Transcript of Maple Leafs vs Carolina Hurricanes Post Game Analysis - Dec 30, 2023 | Game Over: Toronto

Game over. Hello and welcome, everyone, to Game Over, Toronto. We are coming off another loss. Three, two to the Cains. It was close up until the end. There's a lot to talk about with this. This does make it six games where we only have one win in that span. Not a great stretch for the Leafs. I'm, of course, joined by Lauren. How are you doing, Lauren? This is the last game until the new year, so hooray. I hope you got a good note.

I've actually felt better. I have actually been very sick for the last week over Christmas and holidays and everybody, so I hope you had a great holidays. I feel about as good as the Leafs played tonight. Is that a good answer? I have chocolate. I brought chocolate because I was like, Well, I'm sad.

It's a depressing one.

Yeah, we got the toilet rochets ready to go.

It's not the way we want to go out for the year. It doesn't bring us to 2024 with good vibes. So yeah, today was the second half of a back to back. We obviously lost in horrible fashion yesterday as well to the Columbus Blue Jackets 6:5 and OT. And yeah, we're struggling right now. Keith, before the game started, made an example to scratch David Camp before the game. He said something about it being with regards to mistakes being made and it's a message to be sent. This did break a 323 game consecutive streak for Camp. He had an Iron Man streak going, which is now broken. I wanted to start off with this because I think the biggest factor in this game was Special Teams. The first two Hurricane's goals were obviously on the power play. David Camp is a pretty key contributor to our penalty kill. The first question I want to pose is, was that a mistake?

I thought it was a mistake before the game started and now that the game is done. My question is not was it a mistake? My question is, does that mean Marner should now be benched because of how he played tonight? Because he was terrible tonight. Yeah, well, again- Yeah. Benching David Kamp was a mistake. Did he make a mistake last game that maybe cost a goal? Sure. Was he the reason the Leaves lost? Absolutely not. To say that you're going to start making an example on the last day of 2023 is a choice, I guess. I was actually surprised to read that. Actually, my sister in law was in town until this afternoon, so we just got our apartment back, which has been very nice. It was nice having her here, but took some time this afternoon to just decompress, play some video games, pause the game, get everything reset up. They were sleeping here, so I had to put all my stuff away. I was like, okay, historically, when the Leaves get play a very bad game, normally they come out and play very well the next game. I was expecting to finish off 2023, pumped up on Benalin, feeling good because we got a big win.

It wasn't even 10 minutes into the first period, and I was like, Okay, why did I pause my game for this? Straight up, man. I know that there's so many people in the chat they're talking about Fire, Keith. The problems are so much more than just Fire, Keith. It was a bad coaching decision, at least in my opinion, for him to benchcamp, especially coming into the game. Carolina is what? Second in the League in their power play?

Yeah. And it was even more weird because they talked, Keith talked about how Carolina is incredibly good in special teams. It's just a weird choice to bench one of your best penalty, probably your best penalty in the game center. You know what I mean? Two power play goals against, and we couldn't get anything going on the power play, which is in a whole other issue as well. Special teams was a huge issue, and it started off right out of the gate. We had a non-ideal penalty in the first two minutes.

We had 47 seconds in.

Yeah, Nize draws a hooking penalty, I believe, against Martin Nekhash. He was, yeah. And who other than Michael Bunting in his first game back?

Do you want to know something? I see that Carolina is going on the power play. I'm not exaggerating. I was trying to download a sports betting thing because I was like, Oh, Michael Bunting is going to score.

I saw so many tweets.

About it too. Literally like 20 seconds into it, he scores. Now it's like, Never mind. Put the phone down. If you don't bet against... If you don't bet against the Leaves when it comes to X Leaves coming to town, what are you doing? I don't...

I think everyone knew it was going to happen and it was going to be Bunting, because, of course, he scores with less than three minutes into his return. It was a good feed by Sebastian Aho there, but Bunting was left alone in front of the net. Right there, man. Yeah, second shot of the game. And he's a finisher as well. Bunting has a pretty solid shot. He had out-.

He had out- He had out- He had out- He out-positioned- -before the League Severs.

Registered a shot.

Yeah. He out-positioned Noah Gregor. That was the note I have. Five hole Gregor can't stop bunting. That just better positioning. He's good in this lot, and that's why we loved him when he was here. That's why we didn't want to play against him again, Caroline, because we knew he was going to do this good.

Yeah, exactly. It was followed by that was Riley getting a partial break. I thought he was pretty solid tonight overall, Morgan Riley. I think he's been one of the few defensemen that I think every night has looked offensively like a threat.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, and he drew a penalty, which gave us the power play, and we did nothing with it. And this was the first PowerPlay, and both our first and second unit really struggled tonight.

The note I have on the first power play, MoChance, Leif, Peepie, Orlof, terrible entries. Yeah, terrible entries. In one sentence, terrible entries. And that was all night.

Yep. Did you see the double drop pass? I hate it. It was so much time when you.

Come- I just keep making this sound. The fact that I'm not throwing Flemm at the camera is a fucking miracle, I tell you. Because all night, the Leaves could not get a zone entry. And you know the worst part about the special team's play tonight was that not only was Carolina clicking so well, they play exactly the way that the Leaves should play on the power play, where they're not forcing the re-entry to try and spend 20 seconds trying to get it into the zone with all five guys into the same time. No, no, no. They just let someone get in the zone, create some havoc and create space and score as soon as they gain entry. They gain entry and there's a shot on goal within five seconds on every single power play that the Cains got tonight. As soon as they get entry, shot on goal, shot on goal, shot on goal to try and create an opportunity, try to create a rebound. And what do the Leaves do? No, no, guys, we're going to double down on a double drop back, and we're going to drop it back not once. Yeah.

And it's made all the worse because Turner had an awful game. And there were a lot ofa lot of... Controlled entries were hard to come by for, I think, both teams, for the most part. I think both teams did a really good job defensively to stop the controlled entries and force dump-ins. But we just tried... They were just enforcing these controlled plays every time, and their penalty kill was smothering us consistently throughout the game, and especially on that first power play. I don't think we got a single chance that was good. Our best power play came at the end where we got no shots on net, but there was actually a solid shot attempt chance there. The other power plays? Nothing. Just absolutely nothing. Credit to the Cains, PAK there. They played an amazing game and they played an amazing game the entire night. Credit to them.

They are how you should play. They're the Huracanes.

