricted by government bureaucracy. Consumers, especially those relying on Snap, deserve autonomy in their purchasing decisions. Economic concerns. Limiting soda purchase will likely harm beverage companies, retailers, and food suppliers, especially those who cater to low-income Americans by relying on Snap benefits. Trump's Preference for Diet Coke. Trump himself regularly enjoys Diet Coke, can be used to highlight the ridiculousness of these regulations.

Pause for a second. The fact that those two tweets are literally hitting the point on that document to a T, and here's the problem. None of these people disclosed that they got paid. This is the instruction.

I wanted to say one more thing that I find interesting here. Then it gives you key resources. These look like links that you can download images or maybe some sorts of video. It says, Key resources, and we'll We'll post this up so people can see it. Another war on soda. How bureaucratic overreach threaten Trump's working class coalition. Then another link, Trump with Diet Coke image.

Come on, dude. Too key. Then here's the instructions on how they would submit their work at the end.

Oh, it's submittable.

Okay. How they go to get paid, essentially.

Okay. If you submit posts after the campaign deadline, it will still count as missed is a missed deliverable. Missed deliverables are deducted from your base pay. It is very important we have all deliverables so we can utilize this in our campaign overview. Then, yeah, it just has a bunch more points. All posts must show likes. Do not hide likes. If these are hidden, you will only get paid 50% of your offer. Pages must be sent to public. We cannot compensate for posts on private pages. Yeah, it's all a typical ad campaign guidelines, basically.

This is ad campaign guidelines. But they're pushing... These are news influencers who consider them independent. That's not independent. You're owned. Where are these coming in from?

Are these from email? I'm curious to see if we've got-They come from email.

By the way, here's the kid, Eric Dautry kid. After he got called out, he admitted he got paid. That's the tweet.

Eric The Ordi. This is the guy. Oh, this is this dude.

This is the same guy. So I just read. That's how you acknowledge he got paid.

Yeah, that was dumb of me. Oh, wait a minute. So nick Sorder exposes him. Exposed, influenceable. The company cutting big checks to influencers on behalf of Big Soda. Over the past 48 hours, several large, supposedly mega-aligned influencers posted almost identical talking points, fed them to fed to them, convincing you Maha was... That's his show more. It's got Clown World. It's got Eric Dordy here. Eric responds, Yes, that was dumb of me. Massive egg on my face. In all seriousness, it won't happen again.

Good job. Good job, buddy. And that's just one. This is going on. Also, these were what these offers looked like. This is a guy who exposed one of these offers. They offer you 50 bucks to talk about whatever the topic is. Okay.

So this is, yeah, the name has been redacted here. Blank is still under attack by the Republican establishment and the Democrats. Another blank is a Patriot and spent his career fighting for America first values in law and order. Now it's time we return the favor. Offer $50. Deliverables. One original tweet on this issue. Messaging. Then there's a link. Timeline ASAP by end of day, Wednesday, July 26. Submit after completing the deliverables. Here's the form. So the thing is-This is actually… I don't know if we have any of these. I think when we take another break, I'll get the emails from you and I'll just have my people dig in.

I I want to be clear, I haven't had influenceable contacts made, because it looks like they're targeting people on the right. Now, with that being said, I just gave you one example. This happens on the left, too. So I don't want people to think I'm just going after the right. But this is happening on a large scale, and I think they're really going for people that are loud and noisy to their basis.

I mean, I don't think this isn't a new thing.

It's That's not a new thing.

I think people think it. I mean, look, we saw what? Beyoncé took a big check from Kamala when supposedly she didn't during the election race. This stuff has happening all over. But I don't think people realize that it's happening for $50.

But it's not even that, Sean. The problem is this. Beyoncé taking a check from Kamala, is it bad? Yeah. Is it wrong? Yeah. But is Beyoncé pushing news and calling herself an independent journalist? No. So when these people who give shit all day to the mainstream media, which sometimes it's rightfully deserved and claim to be the new media and are fighting the corrupt bullshit from the mainstream media, are then selling their asses for a couple of hundred dollars. Yeah. What are they? They're just as bad. If not, I would say even worse. And you know what makes me wonder? Can you imagine maybe, and I don't have proof, but has the mainstream media been getting offers? This for a long time, maybe from big pharma, maybe from other companies. I don't know.

I think it's pretty obvious.

Yeah, but my point is this is like, this is what's happening, and there's influence That's being bought. And a lot of people in this space are chasing the check. I was telling your producer, I'm in a position where I don't have to chase a check. That's rare, I think, in this field, because it's hard to make money, dude. It's not easy. Starting a news outlet, a lot of people might think we get paid from Instagram. I haven't gotten a cent. Instagram doesn't pay me shit. I only get paid if people go subscribe to us. Those people are taking the deals because they don't have subscribers. And I get it, they got to make money.

What do you get? I'm just curious. I have not checked out your website. I should have checked that out. I see you on the gram. Whoever's behind there, I message back and forth with them. I don't know if that's you. We shoot the shit. I'm just curious, what do your subscribers get?

They're essentially paying for double the news. Okay. What we tell people is this, Look, we can't do this for free. I have people to pay. I have to give them something. So what I give them as a little more news, as a thank you. Got you. But, Sean, my goal is one day, I hope that I can get this to a level, and I haven't figured out how I would fund it, but I I don't think people should have to pay for news, which is contrary to what I'm doing right now. I think information should be as openly available as possible, but I'm in a position right now where without the subscription-I got a great idea.

What's here? I've heard Israel and Qatar paying $7,000 a post to talk about whatever bullshit they want in the media right now.

Yeah. I'd be the first one to tell you I haven't gotten an offer from Israel. China. We're going to get into that. And Russia. The thing is this.

And the Democrats.

They're all doing it. The thing is this, Sean, this isn't a regulated space. Listen, I'm one of the first people to tell you, I hate when the government comes in and starts fucking with things. Because I have this view that usually when they try to help you, while they're helping you, they're stabbing you in the neck and something else is going to happen. The question is, how are we going regulate this? Listen, I spend a lot of nights, man. I go out every night, I sit in my Jacuzzi and just look up at the stars and think about the world. I've spent so many days trying to figure out, how do we fix this? Without them going overboard?

Well, let's go through the rest of the... Let's go through the last of the influence, and then we'll come up with the-Let's get into some foreign stuff, some foreign influence. Dude, this is really bothering me. This foreign influence shit with Middle Eastern countries, Israel, Qatar, Saudi, China, Russia. Everybody.

They're weaponizing.

What is going What is going on? What is going on?

Today, I'm coming here in part of the thing we're going to talk about. I have been contacted by foreign governments, either directly or indirectly, to do news stories in their countries or to post news like how those guys were, right? But either about topics in their countries or them just wanting for us to go to their country and show something to our audience.

