Transcript of Nick Foles In Studio, Week 15 Picks And Preview With Bonus Hank Conspiracy Corner, TNF Clunker + Fyre Fest of The Week

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Today is Friday, December 13th. And, boys, that was a tough, tough watch. And PFTU should be nervous, and I should be nervous because the Rams are now 86.

Yeah. The game was terrible. Terrible. That was a it's a bad game. It was raining pretty hard for the first half, but it looked like neither team could they couldn't get the ball going on the ground.

They couldn't get the ball going in the passing game. Nothing happened in the first half. Nothing. That's like the first game that I can remember where absolutely nothing happened in the half. Puka Nakuwa made a good catch.

The camera misidentified a player as being Trent Williams. Yep. That that might have been the highlight of the first half.

That might have been it.

Like Looking at the TV and being, like, hey, that's not

Trent Williams. The first, the the the Q1 specifically went 3 plays punt, 4 plays punt, 5 plays punt, 3 plays punt, 3 plays punt, 3 play plays punt, 6 well, this is going into wait. We started the game. 1, 2. Oh, I guess there was a field goal in there.

But 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 punts. 10 punts and 1 field goal was the start of the game.

Yeah. When, you know, when I watch games like this, especially in prime time because if it's in on a Sunday and it gets swallowed up by the rest of the slate, you can overlook it. But if it's a a prime time game like this, I look at watching it like we're making a deposit into the future football bank. Yeah. We're that money is gonna go ahead and make money.

You don't always see immediate returns on your investment. But I know if I watch enough games like that, then I'm gonna watch if if you don't love me at my 40 niners rams, you don't deserve me at my Bills Rams.

Yeah. That was I mean, it was bad. It was bad. I mean, we had the yeah. The Lions Packers game last week was great.

This just happens late late season. Thursday night football, just a little bit of rain fucks everything up. We also have to have a conversation about Brock Purdie. We should probably walk back. Well, you know what?

I'm not gonna walk it back because last year, he was playing like a top 5 quarterback. But there's been talk about him getting an extension. I know a lot of guys are hurt, but how much can you pay Brock Purdy knowing that he's a good quarterback, he's not in the level of make everyone better quarterback?

I think he is. I I think he had a he had a very bad game tonight. Like, he looks he looked stupid and shitty tonight. That's my That last throw was so bad. It was stupid and shitty in 1 throw.

It was dumb to throw it, and it was a bad pass. I think he's still a very

good quarterback. You think he's give me a number. How much

I would pay him? I mean, 60 has been floated around. It's not my money. 60 a year? 60 60 what?

I think it was

60 was floated around. What was the what was

the number? They

wanna know the number?

I I have a question for you. Yes. If he was in the NFC East, would you want Good question. A rival team to sign him long term?

Good question.

60 5,000,000 a year with his report. I have a question for you, Max. Holy shit.

Would I want the Giants to sign Brock Purdy? Yes. I would. Yeah. Yeah.

But if he's on a team that's got weapons I guess Malik Neiber's pretty good. But if he's on a team that's, like if he's on a good team, he can be a very, very good quarterback. We've obviously seen it from him.

But that's the point that once you pay them, then you have to actually, I don't get the cap. I don't

get the cap. So sad.

The cap doesn't exist.

Alright. So this yeah. I I think you make kind of a valid point, though, which is, like, if he's not on a team with good players, then, no, he's not, like, a a difference maker that can take a

team to the Super Bowl. The the projections that I'm reading right now so there was a report 60 a year. That's insane. You can't pay Brock Purdy 60 a year. A year?

A year. Again, all these things are, like, fake money. But

Yeah.

Because you don't know how much is guaranteed. Like The cap is going up. You could just be, like, we're gonna pay him 60

a year, and then you can cut him after he eats.

Hank, what how how did you think that salaries were broken down?

You thought it was just 60 total? Yes. I just

give him $60,000,000. You're a quarterback For, like, 5 years. So you're saying, like 60 for 5 years? I I'll do that in a second. I'll do that in a second.

Yeah. No. I think it's it's gotta be more in, like, the thirties. Thanks, Steve. He's he's not a what?

Brock Purdy? He Yeah. Yeah. This is this is the conversation that's going on.

I mean, we've seen Brock Purdy be

a good football player. Yeah. Very good at times. But it's also when a lot when all his guys are healthy and everyone else is very good at it.

Also, the

thing with Jibo Samuel, my ass.

The thing with the thing with Brock Purdy is John Lynch kinda owes Brock Purdy.

He can't play like that.

No. But think I mean, think about that. Think about it. The move the move that John Lynch made on draft day to move up, get Trey Lance, He's not talked about as being 1 of the bigger draft busts of all time.

He just needs more snaps.

But the fact is Brock Purdy saved John Lynch's ass by being good with the very last pick.

Yeah. I don't know what they're gonna pay him. The niners niners need a full reset, though. I feel like this was the game. If they win this game, they're like, alright, maybe we'll make it to playoffs.

I don't think they're making the playoffs. What are the odds? Can we get the odds up?

We have us watching

some stupid show right now on this.

They're not gonna make the playoffs, sir. Yeah.

We're watching a show. We're watching a happy holidays show.

Maybe this game just taught us that Trent Williams was the most valuable player of this team.

And Brandon Aayuk.

And Less than 1% chance.

And if and a and a what what's less than that? For the niners.

Oh, man.

Oh, man.

Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man.

Oh, man.

Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. Trent Williams is very important. Brandon Auk is very important.

Deebo Samuels 4 years ago was very important.

Alright. I mean, even last season.

Christian McCaffrey is very important. Very, very important. I they're gonna have to make some hard decisions, and and shed some of these guys. So less than 1%. What about the Rams?

Because the Rams let's talk about the Rams. The Rams credit the Rams. They've won games in very I mean, you can't win games in in 2 different ways than what they did against the Bills 4 days ago, 5 days ago in that shootout where they score 44 and then figure out a way tonight to grind it out and win a 12 to 6 game where it felt like nothing was happening. Cooper, Cooper Kupp, did he have a catch? I know he didn't have a catch till going into the 4th quarter.

Think that he did.

Yeah. I mean, Pukanacua had a couple big plays, but they they you know, that was a gutsy find a way to win tough tough game for the Rams, and now they are 86. They play the Jets. They play the Cardinals. They play the Seahawks.

Again, I I mean, I'm the biggest Commanders fan in the world now because Let's

go.

This is I can't Well,

Hank too. Hank has a Super Bowl future.

I can't have the Rams in the playoffs.

No. The Rams have a 48% chance right now to make it to the playoffs.

And what are what are the commanders at?

The commanders

50. That was that was current if win jumped up to 50 from 48.

Oh, max. Max. The way max set 50 there, he's so excited.

Well, that was also, like it went from 48 to 50. It wasn't like it.

The commanders, if they win on Sunday, have an 86%. Okay.

Okay. I'll just put that game. Listen. I can't control

my own destiny. Lose 57.

Oh. 0 my god.

But there's no way.

Yeah. Oh my god.

Jake There's literally no way.

Alright. Yeah. We're gonna get to that. We we talk about it in the preview. But oh my god.

Yeah. Listen. I can't have the Rams in these playoffs.

Max, you would still rather play you'd rather play the Rams than the Commanders?

I mean,

the Rams. Which world are we in?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I might paint myself green if the That's according to the Rams that

we That's actually a fair question.

I'm gonna say this.

Say it.

Who would you rather play?

That game we just watched. I didn't watch a game that'd been like, holy shit. I don't wanna play this team.

Yeah. And whatever. That was

the worst football game ever.

But the Rams do the Rams do deserve credit for finding a way to win that game because it was ugly. It was terrible.

And the Rams were horrendous. The Rams did look much better in a very, very shitty game than Yeah. The niners did. I said during the game, but if that was the first game ever played of football, they would never play a second game of football. Maybe this Maybe like this sport is not good.

Let's retool, get back together. We're playing rugby now.

Maybe this is a solution because Al Michaels is back for another year. So they announced that this week. He's back for another year.

Really?

Yeah. He's year to year.

Listen. I've But but hold on. I've had my sword out for Al Michaels the last 2 seasons. I don't know if I've got a thought on me.

PFT. Maybe the solution is they just have to guarantee that there's no touchdowns scored on Thursday night football because Al Michaels was not a problem tonight. He matched the energy perfectly. Yeah. Like, he was the perfect announcer for this game.

When he's annoyed at an appropriate time, then it's okay. But I I can't do another season of defending Al Michaels. Yeah. I just can't do it.

Where were you looking

for me? Retired. Do you

have anything for us? Oh, I thought you had 1 other thing for us looking up. What are the chances oh, no. The the the niners really

did 1. So wait. What are the commanders at right now, Max?

78%. 78. Okay. That's good.

You guys are acting like

Max, you

never answer the question. Into the world.

Oh, yeah. You never answer the question, Max.

And and what were

The playoffs start tomorrow.

In this world, I would like I would like the Rams.

But in the real world In the real world,

I would like

Is it yeah. Same world.

But, see, Hank doesn't get it because Hank never loses the big game. He always wins it.

Hank Who the fuck is the guest on this show today, dude? Hank oh, Hank. There? Nick Foles on the show, and Hank had leave midway through.

Once he started talking about the Super Bowl, Hank gets up. Watch for this in the YouTube. He

actually took his headphones off, and he was just going off what Nick Foles was saying Yeah. By, like, my reaction. And he was getting he was getting angry, and I was looking at him. He was like, oh, can't hear you.

Everyone was acting like the fucking president was here. It made me sick.

You you and Hank are pretty much the same person, Max. Did you know that? Like, deep down in your core, you're the same guy.

Also, Bruins lost game 7, like, 2 years ago.

Oh, Hank. Don't even you I saw you retweet that that horrendous, horrendous stat of all the stuff. I want Chicago to be

good. That's that is insane. It was insane. Like, I

I it was though insane.

I read it as a good thing because the tides have to turn. It was actually insane. Chicago is a very fun city. I love living in Chicago. Great sports town.

Passionate fans. They deserve better.

Here's

here it is, and I'm gonna I'm gonna give you guys some guesses. So this is from Jay Cuda. So in the last 7 years, he did a combination of wins, playoff wins per city, last 7 years. So, Boston has a 133 wins between their 4 teams in the last 7 years. Philly, 72 wins.

The Bay Area, which has 5 teams, 81 wins. Phoenix, 38. Atlanta, 38. Atlanta only has 3 teams. Denver, 94.

Tampa, 83. Toronto, only 3 teams.

They have 50 Tampa only have 3 too?

Tampa has 3 teams, 83 wins. Toronto has 51 wins. They have 3 teams. How many playoff wins do you think the city of Chicago has in the last 7 years? 5 7 years.

5 teams.

5 teams. So the Blackhawks, none. The Cubs, this does not count 2016 or does it?

Does not.

Okay. So none for the Cubs then. None for the White Sox. The Bears don't have any either.

You're off on a couple.

Wait. Does a plan count? Plan counts Okay. I'm gonna give you a 5.

4. The answer's 4. The white sox have 2. The Blackhawks have 1. The bulls have 1.

So shut the fuck up, Hank. Max, I got your back. He doesn't understand. Alright. But but, again You couldn't take Nick Foles sitting in here

for the that you want to play 4. The Rams, Super Bowl champion Rams, stud quarterback, great coach.

What year are we in?

No. Like, they've won a Super Bowl recently. Yeah. Like, they have they have they have the Super Bowl

3 years ago.

But, like, the Aaron Donald, same same coach, same quarterback.

Aaron Donald is very important.

Same coach, same quarterback. Yeah. That that's the same same core. Okay. Okay.

Or the most dysfunctional franchise of all time

with a rookie quarterback.

Hank. And you're taking the Rams.

Hank, 3 Super Bowls. K? Joe Gibbs.

I don't wanna lose again to another person on this podcast in the playoffs. I've done it to you twice, and it's the worst feeling. You don't understand how bad the feeling is He doesn't. Lose to somebody in this podcast in a playoff game.

He doesn't. He does not. Wrong, Jake Marsh. No. He got you there.

Gotcha. Either way, I the niners are dead. It's over. Reset everything. It's over.

And then the Rams, we got we got a Rams problem on this podcast. Yeah.

It's a

big Rams problem.

We got a Rams problem.

I'm I'm knee deep in the Rams right now.

I'm with you. I'm a brother in arm.

I've got a great coach. And somebody sent this scenario to me. And the more the more

This is sick.

It's perverted.

This person

go to jail. Disgusting. Precrime. They should be arrested and executed. There is a scenario that is looking more likely I don't wanna say it's probable, but it it the scenario is out there, and it's talking to me every day.

That week 18 Hank is so hey.

Tim, do

you wanna take off your pants?

Okay. I'm very excited. I need to beat the Cowboys, or maybe maybe it doesn't matter if I beat the Cowboys or not. But the Commander's playoff chances come down to the Bears beating the Packers.

When PFT told me that, I was like, dude, that sucks. And he's like, no. I'll I'll root for the bears. I'm like, no. No.

We won't beat the packers.

It's a it's a it's a scenario that's out there. There's that's all I'm gonna be thinking about.

It would be the worst scenario ever because there's no chance

they're gonna be game is it separate time?

They don't do that. They

don't announce it till before.

But I think I think if the bears lost that game, they

No. No.

That might be if. That might be the top part of my take.

There's not an if, PFT. They're gonna lose that game. If you lose

by, like, 45 points to the packers again Sure. That then that knocks me out, and then that makes Hanks bet win. And then Max is happy.

That would be real sick if it, like, if No.

It it would no. Not 45. 1.

If it came down, it would be really sick if it was, like, all the tiebreakers, then it came down to point differential. Yeah. Yeah. Packers won by, like, 50.

Yeah. Yeah. We're we're rooting in the Q4 because the Packers are only winning by 40 points.

And the bears have 4 yards.

Yeah. And then the packers score a meaningless touchdown on on the last drive.

You just gotta be Do you

send me that?

I wanna No. Don't need it.

I I he's gonna need it.

Do your own homework.

Okay. Yeah. Someone sent me the notes.

Alright. Well, we got the rest of week 15 picks in preview. That game sucked. I am impressed with the Rams just because if you could win both again, if you win those 2 ways in 5 day span Mhmm. That's I mean, they weren't the problem tonight.

The niners were the problem.

Yeah. Somehow Sean McVay looked less wet than Kyle Shanahan, and he wasn't even wearing a hat. Yeah. Kyle Shannon

had that hood up where it's Yeah.

I don't

wanna be anywhere but here.

McVay was just gliding between the raindrops.

Someone asked him if he wants to leave again tonight because I know he said no after he won by a million.

Better weather in Chicago.

Listen. You don't have to pay Caleb Williams for a few years. Brock Purdy's gotta get paid right now. Mhmm. Right now.

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The late slate is everything.

The late slate is maybe the most perfect part of a NFL Sunday that we've had all season. Yeah.

You'd rather have it better late than early, though. Right? Like, you'd rather have this be this way than if you reverse it.

Yeah. Shout out to people that go to church. They're gonna get back, have have great NFL matchups ready for them. Yeah. Yeah.

This might be the slate of the year, the afternoon slate, week 15.

Church normally ends before Yeah. Church is, like, 10 AM.

Yeah.

Or maybe if you got the way you guys worship, maybe.

What time did you go to church?

Yeah. I was

I went to Quaker meeting. That was a little bit more relaxed. Would you be hungover, stumble on in?

I went to 11:30 mass, but it would be done at 12:30, and you'd be home by it. You'd be home by the

1st time. Game start in central time zone, Max?

Well, 11:30 is the East Coast time. I think they You

think Charlie starts at 10:30, and they said schedule them? Church for football. Do they? Yeah. Smart.

They should. Or yeah. There's multiple masses. You know? Yeah.

There are.

Yeah. Okay. So we that's the setting for this weekend. We gotta get through the early slate. We just gotta get through the early slate.

First up, let's do some games. First up, Chiefs at Browns. Browns plus 4 over under 43a half. The Kansas City Chiefs are on a 7 game against the spread losing streak, which is pretty crazy.

It

is. Especially because they are 11 and 1.

Yeah. Well, maybe maybe they're

just 12 and 1.

Are they

12 and 1?

Maybe they're 12 and 1. They're just perfect at not exerting themselves too much. They don't waste any energy.

Yeah. They don't waste any energy. They're 12 and 1, and they've lost 7 games against the spread in a row. Basically, they're testing everything where it's like, we're gonna be so great, but also anyone who's like, don't you don't get rich betting against Patrick from homes. Actually, you do this year.

Yeah. It's been the year to do it. Yeah. I just want Jameis to play well enough in this game that he doesn't get benched next week. I agree with that.

Because next week, it will be Browns, Bengals. Mhmm. And I just wanna see Jameis Winston and Joe Burrow duel it out.

I wanna see 85 points. Yeah. Yeah. The, the I think Jameis is gonna be okay. The Chiefs' pass defense the Chiefs have a couple of problems.

Their offensive line's a problem. Their pass defense is a problem. Their pass defense since Jaylen Watson, 1 of their great defensive backs went out for the season, is 28th in EPA. So Jameis might be able to cook. And, also, DJ Humphreys is already questionable.

So he had hamstring issues. So they might be back to, like, holy shit. We're shuffling along the line.

Did they get that MRI back?

Yeah. I don't know if I

guess I know that Andy was waiting on that.

The MRI. The MRI. He said that.

Yeah. He's like, I'm waiting on this MRI.

We ordered an MRI.

Yes. We'll see what happens with that. I I like what the Browns did this week. They cut Kadarius Toney, which is smart.

Yes. That's addition by subtraction.

He also tells me that, they probably asked Kedarisone, hey. Can you give us any information about the Chiefs playbook? Realized that he had absolutely no help on that regard.

Yeah.

And they're like, well, that's really the only reason why we're hoping to have

you around this week. Yeah. Yeah.

So we'll see you.

Yeah. Yeah. I I I like the Browns in this game.

Do you like him straight up? I don't know if I

like him straight up. Also, another stat that might be pro Jameis. The Chiefs are 3rd fewest in the league in takeaways. So they've only had 10 takeaways this year. Mhmm.

Not turning the ball over on, opposing offenses that much. Maybe We know he's been Jameis has been so he had the the game against the Broncos, pick 6 after pick 6. He asked the Lord to deliver him from pick sixes against the Steelers. No pick sixes. Did throw 2 picks.

Maybe the final iteration is no picks.

No picks this week. I don't know. I I wouldn't mind if he had like, I don't I don't want James to throw no picks. That means he's not taking enough chances.

True.

I want full blooded Jameis.

Yeah. We need full blooded Jameis. Right?

Yeah. I I don't know. I don't know which Jameis we're gonna get this week. It could be good, could be bad. I'm hoping for

good. I'm hope I'm hoping for great.

Browns against the spread, not a bad play. Browns straight up, I don't know. It's up to you.

I don't know. Well, here's the thing too is this is probably the best game in the early slate just because it is the Chiefs and it's Jameis. Yeah. Like, this is the game that, I'll be watching the most,

I would say. For ball knowers, this game should catch your eye.

Yeah. This this game will be will be the best. So I I I will have something for this game. Will you say, hey?

I know no 1 cares about your fantasy team, but I do. I am wrestling between Patrick Mahomes this week and Jane Daniels, and I this game could mean a lot for me if I go with Patrick Mahomes, but I

don't Good. Yeah. What

do you guys think?

I think that's a man's fantasy questions are between him

and the lord.

I I I wanna answer this, but I gotta buy in both my leagues.

Okay. Thanks.

I mean well, actually, no, I have my the big league, I don't have a buy. But that Ebo and Blutman are gonna handle that. Say the question again. I got you.

Jaden Daniels, Patrick Mahomes.

Jaden Daniels. Easy.

No question. Just in general or this week?

Because I would say This week in fantasy.

Okay. This week in fantasy. Got it.

This week in fantasy. That's yeah. Jaden Daniels, for sure. Smart man. I mean, Mahomes is could could do great, but, like I've done that too many times where I'm gonna get

to Mahomes, and he just he sucks.

Yeah. I mean, I think he's gonna I think the the Browns' defensive line is gonna be all over him. So I, like, they haven't been able to protect him.

Have they been saving Kelsey for the playoffs?

I thought so, but also they yeah. Maybe they have. That's what we we have to give them the

benefit of every single doubt that

we have. I don't think the Chiefs are bad. I'm not 1 of those they're just lucky. I've we've said this before. I think that the Chiefs, the the the championship DNA they have, Andy Reid, Patrick, Mahomes, they're a type of team that if you make 1 mistake, they will capitalize on it, and they will make that into winning football.

I'm just more pointing out that, like, if you're a Chiefs fan, you know there's holes. Like, the secondary's been struggling. The offensive line's been struggling. Can they can Patrick Mahomes overcome all of that? Probably.

Maybe. Yeah. Probably.

You probably still can.

Yeah. But I like the I think the Browns are are live here. Okay. Next game, Bengals and Titans. Titans are plus 5a half over under 46, all lines on DraftKings.

Does the words Brian Callahan revenge game mean anything?