They're the Hurricanes. They're the Hurricanes. The moment they went up, won nothing, it felt so safe, the entire game. There was 58 minutes to go left in the game, and I never felt that the Leaves really were dangerous at all. And that's not a good look for the Leafs, but it's a very good look for the Cains. They play such a good game, and hats off to Brenda Moore. I know they haven't had the gold ending this season.

And it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. They're still getting points.

The Cains are so good year in and year out. And I know there's a whole bunch of Cains fans in the chat. Welcome to Game Over. We're happy to have you. I hope you're having a good time. The Mo Chance leaves PP or a lot of terrible entries. The note I have under that, I'm not exaggerating. Fourth best power play team in the NHL, but we're probably the worst with entries.

Yeah, it feels like once we gain the zone, it's not too bad. But it's.

Just- It's the getting there.

And part of the issue with the double drop back pass, which we'll get into later, is also you have five guys just waiting at the line when the entry happens. And if it gets turned over-.

It's going the other way and it creates an all-man rush. And that's what happened five times tonight.

Yeah. I just hate it.

Like you said, credit where credits do, man. The Cains are a perennial playoff contender every year. When the Leaves lost in the second round last year, I was ready to go to war for the Cains and not even like the Cains, because they were just such a wagon. And they're so easy to root for because they always play like they give a damn. Even though they have what? The world's or the League's worst goal tending percentage right now. And the Leaves couldn't score until the third period. Honestly, credit to Kachek.

He had an amazing game. He did not look like the worst goal in the League at all.

I don't watch a lot of Hurricane's hockey, admittedly. If he plays like that, I would trade for him on my team. I would take Kachetkav over Samsonov at this point. I would take Kachetov's stick, which is discarded in front of the net over Ilias Samsonov right now.

He's such an aggressive goalie, which is honestly... He made two plays today where he jumped up super aggressive, and it just completely threw our forwards off. I don't know.

What has been with the least in the last couple of games where there's been the yawning net opportunities. The last three games, it's like they're allergic to scoring in those moments. Like other teams, it seems like as soon as one of those flurries happens, it's in the back of the net. Regardless of what team it is, if it's against the Leaves, the Leaves can't stop it. And the leaves can't make it go the other way. They can't capitalize on these opportunities where the goal is facing the wrong direction. There's two defensemen laying down and they're passing six feet wide of the net. I was actually so frustrated watching this fucking game tonight, man. I'm actually so cheased off right now. Oh, my God.

Well, we'll get to Martin because I think his worst comes when we have the- We'll get there. We'll get there. And I really hated his effort there. But before the period ends, the Cains came really close to making it to nothing when Brody makes a really stupid drop back pass in the Ozone and it results in an on-man rush. Matthews is one of the ones defending, and it actually goes through Jones and Matthews makes a phenomenal save, pretty much on the goal line, and then Riley dives in front of the net to ensure that the puck stays out. Brody owes Matthews some dinner on that play. That was a horrible play by Brody, and the biggest thing, and we talked about this briefly on yesterday's Game Over as well, is Brody hasn't really looked all that good recently. No. We need him to be good because he's on our top pairing and we really don't have anyone else to play with Riley right now. You can't really put Lillian in there, and McCabe and Benoît aren't really those guys either. We need Brody to play beyond his game and he's just-.

Making some bad decisions.

Making some bad decisions, and we'll get to that in the second goal as well, because I think he was a part of that too. Just a rough first period, I would say overall. It was fairly even in terms of shots, but again, I don't think we were that dangerous on any of them. I think they're just... Yeah. This is also considering that Kachetkov was playing somewhat hurt.

At least.

He was down for a long time and he stayed in the game. I thought that we would be able to do something with that. But yeah, he just stuck it out. He was good.

But no. One of the notes I have here is we were the Toronto Maples turnovers tonight. All we were missing was the icing because we could not play under pressure. And again, one of the notes I have under that is considering who are likely to play if we make the playoffs in that Boston, Florida, many of the other teams in the playoffs pay a very high pressure system, noticeably, the Leaps don't play well against that, which is problematic.

They.

Like to slow the game down a lot. It's not getting better. It's getting worse. We had a worse record in December, a 5, 4, and 4 record, getting 14 of a possible 26 points for an F grade if you went to school in Ontario. While they went seven, three, and 2 in November, I think considering the injuries that we had in November, we were feeling pretty good about ourselves thinking we're going to get.

Our defenseman back.

Absolutely. We're going to get our defenseman back. Goal tending is going to be not out of this world, but just nice and steady, happy with a 900 save percentage. It has just fallen off the face of the planet after the first week of December. We lost five of the last six, and I... I'm writing down my game notes to start the game tonight, and I write down game 35, and I'm like, I can't believe we're almost halfway through the season, and the Leaves are playing as shitty as they are. Like, oh, fudge, sickle. This isn't just a quick fix at this point.

But let's get to- And honestly, even before the six game stretch, where we played, I think we were one-four-one-one, the Leaves were really solid coming into the six game stretch. I feel like all of that goodwill has just gone out the window just because it's been just bad. It's not just losing when you're putting in a good game. These are all expected losses, the way they're playing. Obviously, Samsonov playing badly is part of that. Probably the biggest factor there. I can't blame the forwards and defenders on that. But at the same time, that's also he's part of your team. We're trotting him out there and we're playing him. He's on the roster. I don't know. It's a very worrying trend these past few games. But nonetheless, honestly, another thing that I didn't like with Keith at the end of the first period with 20 seconds to go, he put out the fourth line for an offensive zone draw. When it's 20 seconds to go, there's very little risk in terms of just put your best guys out there. There's 20 seconds left. I just didn't understand that, but nonetheless. We go into period two and we go down to nothing.

After another penalty, I think that went to Domi for holding. Another penalty that I don't think is necessarily isn't necessary for the Leafs to make, stupid penalty there. But yeah, Seth Jarvis makes it to nothing. Of course, that happens as well. For those who don't know, Seth Jarvis was the pick we gave Carolina for taking on Patrick Marlowe and buying him out. So that comes to bite us in the ass as well.

A little bit of salt and lime juice in your gut there. One of the notes I had regarding earlier in the period before, because the Carolina did go up, but it was like six minutes to go in the second. The Leaves could not... They were losing plot battles left and right. They were making so many poor pass choices from the beginning of the game. It got a little bit better as the game went on, but I don't know how many passes. There's literally notes I have, Carolina able to pass with minimal pressure. There were so many times where the Leaves just stopped trying or they stopped skating or they didn't have sticks in the lane. And again, credit where credits do like, Carolina plays this style where they're going to get in your face and they're going to get sticks in the lane. And the Leaves couldn't adapt. They couldn't find space. They couldn't change their past decisions. They couldn't be harder on the buck. They couldn't be better in the corners. Nothing was changing. They was like the definition of Insandy is doing the same thing over and over again. I'm expecting somebody to change.