Oh, yeah, we've had that, too.

Yeah, I'm sure you have.

You know what's interesting, though, is we tried to get the PM of Cutter really hard. We were talking to them. We were in there. They weren't going to pay us shit. I wouldn't take payment anyways. But they wouldn't let us fucking do it. We tried to sync it up when we went to Taiwan. We thought it would be a great pit stop on the way home, hit Qatar, but they didn't go for it.

Why? Did they tell you why, or they just didn't respond?

I can't remember.

We've had foreign governments literally reach out to us. When I say reach out to us, there's one I'm going to show you an example of today, and then there's one that we'll get into. This was a DM we got on Instagram from the UK government.

Do you mind if I read it?

Read the whole thing.

Uk Home Office. Hi, team. Hope you're well. The Home Office are currently looking to partner with trusted outlets and pages such as yourselves to increase awareness around the vital work the government and law enforcement are undertaking to keep the public safe from crime. This is the UK. As a result, we're looking to explore new collaborative opportunities to create authentic digital content with partners. If you feel appropriate, it would be great to discuss this in further detail over email or call you, or call if you're able to provide the best point of contact. Many thanks, Fatma, social media team in Home Office.

So that was a DM, right? And I couldn't believe how brazy that was. I'm like, They literally DM me off of the UK Home Office's Instagram. That's crazy. So I told Trey, who works for me. I said, Trey, I can't believe this. Just entertain it. Get in an email. I want to know more. So Trey, being the lizard he is, right? He starts contacting her, and we got her to an email. This This is her. Gov. Uk email.

I can't wait to read this shit. Uk, where people are getting their heads cut off with steak knives on bridges. Hey, Trey. This is Fab Mom following up on the chat on Instagram. You've asked for more information on what our collab could look like, we basically work in different policy areas with topic you might be interested in talking about. These include crime and policing, migration, homeland security, and tackling violence against women and girls. Oh, because that one... This must have been right after that one.

Pause. This is the biggest issues in the UK right now that people are pissed about, that there's a lot of division over: migration, illegal migration, violence against women. Those protests have been all cooking over this, and also the crime. So what's interesting is this woman Can I finish ?

Yeah, go. I've outlined below what we would be able to give you access to, and more broadly, what working together could look like. Ministerial access, exclusive interviews and sit-downs with our ministers, exclusive clips, Home Office Digital Lobby. Offer you embargoed press notices, operational footage, exclusive digital clips. A chance to cover a Home Office breaking story as news breaks. Access to trusted voices. We could potentially look at setting up exclusive interviews with trusted voices. We regularly take media on operational opportunities to cover a breaking story. For example, this includes immigration, enforcement rates, illegal working police rates, case studies, and influencers. Offer access to influencers we work with in our policy areas or be a part of our work with them. Offer access to case studies. This also is a non... This also not an exhaustive list. We're always looking for new opportunities to collaborate. Let me know if you have any questions. Do they offer you any money?

We didn't get that far. That was the last email. I just wanted it on email. But my brother, who works for me, and I don't know, they said that they have a screen, they could put it up. He She did some digging. So it turns out that lady, Fatima, works for a migration organization that promotes people migrating. I don't know. Do you have a screen? Is that a thing?

Yeah, they'll throw it up.

I could find it, but essentially... Actually, I'd like to read it to you. She She works for a company apparently called Migration Jam. Migration Jam is a migrant-led collective utilizing the power of ethical storytelling and intercommunical dialog to counter the mainstream negative narratives about migrants and refugees. She also works for the UK government. That's her. That is on Google. You can go look her up. It says that she's a Yemen entrepreneur, whatever. My point She's contacting us to potentially go to the UK to do a story. Some people might not have a concern about that. I think that's morally wrong for a foreign government, whether it's an ally or an adversary, to reach out to a news outlet and not only say, We want you to come here and do a story, but, Here's Here's the topics we think you should talk about, which are the big issues right now in the UK that are being talked about in the US right now. You have to ask yourself, Why would the UK want to target an Instagram account that's US-based, that has almost 1. 6 million followers, to talk about the UK's problems?

It is interesting, isn't it? Why do they give a shit about the-I mean, are there maybe a little out of scope here, but I don't see much pushback from the citizens of UK. Do you?

I have. There's been protests. Have you seen the protests?

They're getting pretty. I did see one protest. I can't remember what it was about.

There's people getting pissed off there.

I mean, we had this guy. I wouldn't say it's irrelevant, but just an example. We had this guy, Jay Calon. They are basically... He was an SAS guy over there. They're charging him with fucking murder or some shit like that from past war crimes. Ridiculous. We met him in Dubai and got his story out. They're railroading these guys. Here's the gist of it. Obviously, the Muslim demographic in UK has risen exponentially, correct? True. I think everybody pretty much knows that. True. Now, what's happening is they are trying They're military members, and more specifically, they're special operations guys for war crimes against Muslims. But it's just the shit that they asked their guys to do, and now they're prosecuting them, or they're trying to prosecute them.

For orders they were given?

Yes. You know what? We did this, and this has happened in all kinds of guys. None of these guys want to fucking speak up. To be honest I asked with you, I almost didn't do this interview because these guys don't want to talk. We had to have a long talk with Jay and say, Hey, you're going to have to get articulate here and be specific on what's going on. None of this vagueness. And he promised me he would do it, so he did it. I've not seen one fucking SAS guy stand up for this dude, not fucking Why do you think so? I've talked to several of them, and they all tell me, Oh, yeah, that's fucked up what's going on. I can't believe this shit. This is happening to everybody. So it's not like he's a turd and nobody wants to help him. They are too fucking scared to speak up for their own rights and their own freedom. It fucking pains me to say, These are the most badass people that the UK has to offer. It's their SPS, SAS, and they'll DM you, and I'll tell you how fucked up it is that they're doing it, what they're doing to Jay, but they won't say a fucking word in public.

Yeah. So what hope do they have? And these are fucking tier one operators scared to back their own fucking guy. You know what their motto is? He who dares wins.

Wow.

What a fucking joke that is.

It's that powerful.

The institution there is that powerful. Ful. Yeah.

And I mean, look, personally me, if-Not one fucking guy.

Yeah. Not one fucking guy came out and spoke on his behalf, said anything. Nothing. Not a fucking peep. So what hope do they have?

Tells you how fucked it is. None.

I have no hope.

Yeah.

What are they going to do? The most violent, badass individuals that you have in your entire country are too fucking scared to speak up for their own. What? That's not how you create change.

No. It's sad. Sorry to interrupt. No, it's good that you said that. Some people might watch us and say, Well, this is an ally that's just wanting to do this. I don't give a fuck. This is totally unacceptable. Let me tell you something. If it's okay for them to do it, is it okay for China to do it? Is it okay for Russia to do it? Is it okay for Qatar to do it? Is it okay for Israel to do it.

