Transcript of The Blake Griffin Episode New

B-b-b-Blake here!

B-b-b-b-b-b-blakeg-i-r-i-f-f-i-n. Yeah, they're talking about Blake Griffin, the man in love of myths—

Mithin?

Mithin.

Mythin'.

See you this week! Lucas guys... Chet, is this our first baller?

Yeah.

Are you intimidated?

No.

I mean, this is me at home.

This is your dream.

This is my dream. This man—

Look at you.

Wow.

Wow.

We ready?

That was just outside.

Guard him. Guard him.

Go.

I thought we were playing a game.

I didn't even know.

That was really good defense.

Yeah, yeah.

She's got it. She's got it.

What's up? How are you?

Thanks for having me. Sorry, this one—

Oh, group photo.

Let me get down a little bit.

Oh, yeah. Blake Griffin's one of the best dunkers in the history of basketball.

I really needed this.

Doing things like this.

I've been doing this for a long time.

Never scared to take the shot.

I love this. Can everybody just chill the fuck out for a second? Get up, come this way. He'll like walk right by you, be like, oh, pussy can't guard you. We're in the 305, baby.

Dude, you're so funny.

This is my rock. I just picked it up from outside.

Yeah, it was just sitting outside organically. This was not here for you.

No, he travels with the ball.

It's dirty though.

Yeah, sorry. No, I saw and I was like, oh, that'll be a fun That is my cat.

That was fun.

It was a fun gag. I'm like the perfect guy height-wise to showcase how tall you are.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, I'm like the perfect guy.

How tall are you?

I don't know.

5'4"? No, no, no.

I think I'm 5'6".

Can you touch the ceiling just standing?

Yeah. Oh, we got this.

Wow.

Did you get that dust? We've got some dust. We need to get that up.

Like, do you want some water or anything?

Or— Um, yeah, water would be great.

Lollipop?

Water?

Water's great.

So you're conscious, like, anytime you're walking, you have to be like— You know, I've never had to think of anything.

Never.

Never. There's never any—

What about, like, you know, you go to, like, a castle and you're like—

Nothing.

No.

I'm gnome-like. I'm gnome-like. I can go anywhere.

Before you came, Benny was asking, he said, do you think Blake has been the best player of his friends since he was, like, by age 5, 8? Did everyone—

No.

No. That's not what I said.

OK.

I said this. I said— Were you born exceptional or were you like, did it like, like when you were 5, were you just like every other kid shooting and they were like, oh, and then like, did you get exceptional? Was there like one year where like you became exceptional?

I don't know. Like, so my dad is a basketball coach, high school basketball coach. So like I've just been, I have an older brother who played, like I just, I've had a ball in my hand since I could like, before I could walk, you know? And then like started dribbling super young. So like, I think maybe like a little bit like advanced, but not like you wouldn't walk into a gym and be like, oh my God, That's what I'm saying.

Like, wait, at what age was it then?

I think like maybe when I was young, like—

10.

I have a 12-year-old son right now and he's like, I think we're kind of like comparable. You go watch him play and he's like, you're like, oh, he's good. But you're not like, it's hard. Like when you're like 12, like there's these kids.

You have a 12-year-old son?

Yeah, 12-year-old son.

You look like you're like 6.

Appreciate it.

Thanks. Wait, when you were 12, you weren't like, oh my God, I'm like— Definitely Division I player.

I'm like, no, well, not in my mind. I was tall. I was like a foot taller than everybody. But like, I don't know, like you're playing against kids in your area. Like I wasn't traveling.

Like this morning, this morning I saw a video online of the number one fourth grader.

See, I hate, I hate those like number one fourth graders.

It's much pressure. Yeah.

It's yeah. And also like kids, some kids are just bigger earlier. Yeah. Like there was a kid growing up who was like, my height in like 3rd grade and he was really good and everybody talked about how he was the best player in the state. He didn't, he stopped growing like 7th grade.

Yeah.

And he was, he ended up being like 6'1", which like isn't short, but like that's, you know, people thought he was gonna be like the next greatest thing. And like, I don't know, I think it like messes up kids' like psyche because I, they don't follow sports quite like me.

No, no. He's like a savant.

But I went to a lot of Clippers games when you were playing.

Oh, nice.

Thank you.

Thank you.

What?

Lob City.

That's not a big problem.

Oh, yeah, that'd be—

Well, there's no Lob City branding in the arena, you know?

Yeah. Lob City. They might have been selling it.

I don't think they—

They call it Lob City because basically you play with Chris Paul, who's like really good at throwing it.

Yeah, I know. I remember Chris Paul.

No, Blake Griffin's one of the best dunkers in the history of basketball.

Dunker.

Dunkers.