And they played the same way. And it's crazy. At the end of the first period, the shots were 11-9 for Toronto. For Toronto, yeah. It felt like they got caved in. And similarly, at the end of the second period, the shots were 21-20 for Toronto. And again, the Leaves are down to nothing, and it felt like there was zero chance of them coming back in the game. In the second intermission or in the first intermission, I started writing down these stats of the leave status last month, this month, etc. And I put a solid five in the win column because I knew they weren't going to win this game just by how they were playing. Maybe they fight back, but it was just bullshit.

It was bullshit. It never looked dangerous. And we had a power play before they got the two-nothing goal. Again, nothing going. Just absolutely nothing going on that power play. Yeah. Marner made a bad pass and we lose the zone at one point. I think that happened early on, and we just struggled to gain the zone. The PK was just smothering them again. Again, the power play was over with no real chances that it looked dangerous. That is something that needs to be fixed. You need to be able to adapt to a higher pressure and aggressive team. If we're planning on going deep, we're probably going to see Florida at some point. They are an aggressive team. They will pressure you on the buck. And Martin is a guy who loves to slow things down and play to his pace, which is fine if the defending team gives you that pace. Otherwise, he's making stupid passes under pressure. If he's doing that, we're screwed. He is our primary distributor on the power play. The fact that he got so stifled and it might have just been a bad game, obviously, Martin is a fantastic player, but I don't know, I feel like it's a trend.

We're seeing this happen again and again where high pressure teams just completely stifle the Leaves' entries and the Leaves cycle game. It's just really annoying. But on that two-nothing goal, Brody, ugly play. He was too aggressive at the line. The block gets past him, which creates a two-on-one. I think it was McCabe tries to block the pass, doesn't get into it. And then I think it was Marner who was trying to get the time.

Do you see? I actually have the note I have on the Seth Jarvis goal is Marner Soft. Because he did like, I don't normally compare these two players, but everybody the last couple of games is talking about how William Nielander on that one play literally just leaned it with the stick. That was Mitch Marner on this play tonight. He did the same fucking thing. The goddamn same thing. And what's Keith going to do? He's going to come out, Well, Mitch had a great night. No, he fucking didn't. And you're not going to bench him because you're a fucking coward.

Well, that's the thing. You can't really bench Marner because- Why not?

Why not? You can. But it would cause a lot of distractions, potentially. So I understand why they don't want to do that. That's shit. But Marner needs to get a kick in the butt for today, 100 %. It was an awful effort.

I actually think, listen, I know that game last night, even though I wasn't on Game Over, I obviously watched the game. I have to for continuum purposes. We need to talk about, and I know this is again talking about last game, we need to talk about how bad Mitch Marner is in overtime. He is unfucking reliable this season. At no point in overtime last night did the pocket on his stick and was he able to make a successful pass. At no point. It was so bad. It was comically comical how awful it was. It was so bad. And then he comes in tonight and he plays this way. And is the reason they lost? Maybe not. But he was certainly a contributing factor.

I think he was the main contributing factor. He was awful. If William.

Nielander and Austin Matthew start overtime last night with Jake McCabe, the Leaves win it, not Mitch Martin. He shouldn't be playing with Austin Matthews at this point. There's too many passes to nowhere. There's too many. There's at least a dozen of game where he... Where at some point he has the buck and he makes stupid decisions. Earlier in the game, where is it? I have it written down here. Oh, could check out hurt. Puck off the crossbar. Marner tried to go one on four and has zero chance because Carolina is playing in a diamond the size of a small SUV in front of him. And it's like, stop trying to be Connor McDavid. You're not him. I'm sorry, you're not. And you're trying to make these hero plays. And we don't always need... You need to be like, Mr. Creative going to pull something out of your ass and throw it across the board. Make a safe, predictable play. Make something that is simplistic. Because if you don't keep it simple, then you have games like this, and it becomes magnified, because he makes $11 million. And tonight, Matt Zomi played better than Mitch Martin tonight, and he makes a third of the money.

Straight up. Yeah, I think every other leaf played better than Mitch Martin tonight. He just had a really, really, a bad game. And with Mitch Martin, when he has a bad game, he's also probably the guy who touches the buck the most. He is one of the main distributors on our team. And yeah, just a lot of passes to nowhere. A lot of passes where there were sticks and lanes and there was clearly no option there. A lot of area passes where we didn't have any body positioning to get to the buck first.

It was just terrible.

I'm curious to see what the stats are in terms of turnovers that were given to him. But yeah, it was a rough game for him, and it's all the worst, especially on that play where he was soft on the 2-0 goal. Because you see a guy like Sebastian Aho later in the third period dive to block a pass that would have been a sure goal. We were soft on pretty much both goals in terms of positioning and in terms of effort. That's the first two goals at least. Actually, all goals. Even the empty net goal was awful. But yeah, nonetheless, it's annoying. It's annoying and it's frustrating to watch as a fan when the Leaves are playing as badly as they have been these past six games.

Yeah, consistently badly.

Yeah, they had one good game these past six games, and it was against Columbus. That's a team you should be beating every time, and we've lost the season series to them.

It's so bad. I actually said on a game- It's not acceptable. I said on a game over that I was on recently, I don't remember which one it was because at some point, they do all start to blend in. It's a good thing that the Leaves aren't in the Metro, because they wouldn't be in the playoffs, because they can't play against shitty teams to save their life. I don't know what is in the water. I don't know what they're not doing. I don't know. And this is like an ongoing problem. This problem existed, like for everybody that's saying Clare feet, I'm not saying it's the worst idea, but this existed before Keeve was the coach.

Yeah, there are three, five and three against bottom seven teams this season, which is- Pitiful. -walking unacceptable.

It's pitiful.

Three, five, and three against the bottom seven teams.

It's wild to me. Our best line tonight was the Domi nick Robertson line.

Honestly, I think nick Robertson, aside from a couple of shifts where he was pretty poor with buck management, I thought he had a pretty solid game and he got rewarded at the end after Kachekov absolutely robbed him, but it was still a goal. Honestly, I thought after yesterday, all four of our guys were rolling that game. They gave us a chance to win when Samson was completely assed. But today, I don't think any of them looked particularly good. Nielander included, Tavares included, and Matthews included. Matthews had a couple of chances here and there, but.