Why do you think... Just UK, specifically, why do you think they give a shit? I mean, their citizens aren't rising up. They did a protest.

I wouldn't say they're rising up, but there is definitely right now a wave being created because there are some people that are pissed off, and there are some protests that are getting bigger. And there's a big push around Nigel Farage. That'd be an interesting person for you to talk to, actually. There's people in the UK that aren't happy. People are getting locked up. Have you heard about, and I'm not well-versed in it, but there's There's this big online debate that the UK is now arresting people for speech.

Oh, yeah. I've seen tons of stuff about it.

There was a comedian that got arrested and tied up in it. Joe Rogan was speaking pretty passionately about it. I think what they're arresting them for is inciting violence. I think that's the terminology. That's dangerous. That's a dangerous road you're going down. And going back to that email, it's very interesting how they were very specific about certain topics that are big issues in the UK right now, and they want to portray it to Americans. The question is, like you said, why do they want Americans to know?

Why do they care? Why do they care what we think?

Interesting. There's been people in the US that have been openly talking about the problems in the UK. Elon Musk has brought it up a couple of times. Donald Trump has been asked about it with Kair Starmer, the Prime Minister, next to him, and he says, Well, we'll have to look into that, or, I hope that's not true. So it's coming up. So I would assume they're trying to somehow control the narrative in the US to pipe it down, maybe, or to show that it's not as bad as it's being portrayed. I don't know.

What do you think the motivation is, though? They have no problem talking shit about the US pretty much nonstop. I mean, you go to Europe, they all fucking hate us. Not all of them, but a lot of them, they can't stand us. So what do they give us shit?

Your guess is as good as mine. I mean, I'm not going to tell you because I don't know. And maybe she can come on and tell you. It'd be great if they'd show up. Well, we got her email now. Yeah, now ask her. This is going to start a lot of shit, man. I haven't been to London yet. I wanted to go to London and walk around. That's gone. But I don't know why. But But take that example, and let me give you some others that I've dealt with, too.

Oh, I love to hear this.

Now, these ones I can't show you, and I'll explain to you why. This was a direct reach out by the UK government. At the end of her email, she says, I can't share it. If she wants to sue me, let's go. The UK government is going to sue me. That's a badge of honor for me. Okay? So fuck it. Come get me.

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The other ones that we've had reach out to us, they come not through the government directly. But what they do is they use US-based influencer marketing companies. For example, Influenceable. I'm not saying, I want to be really clear, I'm not saying that that's happening with them. But a company like that that has these online campaigns This is going to blow your mind. Around December of last year, we got contacted by a US-based influence marketing company that offered us $25,000 and the potential to make up to $40,000 to do a story. First, they said it's in a country, Very broad. They said it would be-We're in a country? Yeah, no shit. It's a story in a foreign country. You would get $25,000 to go. They cover your flights. There was a stipend related to hotels. It was very... The topics that were going to be discussed, you would talk about infrastructure of this place. You would talk about daily life, and you would talk about just the history of where you were going. I said, Sounds interesting. $25,000. Where the fuck is this? You have to sign this NDA.

You have to sign an NDA before they even-That's how These guys, you sign two NDAs.

The first NDA you sign is to even talk to them, okay? Because they don't want to be exposed. And then they say, If you're interested in this, we'd have to disclose to you some information, sign this, too. So I signed two. I'm going to break one of them here, but I can't break who the US-based company is because I know they'll sue me. We got contacted by the Communist Youth League of China.

The Communist Youth League of China.

Yes. That's what we were told who they were. Okay. Now, what is that? It's very interesting. To this day, Sean, it doesn't even make sense to me because how I understand what the Communists Youth League of China is, is it's like an incubator to create new Chinese leaders in China. So it's very bizarre to me that that's who they said this was for. But this influence marketing company said, Long story short, we want you to go to China, a specific city. I can't even pronounce it right. It's like Qunquing, China. Okay. Go there, and you're going to talk about infrastructure, you're going to talk about daily life in China, and you're going to give some history about China. $25,000 to go, up to $40,000 based on the views that you generate from your content. So here's the thing, two things. I would never go to China because you said you follow us during COVID. You probably remember we were posting all the videos out of China when they were locking people down. I have a feeling if I arrived in China, the second I get off that plane, I'm going to be in some shit.

Seriously. And I'm confident that they...

This is a great ransom tool also, by the way. A great scam. If you can get fucking influencers to do this shit for 50 bucks like that one email I just read, I mean, 25,000? Great way of human trafficking. Done. Easy, easy lure.

Exactly. And like I told you, I'm not motivated by money, but this was so mind-blowing to me. I wanted to know more. So I entertained it a little bit. It came down to the point where this marketing agency that's based in the US was like, You guys need to make a move on this now because there's a lot of people that are getting this offer, and you either go or you don't. And I said, No, fuck you. I'm not doing this. Everybody that's watching this, go on Instagram right now and type in, Cheung Kui China.

Do you know how to spell it?

I don't, but I think I have it saved in my notes.

Yeah, I realized why you can't just say it, but it is. It is. It just type it in and you see it right off. You see it right up there.

There are shitloads, Sean, of videos talking about the infrastructure in China, or however the fuck you say it. I want to be very clear. This is from my lawyer. I can't prove these people took that deal, but everything a lot of them talk about is what I was told to talk about. It makes me wonder, there's a couple of questions to that. Why does the Chinese government want people in America to know about a city. Why do they want people to know about the Chinese infrastructure? Why do they want people to know about daily life in this city? Your guess is as good as mine.

But-they need Chinese sympathizers inside this country. That's why.

Or are they trying to tell people that what you've been told about China and America is not true? For example, something that I noticed, on our Instagram, our comment section is pretty notorious. I don't know if you ever read our comments, but they're fucking hilarious. Great. Shout out to the comment section. But there are Sometimes when we're talking about China, something that I constantly see, and I'm not going saying it's true or not true, is people will downplay China's advancements. That Chinese jet is shit. It's a copy of an American one, or they make shit, or this and that. And I've been thinking about this, why did they want this? And maybe what they're trying to do is they're trying to get at that narrative that everything in China is just a rip off of the US and it's shit. China makes shitty products. And these videos of this city will blow your mind. I don't know any American city that looks like it. They got fucking... One of the guys, They got fucking trains going through buildings, and roads are moving, and the infrastructure looks crazy, and I don't know the reason why they want that, why they want Americans to see that.

And what scares me more, Sean, I've given you two examples of foreign governments coming to me, either directly indirectly. What else are they doing? What else are they doing to other news influencers? What are they pushing? There was another perfect example, Tenet Media. Did you ever hear about that?