A little bit. I think well, maybe not because him and Zac Taylor are, like, best friends. Yeah. So Callahan would say that, like, after losses I think it actually was the other way around. I think I think Zac Taylor was saying after losses, the only people that hit you up are, like, your wife and, maybe, like, your 1 of your parents

Right. Hit you up. Right.

But, apparently, Callahan would hit him up after every loss too and know exactly what to say. So these guys are, like, very, very close friends. So I don't know if revenge is gonna be the right thing.

Yeah. So there's maybe a a little bit of a hybrid revenge. I love this guy.

Yeah. It's an I love this guy game.

Yeah. Joe Burrow got, robbed when he was playing Monday Night Football. That fucking sucked.

Yes. There's a criminal syndicate out there that is targeting players based on their Monday Night Football schedules It's nuts. And then just invading their homes while they're while they're known to be away.

I feel bad for Joe.

I feel bad for Joe. He said his privacy has been invaded in more ways than 1. So I won't I won't touch on the other part. I'll just say that, like, Joe Burrow is so handsome that literally everyone finds him attractive. Yes.

Regardless of your sexual orientation, that's just a good looking human.

That's a good looking human and a cool dude. Yeah. I I like the Bengals just because the the titans are so bad.

Have the titans given up?

I don't know if they've given up. I don't know if they're good enough to, like, if they were trying their hardest What would be worse? Think it would look good anyway.

What would be worse if this was them trying their hardest? Right. The last 2 weeks, the loss against the Commanders and then losing to the Jaguars. Would it be worse if they were trying their hardest in those games, or would it be worse if they were just kinda giving up on the season?

Be worse if they're trying their hardest, and I think they still are trying their hardest. And it's so bad that it looks it masks as giving up.

I feel like everybody except Calvin Ridley is trying their hardest. Calvin Ridley kinda gave up.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's it's bad. The Titans are really, really bad. And the Bengals are alive ish.

Yeah. We're gonna we're gonna keep doing it. Listen. If the Bengals they get to play the Broncos. If the Colts beat the Broncos this weekend and, then the Colts lose a couple games, the Bengals are they kind of start not controlling their own destiny, but they have a at least a little more say in their destiny than they would otherwise.

Yeah. Yeah. I I mean, I want the Bengals to keep winning. It'd be great. Just because it'd be great going into the the last couple weeks of the season if they were still theoretically alive.

It also would just be a great play like, it would just bolster the playoff matchups if we're, like, oh, first round is Josh Allen versus Joe Burrow. Mhmm. I mean, Bo Nix would be awesome too. So I'm not we're we got good options. But the Bengals, at least we know they are statistic or technically still alive and still playing for something.

Yep. They sure are.

And they're doing the whole I'm sure they're doing the playoffs start now speech.

Where's the ping pong table at? I don't know. That's gonna be key

for me. The playoffs start now.

Every game is a must

Every game is a playoff game Yep. For them. And they still might not even get in the playoffs. It's a super, super wild card weekend. Yeah.

Alright. Commanders at Saints. Saints minus 7 and a half over under is 44. PFT, I think this is gonna be a whompin'. It should be a whomping.

Can I can I can I can I give you some confidence?

Well, so my first question is because I don't know. I haven't seen anything out there about this. Are we getting Spencer Rattler on the Saints? Are we getting Jake Hayner on the Saints?

I don't think it matters because I have I have some things that are gonna maybe fill you fill you up with confidence. Okay. The first is Jaden Daniels is 7 in 1 against Spread versus teams under 500. The Saints are under 500. Mhmm.

The second is, here's a list of games, and I want you to tell me what they have in common. Bucks 51, Saints 27, Broncos 33, Saints 10, Chargers 26, Saints 8.

The over hit in 3 out of 4 of those.

Those were the 3 games that Derek Carr missed. Okay. They got fucking smoked. Derek Carr, you could say whatever you want about him, but he I think he, masks a lot of the badness of the Saints even though they're still bad with Derek Carr sometimes, I think it's gonna I they can't how are they gonna move the ball?

No Derek Carr. And no Taseum Hill.

2 of those games were no Taseum Hill. 1 you know, they lost by Yeah. 20 plus. They lost by 20 plus.

Yeah. Also, Jaden makes his return to Louisiana. Gonna be in the dome. Yep. I feel like he's fully healed now.

I think this is gonna be a shit hit.

You know what? You know what they're gonna do this weekend? They're gonna turn him loose. Oh. This is the Jaden Daniels gets turned loose weekend.

Off a bye? Off a bye, feeling good, going back to Louisiana, playing I think this is his first game in a dome on artificial turf because he played in Arizona, but that's grass.

And he played in Cincy, but that's not a dome.

Yeah. It's it is turf, but this is the first combo, artificial turf. Wow.

He's the anti Jared Goff.

He might be. I feel like this is gonna be a this this could be a whomping. I don't wanna get too confident, but it's a must whomp.

I think you I I think there's nothing as like, I think you guys are gonna win this game. I I feel confident in the commanders, and it's a must win. It's a must want. It's a must want. No.

Don't say must want.

For me for me, it's a must want.

I think it's just a must win.

Yeah. So anything

And then you gotta look at it over there if they if the Eagles lose, then you're starting to think, whew. Yeah. Next week.

Don't look in that rear view mirror. Watch out. So I'm Watch out, buddy. I'm not gonna

over yourself, baby.

Don't drop the soap.

I'm not gonna overlook the Saints, though. Saints are a good football team. I'm just trying to do, like, coach speak right now.

Yeah. You know, they're good Jake Haynor does a lot of good things.

Jake Haynor he's looked good in some of his, pictures that he took. The official team photos were very interesting that Jake Hehner took this season. Spencer Rattler, 5 star guy out of high school. We know he's got the talent.

Yeah. It's somewhere in there.

Alvin Kamara. I mean, what hasn't he done in this league?

Says that's all you gotta say.

He does it all.

You gotta just say that, Alvin Kamara.

They got some playmakers on defense that have been around. Good kicking game.

They pay those guys too.

They pay they pay those guys too. Being a road favorite like this is a it's still a very unusual sensation for me. Yeah. I I I don't know how to feel about it, but, Marshawn Lattimore should play this weekend. Revenge game for him.

Revenge game for him, which will be nice. And good vibes in the district. It looks like we're getting RFK Stadium back. Oh, wow. Yeah.

All we had to do was trade a squadron of f sixteens to Maryland for it.

Oh, hell yes. Which is I think awesome trade.

That's a story that was, I think, only written for me

to read. Yeah. Yeah.

But, yeah, what is why does Maryland need DC's f sixteens? I don't know.

We think about naming it RFK Junior Stadium?

RFK Junior Stadium.

That would be kinda cool.

Yeah. No shots allowed.

Yeah. There's some dead dead animals in the end zone.

I kinda like that. Yeah. Put 1 at midfield. Yeah. Yeah.

Not not bad.

Just gonna play around the whale carcass.

Yeah. You get brain worms if you play there.

Yep. Hank, have we mentioned any of your hungry dog teams yet?

No. Okay. So the Saints are not in the hungry dog. So you're in

the clear? Yeah. You're in the The Browns

are not in the hungry dog?

Nope. Titans? Nope. God, no.

Okay. Okay. Hank, are you what's what are your thoughts on this? If the Commanders win, I know you put that bet in for them to not make the playoffs because you're Jake Hader.

I did. Well, if the Commanders win, my my Super Bowl future gets that much better, so I'd be excited.

Mhmm. I love you, Hank. That's so nice.

That's very nice. Yeah. That was very nice of you. How about this 1, Hank? Raven's a giant.

There's no way they lose this game. Like, it's it's

Oh, okay. Now you're being mean.

Further. He went a little further.

Being mean. There's give me give me everything you

just said. Give me Hank's supercomputer projected outcome for this game.

The things we just said were coach speak talking up the Saints.

You could simulate this game a 1000 times. The Saints might win twice.

Oh. Okay. But what is it? What's the aggregate projection?

Aggregate projection 35 7. Okay.

Alright. So that's your statistical model. Mhmm. Alright.

So you're taking the are you taking the commanders this weekend? I mean, that's a pretty powerful model.

A 1000 times, they only the Saints only win twice.

7 and a half points NFL team, though. It's a lot.

You should tease them. Why don't you throw the Commanders in the hungry dog? Yeah. I'll tease them. I'll tease them.

Throw the Commanders money line in the hungry dog. Just juice those odds.

That's not how the hungry dog works.

But, I mean, you could just it's just it's a 1000 times they play, only 2 times they would lose. It's I'll tease them.

Yeah. If you tease them, what would that be? 7 and a half down to 1 and a half?

Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. There's no chance.

Right? Literally no chance.

Well, no. You said 2. 2 out of a 1,000.

I'll hop on that teaser too. Yeah. Just let me know what you

Give me the second leg. Find the second leg for that teaser. We'll find it as we go through the games. How about that? Yeah.

We'll make a PMT's.

Okay. This is not a teaser game, but Ravens and Giants. Giants plus 16 over under is 42 and

a half. 16. It's a lot of points.

It's the, the Giants have not been underdogs of double digits in the last 50 years at home. It's a lot a lot a lot a lot of points.

Okay. So this is the centennial season for the New York giants. Mhmm. It's their 100th season. There is a chance because their last 2 home games are against the Ravens and the Colts.

Mhmm. They're gonna be underdogs, I would imagine, against the Colts as well.

Yeah.

If they lose those 2 games, they will become the 1st team in NFL history to go 0 and 9 at home in a single season.

Damn. That's crazy. You gotta redo the Centennial season next year. Yeah. You just gotta pretend this season didn't happen.

Well, because there's no year 0.

Right? So do that. This is, also, it's only the 10th time in the last 40 year 48 years the road team has been the this big of a favorite. It's an insane spread.

Mhmm.

This is a college football spread.

No home team has been this much of an underdog since 2021. You know who it was? The Jaguars

Mhmm.

When they hosted the Bills, but the Jags won 9 to 6.

Oh, I remember that game. Who could forget that game? Yeah. That's yeah. I do do remember

that. Was that, was that, like, week 2 or something?

Was it the week 2 or was it the last week game? Remember the the season wait. Jaguars versus

who was it? Jaguars Bills. Bills.

Oh, yeah. That was. Was that week 2? Yeah. That was, like, something some early in the season.

I remember that.

Yeah. So we'll see what happens. Tommy DeVito, he's back.

Tommy DeVito. Italians are back. Also, we had a weird story this week that, Lamar Jackson shared that his mom was mad at him for not running enough.

Mhmm.

So he said, my mama just told me that. She cussed me out. This is after the game against the Eagles. I'm mad we're gonna get after it. I'm not gonna lie to you.

We're gonna go get after it. I can't wait for this buy to get on. We got the Giants coming up. She said there were lanes I should've taken and ran. I was just trying to let guys develop routes, yadayadayada.

He then also had a tweet yesterday. He said, I can't wait for the Internet to crash. Yeah. Is that because people were like, hey. Your mom tells you what to do?

I don't know what that was about. Why the buddy pregnant? Yeah. Why the

buddy pregnant? All time tweet.

I don't know. Yeah. Why why was Lamar Jackson I I would imagine that most people most of the feedback Lamar gets online has is generally positive.

Yeah. I would think so.

Right? Unless he's missing a a practice for diarrhea.

Yeah. Or losing in the playoffs.

Or losing the playoffs. Yeah.

That's probably not a good time for him

to go online. This would make more sense if he tweeted that out in January.

Yeah. But the Ravens are also prone to weird games. But the Giants are really bad. That's a good point. Counterpoint, the Giants are so, so bad.

So in their 7 home losses, they've been outscored a 164 to 71.

No Dexter Lawrence. They're just so bad. Yeah. They're such a bummer. Are they the worst team?

They might be the worst team. I don't know. Titans. Titans might with I would I'll say this. Without Dexter Lawrence, I think they might be the worst team.

I think they I think they would take the key. So it'd be it'd be be between the Giants, the Raiders,

and the Titans? If Daniel Jones was starting, I don't think that they would be the worst team, though.

I I agree with that. But it is kinda crazy that, like, he definitely would be he probably would have found them a win somewhere.

Yeah. They're doing elective surgery Right. To make themselves uglier right now.

Right. Okay. So, the next game, cowboys at panthers, panthers minus 3 over under 43. So the panthers, I think we all agree, have been playing good football. I think if you just look at the

pan if you throw away everything before Andy Dalton got into a car accident

Yep.

Then I think the Panthers are, like, an average team that has actually been trending in a very good direction. Like, an above average team right now.

They're the 1 of the bad teams that is still playing really hard in in pushing teams to the limit. And, I was thinking about I was like, man, what is this turnaround? Like, you know, Bryce Young obviously has been great. There was a report this week that David Tepper has actually taken a hands off approach to the team. Smart.

So that might be why the Panthers are good again.

Very smart. And I good

is a relative term. This is the first time they have been favorites in 33 games.

So I kinda like the Panthers this week. I do too. I kinda like them straight up. Uh-oh. I mean, they are oh, Hank's going hungry dog with the Cowboys?

Gomez, Hank?

Big letdown spot. Hank Gomez? A letdown spot.

For the What?

For the pant the Panthers. You guys. They've lost 3 in a row.

But you guys are talking about them like they're a good team.

It's fair. I said relative. I said they're a good team relative

to PGA just said above average.

I think they're playing above average football right now. They they should've beaten the Eagles last week.

It should've been the Chiefs. It should've been the Eagles. They were they went to overtime against the Bucks. Let them. But they haven't won those games.

But they're riding high. But they haven't won them. Hank kinda makes a little

bit of sense. Like, the Panthers We are It's the Panthers. Never talked about the Panthers.

It's like Mike Tomlin, Steelers as as home underdogs. Panthers is favorites.

As road favorites.

But the Cowboys stink. They almost beat the Bengals.

Well, the Cowboys also have some bad injuries.

Yes.

And it Over Sean's out. Right? Yep. And he He's out for a long time. To me, Overshawn the way that he's played this season, if you compare it just straight up to how Micah Parsons has played

this season, Overshawn, I think, has been their best

defensive player. Cooper Rush isn't good.

Neither are the Panthers. K.

I they're playing good ball.

It it it's just Panthers' road favorites. No. They're not road. They're home. Home.

Panthers' favorites fade.

You don't wanna go into the the bank probably? Bank of

America, I think?

Type of bank?

Yeah. You don't you don't go into the bank like that.

Yeah. You don't do that. You don't go into that bank.

They're gonna pound that keep pounding drum. Somebody's gonna break that

drum this weekend. That's my call. Trevor Hubbard. Memes, what do you got? What's up with the sunglasses?

So there's a light in there that I I guess I haven't noticed still now, and I've just been staring at it.

Now my eyes are all fucked up. You couldn't stop staring

at it?

It's literally been there since we've been in this studio.

Which light? That's above your left shoulder.

And you just started staring at it and you couldn't stop?

Yeah. What are you, moth? I was just looking at the screen, and then I was seeing dots. So now I got something like

You look ridiculous wearing sunglasses on the podcast? Above. This 1?

Yeah. Oh, I it doesn't even look like it's on. It's very bright. Got

it. It's literally been there since we've started the show in this show.

And you just caught eyes with it.

Yeah.

And it's just it's all I could see.

Are you still staring at it right now with the sunglasses?

Is this a rebrand?

Yeah. Make me like PFT.

Yeah. Okay. You

wish. You get a lottery ball, maybe.

Set myself up there.

So you're going you're going cowboys. Panthers have covered 5 straight as well. Letdown. Mhmm. They've lost 3 in a row.

I mean, Hank

Letdown. Hank is kinda right in that nobody has talked about the panthers in such glowing terms as everybody's been talking about the panthers recently, but that might just be because they've been playing well. And we're so shocked that Bryce Young like, it's been shocking.

Yeah. Because we thought it was we thought we had written the book. Yeah. Classy guy. Very classy.

Bryce Young. Do you see him? He he said a prayer. Yeah. In the game.

Who was it that got injured on the Eagles?

I don't know. But there was a guy who got went down and

Jay Gardner Johnson went down twice.

Oh, I don't know if it was him, but he was he said a prayer.

Yeah. I didn't see this.

Yeah. You would never do that for an opponent.

No. Yes. I would.

Is CJ Gardner Johnson okay?

I believe so.

Oh, so the prayer worked.

Yeah. So wow. Bryce Young.

Maybe you should thank Bryce Young. Say thank you to Bryce

Young. Thank you to Bryce Young.

Okay.

I have no problem with Bryce Young. He's he's a good quarterback.

Your thoughts and prayers do, and it worked. Yeah.

Okay. Next game. Jets at Jaguars. Jaguars plus 3 over under 40a half. We have, said we're not talking about the Jaguars anymore.

We also said that this would be when Hank can maybe unload some conspiracy theories Mhmm. On us. I also have a very funny anecdote I'd like to share with the boys before we hear from Hank. Remember on Wednesday when we were talking about Juan So to and the fact that, Yankees fans are now doing a spin zone where they're like, oh, that guy, he can't even play defense? Well, we actually had a similar situation happen for a murder because I overheard Max in the gambling cave yesterday say, yeah.

I heard actually Luigi is Greek. Mhmm. A real a real thing he said. Lou hi, dog. He is like a bad guy.

Greek guy.

His full name, Luigi Mangione. He's Greek. Greek guy.

He's a Greek guy.

I saw a tweet.

Okay. But that was an all time spin zone to be like, yeah. Someone told me that, he actually might be Greek.

Just This guy this guy right here. Greek individual.

Greek and Italians are sometimes Yeah. Close.

Luigi Mangione. Is Mangione is that what what's the country of origin on that?

Greece. It could be.

You can't find anything. None of these say Greek.

I know. I don't know where I it was like an ancestry thing.

We have ancestry in me. Oh my god. But it's just so funny that Max is like, I gotta move away from this murder. He's Greek.

I'm actually Greek. Eastern Eastern Italian, which is pretty much Greek. There's, you know, there's countries in between Greece and Italy.

I just never thought that would happen where you get that kind of spin zone where you're trying to disavow, by by changing where he's from.

Mangione. Alright. So, Hank Yeah. Your conspiracy theory.

What do you got for us?

The government

Okay. Has

Alright. Good start. Good start.

They have technology that's illegal to use, to track and find someone like Luigi, which they use. The Greek guy? The Greek guy Mhmm. Which they used illegally to find him and then planted, you know, they planted all the evidence, the McDonald's worker, the written manifesto to cover their tracks about the fact that they illegally they basically just, like, Edward Snowden type stuff where he uncovered that they were, you know, illegally surveying people and illegally tracking people. They basically used that type of technology to find him and then planted evidence that fit the narrative.

Okay. How'd they know it was him, though?

They used illegal stuff. Okay.

And then the McDonald's worker, also a government employee. The McDonald's worker was

a plant, and that's why they're not gonna get paid.

Oh, yeah. So I did hear about this.

Yeah. Yeah.

So the the person in McDonald's that allegedly called the cops is not going to get whatever the $50,000 reward is. Yeah. This is honestly, like, a low reward for this. But $50 reward because they did not call, like, crime stoppers. They they dial 911.

Who what is crime stopper?

Crimestoppers is the company that you call if you see a criminal and they give you money.

That's crazy.

Yeah. So this guy's not or this man or woman is not getting paid for that. That's not because he dialed 911.

That makes no sense.

It's a loophole.

What do you think about the eyebrows?

Eyebrows are suspect. There's there's no pictures where it's, you know, there's a much bigger separation, in the pictures they use to try and find them than

what

he actually has.

Mhmm. And then

I don't know how this connects to the drones, but I'm still working on that.

Oh, yeah.

The drones. We need some reports

from the drones. Out of Jersey. I was in Jersey. I'm happy I'm out of there.

Those drones are just hovering. Someone said someone was, like, not to be an alarmist, but I've figured out what the drones are doing, and they're looking for, atomic bombs. Okay.

Not to be alarmist.

Yeah. Not to be alarmist.

So but the drones I've I've heard that they came out of the ocean. Somebody, like, in the coast guard said that the drone came out of the ocean, which means that it could be aliens too. And then, president Pugh was reporting that they might be aliens, but good news, they're aliens that are fighting against other aliens, protecting us from the other aliens.

So president Puggs got it by the way, Max is still looking for the Greek thing, and he can't find aliens. I can't find aliens. Made this up.

I I may have just made this up in my head. I could've swore

The whole time we've been talking, he's been furious. We could see his computer. We've been furiously typing in different things in the in the search bar being like grease, grease, grease. There's just no Ancestor.

It's like there's no way that an Italian could commit murder.

I saw Does Luigi Mancioni pay his taxes?

I saw You ever hear of, Socko and Ansetti?

I saw, like, an ancestor.com thing that it was just, like, a scree a screenshot of his, it could have been any screenshot now that I think about it. I don't I'm just gonna shut up.

How about his cousin, though? His or not his cousin. His, his old roommate throwing him under the bus. Dude, his his roommate called up, was it the Daily Mail? Called up the newspaper and said, yeah.