He didn't get lucky today, but he also saved a goal. He also saved a goal. If you're going to rank the best of the top. It would be like Morgan, Riley, Austin, Matthews, a couple of third and.

Fourth liners. Then way.

Lower of Mitch Marner. And then Caveris, Nielander, a couple more players, Mitch Marner. It was just bad. Credit where credits do, the Leaves do manage to stave off being shut out. Timothy Lillian returning from injury a couple of weeks ago, gets his first goal since April of earlier this year, right after. And you got to give it to the League fans, man. If you stayed on that long and Lillian scores, they had the goalies go chance going in. At that point, it's a 2-1 game. It's still winnable. Oh, absolutely. And the Lillian scores four minutes and 60 minutes in, and even if earlier in the game they didn't look like they're going to win, they have been the comeback kids of this season. So there's a chance that maybe they tie and push it to overtime. And I was expecting an overtime loss at that point if they were going to do it. And then Burns trips, Gregor, the Leaves get another power play with 953 to go. They can't do anything. I have my note under that is just Benchmaner. Leaves get zero shots.

Yeah, we got zero shots. And then with a trip.

With minutes and 15 seconds to go. If you want to make a statement, Keith, oh, you're not going to take this shit anymore, then bench the kid. Yeah, if we're talking about mistakes- We know that you can't handle it. We know that we can't... We know that Mitch Marner, for all of his bubbliness and blah, blah, blah, blah, can take literally zero, like.

Destructive criticism- Yeah, that's a.

Whole other issue, man. Falling into an emo hole in the corner of the closet. Talk shit, man. You're a grown ass man, and you can't take your boss telling you you sucked at work today.

We do have an issue with, at least Matthews and Marner. Anytime they get criticism, it becomes a big hoopla within the team, and then Keith has to come out and be like, has to clarify his words. I do agree. Honestly, Marner, if we're talking about mistakes that took, baby shit. I don't think he had a really good shift at all today, and he had, I want to say, three or four really bad shifts. Honestly, a bit of positivity here. Lilligren does get his first goal, and it was a beauty catch and release shot, so congrats to him. Domi also made a great play to set it up. Then after Martin took the penalty. With four minutes to go, we were down one. That's pretty much ice is it already.

But.

Instead, when he comes back with the empty net, he makes a really dumb pass. Bertuzzi ends up bailing him out by blocking him an empty net goal. And then he comes back and makes another really dumb pass that gets picked off by, I think it was Aho. Aho beats Nielander. Nielander also soft on that play, in my opinion. It's an open net breakaway. Obviously, he's scoring. And that the game up until seven seconds to go, where Robertson gets a meaningless goal. But congrats, Robertson.

Here's my question. Does the goal happen at seven seconds or does it happen at 9.8? Because that's when the time went back to... 9.8. I'm just trying to talk about good things that happened to the Leaves at this point. That's how far I have to split hairs, because I have nothing good to say about this game. I don't know if I've ever been this pissed off and sworn so much on a game over.

Since last year. Honestly, to cap it off with 9.8 seconds to go when we need a good entry, Marner fucks up the entry, and we end up being offside and just killing all of that time. It's so bad. The entire time. Obviously, with 9.8 seconds to go, I'm not expecting them to score, but it was just to cap off an annoying and frustrating night. It was just another stupid.

Fucking- It was the most turt on top.

Wasn't it? Yeah, exactly. It was just bad. Honestly, yeah, it's stupid hockey, in my opinion. We could talk about Martin a lot, and I think he deserves a lot of criticism for today.

I don't think- I think that we should- Go ahead. Sorry. No, no, no, no.

I was just saying, I don't think any Leaf played particularly well today. In terms of expected goals, I know that the Matthews line and the Neil-Lander line both were positive in that regard, at least on five on five. But most of this game was decided outside of five on five, and even in five on five, we really didn't generate anything particularly dangerous. The Cains played it absolutely perfectly in terms of defending a lead. That's a pitch perfect way of how to defend a lead. The Leaves could not adapt. I think that's not only on Marner, I think that's on Keith. I think that's on all of our forwards and defensemen. Nothing else to say. It was a bad and frustrating game.

Yeah. If you're watching, I'm just going to get a quick while you have your water, if you're watching, please make sure you hit like, make sure you hit subscribe if you're not subscribed to STPN. Welcome to Game over. We're happy to here. Whether you're a Caines fan, whether you're a Leaves fan, or whether you're just here to watch us scream into the void, we are happy to have you. So if you could hit the like button, that would be great. Make sure you get your questions in, actually, because we're probably going to hit the press conference pretty soon, because I don't really want to talk about this game anymore because it was awful. Like credit where credits do. I said it twice already this stream. The Cains could not have played more of a Cain game. They deserve to win. The Leaves deserve to lose, and that's how it ended. They lose three to two to cap off a shitty month of December, getting 14 of 26 points with again, if you went to elementary school in Ontario, that is a fail. You do not pass that class if you get 14 out of 26.

So you know, it's scary, man. I actually I was thinking about this earlier, like before the game started just based on how the Leaves have been playing lately. Since Lillian and I know he got a gold tonight, since Lillian and Gio Dan have come back, the Leaves have not played well defensively.

Yeah, I think part of that, I think, is goal hunting to some degree, like Gio yesterday. I think yesterday they were fined defensively for the most part, and Sam, just could not make a save to save his life. But it is tough because the mistakes we do make.

Are pretty drastic.

They're not mistakes where you expect it not to go in. You know what I mean? The mistakes we make are leaving guys open right in front of the net, like the bunting goal or being too aggressive on a pinch and allowing an odd man rush, and it's a two on one, and the guy in front is left open again, and that's the Dervis goal. We can expect our goalies to make saves every once in a while, like we said with Samsonov, you just need to make a save. But I do agree that the Leaves defense tonight, the mistakes they made, but yeah, it's tough. It just hasn't been good enough.

Yeah, it hasn't been good enough. I don't know if at this point, I don't know if the answer is in the room. I don'tt think it is. I don't think it is. I don't think it is. I think earlier in the season- Yeah, tree of the be is going to have to do some work. I think earlier in the season, we have a seventh, 3, and 2 November. I think for the most part, these fans, we weren't like, pounding our chest and saying, Here we come for the the division title or anything like that. But we were feeling decent. We had good feelings about going into the future. I don't want to get any closer to the fucking playoffs than we are right now, especially with how we're playing. It's not a good vibe right now. I imagine that the leaves dressing room is probably feeling that too. I imagine with all of the compounded issues regarding our goal tending, it's probably pretty fucking toxic in there right now. They just a bunch of days off for the holidays and everything, and they come back and that's the coal in the stalking, man.