No, I don't think so.

Just to synopsisize it really quick, under Biden's DOJ, they busted this company that was paying influencers to push pro-Russian talking points about the war in Ukraine, paying people millions of dollars. Millions. But same thing, what did Russia do? Did Russia go straight to the influencer? No. They used these-Marketing. Us-based brokers that are the in between and And I think the case is still going on. The chick who's in it, she's fucked. And she was in on it, allegedly. I mean, she hasn't been proven yet. And they were paying these influencers millions of dollars. Now, to these influencers, Like, Tim Pooh was named in it. Benny Johnson was tied up.

Oh, I do remember this now. Yeah.

Okay. I do remember this. So listen, though. To their argument, they're saying, Well, we didn't know that the Russian government was doing this to us. If you believe that, which Maybe that's true. Maybe it's not true. It could make sense that they wouldn't know because why would the Russian... You were in the CIA. Why would the Russian government want influencers to know that they're being paid by them to talk shit on Ukraine? These guys are already so loud. They can't keep their mouth shut. I actually would maybe believe it, that they had no idea. None of them were actually charged under Biden's DOJ. There's that. There's talk. I haven't seen it directly to me yet. There's a lot in the news that Israel is paying influencers. I do know that it's a fact that one of Donald Trump Trump's former campaign advisors is listed now as a foreign agent on Fara, and he is working with Israel to, and this is all... You can Google it and read about it, to change the narrative about Israel online, and they're paying influencers. Now, there's talk. It's $7,000. You've probably heard it. I haven't seen the $7,000.

I would be happy to show you today if I got it. But I do know that they're paying influencers to push back on rhetoric related to the war in Gaza and Israel's image. And this gets to really the crux of the problem. This shouldn't be allowed. And it gets back to what I was saying. If the rise of independent media is supposed to not be what the mainstream media is, then we're all doing an awful job. Because I would argue, Sean, that this is worse. And what scares me is that, look, the only way this country is going to fall is one of two ways. Okay? Whether they're going to fall because of a nuclear Apocalypse that's going to kill us all or from within. And if these people can weaponize, influence, and create division, and are trying to shift narratives and opinions, that could be very easily weaponized against you and me.

Oh, we're already falling, man. I know. Make no mistake about it.

I hate to say that because you know how sad that is?

It's fucking horrible because we are the only light in the world that represents any freedom at all. It's sad. Really, we're not even that free, but we're freer than everybody else in the world, right?

I think these people are lighting that fire faster.

If we go... I don't know who's pulling the strings on all this shit. Got some ideas. I think it's a group of different, a foreign foreign governments, not necessarily convoluting with each other, all for their specific purposes. But they are dividing every way they can. And we're doing it ourselves, too. The right and the left are doing a great job of dividing this fucking country. That's obvious. We don't even really need the foreign influence. But what people don't understand, I don't think, is that nobody's coming in here. Nobody's coming in here to conquer us. Nobody's coming in here to save us. Maybe the cartels, you know what I mean? Or maybe spies here and there, but it's not going to be like an invasion or something like that. It could be from within. But the purpose of dividing us I mean, we're seeing, obviously, a huge rise in political violence. But if this kicks off, let's say we go into a civil war or something, this will make the shit that I've seen in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, all over the Middle East. It'll look like child's play. There are so many fucking guns in this country.

So many people that are trained how to use them, stockpiling ammunition, stockpiling weapons, stockpiling. There are more guns here than anywhere else in the world. That people? And people that know how to use them. If you can divide this country enough just to get people at each other in a violent, like an actual violent... I'm not talking about this bullshit BLM Antifa, shit, which was horrible. Yeah. But if you can pit everybody against each other, this will be the most dangerous place in the world by a long shop. There isn't even a government that could infiltrate it because it will become so fucking dangerous.

Why do you think-We will just have to live in it, and then we will be...

People won't even have to think about America. We'll have so many issues killing each All their record numbers.

Why do you think that? Because I think it's a multitude of things that are dividing us. It's the government, it's our lawmakers, it's the media. But why do you think that our lawmakers are still doing it if they know this? We're not geniuses. We're sitting here and we're just looking at it, right? The rhetoric.

I mean, a lot of these lawmakers aren't that fucking smart. I think a lot of people give them a lot more credit than they do. But I mean, there are some...

Special ones.

They're just not that sharp. Yeah. They're not that sharp. And some of the ones that I see getting in there, especially the younger ones. I think that they are selected because they are very easy to manipulate. I don't even realize they're being manipulated. Yeah.

And it's funny. The reason why I pulled this out, I printed out some news articles for you where the media, both independent and the old-school mainstream media, are dividing this country. I wanted to read you these titles. This is from Fox News. This is a title, not an opinion piece. Liberal journalists, Democrats, bitterly seek to discredit Trump's Bronx rally. Call it fake and made up. Okay, whatever. Let's read this. It's good. Here's an article from CNN. Excuse me, this is MSNBC. Trump is threatening to declare war on the American people. That's that title. It's better.

You mean the only thing that people actually read?

The headline. So listen, this is, I believe this is CNN. Yeah, it's CNN. The US economy has a new problem. Democracy is under siege. And this goes to show, what the fuck are we doing? What are you trying to do? People read that and they...

That's all they read.

Right, because they get stuck in their echo chamber.

I would bet the vast majority of people in this country do not read past the headline. Maybe a few sentences.

They all lie. This is something I wanted to show you, too. This is actually great. Do you remember when Joe Rogan went during COVID and CNN aird his face.

Yeah, you're talking about the Ivermectin thing where they made his face yellow.

And this is literally... And to this day, they deny that they did it. I know. They still deny. But this is my point, and this all correlates to each other. They have so much influence over all of us. And a picture, a title, a color can influence somebody. I even recognize myself, I can influence my audience very easily. I think what makes me different from a lot of other people is I'm level-headed and I'm sick of it all. I hate, I hate to use the word hate Sean, I'm sick of the left and I'm sick of the right because I see through it all. I have this analogy. I tell people, every four years, we elect a new government. Essentially, we get a new president. Then some new lawmakers come in, and the house will either go a Democrat or Republican. I want you to picture a car rolling down a road. Every four years, we pick who drives, to the left or the right. There's only two types of people that could drive the car. We elect somebody to the left with a left government. The car is still going to go down that road, but it's going to lean a little to the left.

If we elect somebody on the right, car is going to still stay down that road, but it's going to lean a little to the right. The reality is that no matter who's in office, the status quo continues. People in this country are hungry for change, Sean.

Oh, yeah. We're talking about foreign influence. Have you seen that APAC advertisement? Yeah. Pull that shit up. It's pinned to the top of their X profile. You think that's helping anybody?

I don't think. I know. It's crazy. All of this shit.

We'll overlay it on the screen right now.