You know, I lived with him for a while. His back was so bad that he couldn't fuck. He never had sex because his back was too bad. I'm pretty sure that if you are able-bodied enough to, like, get up, go to New York, shoot somebody, ride a bike Yeah. Get on a bus, go to Altoona, Pennsylvania.

You could probably have sex.

Yeah. I'd agree. The, there's nothing whenever, like, something happens, whether it's a murder, a tragedy, whatever it could be, and you have the, news the next day and it says former roommate or former friend, I immediately am, like, that guy's a scumbag. Yeah. He literally saw something.

It was, like, oh, ask me about this. Mhmm. What the fuck, dude?

Also, this is just conspiracy theory. I'm not saying I believe this. Just connecting dots. Diddy allegations come out, bridge blows up. Right?

Remember that?

Good pull up.

Jay z allegations come out, drones happen.

So, like, whenever something in the news happens, then there'll be another news story that happens.

Well, there's these elite rings that there are, you know, the the the elitist and the people in the Illuminati, they're worried about getting busted, and they're pushing the, like The button. Distraction button.

Just and it's, like, distraction button is drones.

Drones.

Bridge. Where does Mangione fit into this?

A distraction. He we just need to send him back Greece.

Was he a distraction from Jay z or was Jay z a distraction from him?

He was a because he

because Jay z happened

What is going on with Jay z? Can someone tell me?

Yeah. Did he? Yeah. Did he did he Oh, he's related allegations. There's a, a woman that is suing him.

So it's a civil case. And the same attorney, David Busby, I think that's his name, Busby, whatever it is. He's out of Houston. He's the same guy that represents all the Deshaun Watson accusers. Okay.

Him and his client have filed a civil case against Jay z claiming that they that he raped, like, a 14 year old girl.

That's bad.

And then Jay z said, like, take my name out of your mouth. You're about to find out where I come from.

Got it. And then Roger Goodell said, we're still still doing the halftime show. All is good. Yeah. He's And Roger Goodell would never lie.

Roger Goodell said we're

gonna stick with Jay z and

wait for all the facts to come out.

Got it. Yeah. I'm I was yawning, so I asked president Pugh

to

grab me a coffee real quick. Pug, do you have any thoughts on the drones real quick? Do you wanna say it in there?

Yeah. It's probably alien I've heard it's aliens protecting from other aliens is what I've heard.

Okay. Pug.

Got it. That kinda wraps it up. What do I I don't know what anyone else is gonna look for.

Marvel versus DC.

Probably aliens protecting from other aliens. That's what

I've heard.

So that's what I've heard. We got a whole quote.

It's good aliens. Probably. Okay. Why do they why do the good aliens want to

Come back in. Come back in. Come on.

Why do the good aliens why why are they protecting us? What's in for them? Are they just nice?

Apparently, they've been here the whole time, but just in the water.

Okay. And then

when the bad aliens, I guess, are threatening now, so they came out to protect us Oh. Against the bad aliens.

So they're our saviors.

Yes. And how do I tell the difference? If I'm outside and I see an alien, how do I know if it's a good alien or a bad 1?

That's a scary part. I don't think we know. Okay.

Okay. Yeah.

But you know the other part? Yeah. Because, like, saying I don't think we know would imply the plot of transformers? You understand saying I don't think we know would imply that everything else you said before that is, like, well, that's facts.

Well, we know they're protecting us, but we don't know, like,

the war with the bad aliens. Got it. Got it. Okay.

We don't know, like, the result of that yet.

Yeah. Because it's ongoing. Yes. Okay. Okay.

Alright. Well, keep us updated.

I'm on whoever's side wins.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Alright.

Who's who just said all this stuff?

Pug.

Alright. Thank you, Pug.

Memes, do you have anything about the Jets?

We can talk about the Jets.

I think this is gonna be a shit kicking.

Buy? The Jets. Okay.

Okay.

This is actually my game

of the year. Oh, okay. I think they're gonna take all the frustrations out of this dog shit season onto the Jaguars this Sunday, and that's it. I I actually don't disagree. And it's also just a simple, like, Aaron Rodgers versus Mac Jones.

Yeah. You guys wanna hear the sad stat of the day? Yeah. Aaron Rodgers averages 260 yards for the next 4 games. He'll be the single season passing leader

of the New York Jets. Wait. Say it again.

If he averages 260 yards a game for the next 4 games, he'll be the single season passing meter for the Jets.

That seems like a lot of yards, though.

Yeah. But he's he's kinda in that range.

And it's an extra game.

Yeah.

Yeah. But still

Those aren't, like, the the Bears passing sad stats. When they do the thing, like, the what is it? 4000 yard passer? Yeah. And it's everyone's it's all the pictures, and they're just blank for the Bears.

Is Caleb on track for that?

I don't think this year. But next year, yes, he is. Okay.

Yeah. Me I

I don't disagree with you. It feels like this is a weekend for the Jets' offense to actually do something. Mhmm.

Well, the Jets' offense hasn't been bad. They've they've

Top 5.

They've top 5.

They've put over 20 the past

couple games.

Not the offense versus Seahawks, but

Okay. Let's see the last couple games for the Jets here.

Okay. So the last couple games for the Jets, 26. Offense. The Seahawks game, they did not score 21 on offense. Yeah.

14. Okay.

And then you scored 27 against the Colts.

Was that any none of that was pick sixes or anything? Nope. All offense, breeze hall. Oh, offense. Breeze hall.

Okay. And then you scored 6 against the cardinals. So 2 out of the last 4 games, the offense has scored over 20 points.

They're figuring it out.

This is actually the last few games of the season for the Jaguars, I know we're not supposed to preview them, but we have a a potential narrative that could stick around for a while developing that.

Okay.

So I'm sitting up. Head coach of the Jaguars, Doug Peterson, still the head coach.

Mhmm.

They should if he wins this game, they should fire him because that would put him 1 game above 500 lifetime Oh. As a head coach.

I like that.

And you don't wanna be, like, 1 of those statistics where it's, like, this Super Bowl winning coach is actually below 500 Yeah.

For his career. Yeah. You're right.

The nice thing to do for the Jaguars would be to fire Doug Peterson with a win.

Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah. Fire him after a win. Let him get above 500.

Mhmm. They're not gonna win this game, though. Memes is right.

I think Memes is right too.

Okay. Dolphins He's always right. Dolphins to Texans. Texans minus 3 is the last game of the early slate. This 1 actually has some playoff implication because Texans are 8 and 5 off a bye.

Dolphins, still technically alive. So Texas minus 3 over under is 46 and a half. Can I point out 1 thing? Because Tua's been hurt this year, we haven't been able to do the, like, hey, fraud Dolphins thing. Mhmm.

Tua's 5 wins this year are the Rams. Good good ish team. Yeah. Good team. Are they above 500?

I don't know. They're 67.

Alright. So right right right right close enough. The Rams, the Jaguars, the Raiders, the Patriots, and the Jets.

Oh, there's Oh,

there's 76. Alright. Alright. They are. So let me say it again.

The Rams, the Jaguars, the Raiders, the Patriots, and the Jets. Mhmm. The losses for 2 of this year, Buffalo twice, Texans are above 500. We should remember the fact that the Dolphins just can't beat a team above 500.

Yeah. But I think I like the Dolphins straight up this weekend.

But did you hear what I said?

I did. I heard that. I still like them. I still like them. Because I don't think the Texans, they're not in that obviously, the the cardinals, they don't kinda qualify the same way that the Bills would qualify as, like, a very, very good team or the packers would qualify as a very, very good team.

But I don't think that the Texans are a super good team.

But are the Texans closer to the Bills and the Packers or the Jaguars, Raiders, Patriots, and Jets?

Probably closer to the Packers.

That's my only that's my only thought in this game. Not really deep level thoughts, but that was my thought.

So, I mean, the what you're saying is, essentially, if the Texans beat the Dolphins, then the Texans are a good team. And if they lose, then they're a bad team. Yeah. Yeah. So what's this has a lot to do

with Yeah. What's that? The ball. Tell us what happens.

Yeah.

Yeah. Mhmm. Basically. That

makes sense.

Anything else for this game? I got nothing else.

That's about it for me.

That's the early slate. Let's get into you know what? Let's build up to the to the 3 games. Let's build up to 3 great great games. Let's start with the we'll start with the ones there's a couple mixed in there that are not actually, there's 4 great games in the afternoon.

But 1 bad 1, Hank, patriots, the cardinals. Cardinals minus 6 over under 46. 6.

I'm happy this game's in the afternoon.

Yeah. Get swallowed up. Swallowed up. Should we talk about Bill Belichick? Yeah.

UNC. Happy form. Your beloved Tar Heels. Yeah. Think it probably will work out.

It was funny seeing that whole like Bill Belichick basically was saying fuck you to the NFL. While I believe that, I also think there's an element of Bill Belichick being like, if I'm not gonna get I don't wanna do another hiring cycle where I don't get hired. I'm gonna go take this into my own hands. Yeah. And I think he's gonna be successful at UNC.

I really do. I don't know.

I don't. I'm not saying that he's not Yeah. Because he's obviously 1 of the smartest and best football coaches of all time. But there's a lot that's different about college Yeah. From the NFL.

Well, that was the fun And, like, to think

that you're gonna jump into it and immediately be able to run the

best Definitely not.

The best program? Yeah. I don't think that I think it's gonna be a lot more complicated than even he thinks that it's gonna be.

It's I mean, Bill O'Brien has done decently well with Boston College this year in terms of, like, writing them, and I don't think they're gonna win the ACC next year. I think they'll just look a lot more competent than they have. But did you read that article where he was like, I'm just tired of, like, the bullshit in the NFL? Yeah. Feels kinda weird to be like, I'm tired of the bullshit in the NFL.

Let me go to somewhere where there's significantly more bullshit.

Yeah. College football is the bullshitest sport.

It's it's

That's what that's what we love about

it. It's all bullshit.

It's insane. There's so much crazy shit that happens all the time. Like, the NFL is pretty buttoned up for the

most part. Yeah.

But there's wild stuff that he can't even account for in that. I like the the people that are pointing out some coaches have been successful as NFL coaches that then transitioned into college coaches. And I love the fact that they're including Nick Saban

Mhmm. In

that list as, like, a great NFL coach that proved that he just make the transition to college football and win there.

Yeah. So Hank? I think he spent you know, obviously, he wasn't coaching this year. His son was. So I think he obviously got to, you know, hear and see how the way things worked and made the decision that he thought he could handle it.

I don't think he's going into it blind and it's gonna be blindsided by the way, you know, college and recruiting and all that stuff works. He's he's seen it. He knows how it goes, and he made the decision himself to take the job. He obviously has the 400 page. I would love love love to get, my hands on that.

His manifesto? On his manifesto. I think it's gonna be exciting. I think you're gonna see a a different side of Bill. I think, you know, you saw it this year where it's like, he was a hard ass NFL coach because he knew that's what it took to win.

I think he's going to know that he has to show his softer side, which he did this year in the media, and he's gonna do it with coaching where it's, like, it's not gonna be the same NFL Bill Belichick. It's gonna be a different type of Bill Belichick where it's, like, he's gonna do what he has to do to win.

It's like back

to school with Rodney Dangerfield. He's gonna be he's gonna be cool guy, Bill.

To an extent. Yeah. To a certain extent. I think he's gonna be more like the NFL. You know, the NFL players will be like he was such a hard ass, but it's different when, you know, players are under contract.

They're getting paid so much money. Obviously, with NIL, it's a little bit similar, but I think he's gonna be successful. I'll I am happy that he's at UNC. Yeah. Yeah.

It's cool. I mean, it's

Tar Heel. I I mean, listen.

I obviously, the Duke's up. I was a Duke fan growing up. But, like, again, I am very close with Caleb. I've known him since I was 22. When I first went to UNC, it was, like, Mitch, Mack Hollins, Switzer, Jeff Schommer, like and so I've had some some Carolina football relationships since I've been, like, 22.

So I I don't

I don't I have nothing against

I have nothing against Carolina football. Drake May, great.

It's been

a wonderful time. Yeah. And if if, like, Bill Belichick is using Caleb to recruit, like, that's gonna be awesome.

Can we make you a split jersey? That would be awesome. A UNC Football, Duke Basketball?

Or yeah. And golf. I'm gonna get a Drake May, Patriots, UNC split.

Oh, I like that a lot. That's really hot. Yeah. So you think he's gonna be when you say successful, 1st year? Playoff.

For What? College football playoff.

We should go in the ACC.

Yeah. I know. Okay. Playoff in the 1st year. Yeah.

What kind of what

kind of, props is old Bill gonna have on the sideline? You know, the turnover chain, turnover hoop. Mhmm. You gotta you gotta appeal to the kids.

How I feel like he's going to build a staff of people that do all that. Do you think he's got other fans? He's got Lombardi as the GM, which I didn't even really I guess that's a new thing with NIL, but he's going to build a staff, and he's like, he knows what he wants to do, and he's going to build a staff. He's got his son. He's gonna build a staff who do most of the shit he doesn't wanna do, and he's gonna focus on winning.

Do you think he's gonna ban TikTok? No. Yeah. Probably can't do that. I I I agree with you that I think I don't think he's gonna play off in 1 year.

But I think if he sticks it out, like, I I think I said this on Wednesday, but there is a compelling case for Bill Belichick shows up to your living room and says, hey. I can get you in the NFL. It's kinda like the cow. Like, I can get you in the NFL. I know what it takes to get you in the NFL.

I know what it, like, takes to play NFL football. If you want, like, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that you need an education, like, UNC is like some, you know, all this. I'm just gonna get you the NFL. Go back to what works at UNC, the Butch Jones era. Like, I would be I wouldn't be shocked if Bill Belichick gets a program running that's, like, maybe they don't win get to the playoff.

Maybe they don't win, like, a ton ton of games, but they're, like, getting guys in the draft every year.

And the transfer reporter, like, he's always been good at getting the most out of guys that you wouldn't expect. True. He's gonna be able to, you know, watch film and watch other teams and players and stuff and get them in the transfer portal, and all of a sudden, they're gonna be good. Can he evaluate a quarterback?

I think that there will be some people in the portal that would take less money to play for Bill Belichick, for sure.

Can he evaluate a quarterback?

Yes. Sure. Yeah. With the new rules. Ash Jones.

So there's Was it

Cam Newton?

Cam Newton was good.

Cam Newton got hurt. He was good his 1st year, and then he had a little bit of he got injured.

Well, how come he didn't start Tom Brady initially?

Why didn't he draft Tom Brady in the first round?

He had a 6th round grade on Tom Brady.

I actually agree with you, so I don't know. Would I'm just trolling you. I think he's gonna be good. And it's also just gonna be hilarious watching him be, like, pissed off at at, like, 18 year old kids on the sideline. Yeah.

Like, it makes the ACC significantly more fun with Bill Belichick.

Also, if

you're a college ref and Bill Belichick screaming at you from his call, you think you're so I fucked that up.

Yeah. He's gonna hate Davos so much. I I saw his tweet. It's like the like, Bill Belichick's face when he sees Davos running down the hill.

Yeah. Mhmm. Oh, he's gonna He's the anti Davo. Yeah. Yeah.

I also think there's part of this was just the colors because I've said it before. Like, if you're thinking about going to a school and you see the Carolina blue, do it.

Is that gonna mellow him out? The nice calming shade of blue?

Yeah. I think he's been chilled. I mean, I think, like, you've seen you've seen the good side and and the the chill side of Bill Belichick this year. I think he's gonna to some extent The only thing that shocks me like that.

I did think he wanted that Schuler record, but maybe he also was like, Andy Reid is hot on his tails, and Andy Reid's gonna like, if you go if Bill Belichick goes takes over another NFL team, there's no guarantee they're gonna win 12 games a year. Andy Reid's almost guaranteed 12 games to win a year.

And he's I think he's

a control freak. Yeah. It also would be a crazy, like And he's a

family man. Well, and it also

would be, like, his legacy is already cemented as 1 of, if not the best coach of all time. If he does successful in college, that's, like, insane. He's, like, oh, I did it. I just did it for fun.

Is girlfriend gonna enroll at grad school? Maybe.

I think she probably already is.

Yeah. That's cool.

Yeah. Okay. Cardinals. I like the Cardinals.

I don't disagree. I think they need this game.

I also think they're gonna be able to run the ball, and that's, like, the big thing. The Cardinals can run the ball.

Everything else works. Yeah. I agree. I think I think the Cardinals buy a a decent margin in this game. If Kyler can stop turning the ball over because he's had he had 2 last week.

Yeah. And then 1 or 2 interceptions each in the previous 2 games.

Yeah.

He needs to stop turning the ball over, Kyler.

Stop turning the ball over. Okay. Colts at Broncos. Broncos minus 4 over under 44. This is a crazy swing game in the playoff picture.

So the Colts, if they win this game, will have a 66% chance of making the playoffs. With a loss, they'll have an 11% chance. And the Broncos with a win will have a 89% chance of making the playoffs and a 42% chance with a loss. So holy shit. It means a lot.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm kinda rooting for the Colts in this just to keep more chaos in the, in the playoffs.

Because we don't this is the first time in a while I feel like we're we're kind of almost set. Other than this and, you know, I guess the Rams and Commanders, but it's not there's not like a ton that's still up for grabs in the in terms of we have, at least in both division or both conferences, 5 or 6 teams that are almost guaranteed set.

And if you if you're rooting for the Bengals to still be in the conversation at all, then you're definitely rooting for the Colts this weekend.

Yeah. Yeah. No no Hungry dog, Hank? Hungry horse? Horse?

Yep. Colts. No Riley Moss for the Broncos. That's that's significant. Shane Steichen off a bye.

Both teams are off a bye. Right? Yeah. Both teams are off a bye. I kinda like that, Hank.

I use I don't know if they can win outright. But Anthony Richardson, he's kinda showing me something. Colton Diggs.

Not that great recently.

Yeah. Bo Nicks might go off. He is Bo Nicks. He's got so much dog. He makes people uncomfortable.

I want I want the Colts to win this weekend, but I feel like it's the Bronco. The Broncos have been playing much better football.

Yeah. Okay. Though the other 1 that's, significant in the afternoon, but 1 of the marquee ones, Bucks at chargers. Chargers might assume half over under 45 and a half. I need Ladd McConkie to play.

That's really all I got.

Yeah. People are pissed off. Chargers fans are pissed off because Ladd was left off of ESPN's list of top 10 rookies.

Oh, that is actually very I would be pissed off.

Yeah. So they're mad about that, and I think they're mad fairly not just because he should be on there, but when they listed what the, like, stats for each rookie were

Yeah.

They had the wrong number of receptions and yards for him. I think they shortchanged by, like, a 152 100 yards. Oh, shit. Yeah. So they were chargers fans are pissed off.

They have every right to be pissed off. The Bucks, this is a big game for them. Huge. So if they

lose game for the chargers.

Back to percentages, if the Bucks lose, their playoff chances are down to 59%. If they win, they're up to 87%.

And no Antoine Winfield, which is, big. Also, do you guys know that Justin Herbert's only thrown 1 in 1 1 interception this year?

Yeah. Was it 14 touchdowns? Week 2. 1 pick. So he's gone 11 straight games with no interceptions.

Week 2.

And I think is is that the record, or he has, like, 1 more to go? I think

he has 1 or 1 more to go. So

if he throws no picks against the Bucks Yeah. Then he has the record for most consecutive games started with, like, a minimum of 15 attempts, I think.

Yeah. Also, the Bucks are gonna wanna blitz and Justin Herbert's, the best quarterback in the NFL this year against the

Mhmm.

So what do what do you got, Max?

So talk us through the, top 10 list here.

Latam Conkie just missed is the is the category that they have here.

Yeah. I don't agree with that.

And I think they updated those receiving yards for him because Did they used to be wrong? Yeah. Those were lower. It was, like, 600 something.

Wait. Ladd McConkie just missed, and they did a top 10 with 11 because they have a tied for 10th?

Yep. Brian Thomas and Cooper Jean tied.

I mean, those guys are both Marvin Harris.

I don't think Marvin's Yeah. Marvin Harrison shouldn't be on there. Joe Walt.

Yep. That makes sense. Zack Frazier, Malik Nabors. Yeah. Quinion Mitchell.

Bo Nix. Bo Nix, number 4. Jared Verst. Wait. Hold on.

Jaden Daney 2.

Brock Bowers 1. Brian Thomas isn't there?

He was tied for 10.

Oh, he's tied for 10.

But he

was the first 1. That's crazy.

Yeah. He's been Good rookie class.

Good rookie class. He should be in there instead of Marvin Harrison. Yeah. Marvin Harrison, 45 receptions.

Brian Thomas also has been very consistent. Like

Caleb Williams also just missed.

Just missed. Okay. I got no issues with that except for Ladd. Ladd should be on there. I don't

know if Brock should be number 1.

He's broken records in his position.

He's great, but

Quite literally.

It's the most important position in the NFL.

Probably maybe tight in. Maybe tight in. Okay. Oh, yeah. Bucks, chargers.

I kinda like the chargers.

I kinda like the Bucks. Kinda like the Bucks quite I I don't know. What are they gonna do with Bucky Irving? Is he gonna play? Are they gonna dangle Bucky around for us again?