Honestly, you saw the frustration today. When Matthew took that penalty and he whipped around and just slapped the buck- Oh, yeah. And the.

Cains love it. They love it. And Cains fans, you love it. Congratulations. You won the game. You won how you wanted to. And the Leaves fell into your trap. We didn't. As fans, we didn't fall into the trap. The Leaves did. And if they continue to play this way, they're going to keep losing and they're going to fall out of a playoff spot and maybe not making the playoffs is what this team's Leaves deserves, because there has been some good things that have happened this year, and there has been a lot of shit. And some of that is based on decisions that were made in the offseason regarding the general manager, regarding trades that were and weren't supposed to happen. I think if you give a lot of Leaves fans a magic wand and the ability to go back to a couple of days before July first, then maybe they show up at Kyle Dubis' house and say, Hey, keep your fucking mouth shut so that we can trade Mitch Marner. Because right now that's not working and looking like the worst option in hindsight. And they said to the...

I don't want to be too reactionary to a six games kid. But at the same time, when I look at this team overall, I can't say that they're better than last year. You know what I mean? Not even though. I honestly can't say that. And today, if the playoffs were to start today, we would be facing the Florida Panthers round one.

Fuck that.

I don't want to watch that. I honestly don't know if we could beat them in our current state. Absolutely not. And obviously, this is considering a lot of things. Wall has been out. He is our starting goaltender. We've been essentially playing our third-stringer because our backup has sucked. We've had a decimated decor, but since they've been back, we haven't been any much better. We've been losing games where we should be winning. Our next four games, the next one is against the Kings, but then it's Ducks, Sharks, Sharks. This is your chance to pick yourselves up and get some fucking wins. Because if you go on a bad skid coming into January, these next four games and you lose against the goddamn San Jose Sharks, then I don't know what to tell you. Then something really needs to happen. You can't skid for this long, because if you skid for this long in the playoffs, you're done. We would have been swept essentially in our past four games. You know what I mean? It's not acceptable.

And I'm not normally a Nihilistic leap fan. If it's your first time here and you've never seen me talk about the Leaps before, please go back and watch other streams, because I'm normally like, I can find Silver linings and a lot of this shit. I'm fed up tonight, guys. I am fed up with their shit. I am fed up with having to watch games like that. I am fed up with knowing going into a game, oh, they should win this game, which means they're probably going to lose. My boss told me a couple of weeks ago that he was going to give me the company seats for a game. I'm nervous about going because I'm like, It could be shit, which I hope it isn't, and I'm glad they'll be free. If they do, when I do go. But on no given night, is it like, Oh, we're playing this team. We know it's going to be a Slam dunk. Good game. We know it's going to be a Slam dunk.

I always get more nervous when we play a bottom team.

For all the that are like, Oh, the Leaves Barn is so quiet. You know why it's quiet? It's because every fucking fan in there that has paid for those tickets has probably paid substantial amount of money for them, and they're holding their breath. So they can't chat because they're going blue in the face, waiting for the other shoe to drop. And games like Tonight are the reason why. Games like Tonight are the reason why people say, I'm not going to take my kid to a Leaves game because I don't know what's going to happen and they're probably going to lose on the game that I go to. I don't fall to these fans for feeling that way. Listen, Arman, I'm sorry I've been so pissed off, or nightistic tonight. I'm not normally this fighty, but I'm legitimately so cheese at our team right now. I'm beside myself. I have a day-to-day hang these jerseys back up tonight as the game is happening. I'm like, I don't want to put this shit up, because they don't even deserve to have this with how they're playing lately. Oh, this five game losing streak and six games, it's not a big deal.

I'm pretty sure Edmonton fired their coach over that.

Not.

Saying that we should be as reactionary, but Craig Maruby is a San the Cup winning coach. I'm just saying.

I don't know what's going to happen with Keith. I don't think he gets fired. He literally got extended, which is another thing, but I don't know. To me, I don't think he's getting fired. I don't know if that's the right decision or not, but I just don't think it's going to happen.

I don't think it's going to happen either, but I.

Don't- But they need to figure out something. They need to figure out something. It's just unacceptable the.

Way that- Someone needs to sit Mitch Marner down and make him cry. Not make him cry and hurt him, but sit him down and say something that he's maybe going to be uncomfortable with that maybe he needs to just learn to deal with.

Listen, if you- I think he tries too hard.

Every time- If you're an adult and you have a job, at some point in your adult life, your boss has pulled you aside and given you some feedback that maybe you didn't like hearing but you probably at some point needed to hear. And it just sounds like Mitch Mariner can't take that.

At all. Yeah. I don't know. He just tries too hard. I think he tries to go for the hero play way too often, and he holds on to the buck for way too long.

Tries way too hard to make fancy plays.

Yeah. Sometimes the simple play is the right play, and you see Tavares make the simple play pretty much every time. Honestly, with the way it's going, I say split Matthews and Marner again. Put Nielander back with Matthews. Try to get something fucking going with these guys because today was a wash. It was just a bad game.

Ben Huffman in the chat, make much Marner wash the Amazon series again. There you go, Ben. I like where you're thinking, sir. That's a man of knowledge there.

I just hate it because I want this team to go far in the playoffs. Like every Leaves fan, obviously. Yeah. And it's just hard to see them doing it when we've had no playoff success. I need more chocolate for this. Every regular season, there's a stretch. There's just at least one stretch within the season where they look completely dejected and everyone is just like, This is going to be the playoffs. It's going to happen in the playoffs. There are going to be teams that stifle you defensively, and you're going to have to adapt and figure out a way to break through their defense and do something fucking different to try and actually get chances. And just consistently, when we've been shut down, when our talk guys have been shut down, we cannot find different ways to create chances. I think partially we need to at least utilize the rush chances more, get Nielander and guys like Gregor and McMahon to utilize those rush chances, because I feel like we don't really do that too often. And when a team is playing as aggressively as the Cains are, it might not be a great idea to circle back and then try to find a way, because they don't give you a way.

They don't give you anything.

They don't give you.

Any space. You have to capitalize on the rush chances you have. I just feel like we do not generate enough rush chances.