Yeah. It's... My point, though- That's fucking propaganda right there.

Yeah.

But the thing is, and now, so listen, you're going to get shit for that right now. I don't care. No, but listen, you're going to get shit because now people are going to say, You're anti-Israel. But the thing is, it's not just Israel, it's everybody. They're all doing it. But what they do is they hound in on the one person talking about one. I'm at the point where it's, Fuck them all. None of them should be able to do this. This isn't right. The question is, how do we regulate this? What do we do? Listen, I I told you, I'm not one for new laws and regulating press. Trust me, I don't want that because every time we try to do something, we end up usually going too far. But this shit can't continue. The influence can't continue. Our founding fathers, geniuses, when they found this country, the Constitution, amazing to think of that back then. The problem is, they didn't think about fucking Metta. They didn't know Instagram. They didn't know how it could be weaponized. They were thinking in the moment. And the problem is we're so fucking divided now that there's no way that I see that we can address all these things without-I think about this all the time.

The only conclusion that I've come to is you have to just lead by example. You have to show that you can have a fucking conversation with somebody that you disagree with, and it can be a cordial, nice conversation. And I have a perfect I'll just take an example of this. I brought Gavin Newsom on, what, about two or three months ago. Got obliterated by my audience. They were so fucking angry that I had him on.

I don't agree with much of anything that that guy says.

But we had a nice, cordial conversation. It was a great experience. When I took that interview, I wanted to show, Hey, we don't have to fucking hate each other just because we disagree on everything. I think a lot of the things that I've seen going on in California, you live there. I don't go there. But I think that a lot of the things that have happened there are disgusting. But I wanted to show that I can have a conversation with somebody that I don't agree with, and I don't have to hate them the entire time. You know what fucking came with us? We had a awesome discussion about psychedelic therapy, what it's doing for veterans, traumatic brain injury, PTSD, addiction, all this stuff. We had a great discussion about that on the show yesterday. Gavin Newsom just signed a fucking bill in California that is pro-psychedelic therapy. I literally just saw it right before I came down here for the interview between me and you. I haven't even read the whole thing yet, but I texted him and I said, Man, No, this is really good to see. Thank you. And he said, Big part of that was that discussion we had on your podcast.

You know what I mean? What I'm saying here is you have to lead by example because we can't penalize people. That's an infringement on free speech. That's an infringement on capitalistic society. All you can do is be the person to set the example. And that's what I wanted to do with that interview, is set an example. And look, I set an example everybody fucking hated me for. But look, now there's policy that's happening that's benefiting people that are struggling with traumatic brain injury, PTSD, are veterans, rape victims, addicts. Addiction is obviously a fucking massive problem in California right now. I think that's the only way to solve the opioid-fentanyl-heroin epidemic is through psychedelics. And look, it's coming to fruition three months later, after two people that are a complete opposite sides of the spectrum have a discussion, and he's implementing that in his state. That is fucking cool. That's how you fucking make change.

Yeah, and all those people giving you shit. You know what? I would tend to argue they're stuck in those echo chambers. Exactly. And that's the problem. And you know what? Get out. Go listen to something else. Go challenge your thoughts. Because if you get stuck in these chambers, you're just festering in the shit, and you might miss something. Also, too, it goes back to what I said. We got to get back to the place where we're treating Americans like Americans again. You might not agree with Gavin Newsom, right? But guess what? You were able to sit here and talk to him as a neighbor. And we got to get back to that. We have to, because if we don't, like you said, it's going to get nasty, and it's the conversation nobody wants to have. But it's true. We can't allow this to keep cooking. Yeah.

Do you have any ideas?

I've had one idea, but it goes more into how do we break this two party system of bullshit.

Attraction is better than promotion.

I've had one idea, and it could work, but then I see issues coming after that. I think we need somebody to run for office that picks a running mate that doesn't agree with them.

I don't see that happening. But they don't have to come as a complete surprise.

Like, Sean-Because the RNC or the DNC-We take a Republican, and we take a Democrat, and we put them together. And the one thing, they might not agree on everything, but that's the whole point of our government. You have to compromise.

I'm with you here.

If we took A Republican and a Democrat that could run together as just Americans, not as red, not as blue, as red, white, and blue. And we got them out there, and they worked on the common goal of just making things better and finding that middle ground and treating each other like human beings, not as enemies, which both sides do. That's the only thing I could see fixing it. But then the next issue is, well, now you have Congress, and the Senate is controlled by Republicans and Democrats. All it takes is a bunch of them to agree on something and impeach your ass. Something I find interesting is both sides will unify on things Like right now, a couple of things. Where's the stock trading ban? Why haven't we had that?

Well, I think we all know why we don't have it.

You know why? It's because it goes back to my thing. They're two sides of the same coin. How long have we been hearing that someone was going to take care of our debt? We're 37 fucking trillion dollars in debt, Sean. Does it even matter anymore? I mean, fuck it. They're just going. It's the constant shit, and it never changes. And every four years, we hear something else. Most recently, the most disappointing thing that I've seen from my audience right now, where they are disappointed, this whole Epstein file thing. What a-Fuck, you had Cash Patel sitting in this chair?

Are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? Remember that?

A hoax.

What? Yeah, we're still fucking talking about it.

What do you think about that? I have an interesting take, but I want to hear yours.

I don't know exactly what you're talking about, but what do I think? I think a lot of things.

Why do you think right now they're not? You don't have to be a Democrat or Republican to reveal that they're not being transparent.

I think they have botched this so bad that unless it aligns with the wildest conspiracy theory out there, nobody's going to fucking believe it. Exactly. Why haven't you just released it? Just release it. Just fucking release it. What was the last thing that DOJ is not going to listen to Maxwell at all, or they're not even going to... I think all kinds of things. I think But look, our government has been lying to us for decades, man, about everything.

And it's like the boy that cried Wolf. You lie once, lie twice, lie three times. Eventually, you start not believing somebody. And they've done this to themselves. We DMed about this recently. You had a comment on my page. You said that this is decades of the government lying. I think what's happened with this whole Epstein thing, I think there are parts of it that true. I don't doubt that he trafficked women, and there are people involved, and not even women, girls, teenagers, disgusting shit. But I often wonder has the theories that are out there, have some of them been cooked up by maybe a foreign government that wants to sow more distrust? It's definitely possible. And the government. And then the question is this, we're all expecting all these big names to be in it. And what if that's not it? What if our expectations are here? And what's actually there is here. And if they release it now, are you going to believe it?