They're gonna screw us? We're gonna have to file a lawsuit.

They might screw us. They might. Okay. Max, Steelers and Eagles. Eagles minus 5a half over under is 43.

Will Jalen Hurts play better?

He said that he will.

Oh. 0, how do you say that?

He said that I do well when I'm when criticized or something like that.

So he's saying that wait. So AJ Brown's criticizing?

Wrong. He said that when the media and the fans are criticizing.

AJ Brown did say BG was just being BG, talking about Brandon Graham. Mhmm. Which means everything Brandon Graham said was correct.

Jordan Mylotta had the best response to it. He was just joking around saying he was like, I'm happy that I'm happy to be talking about it now because the more we can talk about it now, the more we can eliminate and just focus on the Steelers.

Sound like a joke.

That's a good spin zone. No.

He was joking about it at first. He well, he they start off. He was like, do you guys think I did the you guys think I spread the rumor? You guys think I spread the rumor? And then he was joking, and then he started.

It's classic.

Went down to It's

classic Jordan Milady. Are you nervous, Max? So the the I I like the Steelers in this game just because Mike Tomlin is an underdog. The the Steelers have not won in Philadelphia since 1965. Been a long, long time.

And but Mike Tomlin is an underdog. We've said it a 1000000 times. 65% against the spread. He's 5 and o this year straight up and against the spread. So every time he's been an underdog this year, they've won straight up.

And more than anything, this is I Max, I'm wondering what your thoughts are on this. This feels like it could be a recipe for disaster where you have an entire week of everyone being like, the passing game's broken. Jalen Hurst doesn't look good. So now he's like, I'm gonna play better. I'm gonna throw it more versus a really good Steelers defense.

I don't think that that's necessarily gonna be the case.

You think they're gonna try to

They're still gonna run the ball. Okay.

It's a very good defense, though.

Yeah.

Correct. And we have a very good defense, and their own their best weapon is out. Mhmm. So that's where are they gonna score?

Well, they got other receivers. Mike Williams who's Yeah. You played good last weekend. Okay. It sounds like you're overlooking the Steelers.

I'm not overlooking the Steelers, but the way it seems like you're underlooking the Eagles.

No. I don't think we are at all.

I mean, the the you just went for 10 Steelers then.

They're underlooking the the Eagles are favored.

Correct.

So how can we under look them?

We're under looking the Steelers or the the Eagles. Yeah. We're under looking them.

We just said that Pittsburgh hasn't won in in Philly since 1965. They've lost 10 straight.

I know. But you were saying that as, like, I don't know.

Are you how are you feeling on this game?

I feel good.

You feel good?

I feel good.

You feel strong?

Yeah. You feel confident?

Yeah. I should I feel confident every week.

Jerry said he wasn't gonna bring his gun.

Jerry doesn't feel confident.

Jerry said he was not gonna bring his gun to the game. I know that was

nice of him.

Yeah. You can tell Jerry when he

I'm scared of I'm I'm I'm scared of Jerry. Yeah.

What do

you mean you're scared of

Jerry? He's

You should be.

If you if you have to clarify that you're not gonna bring your gun.

Yeah. No. But he say he said I'm not gonna bring my gun. Correct. So that's that should make you not scared of Jerry.

See, how how clear could it be that he's not bringing his gun?

When no I'm not gonna bring a gun either. There you go. Facts.

When Jerry doesn't say that before getting back, that's when you should be terrified.

Yeah. You should when he says he's not gonna bring his gun, it's like, damn. Alright. Great. Like, it's not even the point.

Like He told me that in the in the context of if I bring my gun, I may shoot you.

So I'm not gonna bring my gun.

You can tell Jerry's nervous, though, because he he is doing the thing where he walks around. He's just telling everybody, I don't think George Pickens is gonna play it all

for the rest of the year. Yeah.

He's, like, out. He's according to Jerry, George Pickens has retired from the NFL Yeah. Because his hamstring hurts. Max, can I can I overlook you? Can I stop underlooking you for a second with a stat?

Yeah. Overlook them. And I love

these stats. The rushing yards leaders, Saquon Barkley is in 1st. Right? We know that 1,623. 2nd place, Derrick Henry with 1,407 yards.

You know who 3rd place in the NFL is?

Saquon Barkley in the second half. Saquon Barkley before contact

Wow. With 1175. Wow. So your offense your offensive line has done a very, very, very good job for for your boy, Quan, as you call him.

Yeah. I mean, good offensive line, good running back, good run game.

Yeah. Those are Jacob Nirob, by the way. That's his stat.

Steelers have a very good defensive line.

Yeah.

Jalen Hurts is take sacks on his own. Slides.

Are you worried about TJ? Get are you worried about TJ Watt hitting Jalen hurts very hard?

Lane Johnson.

What about Alex Highsmith? Jordan Miata. What

about Nick Herbig?

I don't know. I don't know what you want

me to say. Guys. You just No. I I guy for not.

Yeah. But I just I also don't know where that guy plays, so I don't know.

Are you worried about getting Russie?

That I'm worried about.

Yeah.

It's gonna be an awesome game. I'm so excited for it.

Should we talk about the Stiegels at all? Sure. So the Stiegels, the team that was put together during World War 2 Mhmm. A combination effort Another hot job. Between the Steelers What did

you just say? What'd Meme say?

Oh, your mic was on.

What'd Meme say?

Keep accidentally ordering hot chocolate. Oh.

How many is that

hot chocolates you got?

Oh, no.

How do you accidentally order a hot chocolate?

Yeah. That sounds like something you've ordered before. You order hot chocolate as an adult.

No. Yeah. I did take a couple sips of this hot chocolate. It's it's fire.

But you but you you you don't accidentally order hot chocolate if you haven't ordered a hot like, you've just been reordering what you always order, hot chocolate. No. How do you accidentally order a hot chocolate?

It said hot, and then I large,

and then I I pressed the order. Hot and large? You just missed the middle word? The actual thing But

he made a mistake once, and then he did it again.

Wait. On the same day?

In the same episode of this podcast.

And I had Pug get it twice.

Where are you ordering these from?

No free ads.

Yeah. But you've placed the same wrong order twice in a row in the last 30 minutes. Correct.

It's a place down the street.

Okay. Stop looking at the sun memes.

Alright. Well, Stegals.

Yeah. The Stegals. They were a team that was put together 1943, I believe Mhmm. During World War 2 when, a lot of players had to be shipped overseas to go fight. The NFL tried to carry on, and they, they combined the Eagles and the Steelers into 1 team Yeah.

Called the Stegals. And they finished 5, 4, and 1, which is the Eagles' 1st winning season officially Mhmm. Is how it's been, written down in the record books. And I looked at some of their players that they had. Their leading receiver had 17 receptions named Tony Bova, and he was blind in 1 eye.

Oh, I love it.

Because in order to get out of serving in World War 2, you usually had to have, like, a Yeah.

Disability. To become a Stiegl, you had to be the few of the proud.

Their center was deaf, and their kicker and punter Troy Smith had a fake leg.

Oh. I would love to

go back and find footage of

I wanna see the Steelers team.

This team won 5 games. That's awesome. With a Deaf receiver and a kicker with 1 leg. They also did a draft in 1940 I think it was in 1944. They drafted together, and they they selected a guy named Max Kilbasa.

Fucking great name.

Max Kilbasa. Kielbasa. Great

name. That's literally just

Max at lunch.

Yeah. Or that's translates to Nick Foles. Yeah.

I don't think I've ever had a Kielbasa.

Yeah. You have. Yeah.

You definitely.

You definitely have.

I don't like

I don't even is it a brat? Is that also a brat?

You don't like you've had a lot of kill bosses.

I I don't know what to tell you.

Remember, I we made, shirts back. That was actually a really cool shirt. It made no sense. We were just the the bears and the eagles were both bad at the same time, and we made Philadelphia beagles shirts

Yeah.

Which would have been that's a sick name. It is sick name. Philadelphia Beagles. It was a cool shirt. Look at that.

Look at that. Look at that dog. It's chill. That's a chill ass dog.

He's just a chill guy.

Philadelphia Beagles. Those are fucking cool ass beagles.

Do they still sell Stegall's merchandise?

I don't know. I want Beagles merchandise. Stegall's merchandise. Yeah. I'm sure, like, Canton probably has something.

Oh, yeah. Do you think there's anyone wearing a Stegall's?

Are there any Stegals still alive today?

No. Probably not. I mean, there might be, but it would be there's only what? There's only 40 Stegals?

Well, yeah. And it would have

to all have to get, like, to they'd be a 100 plus right now.

And it would have to be somebody that probably had a disability.

And it also had to be someone who played professional football in the forties, which is also creates disabilities.

Probably not.

Yeah. Probably not. Probably lost all of our Stegals.

But I do wanna see highlights if there's any highlights out there of Stegals games.

They need to make a movie about this. Yeah. Stegals. Okay. So, Max, you think they'll cover the 5a half?

I don't care about covering

anything.

Alright. I like the I like the Steelers plus 5a half.

Okay. Wait. Why is that funny?

It's just funny. I don't care about covering anything.

I know. I just wanna win the game. I don't yeah.

Okay. The big 1. The big kahuna. Bills at Lions, Lions minus 2a half over under 54a half.

Thoughts? This is getting an awesome game. This my thought on this game is it fucking rocks Rocks. That we're getting this game in week 15. Rocks.

So you got 2 teams, double digit wins, playing each other in week 15. The last time that happened was all the way back in 1985. So it fucking rocks.

Rocks.

This is a historically fucking rocks matchup.

Yeah. I, I'm contemplating a game of the year in this game. Contemplating.

On the over? No. This is a very fun over.

It is. It'd be on the Buffalo Bills. Okay. I love this game for the Bills. Okay.

Last week, I had the Rams. I kinda saw that coming where it's like, hey. They just clinched the AFC East. They went all the way West. I think Josh is just playing out of his mind.

I think this is the week that the the Lions, all their defense of injuries. I know they might be getting a couple guys back, but this is an elite elite offense. And Aaron Glenn, I know this from experience because they'll Justin Fields used to play well against Lions. Aaron Glenn's defenses don't do well against running quarterbacks. He refuses to do a spy.

The only thing that's holding me back is I think that the Lions are gonna be able to run the ball. And, like, if I get into a situation where the Lions are just grinding them out and then Josh Allen scoring quick touchdown and then grinding them out, That feels scary. I'll know on Sunday if I have the balls to it. I'd love it to get to 3. I don't think it will.

What's the over under on this game?

54 and a half. Over.

Yeah. Over. The funnest over possible. You know,

I should just do that as a game of the year?

I I mean, the game of the year is perfect.

You're gonna

do a game of the year. I might not this weekend, Hank. It's called responsible gambling. But, yes, would there is a people are, like, oh, you're gonna do a game of the year 12 hours after Travis Hunter wins the Heisman possibly? Oh, that's right.

I need to recalibrate my thinking about this weekend. Correct. Because my bank account

That's all I've been thinking about. I'm gonna have Game of the year.

I'm like talking for Arsenal.

Basically, someone's just walking over and just and just loading my gun with bullets, and I'm just firing everywhere. As fast as I can.

I'm I'm Ukraine right now.

What? I this I I'm still nervous about GENTI.

Don't worry. Don't worry about it. Don't worry

about it.

Sounds good. Which gun is done. Which gun is done.

The votes are in.

Yeah. But it doesn't matter. We still don't know.

Alright. Here's something here's something that that will help you. Ready? Travis Hunter won the AP College Football Player of the Year, and every player who's won that has won the Heisman since Chris McCaffrey.

And that award goes out to The best football player of the year, I would imagine.

Yeah. Although, Gentry did win the Maxwell. That's just fine. Okay. I'm a little nervous.

Maxwell

There's so many people on Twitter that keep saying that that Gentry.

When I hear Maxwell, I think 2nd place.

Yeah. True.

That's that's my that's my name.

I mean, listen. I I if if That's the question. I have to go to I have to go to a a Christmas party on Saturday night, and I'm gonna have to ask for them to put on the Heisman Trophy, ceremony while I stand like antisocial, just staring at a TV with probably no sound on it. This is I'm I'll just go home. I'll just leave

if this happens. I think me and Blake might get dressed up in suits Yeah. And sit down on the couch like we're the family and watch this game. But yeah. No.

You reminded me. I I'm Ukraine right now. I have no bullets left.

Mhmm.

And then there's a there's a shipment coming over.

Yeah. Joe Biden's about to come and give us a little package.

And then Sunday, you better fucking watch out, NFL.

That's why I'm saying game of the year might might be on. But I this feels scary because it's like this the lions are so good. I'm not saying that no game of the year. It's gonna be a nuclear missile whale play. Okay?

Let's just do that. Bill's nuclear missile whale play is what I'm gonna do. And we'll save a game of the year for maybe the playoffs. Possible Super Bowl preview? Possible Super Bowl preview.

This would be my dream Super Bowl matchup in terms of fans Yes. In New Orleans. Holy shit. Would it rock? Just like partying with Lions and Bills fans all week.

Also would be heartbreaking for whoever lost that game.

Yes. But also maybe the most merchandise ever sold the day after the Super Bowl Yes. Regardless of fan base.

For we I I threw out this, trivia question the other day. Last time if it was Bills Lions, when was the last time there was a chance for a first time Super Bowl winner, double chance for first time Super Bowl winner?

The Indians and the Cubs.

No. Super Bowl. And also no.

Oh, yeah. It's it's, like, a 100 years.

Yeah. Yeah.

Double chance,

first time Super Bowl winner. Do you want go the Super Bowl guarantees a first time Super Bowl winner?

Patriots Rams?

No. Close.

Fox Ravens? Rams Titans.

Yes. Patriots Rams Rams won the year before.

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Rams, Titans. This would be fun. I mean, it doesn't happen very often. I hope it doesn't happen very often where you get a chance for, you guaranteed chance for a new Super Bowl winner. Yeah.

I've or so the other parts about the Bills, Keon Coleman and Kincaid, I think will be back. That might be that might push me over the over the ledge of saying I'm gonna have to take it. Josh Allen's also good against the blitz. Aaron Glenn's gonna wanna blitz. He's gonna wanna, you know, like I said, running quarterbacks, not the best.

And I just think the Lions I mean, the defense of the Lions is good, but it's also been very banged up. And this is the Bills offense is 1 of the top, what, 3? Like the most elite offenses. So I mean, the Lions obviously have 1 as well. I'm just excited for this game.

I'm so pumped up for this game. I should not I should not make a game of the year because I'm I wanna I could not bet on this game. This game is gonna be so awesome.

That's not true.

I could not.

No. You couldn't.

Just like Jerry could not bring his gun.

I bet you I bet you $1,000 that you'll bet on this game.

I'm not gonna take that bet.

I thought that there was a chance that you could not bet on this game.

Yeah. I'm not gonna take that bet. Okay. It's a It's a great bet that I just saw. Nuclear missile whale play.

So offer you $1,000 to not lose money.

Well, no. Because the minute I say yes, you're gonna be, like, well, you just bet on this game.

I would have said that. Yeah. You're not Max.

I'm not Hank. I'm not Max. I'm not mean.

Max would have fallen

for that.

Come on. In a second. In a second. They would have walked right into that. Okay.

Last game, Seahawks, Cardinals. Did you guys see that the c or the Seahawks are plus 2a half over under is 45a half? Wait. Seahawks. Or sorry.

Packers. Yeah. Packers and Seahawks. Seahawks plus 2a half over under 45a half. Did you see the Seahawks are calling their defense the death zone?

Okay. How do you

like that? In what way are they at the death zone? Is that like on a mountain?

You just die when you go up against

them. Once you get up a certain altitude?

Yeah. They they have been really good.

I like to buy.

Legion of spoon better. Legion of spoon. Oh, no. Death zone. What?

Death zone? Yeah. You gotta earn death zone.

Legion of spoon? Yeah. No way. In terms of intimidation, death zone.

You gotta earn death zone, though. Death zone. Death zone rocks if you're an elite defense that is, like, dominating people.

They have been in since the bye. They've been in the top top 5 in d well, that this is a name that's come about since the bye. So we entered the death zone after the bye. They have just started being the death zone. Okay.

So, yeah, I like it. Also a reminder, the NFC North, which just goes against what I just said about the Bills, but the NFC North is 28 and 3 outside of the division. Yep. Or sorry. The the Packers, Vikings, and Lions are 28 and 3 outside of the division.

Those 3 teams.

Those 3 teams. Not the NFC North.

Not the Bears. Not the whole division?

Not the Bears.

Definitely not the Bears. Yeah. I like I like the Seahawks, though.

Yeah. This is 1 of those games. I'm sure we all have them. But if you have a certain matchup, you just think of, like, the iconic like, they had to fail Mary and then, obviously, the NFC championship game. Game.

It's fun when you have these matchups where you think you'd immediately be like, oh, yeah. I've seen this, and it was fucking crazy.

You just might yeah. This might just be a a wild ending to a game.

Right. Right. You just have wild endings in your head when you see that matchup. Mhmm. This is gonna be a great afternoon of football, boys.

I can't wait for it.

Max is stressed.

I can't. Wish 1 of those games was in the afternoon.

I do too. They could've given us, well, no. They couldn't have given us Bucks, chargers. They couldn't they could have given us Lions. It would have been nice.

I would have taken Lions.

Eagles Steelers.

I would have taken Eagles Steelers. That would actually been the perfect Sunday if Eagles Steelers. And you swap out, like, the the Jets and the Jags, put them in the afternoon. Just forget about it. Set it and forget it.

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So I'm gonna sit out. You guys pick conviction. Ammon Ra Saint Brown.

Like it. AJ Brown. Oh, okay. This is

crazy. Rashad White.

Yeah. Wow. Brown, brown, white. Brown, brown, white. Brown, white, brown, Oreo, kind of.

Yeah.

I like it. Alright.

What? The they're not Twinkies. They're Ho Hos.

Ho Hos.

Ho Hos.

Ho Hos. The Ho Ho. This is the Ho Ho. Brown brown brown white brown. Alright.

So it's Aman Ra. Aman Ra. Rashad White, and then AJ Brown. Alright. Good luck, boys.

I'm gonna I'm gonna bet it. I'm riding. Let's go. Sorry again to everyone last week. Okay.

Let's do our picks. Our picks. We're so bad. I think we're are we all under 500? Collectively, that's a lot.

Yikes. Yikes. Who's up first?

That'd be me.

I I feel like you went first last week.

Hank went first. Mhmm.

I feel like it was you. You sure?

Yes.

I feel

like that was you.

Memes, what about the graphic that you put out, besmirching my NBA Cup reputation?

My apologies. I don't make that graphic.

You don't make a lot of graphics, buddy?

I make memes. My name is memes.

Mhmm. Because every time there's a graphic, you're like, I don't make that 1. Yeah.

I,

I mean, putting a 0 and 3 up there when it was not 0 and 3 is a dirty move.

No. That was McCarthy's fault. He's a scumbag. Yep. Everyone knows that.

My apologies. I'll take the jets minus 3.

Okay.

I am going to take Colts Broncos under 44.

Oh.

Okay. Interesting. I'm going to take the Arizona Cardinals minus 6. Love that number 6.

I'm gonna take the Buffalo Bills plus 2a half.

I'm going to take the over in that game, 54a half. Like it? And I'm going to take the yeah. Box plus 2a half.

Box plus 2a half. Okay. You know what? Give me the over 46a half patriots cardinals.

Give me what's I didn't look at the weather. Mhmm. That is the state.

What do you need? I got you.

I need the Cleveland weather forecast.

Don't have it. Thought I had you. If you had asked me Seattle, I would have said rain. Can I can I ask Max to bring up the weather forecast? Yes.

Sunday, rain. Sunday. Should have said rain. No. That's yeah.

That's maybe rain. That's grappel. That's could be rain.

Okay. I'm gonna stay away. Glad I looked at the weather forecast. I'm gonna take the over in the commie saints 44.

Nice. Dome. Dome.

I will take the Bengals minus 5 against the titans.

K. Memes?

I will do Texas, Dolphins over 46a half.

Okay. And a reminder, let me see this the the standings again. We we we gotta remember for standings, we gotta start going back to the point system because that makes it a lot easier to follow. Memes has 14 points. Hank has 13 and a half points.

I have 13 points. PFT has 12 points. Max has 11 and a half points. So it's anyone's

game. Anyone's game.

It's anyone's game. We are all within yeah. We're all within 2 and a half points. Woah. That's crazy.

We're all so so bad together, which I appreciate.

Yeah. It would be really a bummer if 1 of us was just, like, insanely good right now or 1 of us was insanely, insanely bad. We all just are, like, bad. We're very bad. Yeah.

We're very bad. Insanely

bad. Right. We're all we're all well, no. Memes is bad. Hank is bad.

I'm, really, like, not really bad. I'm I'm really bad. PFT's really bad. Max, you're really bad getting close to

insanely bad. I'm the half I'm a

I'm just telling you what the records are saying to me. Like, I don't get me wrong. Wait.

I'm a half

But look at it. You said half left.