That was something that I took away from the Florida series, not the Tampa series, the actual Florida series. How opportunistic and how successful Florida is on those opportunities. It is series changing. And the Leaps ability to create turnovers going the other way, if they could create as many turnovers and rush chances for themselves as they give up to the other team, we would have a winning record in December, a hundred %. And it's just not like, maybe that's where the whole like, oh, it's the systems thing, and it's a coach thing. And if that's true, then you have my blessing to fire Sheldon Keiff. But I just feel like it's not a systems problem. It's at this point a personnel problem, where instead of trying to make a smart play, they're trying to do a spin-around pass, they're trying to make something, trying to do the hard pass because, oh, it'll be more successful if it gets through. No, man. Sometimes you just need a solid sauce or pass across to your guy. You don't need to try and put it through your legs. You don't need to try and put it through the other team's legs.

Just create a half foot of space and put the buck on his stick.

Yeah, sometimes it's, yeah, I don't know. It's very annoying to talk about. I noticed Domi does that a decent amount too, in terms of trying to make the creative plan and ends up in a turnover. Although I think Domi had a good game today.

He does do that, but he doesn't actually create, at least from what I've tried to pay attention to, because I know that that's a comparison that's made a lot. Domi is more likely to make a risky play, but he's also more likely to change the decision and make a smarter play. The Lillian Grin play that led.

To- That was such a good pass.

What a beautiful pass. It was such a good pass. And maybe nine times out of 10, he makes a different choice. But in that moment, he made the right one. And it just feels like Mitch is not having the ability to make those snap decisions and make the better pass choice when push comes to shove, and when the opposing team defenseman is bearing down on him. Maybe that's the difference between a player like Max Domi and Mitch Marner. Maybe that's part of the gap that divides them, is that when Max Domi is being beared down on, he doesn't panic or turn around and spin away. He'll take a check on the front to make the successful pass, and Mitch just won't. He'll try to move out of the way. He ends up turning it over. The other team gets it, they go the other way, they get a scoring opportunity. Right now with our goal tending, they usually get a goal to.

Go with it. I don't know what to do with Mitch, because if you trade him, I think you lose that trade. Mitch, as a player, is really good. Sure. You're not going to get a really good player of that elite value back, unless it's a Huberto for Kachuk-.

He plays left-wing, I already checked.

-and that's not worked out.

Huberto plays left-wing, I already checked.

It's tough to get an elite player for an elite player. You need circumstances to work out. In that case, you're going to get maybe two good guys or some cap space or whatever, picks. But we're just not in a position where I think... I don't know. I don't know what we do with Mitch, because it's annoying and it's handcuffing this team with so much cap being poured into our top four guys. And when they're not going and when they're playing poorly and they're actively being a negative to the team, it's just can't really do much with them.

I'm not ignoring you. I'm looking at comparisons.

I'm literally trying to try- We are going to.

Get to the press conference now. Let's go to Matt.

I'm asking Jacob ForgeRock. Not a bad idea.

Jacob Warwick, he's not playing, is he?

I'm literally just going down cat-friendly. I have people that are making relatively similar money.

How have the wheels completely fallen off? If these next four games go poorly, will that be enough for Keith to finally be fired? Again, don't think so. Keith was extended in the offseason. I think that Tree Living has faith in him, and I think his at least regular season record is really good, and that'll keep him... I don't know if that's the best idea, but I don't see the organization firing him, even if these next four games go badly. I see them making a roster move before they fire Keith.

I agree. I don't think anything is off the table at this point. They did resign him, sure. I think that if they had their way, then the leaves would turn it around. I agree with you. I think they make a roster move before they fire Keith. But if they make a roster move and things continue to slide, then no one's job is safe to some degree.

Yeah, I agree. Honestly, the roster move, it's hard to figure out what they're going to do. They might go for defense, they might go for a goalie. I think the Samsonov situation definitely muddies the waters here. If we had Samsonov firing like he did last year and you put up a 9-19.

I.

Don't think we would be here talking about making a roster move, to be honest. Obviously, Jones was in today and there are issues with the roster, but a lot of this bad stretch comes from pretty poor goal tending. The Cains also obviously know about this, Cains fans, because you guys have struggled lately, but when the gold heading is good, turns out you're a pretty good team. I do think part of this is goaltending, and if we get some good gold heading, obviously today, withstanding, we were just suck today, but over the stretch, if we got some good gold heading, our record would probably be a little better. I don't know.

Just before you move on, I know you said that we're doing the Kings, Ducks, Sharks, and the Sharks. If you're watching this and you're a Leaves fan, you're probably... It's probably still pretty fresh in your memory how the Leaves California Roadtrip has gone the last few seasons. I'm not usually one to quote Marie Condo, but that doesn't really spark any joy knowing that that's coming.

Yeah. And the Kings are going to be the toughest opponent, but I'm more scared for the Sharks. You know what I mean? I'm just more as scared about facing the Sharks. Did you see the Raptors stuff today?

I'm not even an NBA fan, and it's unavoidable.

Yeah. They lost to the Detroit Pistons, who were on a 28 game losing streak.

Again, I hope you bet against Toronto.

I hope in the Toronto blood. Honestly, I'm worried about this road trip, especially because it's already a tough road trip. You're going to essentially cross the country, the furthest place you could go for Leaves, and they just need to show up.

Is there anyone on the Sharks that we could trade Marner for? No.

There's a hurdle.

I'm full-blown- I'm drinking the trade Kool-Aid to let me.

Tell you. I just don't think you could trade Marner. I legit don't think you can make a deal with another team where you get something as good as Marner back. You know what I mean? His contract is already an issue, so you're starting off on the wrong foot there. And just players of his caliber don't get traded. No, I know. I would have loved to trade him for fucking Matthew Kachuk when the Huberdo deal happened. That would have been amazing, but the tough go.

Let's not think about trades that are long since impossible, unfortunately.

There's a comment here from GSM about Marner. He says Marner is getting a raise from the leaves during the off-season extension law. I'm actually curious what happens with his next contract. Do you think the number goes up?

He had to bet or not.

Why?

Why would it go up?

What have you done? Yeah, but I think he's probably going to argue that it should go up, but I don't think it should either. I'm just like-.

I think if he argues, Oh, Mike, my cap should go up, I think that they should pull the game tape from tonight.

The problem is the cap ceiling is going up by whatever, $4 million or some shit.

And we've already basically given most of that to Austin Matthews. Austin. Yeah. Tough cookies, honey. And Austin deserves it.

But yeah, it's a matter, I think, of accountability. I will be very upset if he ends up with a cat pit over $11 million. I just don't think he's at that level. And I think he could be, but in terms of accounting for your playoff success and all that stuff, he's just not at that level, along with the rest of these $11 million players.