No, I'm not. I don't know anybody that would believe it. Right. They totally fucked it up. They botched it so fucking bad from the very beginning when the influencers went to the White House holding up the binders like it's some a trophy. Like, Look at me. I'm in with the administration. Well, buddy, the administration just discredited your entire fucking career. Yeah. Good job. But not only that, then it was the comments. Are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? Yes, we are still talking about Jeffrey Epstein because you ran half your fucking campaign off getting these files released. Of course, we're still talking about Jeffrey Epstein. Then fast forward, there was the footage. They released the footage. But there's a blip, and it's like, Dude, are you fucking serious? Are you shitting me? You're going to release footage with its missing fucking time? Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

I know. And you know what's crazy? This goes back to remember I told you about the Russian saying that he was concerned for me, and he was talking about my reality in a different way. I often wonder, this is the stuff he was talking about, this shit. This is the shit we're told that happens in Russia, where there's minutes missing, or people falling out of windows, and people dying, and all this crazy shit. It's right in front of us. You're right, we're missing a minute. This guy gets, allegedly, commit suicide in a maximum security prison. They don't have the... First, I thought at one point we didn't even have tapes. Tapes aren't showing up. But now, there's so many issues. The Bureau of Prisons report that they released is contradicting itself now based on the video that we've now seen. I mean, and even to this day, the thing that really drives me nuts is we have people in the FBI now that previously talked about getting to the bottom of this and being transparent and being real. You and Cash Patel, sit here.

Oh, I know. I'm very aware.

And look what they're saying. It goes back to the same thing. It's Man, dude, this is... And you know what's crazy, too, is the Democrats are writing this. They're saying, Look, we want the Epstein files. You know what? And the question to them is, Where were you four years ago? You guys were in charge. Yeah. You know? But the shitty part is, Sean, now it's being weaponized on all sides. Nobody wants to figure it out. And here's the reality. There's a bunch of young children, teenagers, that got tied up into this shit. And it's now just being used as political of points and baggage. What people just are-They're mysteriously dying now, too.

I mean, one just got smacked with a bus. One of the victims, right? Just got smacked, killed with a bus. Yeah.

It I mean, what the fuck?

So I think at the court, nobody's going to believe it. That's why I said nobody's going to believe it.

Nobody.

That's why they're screwed. Unless it aligns with the wildest conspiracy out there. But I mean, I don't What do you think it was? I look at it. I've interviewed nick Bryant a couple of times. I've talked to Buck Sexton about it.

The biggest thing that I see on the internet is that people are saying that Epstein had ties to the Mossad and all this shit.

Looks pretty likely.

I've often wondered, and I'm not doubting that, but I've often asked myself, Is this even bigger than that? And you know this. You were in the CIA. The CIA cannot target American citizens. You're not allowed to touch Americans, whether it's gaining intelligence on them or whatever. It has to go through with other agencies, and there's a whole process. I've often asked myself if maybe this was a broader operation between a bunch of foreign intelligence agencies, maybe like the Five Eyes, for example, something like that, where a bunch of intel agencies were working together, maybe to, unfortunately, compromise lawmakers in their countries and abroad so that that could be used as weight to get people to vote in a certain way or approve funding for certain programs. A US agency can't touch a US lawmaker, but one from the UK can. I mean, Israel can. I've thought that.

I've thought- This is such a thorn in this administration's side that if it was- It's not going away, too. If it was what you're saying, what if it was down here? What if everybody's expecting this? I don't know. I could see that. But at the other hand, it's like this has become such a problem. I think it's jeopardized the midterms. I think it'll jeopardize the next election for the Republican. For sure. I think that this good... I think the Republican Party will pay dearly for how this has been handled. But there is a way to make it right. Just fucking release them. And if it's not that bad, just fucking release it.

You got to wonder what it is. It's got to be so bad that they're willing to literally... I watched Cash Patel at that FBI hearing. I thought to myself, what did he say to himself when he got home that night and closed the door? Because, I mean, fuck, dude, he's just sitting there just... And the thing is, he was acting the same way as the previous directors and how they were all deceiving, and they don't even answer questions, and they just dance around everything. It goes back to my same point. It's like it's the same bullshit. Yeah. It's all day.

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I saw some stuff in the outline. It has to do with OnlyFans.

It's interesting. For people that don't know, bots are accounts, whether it's on X, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, whatever. They're accounts that are not real people that might comment something. There's usually three motives behind what they're commenting. The first type of bots, the most common ones that we see today, they're the only fans, porn bots that are trying to... They'll comment on a post and try to hope that somebody sees that and gets horny and goes to that site. That's the first one. Those are nefarious, nothing bad. Not too nefarious. The second type of bot, which we've been seeing, is bots that will pop up and they'll comment about an unfortunate situation. Maybe they're in a war zone. Most common one I've been seeing recently is people will claim they're in Gaza and they'll have a GoFundMe, and they'll say, Please help me. My family is dying in Gaza. Click my page and go to my GoFundMe. You click these accounts And depending on the level of sophistication of the bot, it clearly will either look like a fake page or they look really real. And then there's the next level of bot, which is the one that I'm concerned about.

And these are bots that comment about topics, news. So internally, I've never talked about this ever, let's say, for example, we post a news article on Instagram. Right when we hit post, there will be four or five comments. Right after I hit refresh, four or five paragraph article with a headline. I hit refresh, it's three seconds. There's a two-sentence comment about that topic. Sean, that's humanly impossible. So the question is, what are they trying to do? We have restricted our Instagram approximately a thousand accounts. Restricting means if we find somebody to comment something so fast, and we're not talking a word, I'm talking sentences within a second or two, that means you're a bot. There's something that's not genuine about you. We've got about a thousand accounts over the three years that we started doing that. What scares the shit out of me, Sean, is when I look at those accounts, some of them clearly look fake. I have found accounts, Sean, that look like real fucking people, to the point where A perfect example, we had an article about the war in Ukraine, and it was giving both sides Russia and Ukraine. And this guy comments three sentences within, I'm talking, seconds about how Ukraine, something about Nazis in Ukraine or whatever.

And I'm like, This is humanly impossible. Click his profile, look at him. He's tagging his wife in pictures. Click his wife. His wife has an account, 600 followers. Oh, wow. Yeah, dude. Wow. These are sophisticated bot networks that have been set up by foreign actors. And this isn't new, okay? But a lot of people don't realize this. Every couple of months, Meta will come out or Microsoft does these reports where they'll say, We identified all these bot networks, and then they start shutting them down, or Meta will announced they took down 5,000 accounts or whatever. But people don't understand the scale of it. You might read a news article, you might read a headline, and then instead of reading the article, you just go to the comments to see what people are saying. They're trying to influence how you think in a comment. Now, the crazy thing is you might be arguing with somebody that's not even real. And they're gaslighting you. You were talking about You got shit for having Gavin Newsom on here. I wonder how many of those people were just maybe not real people that were just trying to divide. I'm not saying they all were.

I'm sure there's a ton of them.