Point behind PFT.

But he's 1217. You're 11, 17, and 1.

How are you and PFT the same when you guys are a full point away from each other and

Because 13 and 12 look very similar. 11 11 looks as a different

But it's 11a half.

But 13 1312 look very similar number wise. 11 is totally an outlier.

But you're forgetting about the half. Yeah. I get that.

But, Max, you you just have to accept where you are right now. By the time next week comes around, I might be insanely bad. Like, if I go o and 2, 12 and 19, I would say that's insanely bad.

Yeah. I'm I'm insanely bad, sir, Tory.

Like, that's that's pretty much I'm losing almost twice as much as I'm winning.

Yeah. 13 and 18, I'd be

insanely bad. I also feel horrible about my picks this

weekend.

What

were they again? No. That 1

was bad. Bengals minus 5? Yeah. It's a bad

pick.

What was the other 1?

Colts Broncos under 44. Yeah.

It's

a bad pick. I mean,

do you No.

I actually

like the Bengals pick. No.

I hate the it's a bad pick.

I like that pick. Good pick.

It's a bad pick.

Anyone could be in last other than Memes, anyone could be in last place at the start of next week.

And, also, for the AWL's sake

Me and Hank could be

Memes is like, bust your balls the entire time.

Me and

Hank would also be boring.

No. Oh. No. No. No.

That's wrong. But we're both

in bachelor party age. I'm saying for the That's

why you'd be great. You'd be great, Max.

But it would max funniest outcome would be their I

understand the funniest, but I also would not like, I have I could I could if I went find

a way to go for, like, 6 hours.

If I went on a bachelor party, I have I I'm like I got I got 4 innings of, like like, low nineties fast.

You would do a Chicago basketball.

Yeah. I'd love to I'd go to a Cubs game. We'd go to a Cubs game, I'd get drunk, I'd go home. Yep. Now I'd have to travel.

I'd have to travel.

I would have to travel. I would be a lot of fun for 1 night. Yeah. 1 night, and then after that night's over, I'm I'd just be miserable by We have very few different aspects of my hangover for the next 7 hours.

We have very few details. We have, like, we have we haven't put out any ground rules to this.

Hank might just not come back. Hank might have such a great time on your bachelor party that he just goes wherever you go.

He's just hoping it's a golf trip.

Yeah. Max, you'd be fun on the party.

Yeah. We also need to figure out who's film filming.

Whatever. That's a later thing. Yeah. That's whatever. Forget it.

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Yo yo yo. Yo. Yo. My name's Mario Mangione.

Hey, Mario.

Mario. Speak to me, Mario.

My stardom is Greeks. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wait. That was my synonym.

Fuck it. Greeks, Greek Freak, Giannis. Bucks are playing good. Greeks are back. Fucking love Greeks.

Alpha males. Gyros. Yeah. My system, YouTube TV.

Yeah. They're jacking up the price. They banged us.

I just made the switch to YouTube TV this week, and they fucking yacked up the price.

$9 a month. Some bullshit. Absolute bullshit. It is bullshit. When they started, it was $40.

Cord cutters, they they should've just kept stuck with cable. It's a shit show now. You gotta have every fucking app. You gotta pay out of your fucking ass.

I would pay

I would pay a of money to have just 1 app.

And my

Oh, wait. X, the everything app. Love it.

It's all happening on x. My sleeper is talk to her.

She did her spaces. She was getting called out. She said, I'm going to sleep. Haven't heard from her since. So she's sleeping.

She's having a good time.

I I thought that was a respectful way to get out of a very awkward conversation just being like, I'm tired.

I'm tired. I'll see you guys tomorrow.

I haven't woken up yet.

It was like a cartoon voice too. Yeah. Respect. Respect.

You know, she makes some money. Hey. We're the way you make a you make a the money.

Yeah.

Hey, this is Luigi Mangione. Oh, Luigi. Just heard from my brother Mario. I'm starting the McRib. Oh.

It's back. Fuck. Yes. If loving the McRib is a crime, then lock me up and throw away the key. I just wanna get a McRib.

That's why I go to McDonald's all the time. Love that. It's great. I'm sitting I'm sitting in a jail cell right now. And then, my sleep of this weekend, it's fuck fuck winter.

Wait. Jack Frost is my sleep of this weekend. Yeah. Fuck.

I woke up

this morning. My balls was up in my stomach. It had no balls. No balls. No balls

at all.

Like a castrated ball. Wasn't that bad.

No balls. It was bad.

And then It's tough for me.

Luigi, you're Mario. You're tougher.

I had a friend. I had a friend last year. He said, Chicago winner, not that bad. Kind of a pussy.

That was Mario.

That was Mario.

Today wasn't that bad. Mario's staying with it. He's sticking with it.

This this winter's bad. Get a fucking coat, dude. You talk you talk shit to the wrong guy.

I ain't scared.

You're not made. You thought you was made. I was born in I was born in the winter. Yeah.

I am 1. No.

You you were born in June. Born June, bro. Bro, you were born in June. Fucking June. June.

Still. Australian winter. That ain't winter.

What's up, fuckers? It's Wario. Hey. What's up, Wario? My my stardom this week is our, our pal, I can't remember her name.

Is it Libby or something? The girl took a 1,000,000 dicks.

Yeah. She's, Andre Dicks. She's the world's guma. That was something. You watched the documentary about her?

No. The documentary? Fuck no. It was sad. Fuck no.

It was very, very sad.

Watching that. It was sad.

My cinnamon's lasagna. I think it's overrated. I like a little pasta. Just that lasagna too much. Too much going on.

I never liked lasagna. It's a

bad take.

I don't like ricotta.

Nah. You don't like lasagna?

I hate lasagna. Nice.

With you. My sleeper this week is Josh Allen. Touchdown machine. Josh Allen.

Rock it off.

Wario. I'm a gonna win.

No. Is that Mario?

I think so.

What does Wario say?

I'm a gonna win.

It's Amelia Wario.

The the documentary thing about that girl. It's just She was, like they interviewed the dudes. The dudes were, like, yeah. You can you can talk

to me about it. You watched it?

I saw clips.

You watched it?

No. I saw clips.

I think he watched it, guys.

I did not watch it. And I don't think it was I don't think that there was porn in it if you did watch it. No.

I I think the, like, the sadness of it It's very the clips I saw

the porn. The clips I saw, she was, like, crying afterwards.

Bad choice. Yeah. And somehow my algorithm is just, it's like Luigi memes and, the woman who took a 1,000 cocks.

Well, she took a I think she took a 100. 100. She wants to take a 1000. Oh, man. Yeah.

I just I wanna know more about the, the order that the guys got put in when they went there. If you just showed up and you were put in a waiting room or if there was a lottery ball, like the NBA draft Yeah. If you're a virgin, you get to go first. I don't know. I don't know how it worked.

Yeah. It's crazy. Crazy. Okay. Should we get to our interview?

Maybe that's what Lamar Jackson was talking about.

Oh, yeah. That is what he's talking about.

Because that's what I thought when I saw it. Like, the Internet was a bad idea.

Yeah. Do you guys really you I lasagna just like in terms of pastas. It's great. I'm not a lasagna fan.

Me neither.

Lasagna It depends on the if there it's it is it is easy to fuck up lasagna.

It is

just too much going on.

Lasagna. It's like

Yeah. Fuego?

It might yeah. It might be like, a good lasagna might be my favorite Italian dish.

No.

No. You you just haven't you're telling yourself for never eating good lasagna. No.

I've had good lasagna. I just don't it's just too much. I just like a little

You gotta yeah.

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Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. He is Super Bowl champion, legend forever in Philadelphia. Super Bowl MVP. Super Bowl MVP.

Played a played a bunch of different places. Nick Foles, QB 1 in studio. First of all, welcome. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for coming here.

Have you had have you been harassed by any of our Philly fans yet? Because they're lingering. Like, the buzz of Nick Foles in the office was we we said it, I think, a couple days ago, and all the Philly fans were, like, oh my god. I gotta wear my best Kelly Green shirt, like Nike shoes and and all that stuff. They dressed up for you.

They did. And I wouldn't say harassed. I'd say it's it's love. Okay. You know, it's just, you know, there's that Philly love.

There's some we were talking about last night when you you've been a part of Philadelphia. You're from Philadelphia. There's just something special, about it. And, you know, I know you being a Bears fan Yeah. You're you're longing for that.

It's been since the mid eighties. Yes. So, you you know, we've had it more recently and we're Eagles are doing pretty good right now. So there there's a lot of love to go around.

It was I mean, he walked in today and Paige was showing the inside of her shoes to him. Yeah. Hey. Like, look at this type of green I got.

You know what? Inside the shoes, it's like the streets of Philly, of South Philly, the heart of Philly. I mean, Nike did those shoes right.

Yeah. You

gotta show them that.

Just 1 city to be a legend in. I I feel like Philadelphia would be be a pretty good 1.

Yeah. I mean, it's a it's a it's a awesome city. I mean, if any of you have ever been to a game in the link, I mean, it is a amazing place to be the home team. Yeah. If you're the away team, it sucks.

But there's also a lot of places in the NFL. It's that way. Right? You know, there's a lot of home field advantages, but, Philly is amazing, you know, going back there. I'm not 1 to want all the limelight, so going back there and walking around.

And I love seeing everyone, but I'm not built for that. Like, I I'm more of a laid back, like, even keel. Like, I don't mind going to grocery store, not getting recognized and stuff. So but it's, a lot of love in Philly. I

mean, you have a statue. Right?

Yeah. There there is 1 of

There's a statue outside the stadium. It's a good statue.

It's a great statue.

There's some bad statues recently.

It looks like me. Yeah. It actually looks like me. There's been some statues, the last several years that just aren't great. So whoever, you know, created statues, it's fantastic.

Yeah. An iconic moment that will that will stand the test of time. That's gotta be cool to think about. It's like Philadelphia will always remember this 1 moment, and you're you're a hero forever in their eyes. And yeah.

Philly fans, they can

be a little bit over

the top sometimes, but they also have your back. Were they ever down on you as a quarterback where, you felt like the wrath of the Philly fans?

I mean, I would say down never the wrath. But yeah. I mean, I think part of being a Philadelphia athlete or quarterback is they're gonna be down at you at times because you're not perfect. You're gonna you're gonna throw interception. You're gonna have some bad games.

You might even have a length of bad games and it's gonna be tough. You're gonna get booed. I mean, I've even had a great game throwing, like, 3 incompletions. You're gonna get a couple of boos. But I think you just have to start owning that and realize, like, that is the city and they they have your back.

They love you. But you also have to buy into that and you have to understand their perspective. Like, blue car, hardworking city, like, you know, their grandparents, their their moms, their dads took them to games. Now they're taking their kids to get it's a generational, like, place. So there's a lot of heart a lot of heartbreak.

And that's where, like, the Super Bowl year was so special because we finally were able to break that heartbreak.

Yeah.

And now there's a Super Bowl. They want more, but that's just part of you gotta understand that.

Do you think that maybe you screwed up by that 1 season that

you had?

I forget how many interceptions. There were just, like, a few just 2 interceptions, right, over

the course of 1 year? 27 and 2?

27 touchdowns, 2 interceptions. Was that a mistake on your part to do that? Because you set the expectation. So if you throw you throw, like, 9 interceptions the next year. They're like, this guy sucks.

You know what? It was amazing having that year and I was having so much fun playing in Chip's system. It's like playing basketball. You're just, you know, letting it rip, playing point guard and then, you know, it was different. You know, the next year, halfway through the season, I got injured but I think I had thrown, like 10 interceptions.

Everyone thought, like, the everything was falling apart but, like, I was still, like, we were still playing well. We were 6 and 2 but I think you do set expectations so high that you can't keep meeting that because there's always changes in the off season. The offense starts evolving. Coaches leave, players leave. So but, yeah, I think I definitely set expectations really high in 13.

Yeah.

And and, also, I would assume, like, is it for playing quarterback, you know, like, there's a element of luck to have that specific like, 27 and 2. You know, like, okay. A couple of them might have been dropped that won't go my way next year. Oh,

for sure. I mean, I had 1, you know, we're going back in time, but I think it was after the 7 touchdown game we're in Green Bay, and I threw, like, a post route down the middle to to d jack. And I think it went through, like, 2, corner in a safety's hands and then just popped up and djack caught him, just walked in backwards. And I'm just like, alright. You just feel me.

You gotta take the luck and the juice and the that favor when it comes. Yeah. But we had a lot of it that year and, you know, we were fortunate to, you know, unfortunately, we didn't win the playoff game, but we still had a good year.

Yeah. So so your Super Bowl season, Carson Wentz gets hurt in that Rams game. You come in and you're like, what what's going through your mind when you come in? Because you you're a really good team and that's a it's a it's a weird spot to be in in the fact that you've been rolling as a team, and you know that this team has big time aspirations. And now everyone's gonna look at you and be like, alright, dude.

Don't fuck this up. Was there did you feel that pressure? Were you like, this team is so good. I'm I'm I feel like almost supported by everyone.

I mean, Carson, as we all know, was having MVP caliber year that year. And then when he got hurt on the play, he actually stayed in through a touchdown the next play. And I knew something was wrong because I've been around him enough. I knew I I know how tough he is. So I knew something was wrong when he came off and they took him up.

I knew it was gonna be probably bad. Just from being around him and knowing his toughness. And, you know, your body, like, knows when something like that, like, I'm about to step in so all of a sudden the adrenaline changes, the nerves start coming, your stomach starts getting the, what we say, butterflies. And I think the key in that is I just took a moment, took a deep breath, you know, just said a prayer and just was like, you know what? I'm not gonna be out there alone.

I'm with 10 other guys in the huddle, and I have a great team around me. I just I need to do my job. I still have to execute at a high level. I can't just go out there and just sit there and hope someone else is gonna make a play. I'm a quarterback.

I have to make a play. But I also know there's, like, an acclimation period. So there was grace and understanding. But that was from my, you know, previous part of my career in playing football my whole life. I I think you have expectations to go out there, and if you don't meet them, then all of a sudden it gets in your head.

I knew I would need to acclimate. So I gave myself grace, and eventually, it hit at the right time. But, yeah, I mean, the nerves started. I'm human, man. The next day, I mean, I'm in a QB room, just Nate Subfeldt and I watching film, and we know what's happened.

We get the news about Carson. And I say we were watching film. We had the film on. We did not watch film that day because we were both going through emotions because we're, we're going to the playoffs. We have a great team and then we realize it's on our shoulders.

So we just talked about that and hashed it out as humans do because it's a lot of pressure but having that brother like Nate there during that time, you know, we developed such a brotherly bond that will last for life. But I'm so grateful I had him. But that was the realness after the situation. It's like, we're not in there, like, watching film. We're, like, dealing with the emotions of what is about to happen.

Right. So you you get to the Super Bowl that year, and you're going up against the Patriots. What did you what were your feelings? What was the mentality that you had going into that game? Because the Patriots, obviously, dynasty, 1 of the greatest football teams of all time, right in the the thick of their groove that they had.

What was the mentality going to that game to prepare yourself to to compete and eventually beat them?

Yeah. I think the biggest thing leading up to that I mean, you get a bye week before the Super Bowl, bowl, so you have that time at home to go through a normal prep week. So the biggest thing was preparation and then eliminating distractions. So a lot of going into the super bowl, there's a lot of hoopla and then, you know, you got a lot of tickets and you're trying to get family there. So my wife was a instrumental part of like taking control of all that so I didn't have to deal with it.

So I could just focus on ball, wasn't on my phone a lot, wasn't like you know, I might have talked to my dad once, I was just so locked in because we have so much respect for the patriots. 1 of the greatest dynasties, if not the greatest dynasties in NFL sports history, We know what we're going against. So just the preparation, the hard work, you know, testing things at practice, being super aggressive at at practice to test my limitations. And, you know, going into the game, I felt like we had a great preparation in those 2 weeks and, you know, we shredded all our papers and we hit all our stuff. And in the walk through, we had 13 to 15 guys.

So if they did have cameras in the stadium, you know, we were set. So, like, when we do our walk through in the stadium, when we did our Super Bowl picture, like, we literally had 13 guys in the huddle and we just said, do whatever you want. We're, like, hiding simple place.

Oh, you had, like, decoy guys running weird guys?

You know what? I think it's just, you know, I understood that you wanna take precautions. Like, even, like, when we got sheets of paper at the hotel, they're like, you're done with that? I'm like, well, yeah. We got a new 1.

They'll give it to me and they shred it

right there. Wow. Because you thought

the Patriots are, like, going through your trash.

Yeah. You know what? Any you know, the teams want the advantage. I mean, we see it in sports all the time. Every team's trying to find the advantage to get the upper hand.

So but going to the game, so much respect for the Patriots. But I you know, Doug Peterson and, you know, even, like, when I play for any of the biggest thing we they talk about is faceless opponents. Like, don't, like, think about, like, who they are, their history, or what's on their helmet. Just like their objects out there.

Mhmm.

So just treat them as objects and play them and do your job, and just execute the play. So I just kept it simple.

Alright. So I need an honest answer here. Was there any part of you when you got, you know, in the huddle, you're getting in the game, you're getting in the flow of the game, you're like, man, it would probably be a lot harder if Malcolm Butler was out there.

You know what? I didn't even think about that. I I wouldn't opponents. Yeah. I I I didn't even, like, even, like, you know, Gilmore out there.

Like, I who's 1 of the greatest DBs of all time. I I didn't even think about it. Really? Because I had so much trust in my guys

Mhmm.

That I didn't really care who was on them. And I know afterwards, that was a topic and everything. And, you know, Malcolm Butler, a great player, physical player, you know, they were talking about how he'd, you know, be up in the grill, holding on the guys, getting them off the line. But I still take out Sean any day of the week or any of my guys.

And I

have so much respect for Malcolm. Like, that's not me sticking a slide. That's just my mindset with them. And my my my teammates know that. Like, I would tell them, like, I don't care if there's 2 guys on you.

Make a play. Right. Worst case scenario, knock the dang ball down, but make a play. And I think when you tell your teammates that and they know that, that gives them a little bit extra juice when they're going there. But, hey.

He's gonna throw me the ball even if I'm covered, so I better just be ready and I better be aggressive.

Yeah. And Alshaw was 1 of those guys who could make, you know, the play whenever he was covered. He would go up and get it and be physical. What the the Philly special play, when that happens, well, walk us through it because, I mean, it's still a really cool thing to watch even the mic'd up where it's like the the moment where you guys kinda I I don't know if it was you or Doug who first said, hey. Should we do this?

Yeah.

Was it you? Yeah.

I ran over there. We had a play call beforehand, and we called a time out. So I ran over to Doug, and he just you know, sometimes you have this instincts like, hey. This play could work. You go run over to your coach, almost like you're in high school or middle school, and you're like, hey.

You know, you want Philly Philly. And, the headset goes quiet, you know, Doug's gotta make a decision. Like, he can say no. But, you know, Doug was the quarterback coach. My my quarterback coach, my rookie year, he he worked me out of Westlake High School.

So there's a lot of history between me and Doug and a lot of trust. So I think in that situation, he knew that my instincts were you know, he trusted it. I mean, if I'm gonna go over there and ask for Philly Philly, well, I'm running a route. Right. Trey's doing the ball and Corey's pitching it to him and we're doing the lane lane stuff.

Like, he's probably thinking, like, if Nick's feeling confident about this right now, this is the 1 time we probably should run it. So I'm just grateful he he allowed us to do it. And then, you know, going in the huddle, the biggest thing was

just not to smile

because I was excited to run it because I didn't think we'd be, like,

talking about

it here and I'd

be signing

Philly special autographs all the time.

The rest

of your life.

Yeah. It it

was a play that has a great name that just worked.

Yeah.

He just needed 6 points on 4th and 1 going in the halftime. Like, I to me, that's what that play was. It was not like, hey, I'm gonna run this play and I'm gonna sign autographs for it afterwards. I know. No.

No. This play will they're not gonna expect me to go on a route. They're gonna be a man coverage. They're not gonna account for me, and it's gonna work. We just have to, you know, get the lane lane stuff.

Corey's gotta get the snap. There's a lot of moving parts in it. Right. But that was the best we ever ran it and Trey threw an absolute dime.

Was there any part of you when the ball is in the area, like, don't fuck this up? Because that is it was so you were so wide open.

Yeah.

And it was right there that it's like, that actually can happen where guys Oh,

no doubt.

Will, like they'll stare at it for so long, they'll drop it.

You know, previous in the game, this is no slight of him because, you know, Tom's the greatest. Yeah. But Tom they had ran a similar 1. It was different, but, you know, a quarterback going out and passing, you know, it was right where I was standing on the sidelines. So, like, I saw it go through his fingertips and drop it in my mind.

That might have even put it, like, more at the forefront of my mind watching him do it, like, alright. We're gonna get this called. But I'm gonna make sure I look this thing in, and I don't care if I look like an idiot. I'm gonna look it in, like, I'm, like, in elementary school

Right. And

catch the ball. Yeah.

Because I

just need to catch it. I don't wanna drop it or act cool. Not that Tom was. I think Tom just had taken a rib shot or something. So he was feeling it.