Will Parks in the chat, You can't try to play outside on the canes. We love to keep you to the outside. Got to take the checks. I agree. And unfortunately, teams in the Eastern division, in the Eastern Conference that make it to the playoffs, play that way. So if you can't take the heat, get out of the Eastern Conference.

Another good comment, commander, Brandford, I assume that's commander, doesn't Martyr have a limited no-trade clause? I believe he does. I think he has a no-move clause, actually. I don't think moving him is an option.

Scratch him. Maybe he'll ask for it.

Honestly, I don't think scratching him will work. I just think he'll be worse, because he's just not the type of player that responds well to that. It seems that it draws this... I don't know. I don't know what to do with him. It is very annoying.

The first thing that you need to do is take him off Austin Matthews' wing. That's the first thing. Yeah, that's what I think too. But William.

Nielander, where he's supposed to be. Stop giving him Matthews.

Matthews.

And Nielander works. Just use it.

It was not broken. Don't fix it.

Yeah, when Matthews and Marner aren't clicking. It's just use Matthews and Nielander. It's right there. They should have done that midway through this game. They should have been like, Yeah, like Marner, you're not playing well. We're giving Matthews and Nielander. Figure your shit out. You know.

One of the things that I actually really noticed about Matthews and Nielander versus Matthews and Marner is that when Matthews... Yeah, sorry. I told you I'm sick. When Matthews and Nielander aren't playing well together, they're still creating opportunities, and they're not creating scoring chances the other way. When Matthews and Marner are playing together and they're not playing well, it's bad. It's really bad. At least when Marner is playing with Taveris, if Marner makes a bad pass, to some degree can usually corral the correction, and it doesn't become such a gaping, festering chest wound so quickly. Whereas it seems like when Matthews and Marner play together, when something goes bad, it's like getting a shot with a cannonball in the chest. It just completely not only does it create an opportunity, but it is basically like a guaranteed scoring chance going the other way because of the way that they play together. It's just not smart defensively to put them together. Because when they're going and it's great, we all know it's great. But when it's not going great, it's atrocious. And at least when you have Matthews and Neilender and they play together, if they're on an off night, one of them might have a bad night.

Maybe Liam Neylander doesn't skate as hard as he can, which is something that has been a problem in the past and has shown its head lately. But for the majority of the season has not been the case.

Yeah. It is- I agree.

It is cosmically different about how much it impacts play when those two aren't connecting versus the other two that aren't connecting. I didn't notice it until tonight. I was like, You need to pull him off of Matthews and never let him have it again. Because why are you rewarding a player that has played shitty to end the game last night? He played shitty tonight. And if he's on the first line again, whatever it is next week or in the new year when they play again, we're going to lose our fucking minds even worse than tonight. And I'll be glad that I'm not on that stream. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, honestly, I agree. And it's just unacceptable with how much cap they're taking up. That's the biggest thing, and I think it's going to be a sour note for their entire contracts, is that they took as much as they could. You look at Sebastian Ajo, and what is he making?

Like seven or something, right?

Yeah, it's 8.5, I think.

That's great. Good for you, Sebastian Ajo.

Good for Carolina. I think his contract in the future is going to be less than 10 million for eight years, the extension. Do you think Marner is going to take less than 10 million in his next contract that he signs this offseason? No chance. He's not going to take less than 10.

I want to see who's going to be a free agent at the end of the season. Again, I'm just full of realistic. It's just annoying. Maybe it's the cough medicine that I'm feeling so fighty. I don't know what it is, but I'm ready to fight someone thishere.

Yeah. I just think they need to change something about their lineups. I just think we keep on trotting out the same shit. When they're not working, adapt. Change stuff during the game as well. It shouldn't have to be, We didn't generate anything tonight. There has to be some way you can adapt your lineup to make it difficult for the opposing team to have to adapt to what your changes are. You would think. It's annoying that when we do get stifled, nothing changes. We just keep doing the same strategy, and it keeps not working and then the game ends.

Oh, my God. You know what I want?

It's just rough.

You know what I want? What? I can't believe I'm going to say this. It makes me sick that I'm able to say this, but it's not even really a question. You know who I want? I want them to let Mitchmarter walk, and I want them to sign Sam Reinhardt.

Sam Reinhardt is not getting-.

I.

Know.

I know. He's going to.

Be signing to Florida. He's on a 54 goal.

Based- I know. I know. I know. I know. You. I know.

But hey- But he's not coming to Toronto if anything.

I know. But if you could give me a magic wand, that's what I would do. I'm just saying. Yeah.

I don't know. It leaves a sour taste in my mouth every time I look at their catfits, and I look at what they're going to ask for, and the playoff success we've had, and what other teams are signing their stars for. You look at a guy like Matthews and he's worth the money like he is, but it's just other people who are worth the money take less. We have the guys who don't, and it's annoying. Every time they have a bad game, it's really fucking annoying.

I'm not against having a player or two on your team that makes a lot of money, but you need money to pay your other guys. Tonight, and someone in the chat actually earlier said it, the Cains are a depth team. Absolutely. All four lines are scoring danger. If you compare the Cains fourth line to what they had tonight on the least, which was what? Like, McCann, Gregor, and-.

In.

Homeburg. -in homeburg. Bunch of League Minners.

Yeah. And you have like, Jessper Fast on the other team.

Yeah, who actually didn't even finish the game, right? He actually left at the end of the first period. But all the best to.

Jessper Fast. But it's like Seth Jarvis on their third line with Jordan Stall. That's an amazing center and right-winger for your third line. I know we have Domis pretty solid and Robertson is one of the best. It's not a bad third line, but in terms of the depth that Carolina has, we have the... Robertson is obviously a League Min player. Nise is a League Min because they're on their entry-level contracts. That's not going to be the case even next year. Robertson's ELC ends this year. He's an RFA. He's going to get a bump. It's very hard to work around the edges every time. I know we have this conversation all the damn time with the cat hits of our top four, but it needs to be said. It does hamstring us. And when they suck, like today, when Martyr sucked, it is just sour grapes. How can you have a good feeling as a leaf fan when you know they took everything they could? And then on top of that, they're not performing on a consistent basis at the level that they should. It's just...

Yeah. And this is all to say that maybe if three weeks ago, Josephal doesn't get hurt and Iliya, Samsonov is getting League, Median, goal tending, maybe we're having a different conversation. We probably won't have this conversation. And I'm not screaming and swearing my face off on.

The interview. I don't think the season is over.