Yeah. And what they do is they're trying to stir up shit. The funny thing, because we've restricted some accounts, we'll have, and I'll show you how it looks, but it's basically I can see their comment, but nobody else can see it, and I have to approve to allow it. We've had other bot accounts comment on our post tagging as if they're responding to you. So it'll be like @shawnryan762, right? But they can't see that original comment. So it just came up as a populated response to nothing. So it tells me that's a bot, too.

You're saying that they are responding to the bot that is restricted, that they wouldn't be able to see?

Yes. But they don't because it's all automated. I don't know if you've seen those videos, and I'll send you them. There's literally fucking rooms full of phones. Yeah. Have you seen it? Yeah, I've seen them.

I don't understand exactly how they are working.

I don't understand-without somebody behind the actual device? Well, I think it's an AI.

I would assume.

Yeah. I don't know the- Did you see that one in New York recently?

You guys covered that, I think.

It wasn't bots. That was somebody trying to take down cell towers.

Some communication disruptor or something.

That's fucking crazy.

How many phones was it?

It wasn't actual phones. They had some system that allowed them to duplicate 100,000 phone numbers in some way. I don't know if it was duplicate or they could mimic 100,000 phone calls. And what the idea was is they were going to...

Shut down Manhattan's communications.

That's fucking crazy. Crazy. And let me tell you something, that's not some little gang or a cartel. That is somebody trying to do some shit.

That's a foreign adversary.

100 %. And you know what? We haven't heard a thing about that.

Of course we haven't.

Yeah. Not a word. Makes you wonder like... I mean, I hate to talk about shit like this, but I don't think people realize how vulnerable our daily life is to shit like that.

Oh, man.

The power grid. We're going off a little tangent here, but China has been embedding in US critical infrastructure for decades. Something I love to do, and I encourage everybody to do it, is I really watch these hearings with these top generals on Capitol Hill. I watch them religiously every second because you get an idea as to what's going on. And there was a general who went up that said that how they view it as China has been embedding themselves in US critical infrastructure with the goal of that if there was ever a conflict to break out, it would slow a US response down because it would create chaos within. Because everybody's dependent on all this shit. You It goes back to what we were talking about earlier, which was nobody trusts anybody. It's sad. Because most people just want to just grow up. Sorry, I get emotional because it sucks. Most people just want to raise a family and live. Yeah, But you can't. It's sad, man. It is. I want to be clear, it's not just Americans, the world. You think people in the Middle East want this shit that's going on right now?

People just want to live. But what we've got... I tell my friends this, you've got nine countries, eight or nine. That sit at a table, big, long table. Everybody that sits at that table is a country that has a gun. What do I mean by that? Those are Countries that have nuclear weapons. The nine countries: China, North Korea, Russia, India, Pakistan, the UK, France, the United States, and the one that everyone we don't know is Israel. I think they have one. Those people, think of it as a person, a country. Sit at this table. Some have the gun on the table to show it off. Some have it holstered. The ones that scare me, Sean, are the ones that have their hands under the table. You know why? Because you don't know if I'm pointing a gun at you. With everything that's going on in this world right now, the stalking of satellites, the embedding in critical infrastructure, the supply chain, the fentanyl crisis, the buying our farmland, buying land next to military bases.

It goes on and on. The propaganda, the bot farms influencing us.

On and on and on. I have questioned, Sean, This is hard to say, but I don't know. I don't know if... Fuck, dude. There's so much distrust, and people don't realize it, how bad it is right now, every second, every minute. All it takes is one fucking thing, and that could be it. Now, what we hope is that those nine people at that table aren't fucking crazy. But let me tell you something. Guess who's sitting at that table? Just one example. Kim Jong Un sitting there. He's fucking crazy. Some people will then say, Well, maybe his gun doesn't work. Okay. Are you comfortable with someone pointing a gun at you? That might not work. There's people that are more flamboyant about it, and there's people that aren't. I've questioned, because of the way the world's going, everybody's arming up, is my generation going to get to live their full potential? It's tough.

Everybody's worried about that, man. It is, dude.

Because this is something I really believe in. Dude, people just want to live. I've heard you talk about you went to war for what? You have your feelings. You were wondering why you were out there. Same thing. We're totally off-topic, but… How far are people willing to go? And I don't know. I really don't know. But based on everything I'm seeing, dude, it's fucking crazy. It's fucking crazy. We've got to get... The thing is, how do we even fix that? There's so much distrust. Everybody's spying on everybody. Everybody's embedding in each other's shit. It's a cluster fuck, dude. How do you fix that? Right now, the only fix to that that we've been using is deterrence. That's okay. We're making all this shit open. We never have to use it. And what's fucked, Sean, is if we want to stop, they won't. Same stuff with AI. Look at this AI shit right now. It's being weaponized. It has to be, right? We don't have an option. Because if we don't do it, China is going to do it. Russia is going to do it. Everybody's doing it. So we're fucked. We have to do it.

But look at what comes with that. I always tell people, the number one thing that I believe guarantees Our freedoms in this country is that, at the end of the day, let's say, God forbid, something happened, and this country had an issue where the military was directed to do things that were unconstitutional to us that would take our rights away. At the end of the day, there's one thing that stops a ridiculous order and our everyday life, and something impacting our everyday life. You know what that is? A soul. A soldier. At the end of the day, they have a heart, they have a soul, they of a mind. With the way we're going, man, we're getting into the world where, is that even going to be necessary anymore? Can you just take an order and it just does it? You ever thought about that? That we're We got all these countries now that are using robotics and they're arming all these robots. Fuck, could you imagine what it would look like if one of these countries had a coup from within? With AI, what the fuck does the world do? And all these AI wizards and tech guys.

I'm not a tech guy, and these guys might dog on me and say, This guy has no idea what the fuck he's talking about. Okay, cool. What's your plan for that? Well, it can never What happened? How? There's guardrails. Everybody can break a guardrail. Fuck, AI is right now thinking for itself. Did you hear the story? I think it was, I don't know if it was Google or who it was. They had to shut down an AI that they were testing because they told the AI that they were going to shut it down because it wasn't working well, and they were just egging it on, and it threatened to blackmail one of the developers.

Was that real? I couldn't tell if that was real. I read it was real. That was bullshit.

Yeah, it was an AI. It was a report that they released. I forgot the group's name. And when I saw that, I said, Are you fucking kidding me?

This is what I think. I think it is a game of patience. This is going to sound bad.

Oh, fuck it.

But I think this is going to be a game of patience. I think that the older generations are going to have to disappear. It's a matter of time. Just everybody fucking dies, right? I think the older generations, as they start to die off, I Because the younger generations are more in tune with what's going on. At least that's my view of things.

I think they're sick of it.