But, no, I I felt confident. I mean, I you know, basketball player growing up, I you know, they the reason they had me go out on routes because before every game, I go out there catching 1 handed passes and throwing it all around like I'm a kid so I can get that, like, kid feel warm up the body. So I can catch the the ball 1 hand and all that. I was not gonna do it on that play, though. I was gonna look that thing in and you see me.

I make the triangle and everything.

Yeah. You did. It was like picture perfect. Yeah. Yeah.

You you look like a 12 year old or, like, trying to figure out how to, you know, catch a pass.

So now when I coach you sports, I say even, you know, when you're in the Super Bowl, I'm making the triangle. I'm I'm keeping my hands together. I'm not, you know, trying to do all this stuff. So I have a teaching photo and a teaching case of me going out on route.

Yeah. So when you guys practice it that week, you said that was the best that you'd run it was during the game.

Yeah.

Were you confident in the play? Like, you had, how many times did you practice it beforehand?

You know, we had it in before we played the Vikings, in the divisional round. We put it in the biweek and, you know, any great trick play, you know, Doug Peterson and Reno say it needs marination. There's always, like, food terms with those guys. They love food. So marination, you gotta let it set, marinate till it's ready.

You know, that that does sound like Andy Reid. Right? But

that's where

it comes from. So, know, we had it in, and, we probably ran it full speed maybe, like, twice the whole month and then walked through a few times. So it was I don't even know if I asked Doug right now if he really thought he was gonna call it that game. We had talked about it, but he might have just been making me feel better. I mean, I just talked to Jason Kelsey about it a couple weeks ago, and he said when I called him in the huddle, he's like, we're calling this play.

So I I didn't know he felt that way, but you're not now we can all look back and, you know, be really happy about it. But that was the best we had ever ran it and, you know, the best trade through it and everything.

The craziest part about that play, if you watch it back, is too that it Tory Smith was wide open as well. Yeah.

He was not. I was the only option. Yeah.

I know you're the only option, but it was, like, such a well, drawn up play. Like, he was running over the middle wide open.

Yeah. Yeah. He just supposed Alshawn's supposed to, you know, create confusion. Tory's supposed to create confusion, and then, they're supposed to drop me. Yeah.

And it worked like that. Yeah. So

you you mentioned Tom Brady, and how he was not able to catch the ball earlier. But do you know that to this day, like, he has a hard time saying your name? You're like his kryptonite. He he just won't even acknowledge you.

You know, I and, honestly, I think that's a, you know, a huge sign of so I respect Tom so much. I feel like that is his way of giving me respect. You know, I I've actually had a time to FaceTime him, and he actually shared that, you know, there's just a lot of respect and he, you know, he's such a competitor. There's a reason he's the grace of all time because he he has those emotions and, you know, he's not focusing on all his Super Bowl wins. He's focusing on where he could have been better, and that's why he's so great.

And that's why, you know, I know even in broadcasting, he's, you know, working to continue to grow. I mean, everything he does, he's always working. That's, like, in his DNA. So I take it as a sign of respect for him and, you know, that's, saying a lot to have that from Tom.

Yeah. There's a there was a a famous clip in in the Patriots documentary, the dynasty documentary. Did you see that

where I

didn't watch it, but I heard some things.

Okay. So so they had, they had the NFL films Yeah. Version of the Philly special, and they put that in. And he edited out Foles. Like, the word Foles has actually been removed from that as a broadcast.

I think that's a pretty healthy mentality to have to be, like, you know what? Tom Brady wouldn't do this about somebody that he isn't that he doesn't respect because you beat him.

No. For sure. And I I I but I think you have to, like, realize that. I think at first, like, oh, man. But then you realize, like, you know what?

That is a sign of respect. So you just it's perspective. So, all admiration for Tom, and that's cool.

You know,

we like I said, we've FaceTimed since then, and I I know for a fact it's just, you know, he has a lot of respect for me, and that means a lot.

He probably thinks about you all the time.

Yeah. I mean, I I hope I hope not. I don't think about

it a lot. So

hopefully, hopefully, think about better things than me.

Yeah. Alright. She mentioned something there when you're talking about, like, the you know, you played basketball and you that's how you'd warm up. You a lot of guys obviously in the NFL are like, yeah. This I had another sport that I was really good at.

You got recruited by Georgetown. You got offered by Georgetown. Recruited.

I would say, you know, I could have played potentially d 1. I I mean, those guys are so dynamic, though. I was a good basketball player.

No. I mean, you sounds like you were a great basketball player if those if Georgetown, Baylor, and Texas were all looking at you?

Yeah. They're all looking, you know, potentially would've had a chance to play at Baylor, but, you know, ended up at Michigan State my 1st year. But, you know, basketball and football, you know, if you there's just there's such a different feeling when you step on a court. You know, basketball I mean, football, when you're playing quarterback, like, you're you're trying to think about execution, you know, making sure, you know, you're always thinking about, like, our protections. You gotta be protected first.

All these different things. Basketball, you're just like, I'm gonna let it rip. You make a mistake on the basketball court, you can fix it on the defensive end. Right. You know, all that.

Possession is right. Is very different.

Yeah.

You know, football is very different. So it's a different emotion. My brother-in-law, you know, both don't play basketball in college. 1, you know, was a 2 sport. Evan was a 2 sport athlete at Stanford, played in the NFL for 5 years, you know, as a tight end.

And we talk about it all the time, like, you know, going to the football game, you're just thinking about execution, doing your job. Basketball, you're just, like, going out there and just letting it rip.

So What was your game like? What was your

You know, I was always a place. I was a big, you know, 3 point shooter, but obviously being, you know, 65 and I was probably in high school, you know, 2 35. I take it down low, big, you know, aggressive with rebounding, a little bit of everything. Yeah. You know, definitely, you know, shot some threes.

When could you when could you first palm a a basketball? Because your hands are huge.

Yeah. I palmed it in middle school. 1st dunk first time I dunked it was 8th grade.

Wow. Jesus. So That's pretty cool. That's pretty awesome. That's awesome.

Yeah.

So when you went to Michigan State, I know that Izzo likes to get basketball players sometimes to compete against the football team Yeah. To, like, toughen them up and to learn how to rebound. Did you ever get that call?

I never got that call. When I went to the University of Arizona, though, in the off season, you know, we did a lot of pickup ball. We had a lot of great basketball players on our football team. So we would scrimmage the basketball team at the rec center. So we had a lot of good battles with the basketball team.

And that was fun because those guys I mean, basketball players and I just went to NBA game not long ago, and those guys are just so talented.

Yeah. Like, the

those are the guys on the court are just so athletic, big, fast, like, the way they can play, the way they can shoot. I mean, I think I saw, like, 10 straight baskets made. And then you go watch college. College players are amazing as well, but it's definitely different than the NBA.

It's a chaos.

It's always the shot making the NBA always just try like, it's it always shocks me because, like, they just do not miss open shots They don't. No matter what.

No. Like, it just doesn't happen. In college, you see it all the time. In NBA, they just drain it.

Yeah. Every single time. Alright. So I have to ask you, and I don't know how much insight you can give me, but you you obviously you played for the beer Bears for, 2 years. You also were kind of on a team that's kind of like this year's bears in the fact that it's a young quarterback and they're transitioning coaches and you were there for the last year Nagy.

How shoot me straight. How much of a clusterfuck is it at House Hall just from an organizational standpoint?

You know what? They're sort of in this cycle that it's just not a healthy cycle. Yeah. And and what I why I say that is, you know, you look back to their last 3, draft picks at quarterback. You know, you got Mitch, you got Justin, you got Cale.

Right? So their coaching staff, at the end of their, like, their prove it year, they draft a quarterback in the 1st round. So they get that rookie quarterback for 1 year. They throw them out there with they've been struggling. They're long their last leg.

They have to win that year to stay there, and if not, they're gone. So they bet on everything. So then they get the rookie quarterback gets 1 year with the coaching staff, and then they're it's they've just been fired.

Yeah.

Because it it and then that rookie quarterback who, mind you, all 3 of those guys are outstanding players. You know, Caleb's a great player. Justin Mitch, all outstanding players. Then they have to get a whole new regime with a whole new offense after taking a beating and going through that psychological battle as a rookie where you come from college, you're the man, you're 1st round pick, you have all this confidence. Not saying you lose it all, but it takes a, you know, it takes a hit and then you have a whole new staff.

And then you you have to deal with that again. So it's not a great cycle. You'd rather, you know, as ownership and everything, if you know that, like, don't let them draft a quarterback even, you know, at the end of their leg, you want a new staff come in, choose a court. Now fortunately, they've inherited 3 great quarterbacks.

Yeah.

It just hasn't worked out. So my hope for them is because, you know, playing for Chicago for 2 years and just seeing how much the bears fans love the bears and how much they wanna succeed. You know, they had the great year in 2018 that, you know, I was with the Eagles and put yeah. We'll bring I'm sorry about that. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. That was the only great year for a long time. Yeah.

But they just you know, they're not far away. There's you know, I was in the locker room there.

Far away.

It feels far away.

Far away. You you literally were in you because you were last year, Mitch, 1st year Justin. Right?

Yes.

Yeah. So you you've seen it. You've seen it. You I've seen it.

Know it. You you know

it as intimate as as kid. You watched it happen where it's like and then not only 1st year Justin, but last year, Nagy.

Yeah. And they and, you know, when I was there, like, the locker room was so good. Like, the we had good talent. We had great leadership. We had great guys.

We had a locker room that could win, because I had seen 1 in locker rooms. Yeah.

I I

I was like, we have a winning locker room. They're just missing some pieces outside it. And what I've seen, you know, through my career is when I started my career, I always thought it's the locker room. It's locker room. And that is a huge part.

But what helps create the locker room is top down. You know? You know, when I was in Philadelphia, you know, just with mister Lohrey, just how he approached ownership, you know, in Kansas City, you know, the Hunt family. You know, I always say about mister Lawrie is, like, he was at a lot of practices and before every game he's in there and he goes around and shakes everyone's hand and then, you know, he wants to win just as best. And I'm not saying that's different like in Chicago, but I just you know, they're gonna make those plays.

You know, how he Roseman's super aggressive with getting guys. So I don't know. I mean, I love the locker room when I was here. I love my teammates when I was here. It was unfortunate we didn't have success.

I mean, coach Nagy's had great success since he's gone back to KC. I mean, now what does he have? 2 rings?

Yeah. I mean, Patrick Mahomes.

I mean, Pat Pat definitely helps, but, you know, they have a Yeah.

I'm gonna give those to Patrick Mahomes, Andy Rich. I'm not gonna let you do that. But yeah. No. I I so so what is a locker room like a win when you say winning locker room?

Because I I agree. Like, obviously, we don't we don't know the the intimacy of an NFL locker room, but it does feel like culture matters a lot. And, yeah, talent is important, but, like, guys who feel like they want to, like, die for each other can go a long way. Yeah. And and how does that like, is is there a certain amount of leaders?

Is there a certain amount of or or is it, like you said, top down, the owner, the the GM, the coach, they all have to be aligned?

You know, you definitely want an alignment up there. I think you gotta have a strong head coach. You gotta have a strong personality, that when they take the job, you know, you you see a lot of coaches that take a lot of input from outside sources or, like, maybe the ownership, like and then it changes the way that they view how they'd run a team. I always go to the example of Andy Reid. I think Andy Reid is the greatest.

I love coach Reid. Andy Reid has a way he knows he's gonna coach, and you're not gonna he's gonna listen to input, but Big Red's gonna make the best decision. Like, you might think, like, you have said something that's really gonna impact and change the way that he knows what's best for the pulse of his team, and he's gonna take you that direction. He's gonna lead. Whereas, sometimes we listen to outside sources, and then we'd be like, you know what?

Because so and so said this, I need to do it. Maybe ownership said, hey. You need to do this, and then you do it. Coach Reid, they trust coach Reid rightfully so

to

make those decisions and do those things. So in my opinion, you know, ownership's gotta be strong, but you have to have a head coach that can take the reins and you he just goes.

And he

makes all those decisions. But when he's in front of the team, like, you have a lot of guys and a lot of different personalities and a lot of different backgrounds, which I think is so awesome about, like, football. Because you come together as 1, you go on the field as 1, and you there's, you know, all these different backgrounds. But you need someone at the, you know, lead of it, the head coach that's, like, gonna, you know, do all that. Like, you know, coach Tomlin, like, how much success has he had in Pittsburgh with all these different things?

Mhmm. You know, he has a way he leads that is his way.

Yeah.

It's no 1 else's. He's not gonna be anyone else. So if I'm getting a head coach, I'm a be like, hey. I wanna coach with the personality that's gonna move a room. Now the locker room, you gotta have talent, you gotta have guys, and you gotta put egos to the side to be great.

Because if egos come in, it can be, you know, toxifying to a locker room. But what helps that is a head coach that sees that and stops it before it gets started. So I don't know. Andy Reid was always a great, you know, example for me in doing that.

Yeah. He also had big Dom. I help I think big Dom helps the

locker room too. You know, big Dom, you know, he has a great pulse on the locker room and the guys. Yeah. He does. And, you know, he's 1 of my you know, just being in Philadelphia, just going and sitting with big Dom and his, you know, his office is 1 tenth this side.

It's literally just like a little story. He loves it. He loves it. You know, he has a great because he they're not gonna let things fly. They're you know, if something's going on, they're gonna, you know, nip it in the butt.

They're gonna knock it out. They're not gonna let it fester. They're gonna find a way to get through it, And that's why they have success in Philadelphia. That's why they the teams that have success when things become toxifying the locker room, they stop it before it gets started. Whereas, you know, teams that ultimately fall apart, it's the coach feels uncomfortable to, like, step in because of the, you know, maybe it's like a high paid player or something like that.

And it's scary, but, like, we're all human beings. We're all players. We wanna succeed at this level. Sometimes we just need a coach to come in and intervene and, like, you know, separate and then let's talk this thing out. Usually, when you talk it out and you put everything on the table, we usually get through it.

I mean,

that's just part of it. Do you think big Dom had AJ Brown and Jalen Hertz have a sit down?

You know what? I have no information on that. I do know if Would

that surprise you if big Dom was, like, hey, boys, we gotta have a sit down?

It it would not surprise me if Big Dom came over and said, hey. No. Like, that would not surprise me. Yeah. But I have no idea if that happened.

If it happened, yeah. That's fair.

No. You're answering. I I do have another Big Dom question. Just walk me through, like, what's Big Dom's day to day? What does he do?

You know what? When I was there, it's very different. The guy you know, Big Dom's a celebrity now. I mean, he's going to, like, you know, take pictures and sign a hug. I mean, he's he's he's big sexy.

So, you know, his day to day I mean, he's there in the morning. He goes to his office. I mean, I could not tell you everything that man does. That man is a secret weapon for the Philadelphia Eagles. He has been in that way for a long time.

But it's funny just seeing him, you know, being around him. And that's my guy. And just seeing him in his track suits and

Yeah. He's the best. He used to be the best kept secret. And and me and Big Cat were were upset that we didn't know about Big Dom until just a couple years ago.

At Max on the this the 40 niners game when Big Dom was introduced to America. We're like, you've been keeping this from us?

Yeah. Why isn't Big Dom here with me right now?

I it should be.

He sent us some footballs. I think he autographed some footballs.

Yeah. He he text me. He calls me my, he says you're my paisons to us. So he's we're I think we're big dom approved.

And then I'm at the Super Bowl, and he was, I I forget what he said. Like, I was, like, kid rock on mushrooms or something. It was the highest compliment I've ever.

He almost arrested you.

Yeah. Yeah. At some point, he's got he's got to write a book. Yeah. He needs a book.

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So Max is a huge Eagles fan, big Philly sports guy. I'm sure he has some questions for you.

He's he said many, many questions. Oh, we gotta put the headphones on. They're right next to you.

Oh, I got it. Yeah. There you go. Look at that.

I said few for the record.

Okay. Few?

So how many is a few?

I think I have 3.

3 questions.

I didn't write any of them down.

But You also screwed up Nick giving him, like, a short cord on the

It's alright. I'm making it work.

That's Hank. That's Hank.

Yeah. Okay. Hank also, by

the way, couldn't list he didn't have his headphones on the entire time back here.

He couldn't listen?

Couldn't listen to a single word that he was saying.

Hank's Hank's, like, Tom Brady's fan. He literally left. Yeah. Yeah. He walked out.

This is an ultimate sign of

how he's acting like that.

For he walked out for a meeting. I'll give him credit for that.

How did he choose

you? Yeah. Right.

He was talking about the Super Bowl. He said he couldn't he couldn't listen.

He couldn't listen. Alright. Go ahead, Max.

First of all, I wanna thank you for everything you've done for the city of Philadelphia and for the people of Philadelphia. You're the best, and I love you.

This is this is this is very similar to what Luca Bratsy and The Godfather, like but, you know, practicing his speech. Like, hey. I just wanted to thank you for your

on your daughter's wedding day.

Yep. He's got he's got his notes right in

front of him, so he's good.

He's good. I got nothing.

You can see what he's he's looking at. Yeah.

First question, Philly Philly call. Had you ever gone to Peterson before and, like, recommended another call, or was that a 1 and done situation?

You know, I've definitely had times in my life where I've gone over to coaches and recommended plays, you know, before the Philly Philly call with Doug. I'm sure we talked about things on the sideline. The next big moment, play call that I ran over to Doug for was actually against the bears in the playoff game. I was like, hey. Let's do q 8, to Golden Tate, and let's just run it.

Because we had 2 plays called and they were doing like a 0 0 hole coverage which basically means it looks like they're bringing everyone but they can also drop out. And, so that was the next time but that was the next year. So there's only a few times that I've run over there because usually, you know, Doug's a great play caller. So I mean, most of the time, when he'd call plays, I'd I'd approve and I I I knew what he was thinking. That was the biggest thing with quarterbacks that if you have quarterbacks listening to this, the biggest thing you can do is, you know, know your your play caller and why they're calling a play.

You know, that's the what's the intentionality of the play? So I knew that with Doug, so I really never had to do that other than that.

Were you confident that he was gonna say yes to that? I mean, that is a crazy call.

You know what? I think me mispronouncing the name of the play, the Philly special, I'm asking for Philly Philly. I don't know if it was all the commercials on TV or what it was that were going Philly Philly. Maybe rattled his brain to where he just said yes. But, no, I you know, we had talked about it.

We were more thinking second half go up by 2 scores, you know, safer place to do it, not 4th and 1 in that situation. But at the same time, like I said, you know, when a quarterback runs over there and you trust the quarterback, a lot of times the coach goes

with it.

Okay. That was great.

That was it? No. No. No. No.

I got no idea. I am more.

He's he's letting us soak

it up.

No. No. No. He just he just

revision he just

just thought about that memory 1 more time. That I mean, that's good.

Great that I'll never forget where I was. Okay. I know it's been said before, I think, in, like, different media outlets. What where did the hungry dogs thing start, and, like, what was the story that came from there?

Yeah. Hun hungry dogs run faster, was from you know, and this is from my knowledge and, you know, I'll get fact checked. But from Jeff Stoutland, the offensive line coach who is still at Philadelphia and, you know, he's with Chip Kelly, Doug Peterson, and, you know, now with Sirianni. He's just an amazing o line coach, does a great job, has the guys love him. I mean, the line play consistently since 2013 has been fantastic and that's 1 been because of the o linemen and the quality of o linemen but also because of coach Tallon.

So that's 1 of his sayings is, you know, hungry dogs run faster. And that's the mentality he wanted from his o line and then, you know, the underdog stuff came in because, you know, we're 1 of the top teams statistically, going into the playoffs. But then when I took over, we then became the least feared, which they we printed all over our facility. So even when you went to the restroom and you went number 2, where you thought you could have peace from everything, you look to your right and it's just on the wall. Mhmm.

So there was there was a reminder, like, what it reminded me of was, like, don't take anything for granted. No 1 expects every anything from us,

so put in the work. So coach Stout, like, that was forever. That wasn't just because that they were underdogs in every game. Like, all year, he was saying hungry dogs run fast.

I feel from what I know, that's always been 1 of his, sayings in the o line, and then it just sort of transformed to the underdog mentality. And then, you know, underdog mentality with what what is underdog well, hungry dogs run faster. But once again, now I got another host guest for y'all. Get get coached out on the show. He'd he'd be better than me.

Yeah. No.

I think he just they just came out with NFL films about him last night. I didn't get to watch it.

Yeah. He's fantastic. He's I mean He's fantastic. Yeah.

Eagles online always the best. Yep. Alright. Last question, I think. You talked a little about little bit about the Philly media.

They like to emphasize drama. What was a quarterback room like when you were when you were taking over?

Yeah. I mean, they're they're always gonna emphasize drama. I mean, we had a really solid quarterback room in Philadelphia. I mean, with Carson, Nate, and I, is really solid. Obviously, with Carson going down, I mean, that you know, 1 thing I always do with my teammates is try to put myself in what they're going through, whether it's an injury or, you know, that's difficult.