I don't think we're being that negative. I don't think the season is over, but I think that the ground is awful soft and people have got some shovels, and it's not outit's not out of their own possibility that the Leaves should things continue to slide the way they are, that the wheels do fall off the wagon and the train goes careening off the tracks. I think that it could go either way at this point in the season, which is not exactly the volatility that you want from a team that you are hoping is contending for a Stanley Cup.

Yeah, the margin for error for this team is low from a fan-based perspective, and reasonably so. They have not had playoff success for the 20 years. We had our first series win last year and we got knocked out in the second round in five games. Understandably, people are losing their patience with this team. And if they go on a bad skid and it lasts more than three, four games, that's frustrating. That shouldn't happen to a contender. It really shouldn't. And if it does happen to a contender, they usually change something because it's an indication that maybe you're not that good. I have faith that they're going to make the playoffs. I have faith that they're probably going to play the team that they played in the first round pretty hard and they might win.

You're right. I have more faith than I do right now. That's not good enough. I don't have that much.

Faith right now. Even then, that's the best I can do is say, Hey, you might win the first round. Do you think that's good enough for a cup aspiration team? We're talking about someone who you have literally the best goal score in the entire league by a large margin. Right now, 29 fucking goals on the season, and we're talking about, hey, maybe they get out of the first round.

Yay.

Maybe they make the playoffs at this point.

It's annoying. Not a serious franchise right now.

We have so much talent and it's just...

It.

Feels like we're wasting everything.

Yeah, and it's probably the worst part of all of this is that we do have some of the best players that we've had on this team for a long time, people that are probably going to set leaf records that are going to stand for a long time. I think a large part of this fan base, myself included, thinks that it's like watching a boat parade go by, and then you just watch it slow down the current, and then it becomes something that you talk about that you saw one day.

Honestly, it's-.

That's what it feels like.

It is really annoying, because Mitch, even in this down year, I think he's literally a point per game. Yeah, he's 38 points in 34 games. It's not like he's not producing very well. He is producing well. It's just a matter of when these games happen where it's tough to go to bat for him. It's tough to turn around and say, Hey, it's just an off game, because it happens too often and he makes too much goddamn money. It's hard to go to bat when he's actually hurting the team just by the nature of how the cap is structured. And it's annoying, I get it. It's just how the league works. But what are you supposed to do with that?

What you're supposed to do is you're supposed to put your little boat emojis for the tugboat parade chat. That's what you're supposed to do. That's the real answer. I don't know that we have the answer, and I don't think least management does, and I don't know if the players do.

Yeah, Keith on tonight's performance, this is from nick Harden on Twitter. Oh, no. Oh, God.

I'll say it- Am I going to need more chocolate for this?

I'll put a turtle. Team played hard. Team played well. Five on five, I liked our game a lot defensively. We did not give up very much at all. That's two games in a row now that we've given up very, very little at five on five, but obviously we couldn't score. And to be fair to Keith, at five on five, I don't think they were bad. I do think they didn't really give much up, but that doesn't matter. You were down, won nothing right at the start of the game. You need to push for offense, and we did not have any offense. That's the killer here, is like that would be an okay statement to make, and it is an okay statement to make overall, but it would be a statement that I'd be somewhat okay with if the game were tied for most of the game. If we weren't down, if it was a close game throughout, but we got scored on two minutes in. Five on five doesn't mean shit when you lose the game in special teams. The special teams sucked today. Stucked. Absolute ass. We had opportunities. That was the worst showing I've ever seen from our team when we pulled the goalie and it was six on five.

That was the worst I've ever seen them play. Murder two, three times fucked it up with that empty net. It's annoying. It's especially annoying because we actually scored a damn goal with nine seconds to go. Brutal. Just brutal.

But it is what it is. I don't even want to... If... He's just going to say shit like that, I don't even want to watch the postgame interviews. If you're just going to spoonfeed me shit and then tell me that it's ice cream, I.

Don't- You got to manage the media, and I understand that as well. That's why I don't really like looking at those because I hope that's not what he's saying in the room. I don't really care what you say in the media, but at the same time, yeah, it's frustrating to look at as a fan. Geo said we got to get those penalties killed, and that would be great if we had one of our top penalty killers in the lineup, but he was scratched.

Against the team. Did he say that?

No, he didn't say that.

I thought he said that.

Oh, my God. The quote ended, We got to get those.

Penalties killed. I was about to go buy a Jordano jersey.

Imagine if he said that. That would cause such a fucking huge shit show. But yeah.

It's true, though.

It is true.

What are you proving, man?

We knew the game, Powerplay was good, and it's like, Why are you scratching one of our best penalty guys?

Like, cut your left arm off and then complain that you can't drive too handed. Fuck off. Sorry. I'm swearing a lot tonight. It's the cold medicine.

I'm sorry. Another positive note. I do think Martin Jones had a good game. I thought none of the goals were really his fault, and he gave us every chance to win.

They were tough opportunities. I don't know. If we go back to the Bunting goal. The buck got out so fast and he was in a good position and Michael Bunting puts a top shelf, that's a hard save to make. And even the Seth Jarvis save, it's a good shot, man. And again, it comes out so quickly and it's on the power play. That's a game where the Leaves needed to be better defensively, but they needed to not take so many stupid penalties, and that was reason number one that they lost, I guess. Because if the Carolina Hurcanes don't get those two penalties, then it's 1-1 in the third period.

Or.

1-0 in.

The third period. It is what it is. I don't think camp was the biggest factor here, but at the same time, it is just annoying that two power play goals went in and we didn't.

Have one of our best defensive centers. It's not that I thought... I don't think the Leaves lost because David Camp didn't play, but probably contributing factor when two of the goals that were scored against you were on your power play and he's probably your most consistent penalty killer.

Yeah, it is what it is. Contributing factor. We'vewe've been going for over an hour, so we should probably end it here. Thank you guys for watching. Appreciate you all in the chat.

Hopefully, I'm not sick this time I stream you all.

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Make sure that you put a comment down below, actually. I want to actually know what was your best hockey memory of... Before we sign off here, what was the best hockey memory you had of 2023, Arman?

Oh.

The Tavares.

I mean, the Tavares series winner. I went fucking nuts. That was the happiest I've.

Ever been. I think that was pretty good. I think the game five for me might actually be better just because I was in Maypleve Square when they tied it and came back and won in game five.

That was amazing.

That was pretty spectacular. That was amazing. So that's probably my top one.

2023, all in all, a decent year for the Sands. Put a bow on it.

Yeah. 2023, say thanks very much, escort it to the door and let's hope for an even better 2024, shall we?

Yeah, absolutely. And have a good New Year, everyone.

Absolutely. Be safe, everybody. Peace out. Game over.