They see the AI. They have total, complete distrust in mainstream media. They don't trust any of the government institutions. Then you have the older generations that they can't wrap their head around the fact that the news outlets that they've been watching for 75 years are fucking lying to them and likely have been the entire time. Their entire world has been flipped upside down, and they just don't understand it. Just like the thing you just showed me, a 93-year-old woman or 83-year-old woman posting an AI video thinking it's real. And then under all the comments, those people all think it's real, too. It's very You're fortunate, but you're not going to reframe 65 years old plus. You're not going to reframe that mind. It's just their entire world has been flipped upside down. Tech is just advancing at a rapid pace, and they're not going to get it.

It's crazy where it's going.

I think that the younger generation is more in tune with this, probably millennial generation and down. Yeah. I think it's a waiting game, unfortunately. I also think that people need to be a little bit more accepting, a little bit less judgmental, a little bit more willing to poke holes in their own fucking stories. I see a lot of people that are unwilling to do any self-reflection and poke holes in their own stories, and that is detrimental. That is fucking absolutely detrimental. When you have somebody that 100% bought and sold on what they are seeing on X and are unwilling to self-reflect and poke holes in their own stories, that person is now gone, too. You just always have to be willing to poke holes in your own bullshit. And you don't see a lot of that today either. But that's what I think. I think people need to lean out, too. I think people just becomes their life.

Go You've got to challenge what you're seeing.

People are spending seven hours a day on social media. Yeah.

Getting cooked up what the algorithm wants them to see. Yeah.

It just pigeon holes you more and more and more and more. The more time you spend on it, the more it learns about you.

It's crazy how much power that is. You can literally move somebody to do anything.

But it has no power if we go back to human connection.

Can we get there? Honestly, I've thought about that. I don't remember. Remember the days when I grew up? I can't really tell you much about when I grew up, but I remember the days, man, you would go knock on your neighbor's door to play with them and shit, do shit like that, play soccer. Yeah, stuff still goes on, but remember the days where you would actually make plans with your friends and hang out with them and go? All that stuff is like... And those were private moments. Now everything has to be publicized and thrown on social media. It's weird how, like man, our childhood, what it was and what it is now, it's just different. But I do see that there's a drive among some people to try to give their children that are being born today that same childhood away from the iPad, not giving the kid the iPad and the bullshit.

It's happening all the time, man. I just had Trey Stevenson, co founder of Vandeerle. Kids don't have any devices.

Really?

Major tech guy.

See how sad, too. I was at a dinner recently, and it was an older woman, maybe in her 90s, and she was sitting there with her two, I would assume they were her grandkids, fucking stuck in the phone while she's eating.

Oh, man, I see it all the time.

I thought to myself, Fuck. We're all on borrowed time. Those kids will grow up and they'll regret that. Those moments that you're just fucking stuck in some little virtual box. Yeah. You know?

Yeah.

It sucks, dude.

It's pretty sad. It's pretty sad, but there's a lot of good stuff going on in the world, too.

Yeah, you got to look both.

But you'll never see it. If you don't lean out of digital, but get out in your fucking community. That's grass. Not everybody hate you. I see it all over this town.

Yeah.

Well, hey, as we wrap this up, Yeah. And you have been judging media outlets, big ones, small ones, independent ones, mainstream ones. How do you think we're doing?

I think you're doing a good job, Sean. You brought on Gavin Newsom. I'll be honest with you. I don't keep up with all your stuff religiously, just because life gets crazy, man. Hey, I get it. I can barely keep up with my shit, but I catch one every once in a while. My brother, though, he's That's why he's here, he wanted to meet you. But I had this impression of you originally that you were more right-leaning. I don't know why. That's just how I absorbed it originally. Over time, as I listen to you, I've seen that I was wrong. I think how I view you and what you're doing here is you're trying to have a real conversation with people, and And you bringing on Gavin Newsom, I think, was really the pinnacle of you showing that you're not an echo chamber. You're open to people challenging new ideas. I've I've seen some of your podcasts where you have somebody on, talk shit on somebody else, and then you let that other person that was getting shit talk, come on in. I think that's important, and that's good, and you're facilitating that. And that's what I think We need it.

We need to... People need to be able to have a conversation again. There's guys from the left and guys from the right that all have great ideas. Some of them are bad, some of them are good. But at the end of the day, we should be able to sit down and have a conversation about it. I think that's what you're doing here. I think you're allowing people to come in here and open up and talk. Fuck. I mean, you've had some amazing guests. I told you, it's crazy I'm sitting here because I really... I mean, you've had some truly top-tier guests. Fuck, you had Tom Homan in this chair crying. It's a tough man. You got You need to tear up a little bit in here. That's just how I feel. You've had everybody from all walks of life, and you've even brought in people from different countries that maybe have some different views on what we're all told here. I think that's important. I think you're truly someone that's independent, and you're going down your road, and you're open to all ideas. That's the same thing with me. We're both artists. We just paint a picture and put a bunch of color on it and let people figure it out.

That's just what you've been doing. I hope you continue to do that. I hope that you bring in people. It'll be cool. Something that we're going to do is I want to start bringing in Republican and Democratic lawmakers over for dinner. I'll talk about America while they cook some food. Wouldn't that be cool?

That would be great.

I think that would be sick. I have AOC and Marjorie Taylor-Greene in the kitchen. That's right. I might get fucking canceled for that. Love it. Or cook a meal and have a conversation about America. I think you're doing that on a much larger scale, bringing people in and having that conversation. We need to have more of that. We need to have more, less of the loud, noisy bullshit and more of just people Connecting on a human level as Americans.

The human connection.

It's important. We got to get back to that. And if we don't, it's not good. I hope people take that away from that, too. Really, get out of your echo chambers. You don't have to like my news. I could give two fucks. Go find, stay where you're at, but challenge yourself.

They have to realize they're in an echo chamber first. A lot of people still don't realize it.

If you watch Fox News, please take 30 minutes out of your day. And I know it's hard to do. Turn on MSNBC. Just turn it on. Challenge yourself. Same thing goes with the people watching MSNBC. I know it's hard. 30 minutes. Just reinforce what you believe, because you would be surprised There's much more that unites us than divides on both sides. You just don't realize it because people get...

It just goes back to you have to be willing to poke holes in your own story.

True.

Well, John, I love what you're doing, man. I appreciate it. Been following you for a long time. I'll continue to do it. Dude, you got to make the newsletter. You got to make the newsletter.

Newsletter. So what?

It's just-There's your subscription Yeah. The newsletter.

Just the newsletter that people get news from.

Just a little bit more detail.

Got it. But-one more thing to do, man.

Hey, you got to expand, right? Yeah. You're not growing, you're dying. But hey, man.

Pleasure to meet you. Nice to meet you, Sean. Thank you.

And real news, no bullshit. So everybody, check it out.

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Cheers.

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