So, you know, with Carson having such an amazing year and then getting injured like that down the stretch and then, you know, we keep going, that that's tough, man. He handled that so well. And it was it was a really great quarterback room and we've all stayed in touch. You know, I was in Nate Sudfeld's wedding and, you know, when Carson went to Kansas City, I I texted him. It was, like, pumped for him because I I got to play for Kansas City in 16 with Andy and just said how much he's gonna love it.

And, you know, I was like, hey. Go get some burn ins, know, make sure you enjoy it while you're there. So really, you know, for the NFL standards, great quarterback room.

I love what Max did right there because he was like, you know, the Philly media, they always try to get drama. Can you please talk some shit about Carson Wentz?

That wasn't what I said. Yeah.

It was. Like He he was what you were

telling me. Hey.

I was just acknowledging that that was that was something that was being talked about Yeah.

At that time. Yeah. I

also like how you say the word drama, like, with a j.

Yeah. There was

a lot of I mean Drama. That's what Philly Media likes to do. They're doing it right now.

You're doing it right now. You're doing it.

You're doing it. Max, you're literally doing it.

To give the opportunity to say that the Philly Media overemphasizes things, and that's what's going on with Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown right now.

Mhmm.

They were saying that Nick and Carson were that Carson was pissed off that he was there, and I wanted to give him the chance to say that wasn't true or if it was true.

So, yeah, you got it from me that we had a great quarterback room. And light the life emotions definitely go in, but we had a great quarterback room in the sense of, like, caring for 1 another and having, like, you know, being there during an injury, deep being there during a difficult situation. And, you know, the Philadelphia media is nationally known for, you know, being, you know, putting stuff out there and being aggressive with it. I mean, that's what they do and that that's their job to do that. That's how they put food on the table for, you know, their family and that's what they're asked to do.

It is a, you know, when you go into the media and the thing with them is I always had a great relationship with the media because I eventually just took the perspective. I was like, listen, these are human beings. I know what they're doing. I know they have to ask these questions. They have maybe they wanna ask you or their boss is telling them, like, you have to ask this.

It's my job to not get offended or be upset about it. And if I can't answer a question, I just have to pivot it and give them something to write about. Like, they have to write something. So instead of just being upset and like, why'd you ask that? It's like, you know, I I I'd eventually be like, you know I can't answer that.

So nice try, but what I can give you is this.

Mhmm. But it

was more just having that because, I mean, you don't want the media mad at you. Right. I can feel you. I mean, if they're mad at you, they're gonna go at you. So I always wanna treat them as human beings and have that perspective.

And in doing so, I felt like I had a really great relationship with them and I never really had an issue with it. I actually had fun going into the media. I I changed my perspective. It's like, when I go into this, I get my, you know, heads up, like, hey, here's some stuff that's going on. But I'm like, alright.

Let's see what they're gonna try to ask. As opposed to, like, I hope they don't ask this because I'm gonna get pissed off.

I was like, let me see if they

go this way. And if they did, I just had fun with it.

Yeah. Would you listen to the Philly media?

Would you

find yourself in the car tuned in?

No. I actually don't listen to much I don't literally listen to media. I listen to country music, some Christian raps and Christian music, and then, my kids running around screaming. Yeah. That's about it.

Yeah. To me, there would be, like, a little bit of morbid curiosity where I I would know that it wouldn't be healthy for me, but I'd find myself on the drive into the the facility, and I'd be like, let's just see what WIP is saying.

Yeah. I would I would do, like, 1 minute of radio on, 1 minute off. Yeah. Just be like, alright. Give me a little taste.

You're gonna do, like, a little interval set

of the radio. Yeah. Right.

That that's your so so the problem with that okay. If you're a normal fan, I get it. But if you're a player or a coach, and I know the coaches, you know, there's coach out there actually do listen. And they could say it's their prep work for the media and stuff. But my thing is this, it goes back to what I said at the beginning with, like, coach Reed and stuff.

Like, you have to have a clear cut direction of where you wanna go without the outside sources coming in. Mhmm. So the second you bring in someone talking potentially bad or ill or dramatic about your team, no matter what you do, it's gonna be a part of your mind.

Yeah.

Like, you're you're not tough enough to say, I'm not gonna let this affect me. It might affect you 1%. But that 1%, you're gonna need to be the best that you can be in the NFL. So that's why I think, you know, anytime you do that as a, you know, coach or player, you're creating clutter in your brain that you don't want in there.

Yeah. It's better to just ignore completely. If you hear them

say, like, 1 thing nice about you, if you have a good game and you tune in real quick and they're like, oh, Nick Foles, he's the best. This guy's the best.

You don't

want that either. And then

you don't want that either because when you have a bad game, they say something bad about you, then that's gonna absolutely crush you because you already put you gave them power in the 1st place

Yeah.

To to, like, have your emotions affected by them. So you don't want it to swing the other way. What about the off season after the Super Bowl? Was there did you think that, like, hey. I might just stick around in Philly for a little bit?

You know what? I knew that, I was signed for 2 years. So I was signed to go there, you know, back of Carson for 2 years. So I was under contract and I love Philadelphia. I wish, you know, it's 1 of those places you wish you could play your whole career and that's why I retired there.

But I we restructured my deal. I I wasn't gonna be like, hey, I wanna be trade I wanna be released like so we restructured it and, added some bonus protection and all that if I played again. But, you know, after winning the Super Bowl, you know, that never crossed my mind. You're so busy too. We wrote a book, you're doing different tours and it just happens, you know, we our daughter Lily was 7, 8 months old when we won it.

You're going on shows. So it then all of a sudden, the off season hits. And it was really nice going back to Philadelphia and, you know, I took all the reps in the off season as Carson healed. But, you know, once he came back, I was running scout team. And it was good for my heart though.

You know, you go from winning the Super Bowl and being Super Bowl MVP and then all of a sudden, you're running scout team and it's just part of it. But it it was a lot of you know, I love the I love the guys, the locker room, and I really love going to work there. But I knew after that season when Carson in 18, when we beat the Bears in the playoffs Yeah.

You can.

And I say that, but I'm also I'm also a bear.

Yeah. I knew that That game broke Matt Nagy's brain forever.

I know. Yeah. I know. I remember running that same play and practice as a bear and completed it and they're Broke his brain. And I and I and they were just like, oh, we can't have you run that play.

Like, oh my damn. There's some ill will towards here. But, Yeah. I I think, you know, I was excited to go back and we restructured it. And I'm glad I had 18.

I'm glad, you know, I didn't have to go reset somewhere else after winning the Super Bowl and being there. You know, we love it. Like I said, that's why I retired there is how much I love the Eagles.

Yeah. Was it was that a humbling moment? Like, you you're Super Bowl MVP and then, boom, scout team.

You know, it's definitely humbling, but, you know, God had worked so much in my heart through the years. And, you know, when I almost stepped away from the game after my year, in St. Louis that I realized when I came back to the game, I was like, you know, whatever I do, I wanna glorify god throughout that. So I just looked at that as another, you know, opportunity to do so and, you know, he god had done such a work that he took the, you know, maybe the football being an idol or my identity. And he was like, you know what?

You know, your representation of me, you're not perfect. I'm I'm a, you know, I'm a human. I'm sinful. I'm I'm I've fallen short, but, like, I I got to be an example in that situation. So you definitely have to fight the demons.

If I man, like, when I walk into the facility, like, the first pictures, like, me catching the Philly special on the Super Bowl 52 logo, but then I reminded, like, I get to be an example in the locker room with the young guys, the guys coming in, the guys that are here. You know, even I remember when we were going to London for the London game, you know, all the starters were in the 1st class because they're playing, and then I'm in the back of the plane, you know, with a lot of the, you know, scout team and guys who are, you know, back up because I was back up. And, you know, we even had some starters come back there with me. He's like, well, Nick's in the back of the plane. You know, I'm a be back there too.

So it was 1 of those things where it was really cool, and I just didn't wanna let that ego, you know, take over my heart. Because if it does, it can be come toxic to the team.

Yeah. Max was just shaking his head like, don't fucking let Nick fool me at the back of the plane. Yeah. He he was upset about that. So when you look back because it's it's really interesting.

Your career is fascinating because you had the highs, the lows, like, backup, bunch of different teams. Do you look back and you're just like, well, at least, you know, there was that that year I proved that, like, what my peak was. And, like, that was I was able to find I was able to show everyone this is the guy that was inside me the whole time. And, yeah, there was some tie you know, the Jaguars didn't go so well. And, you know, there's there's times where you bounce around.

You even said you you thought about retiring. But do you do you look back and the first thing you think of is like, yeah. See that? I I was able to prove to everyone I'm a Super Bowl MVP.

You know, I look back on on my career just because it was such a a wild journey, you know, from the beginning to the end. And I look back with gratitude. And the 1 thing is funny because, like, you know, growing up and growing in my faith and through different situation in life, I always, like, prayed for wisdom. So, like, I feel like you wanna be downloaded with wisdom. I just download it.

Like, we download and update on our iPhone or Android or whatever y'all are. Yeah. Yeah. No. We're iPhone.

Oh, yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But,

We're not crazy.

The green bubble sucks.

Are you Android? I go back

and forth on my phone right now, but I go back and forth. I go I I like technology.

That's crazy.

Yeah. Hey. I like testing. I always try to, you know, test different things out. Okay.

But when I when I look back at it, I I gained a lot of wisdom through the ups and downs and, you know, even the you know, when we got to the high, I had the heart to realize that, you know, this is really special. Embrace it. Enjoy it. And it's about the journey and the people alongside it. It's not about the trophy.

It's about, you know, you remember the moments, the tough moments because it was so hard to get there. Mhmm. And then why was I able to endure those moments with my teammates? Well, it was because of the the bad moments before that I thought were bad that taught me something inside when every time we'd step on the field, we'd get killed. Maybe when I was in Saint Louis, when I was struggling, when I got benched, you know, where I almost left the game and came back to Kansas City.

All those different moments come to fruition, and I realized how much wisdom I gained to where now I am retired and, you know, raising 3 children. And raising kids is not easy because you're being intentional and all the different things go on. But it's also the most special thing in life. But I say that as it's also very hard. Mhmm.

So, you know, even coaching you sports, there's a lot of wisdom, and I'm grateful for that. So when I look back, I know what I was able to do. I showed moments of that, but I also think it was a great example of how how important a team is. Yeah. You know, it wasn't me.

It was my teammates and our coaches and everything together. So whenever I had success, everyone always says, like, why did you have so much success in Philadelphia? Well, they have a great owner. They have, you know Howie's done a great job as GM, and they've done great with coaches in the locker room. They they have a system that they hold to.

And then, also, I think the fan base. The fan base really, like, makes you know, it's like we said, like, they're gonna hold you accountable just as much, if not more than any fan base. So, like, you better lock in because you can't go out there complacent on Sunday or Monday or Thursday whenever you're playing. Like, you have to bring it every single day because those fans are gonna let you hear it.

So Yeah. You you remember that

we said, there's not that way all the time. Sometimes the stadium's not full. So it's not that accountability. Mhmm.

Wait. So when you almost walked away from the game, that was in Saint Louis?

After Saint Louis, I just it was such a turmoil year. It's the year the last year there in Saint Louis going to LA, and there's a lot of different moving parts that happened. And, I just been traded from Philadelphia and it was just I I just did not have fun playing the game, lost heart for the game, and really needed to take a, you know, deep breath. And I just feel like playing football, you know, when in the NFL, it's a business. But at the same time, like, you gotta play the game with a childlike heart and a love for the game.

Like, that's gotta be a part of it. So I had lost that part of it, and I didn't know if I was gonna get it back. And then, you know, went through this journey and, you know, it was all based on a journey God had presented before me. You know, my wife was such a huge piece of that. You know

I read that she wrote you a letter.

She wrote me a letter that I keep in a bible at my house and, you know, I have several different study bibles and everything. And occasionally, whenever I'm using that study bible, it'll be there and I'll reread it. And it was it was her being an amazing wife and best friend and just, 1, challenging me, but, 2, realizing, like, she was there no matter what I decided. But she also felt like I was going through something and I needed to face it head on and let not let that darkness overtake me.

So Was it a handwritten letter?

It was she typed it up. I think she probably hand wrote it and then typed it up. Yeah. But it's it's

And then she just handed you she's, like

She's a great writer.

She's, like, hearing my words, and then you sat down. You read a letter. That's that's very old school, but it sounds like it was powerful. Yeah.

It it was a long letter.

Yeah. It

was, like, 4 pages. So it was a long letter.

I mean, you have to think back now every now and then being like, what if I had retired? You I I know money's not everything, but you ended up making, like, $60 more $1,000,000 and won a Super Bowl MVP. That's an all time what if.

Yeah.

I mean, that that's crazy.

Yeah. I mean, in the moment that I decided to go back and play, I'll never forget it. You know, we were in California and I was you know, I just got back from a camping trip with Tory's brother, Ryan. We went camping and fly fishing and, you know, it was actually the first time I had peace since I was probably a kid because football did not consume me. I had just been released from the Rams, so I was free.

No team controlled me. I got to go on a camping trip. Andy Reid and I were texting because I was a free agent and, you know, he wanted me to go to KC and I just told him, like, hey, I I think I'm done. I'm just gonna go on this trip and just enjoy being out in the wilderness and fly fish. I I never got a chance to do that because I was always training.

And then I got back and I had to deal with, you know, 6 teams that called and all these different things, and Tory and I are talking about everything. And it's just really hard for me to take because I'm not ready to make a decision, and I just didn't feel like I could do it. But then, I remember just saying a prayer, you know, prayer to God, like, God, like, I really don't know what to do. I'm struggling and, you know, there's this the calming voice or something inside me, whatever it was, discernment from the holy spirit that said, just move. Yeah.

Like, stop being paralyzed. You're living in fear. That doesn't come from me. Either retire and I'll be with you and I love you and I'll be with you or go back and play. And then the ultimate deciding factor is what are you most afraid of?

Like, what is and I was more most afraid of going back to play. So that's why I made the decision. It was like, that was the thing I did not wanna do, but I was most afraid of. And I knew that he'd be walking alongside me. So called Andy Reid.

I left. My wife thought I was calling my agent to just put in my retirement papers.

Wow.

And she had no idea. Because this the conversation had gone where I was probably gonna retire.

Yeah.

Because we're, like, in tears.

Exactly. Close. Yeah.

It was tough. And she was there and she's our rock of our family. I walk outside. I call Andy Reid and I'm like, hey, if you'll have me the training camp's already a week or 2 in. I was like, I'll come.

I was like, and I told him a 100% what was going on in my heart. So he knew I'm like, hey, but if the love of the game could come back, I know it's planned for you in Kansas City. And if you'll still have me, I'd be honored to come here and give it a shot. Because training camp, you have so many guys. So, like, if I don't cut it and I lose heart, they're just gonna cut me anyway.

Yeah.

Right. So called my agent, told him, and then I hadn't thrown a ball for, like, 3, 4 months or something. So that night, you know, I called Tory's brothers, Evan and Ryan, who, like I said, both great athletes. I'm like, hey. We gotta go find a field and throw.

I gotta see if I can still throw this thing. So I went through, and then, like, a day later, I'm on a fight KC, you know, get to training camp. They don't have, like, pads or shoes or helmet that fit the quarterback because they didn't count on that. So, like, I'm wearing number 1. I'm wearing, like, lineman shoes, receiver shoulder pads, and, like, a random helmet.

And I felt so dumb, like, in Walmart. I just felt like an imposter.

Right.

Right.

But it was the 4th day of training camp where I woke up and I was doing my bible study and watching film. And honestly, like, full transparency, like, tears came to my eyes because I realized it's the first time in a long time I was pumped to go to practice. I hadn't felt that in a long time. So Wow. That year in 2016, being with the Kansas City Chiefs was my favorite year of football because of everything it led to.

And that's why when, you know, I cook on with chef Donnie and, you know, I do all these different things, like, big red is always a big part of, like, my journey and I'm super grateful for him having me and the leader he is as a head coach.

Yeah. I mean, Dan, it sounds like Andy Reid, like, not save your career, but, like, he be having that relationship with him and having someone you can call and be like, hey. Here's because if you if you call, you said 6 teams called you. If you call 1 of those other teams and you're like, hey. I don't know if I really wanna

do it.

They'd be like, alright. Fine. Fuck you. Don't come on.

No doubt.

You know? But, like, Andy Reid being, like, you know, I wanna give you this opportunity. That's awesome.

Yeah. And he drafted me. So he knew me, from my rookie year in playing and going through the draft process, and we stayed in touch after. And, you know, even when I was with Chip and having success, I'd always get a text from Andy. And, you know, that meant a lot to me.

And that was, you know, really, really special and that's why, you know, it means so much. And I had so much fun, you know, Alex Smith, Tyler Bray, our QB room, you know, coach Nagy was our offensive coordinator. It just, you know, it showed me so much structure. Alex's preparation was amazing so I got to learn a lot from him and his preparation and just the the man he is and we had a really great quarterback room that the environment was healthy. We had a lot of success.

You know, I played in 2 games that year and, you know, had success and sort of got my mojo back.

I so Andy Reid gets credit for the Eagles Super Bowl.

Yeah. And also, Alex Smith might be the best starting quarterback of all time to be a backup quarterback for.

Yeah. He's yeah. He's you know, yeah. He done, you know, durable, done, you know, just such an amazing player, such amazing leader. And I will tell you this, like, Alex in the facility, the way he locks in at the facility is truly amazing.

Because then we'd have, like, quarterback date nights, and I'm, like, so used to, like, like, with the wives, not quarterbacks. Yeah.

No. You I assume that. Wait. Did you have quarterback date nights in Philly with Carson Wentz?

Oh, we we did a we did a couple. They were Oh, no. No. No. No.

Carson was not He used to hold on. Nate Nate wasn't married. Nate just got married a year ago. They're about to have their first kid. They might have their first kid, like, right now.

And then Carson was not married at the time. Okay. So is it So

he was not invited

to date night. Got it. Yeah. We so I did date night with my wife. Okay.

So you skipped so you and Carson went were not as close as

y'all do what you do.

In in Philly, did you ever learn all the lyrics to Dreams and Nightmares?

I did not. But I'll that to to this day when that song comes on, I so I listen to, like, the beat and everything.

Yeah.

When that song comes on

It's got the beat up.

Like, there's something inside me that just, like, juices me up because of, like, running out of the tunnel and what it meant to our team and Meek Mill and everything is going through, like, that song forever will, like, get me going.

Yeah. Yeah. That was I mean, yeah. That was a a time and place. Max is smiling ear to ear.

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So my last question was, do you wanna give we've kind of been, you know, singing your praise, Nick Full, Super Bowl MVP, everything. Do you wanna give us any credit for not asking a question about everyone saying you have a big dick?

Well, I mean, in a way, you just sort of did that.

No. No. No. No. No.

No. No.

No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No.

Give us credit.

The fact that other people say that you have a big dick? So it's really the question is do we get credit?

Y'all y'all y'all do get credit.

Okay. There we go. Nice.

But, you know, it's, you know, if yeah. I mean, y'all get credit for not asking. Yeah. Now we get we get the awkward likeness of it all, so you get what you need.

We get credit. Speaking of roebuck, they've got very roomy pants Yes.

And joggers Yeah.

And shorts for all types of bodies. What do

you what you say, Max?

I was gonna ask if there's ever anyone in Philly who's asked you to that who has asked you to sign their dick.

What? Alright. So now you can take your credit away because Steve made it even worse.

That that that that that arguably was a little worse.

Because then, like, when

you ask the question, then you're, like, thinking about, like, what he just asked.

Yeah. What?

I feel like Good question, man.

No. No. It's a terrible question.

Crazy. I could see it.

No. I mean More

like Let's see.

Great gratefully, no. Yeah. But there's a lot of tattoos of the Super Bowl 52 or me. Funny story funny story about tattoo. So I was in San Francisco doing a speaking thing, and, you know, I've been in Philadelphia for a few days, San Fran before I went back to SoCal.

And I really need to go, like, get a shower because I travel cross country in the morning. So I'm like, alright. There's a YMCA. So I go to YMCA. I'm like, alright.

Hopefully, you know, these gyms now with day passes, I don't even know. I just work out in my garage. So I go in there, walk in. I'm in San Francisco. And I'm like, hey, do you have a, and the guy just paused.

He's staring at me. And my marketing agent, Buddy Austin's with me, and I'm like and he just lifts up his shirt. And it's just a full Super Bowl 52 tattoo. And this is San Francisco. Wow.

So I was like, oh, wow. And, you know, I was like, so I can get a day pass. So, yeah, we get free day pass anyway.

But I'm

like, well,

you're gonna give

me a free day pass. So I need a shower. Yeah. But, yeah, that's just sort of the, you know, they're Philly fans are everywhere. They love the team.

They love the city and it's a amazing family.

Yeah. Max, was that you asking him if he would sign your penis?

No. No. No. No.

No. No. That's not what I was saying.

What it sounded like to me.

That's not what I was saying. I just I really wanted to ask, like, what was the craziest Philly thing that you saw? And then you talked about that, and then it made me think, damn, I wonder if that has ever happened.

Listen. In terms of rumors about you, it's the best 1 you could have. The best possible 1 you

could have.

And I don't even think it's a rumor. But but in terms of people talking about something.

Yeah. I mean I mean, it could be worse.

Yeah. Very worse. Yeah. I mean, listen. I have a small dick.

Yeah. So, like, that sucks. I've never had that sorry about that.

That never I've never had, like, former teammates go on podcast and be like, hey. Yeah. Just like to confirm the size of PFT's dick for you. That's really the dream scenario.

Wait. So what is the last last question. What is the craziest Philly fan story or weird or or request that you've gotten?

That's basically what I meant to ask.

Yeah. You just did a terrible job. Like, hey, dude. They won't ask you to suck your dick. Yeah.

I mean, you know, you'll run-in occasionally, like, maybe an image of, you know, a dick.

Yeah. On 1 side or something. Okay.

You know, stuff like that. But, you know, usually, it's it's not too crazy. Yeah. They I think they know me too. So they

Yeah. You know,

a lot of it's just like a Philly special thing or something like that.

So Yeah. There was no

like us. They you know, they You did not

ask the question. I did

not ask

the question.

He didn't ask the question. He he brought in a worse question.

He's asking.

But really,

I didn't even ask him.

But my thing is

this, can we other people say?

So so Max. But Max back there is thinking, like, what what can I ask? Like, my question is, like, how do you get to that? Yeah.

Because he was he was thinking he was thinking in his head. He was like, I think Nick Foles had a good enough time this interview. He'll sign my dick late.

That's not what

I was saying.

Absolutely was not. That's not

what I was saying.

This is not what I

was saying.

Not what I was saying.

Because he's done

this before with guests. He's had guests sign

his dick.

So he was like Right. And then he's he's incorrect.

And then he goes and gets it tattooed.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No? His dick is like a wall of graffiti.

Right? Nope. This is incorrect. This is incorrect. I this is not how I wanted this podcast to end.

You became you you

you became a huge part of this podcast. Yeah.

No? No? No?

Now on social media, when we pump out, y'all pump out all the this is, like, what

you're pumping out. Yeah. He's gonna

be very upset about it. That 1 just

popped into my head. That 1. 0, man. Alright. So last last question.

You you have a merch brand

now.

Yes. You're wearing the hats.

Yes. Dad season. Dad season.

I like it. Dads need more representation.

Yeah. We we serve yeah. A story story about it. So, like, Pat O'Donnell was pawning for the 49ers, in team 8 in Chicago.

Yeah. Yeah.

1 of my best friends, we, you know, we we cofounded the brand dad season. And, you know, at the beginning of any brand, like, you know, the idea was 2023 really got going in 2024, throughout the course of this year is, like, how are we gonna do this? You're you're figuring out what is this? Is it a podcast? Is this?

And we're like, you know what? Let's do great hats. Let's let's do, merch, you know. So right now in 2025, we have a great plan to scale, more merch, more hoodies, more shirts. We want, like, performance golf, performance.

We the hat I'm wearing right now is a hydro performance hat. So, you know, moisture wicking, water repellent. These will come out in, like, January. So we wanna create and spec out great hats. So we have a line of that and, you know, it's dadsen.com and then on our social, but, you know, it's been a lot of great feedback.

We're also gonna make things for you know, we have a mom brand coming out. We have kids stuff coming out, you know, Philly Philly girl hack because we have a Philly line that's really cool. Love it. And then we're gonna do stuff for people that are not dads. You know, we have, you know, we're gonna drop a lot of our performance hats without, you know, just our logo on the side that even if you wanna wear it, like, you can wear it.

And then, you know, you want Philly Philly beanie just because we have the Philly Philly deadline. So Yeah. We have a lot of great ideas. My brain is always churning with ideas and we have a great team. It's we're truly small.

It's, you know, Pat, myself, and our wives are heavily a part of it. And then we have, you know, a small team of people that, you know, live the love the brand, they're dads, and they love what we're doing and they help with, you know, as we grow in content and merchandise planning and scaling. So it's pretty awesome.

Nice. Yeah. Being a dad rocks.

Yeah.

It's fun. Sometimes it's not fun.

In Chicago, it becomes a little more difficult because of the cold weather.

Yeah. Well, they thank god we have this office. I just have my kids just come here and run around.

Yeah. That's that's part of the life saver. Yeah. Yeah. Because this office is like, an adult music.

It's amazing. They they love it. So, alright. Well, Nick, thank you so much, man. It was awesome having you on.

Awesome meeting you. Max is gonna ask for the dick signing after this.

Sorry. Nope. Nope.

Yep. We won't do that.

But if

you want something outside, we'll sign sure.

Not gonna cut any

of this. This is this is

what goes ask that.

This is

what goes on.

This is

the real nitty gritty.

He actually did a good job too with his previous questions.

No. I got it.

Like, I was proud of Max for not asking a weird question earlier in the interview.

You know what? He's a true Philly fan.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. He can you can only contain it for so long. I just want

to know about other Philly fans.

Now, Max, you know what you've done is now Philly fans are going to ask him that

all the time.

It's all because of you.

Yeah. You actually just created a

lot of it, man. You really did all of this connection. No. You did it to him. Alright.

Thanks so much, Nick.

Alright. Thank you. I appreciate it.

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Okay. Firefest of the week, boys. It's time. Henry?

Yeah. My Firefest is, dunk related. Oh. Next week is the day I'll be attempting. I think I will be close ish.

Yep. When is PMTV coming out?

Today. Eric's out now.

So PFT. Yeah. We have some negotiating. I we did some pre negotiation. I said to Hank when we were negotiating that none of this counts because PFT is not here.

Yeah.

I heard I heard some, some things from the walls regarding the pre negotiations

that There were some slander.

There were some well, I no. Because slander is when it's not true.

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

But just some insults

that were

thrown around very loosely. But, yeah, Hank, this has been, like, a a 6 month Fyre Fest for you because you've just there have been so many ups and downs and having this challenge just looming out in the distance has really put you through a mental ringer.

Mhmm.

Yeah. I mean, I've been I've enjoyed the training. I've I've seen progress. I will see if I've seen enough progress. I think it will be close.

I probably didn't go as hard as I should have in the beginning, and, you know, much like a project or whatever in school, I procrastinated too long. I was going through the motions. I just wasn't I've been locked in for, like, 2 months. I just needed to be locked in for, like, probably an extra 2 or 3. Yeah.

But there's a second part of the dunk bet where it's, like, we went back and watched the footage when we recorded it, you know, last year. Yeah. It was go perfect. It was go can I alright? Okay.

Want it? You No. No. No. No.

No. Explain it. No. You wanna explain it?

I knew

this day

would come. You wanna

explain it? Mm-mm. You got it.

My bad. In the when we the discussion was, Big Cat said if you go perfect from 3 point contest, 25 or 25, then you win as well. I said that's never gonna happen. You said, okay. 20.

I No.

That's a house set. Oh,

alright. You explained it. No. No. You explained it.

You explained it.

I so Max is walking around showing everybody this clip yesterday trying to figure out

what this clip means if you watch it. Oh, no. Hey. Put it back. Put it back.

I I watched the kid, Hank. My initial reaction was

Put it back. 20 for 20.

We got a mic off right now.

We got

2 2 podcasters just not talking into a mic.

Put it back. Put it back.

We got a mic off.

Put it back. Hank, what did you

think that the the second part I don't know.

I don't know, PFT. Maybe if you let me fucking speak, I would explain it. But you guys got it. You take it away.

No. The fire

f is I'm not good at shooting threes.

No. Say it. Say it. I I just you didn't you didn't say it. Let me finish.

I did let you finish the part

where you're sitting at every time I

was wrong. Speaking.

You that's not what I said. Okay.

Restart. I misinterpreted what the initial discussion was. I'm not gonna be able to shoot 20 threes in a row. That's it.

I have a question. Right? Yeah. What was the initial discussion? Do we have a clip?

Initial discussion was 25 or 25. I said that's never gonna happen. You said, okay, 20. There was you have to go perfect from 3.25 or 25. I said that's never gonna happen.

You said, okay, 20. I heard that as 20 out of 25. When I rewatched the clip this week, I realized you guys meant 20 for 20.

Mhmm.

So I attempted to shoot. I I had 3 shots at it. I took 25 attempts at it on Tuesday, and I didn't make it more than 5 times in a row. So that's that's that's over.

We have to we have to figure out something that I don't want you to be as down as you are because I actually still think you might be able

to dunk. You're not giving up on the dunk, are you? Nope. You so why are you this upset about the the 3 pointer?

I'm not. You're not? The text you sent me last night makes me think that you might be close to dunking.

I thought Big Cat lowered the rim, which he said he wants to do to fuck with me.

I can't. I tried.

I don't think I wanna dunk. I think I'm gonna be I'm just not I'm I'm I can jump 10 feet 4 inches. I think I probably need another inch. I don't think I'm a I'm a run out of time.

Alright. So, let's negotiate.

Yeah. Let's negotiate. Because here's where it comes from.

Mind. It it is what it is. We made the bet.

No. No. No. No. No.

I'm not

I'm not trying to get out of it.

No. No. So what I told him PFT is like we this is for the viewers. We want it to be fun for the viewers. So, obviously, if he can't dunk and he can't do the 20 for 20, we should come up with a, like redemption bet for Hank where it's not us at stake, so we don't have to pay him anything.

It's just him getting out of paying us.

Getting back to 0. Yeah. Okay. So here's the here's the clip Okay.

If you wanna play it. If you can't dunk, I'll give you, 3 chances to go perfect from, 3 point contest. And if you get that, then you get the money. Okay. That was smart by me because now he's going to, like, halfway through not training.

He's gonna be like, maybe I'll just train it. My 3 pointers, and he'll stop training. Yeah. That works. So 3 3 times through, you'd have to make 25 3 pointers in a row.

Yeah. That'll never happen. Alright. We'll say we'll say 20.

That is so much more likely to happen than you.

So I again, like, I didn't I remember talking about it, and I remember 20. In my head for the last few months, it was 20 out of 25 watching the clip back. I realized it was 20 for 20, which is impossible. I think 20 for 25 is possible. Obviously, that's not what we discussed.

So the thing we could do and I propose this is that we could do you get a redemption, rack or a run through and I get 3 chances to beat you. And if I beat you or we could do the average of me and PFT and then the difference is what you pay us was the other thing I proposed.

Say that again? You and PFT both do 1 time through?

We get no. No. You go 1 time through, that's your score. So let's say you get 20. Okay?

PFT and I go 3 times through each and we average our best scores. And then the difference is like, you know, like, so say our average is 14, and you get 20, we would then take off whatever it is. So what do you owe would owe us? 8 grand? 8 grand.

You'd owe us 2 grand. So it'd be, like, a 1,000

a point or something. What do

you think about that PFT?

What were the, the terms that you guys were throwing around

yesterday? That was kind of it. It was like that. It was us going Is

Hank gonna risk anything more? It was

gonna be

Doesn't not necessarily money.

P f it was gonna be versus Hank straight up 1 time going through for $1,000,000. He would have to pay us $1,000,000 if you beat him. Uh-huh. And we wouldn't have to pay anything if you if or does he if he beat you, we wouldn't have to pay anything. That was where the insult came in.

Yeah. He was willing to do a $1,000,000 and get a cat and shave his face.

I kinda wanna take that bet. A million? A dude, a million it's not the million is cool, but getting a cat

Yeah. And shaving. I mean, I'm open to the either of those.

Okay. Oh, we could do this. Alright. So how about we do this? Because you owe you would owe us you'd owe us $4, 4 grand.

Right?

Correct.

I would be willing to go heads up with you. 1 round versus 1 round. If you beat me, I'll wipe mine clean.

Okay.

And then PFT go heads up with you. If PFT beats you, you gotta get a cat. And shave. And shave.

But here's what I'll do. Wipe it clean I'll also wipe it clean, no matter what. Beat you. I'm willing to No. Trade $4,000 cash.

Yeah.

Yeah. So it's wiped so you'd be wiped clean on PFTs no matter what. And then if he beats you, you gotta get a cat and shave your face. Why wouldn't you take this?

You just said $1,000,000.

Why would you take this?

And listen. I'm I do not shoot 3 pointers.

I mean, it's just and we're just going heads up. 1 1 time, 1 time. I feel like I would probably You have to go first.

I'd probably make 4 threes.

If PFT goes first, I'll do it. I'll go first against you.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. I don't care when I go. Yeah.

Alright. So Why why don't you want me to go second? It's it's

a lot of pressure for me.

Oh, I think he's gotta go second. I think he's gotta go second because

of my viewers. I think there's way more pressure on you if you go second.

Yeah. That's true.

Way more pressure. I don't know.

Well, that is more

pressure. I

want Hank to go second.

I accept PFT. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Alright.

Alright.

I want Hank to go second again. Except. Except. I don't I don't I rather You've already accepted.

No. I didn't. I literally did not.

You just said if PFT goes first, I'll

do it. And I said,

okay. I

accept. Fine.

I think this is fair. So so you're gonna

go so you're gonna try to dunk. If you

don't dunk, you're gonna try to get 20 threes in a row. You have 3 shots at that. If that doesn't happen, we owe you or we owe you nothing. So we've won that side of the bet. And then we have the the elimination is essentially me and you heads up 1 time, 1 time.

If I beat you, you owe me the the 4 grand. If I if you beat me, we're clear. And then 1 time, 1 time, you're already clear with PFT. But if he beats you, you have to get a cat and shave your face. It's the shaving the face, isn't it?

No. It's the cat. Oh, it is? Oh, I thought it was the shaving the face.

The cat might take care of the spiders. Yeah.

True. Spiders have gone away for winter. The cat

the cat listen. A cat is fine.

I love Hank's ongoing war against the spiders.

I think this is a fair deal. Yeah.

I mean, I don't wanna own a cat, but I also

You could also you know, I'm

gonna be PFT, so whatever.

You could also adopt an elderly cat. They need homes too. True. From Paws. That'd be so sad if you just adopted a cat for it to die, like, 6 months later.

You would definitely love that cat. Alright. We're good? We're good.

Yeah.

Okay. So so already, you've you've the most you're gonna have to pay is $4.

Correct.

Yeah. This is a win.

This is a massive win for you, Hank.

And you've been shooting a lot more than me, so I think you're gonna beat me. Although, you've never beat me in a 3 point contest.

Yeah. But I think you could

beat me. I'm I'll I'll walk in.

This is gonna be great. Imagine if PFT beats. So PFT, you gotta fucking

get I'm gonna talk. I'm I'm texting Titus.

You gotta get tight. You gotta get your shit on.

Alright. Pressure pressure makes diamonds. Or I can just dunk. Or you can

just dunk. If you dunk, you just what what would you get? $18 or something? 20. 20?

Damn. What up? What up? I mean, now I'm rooting for you to dunk.

Yeah. Me

too. Would you still do heads up against PFT just for the cat? Come on. The people need the cat.

Hank, if you can dunk, I think you should go heads up against me, and I'll double how much I owe you.

I'm gonna do that. Oh my god. Deal. Deal.

So you're you're shooting for a cat no matter what. Yeah. I love that. Mhmm. I love that.

Alright. And what day are we doing this? Friday. Friday. Okay.

I'm texting Mark.

Yeah. There also might be someone who could help you.

Like, a week from today. Yeah.

There's also someone who might be here who could help you shoot too. PFD.

Yes. A coach of some kind. But I gotta put the out

That won't add any pressure to you.

No. I mean, I'm I'm gonna fall apart. This is gonna be terrible.

I'm already part. But you know who wins? The AWLs.

And that's all that matters.

That's all that matters. They are winning in the next few months. They're gonna win. This is going to be a big win for them.

And we're we're doing the racks, not the guns.

Yes. Okay. Racks. Racks.

Also, this will be the finale of the PMT

Yeah. This will air

Christmas week. Yes. Yes. So just for

everyone who's been asking about that This will air Christmas week. Air Christmas week at the end of the last episode of the PMT documentary.

Yes. Yes. Okay. PFT year, Fyre Fest. That was good.

That was a

good good I'm sorry

for interrupting you at the start.

It's okay.

I apologize.

My Fyre Fest kind of addressed a couple of more already. 1 was that Hank brought back winter by provoking it.

Dude, it was it's fucking, like, whatever. Today was not that bad.

It was negative 5 wind chill this morning. It's okay. My other Fyre Fest

It's gonna get it's gonna get to be 40 degrees again tomorrow or 3rd Friday.

It'll be okay. It'll be okay. My other Fyre Fest is that I have entered the metaverse. Uh-oh. And I think I like it.

I think I enjoy it. So I I got the Apple Vision Pro, like, 7 months ago. What a waste of fucking money that was. Yeah. That was that's probably the the biggest waste of money I've ever had in my entire life Mhmm.

Was buying that. But a couple days ago went out picked up the, the meta quest 3. Mhmm. That thing rocks. Mhmm.

So you can watch NBA games and feel like you're actually courtside at it. It's not an ad. I just enjoy being in the metaverse. Shit.

I might have to buy it.

You feel like a courtside, it's great for flight simulators. I know you love those big cats.

Yeah.

So I'm just, like, rocking my meta helmet at home. I was watching college football on Saturday. I had 3 games on at once on, like, big screen TVs that were just floating in my room. It is it's awesome. I think I'm just a full time metaverse guy.

I guess

I gotta get it. I'm going you control in the metaverse too. Oh. You can, like, go up to other people and start fucking with them. Oh.

Yeah. It's fun.

Okay. It's fun. I'm gonna be a Meta Quest guy.

I'm I'm in the metaverse right now.

That sounds was it hard to set up?

No. It's very easy to set. Did you get any headaches? No headaches. No headaches.

I remember because we had this in the New York office, and I played, like, 2 games of something, and my brain could I also have a fucked up brain.

That's that's

a me thing. That's a me thing.

Yeah. Yeah.

No. No.

Yeah. Stop talking.

I I know that, like, if you don't adjust it, if you don't adjust the, like, tightness of it or the lens distance or whatever, it fucks with you. But if you have it set up perfectly, it's man, I'm telling you, the Apple Vision Pro was, like, $5. This thing was 500. This kicks the shit out of the Apple Vision Pro. Mhmm.

Apple Vision Pro sucks ass, but this rocks. I might

have to get it. Alright. My Firefest, I get 2. 1 is I do think I have a broken pinky. I've had it for 2 weeks.

I don't know what to do about it. I don't think you can do anything for a broken pinky. Can you cut it off? It just hurts really bad. It hurt really bad when I hurt it, and then it got a little better, and now it hurts again.

So, yeah, I don't think you can they don't do anything for a broken pinky. Right? No. Can, like,

tape it, I think.

Yeah. I'm not doing anything.

So I

think I'm just like a hurt hand guy for the rest of my life.

Yeah.

And then the other 1 was that, my my son just threw up all over my car on Saturday, and that was fun. So oh, and we were in a parking lot after lunch, and I said to him, I was like, you look like you're gonna throw up. Do you need to throw up? And he's like, no. And then we got in the car everywhere.

Spins on him a big cat. At least now you have a sick car.

Yeah. Real sick car. Real sick car. Oh, it was everywhere. And then I got blamed for it because he was like, you shouldn't have made me eat those single noodle that he ate for lunch.

That was your fault. He was like, I told you I didn't want that single noodle.

It would make me sick.

Like, damn. You're right. You got me. Alright. Thank you.

Okay?

Mhmm.

You're fine. You're We just We just need to change. That you already are down you you already don't have to pay $4.

You're I would I would pay 4 grand to not have a cat in just my face. Like, the money

to PFT. No. I know.

Dude, I suck. Pressure.

PFT, you shouldn't practice.

No. No. Stop. Stop. I mean, it's not

gonna make a difference. I think I would honestly shoot I'm probably, like, 7% from 3.

Is that fair? And you're also gonna be on you're already gonna done it. Like, you're gonna do it, like, what, 3 times? So you're gonna be warmed up, and you're in great shape.

Yeah. I'm excited. I'm I'm nervous, but I'm excited.

You shouldn't be nervous. I think you're good. I think you're gonna walk away from this and probably not owe anything.

Hopefully. Yeah. Or be up 20.

Or be up 20. Yeah. You could dunk.

Dude, how how sick would it be if you were to dunk and you'd had that video for forever?

Oh, the the way I'm gonna dunk is pretty easy.

Wait. How many times does it get again?

To dunk unlimited.

Yeah. Because you'll stop being able to jump as high after

a little bit.

You'll quit. Memes, are you still staring at that light?

I was showing Pug off the light.

Oh, man.

I can't stress enough how long this light has been there.

Forever. And you could also Forever.

Just stop looking at it.

Alright. Now I have to look at it. Alright. We ready for numbers?

11. 3.

Nice. Mhmm.

What the fuck, man?

2.

That's a big thing for me.

94 poke. 35.

I'll go 10.

21. Thanks to the nationals. Oh, yeah. The nationals Yeah.

The nationals tweeted at memes after they won the ladder saying memes, have

you ever gotten this? You've never gotten any memes. You've never got bye.