I wouldn't even label you a dunker like that. I mean, I could speak about your game ad nauseam.

Like, what's wrong with you? Because you're like, you're like so— like, God made you like too perfect. There's got to be something wrong with you.

Like, you're like—

I don't know what it means. He's like the hottest guy and he's like, you're like the hottest guy and like the best at playing basketball and you can like, and you're like funny.

No, he's the most—

You're like funny too.

Yeah.

Stop.

What's wrong? Is there something like really wrong with you?

No, he's the fucking man.

You have like 4, 3 toes or something.

Yeah, I got some demons.

Yeah, what are your demons?

I don't know, I don't really—

Do you have demons?

I don't know, I feel like I was just so like, As an athlete, like, you can't really like—

Focus. Yeah.

You know, like, you have to be so like locked in.

So like, has your world totally been rocked since you've retired and you're no longer doing it?

No, because I kind of like, I started preparing for it pretty early. And like, just like doing other stuff, you know, I started a production company in 2016. My brother and I have a VC fund. Like, so as soon as I retired, I like stepped into all that, so that helps. And also like, I was just like, dude, I had 9 surgeries, like, you know, yeah. So I was like, I was feeling it.

Yeah.

Like, I feel great for just living life, but like to go play an 82-game schedule, it was like working out and recovery, like, was like 70% of it.

Yeah.

You know?

Do you feel freer now? 'Cause like when you're playing an athletic sport like that, do you feel like you have to like eat well, sleep well, and you can't live your life like fully?

Yeah, for sure. 'Cause like I would get like anxiety about if I woke up. I have a problem with like waking up and not being able to go back to sleep.

Yeah.

Yeah, me too.

And like if it's a game day the next day, I would be like, I would have like, You know, like you have sleep anxiety, where you'd toss and you'd be like, ah, shit, okay, I could get 2 hours if I go back to sleep now. But it all, over time, you learn how to deal with that.

But I can't imagine, I couldn't sleep last night, but I can take little things to help, but I can't imagine not being able to sleep and then having to go like run.

Get 6.

Run. Yeah, it's just part of it.

Yeah, is there ever before, like the day before, do you ritualize? Don't touch, like, I can't have sex the day before. I can't do this the day, like, is there like, do you have like—

Yeah, do you have rituals?

My rookie year, I used to like be very, very strict about everything. And then like over time I kind of learned where I could, 'cause you could burn yourself out.

Yeah.

You know, like one year I was like, I'm gonna eat so strict. And I went like 3 months of just like literally nothing bad.

Yeah.

No alcohol?

No alcohol, no, like very little sugar. Like very, it was like, dude. And I fell off the wagon like 3 months into the season. Not drinking-wise, but like, I just, I kind of started eating shit, like shitty. You know, I'd go to like the hotel, like minibar and have like peanut M&M's and like, you know.

That's, you're affecting your next game.

Yeah.

Did you notice a difference?

Not really.

So it's like, fuck it, eat the M&M's.

So like then from then on I was like, okay, moderation. Like if I like after a game, if I'm like, you know what, I want pizza, I'll eat pizza.

Dude, you're like working out all day.

I know, but like it's in here.

What's the biggest thing that would impact a game? Like what's like the biggest difference between like this?

Probably sleep, honestly.

Oh yeah. What if you get in a fight before?

Like, you're— No, no, you're like—

With your significant others and that?

Or like, your parents say it. Someone says, has that affected you? You're like, thinking about it?

Do there have been times where something's going on in my life and I'm literally at the free throw line and it pops into my head? And I'm like, all right, gotta shake that off. You know what I mean? I love that. And I don't think people think about that. No, no, thank you for saying that. Guys are having shitty days. And listen, we're playing a game and guys, you get paid to play it. So it's all fine. But also, Sometimes, you know, guys are allowed to have bad days.

Can I tell you one of my biggest pet peeves? Every time I would go, I went to the games a lot with someone and they, I forget the player's name, but every time he would— Chris Paul? No, every time he would go to do the free throw.

Blake Griffin?

No.

Was it me? Are you telling this story?

It wasn't you.

Oh, Hack-a-Shaq.

No, what's his name?

Oh, DeAndre Jordan.

Yes, yes.

Oh, oh, Hack-a-DeAndre Jordan.

They would mess with him and I felt like I could feel the pressure and I would just be like, everyone needs to chill out and let this guy— Let the next man do his job. Yeah, it sucks.

She hates that part of the game. She thinks it's completely unsportsmanlike.

It's like mean, yeah. Yes.

Oh, yes.

I mean, it's like, that's it. I absolutely hate it. And I think it doesn't matter which team you're on. I'm like, let them— you can do it outside. But when everyone is here trying to play, it would make me cry.

It is interesting because professional sports especially is so much like find the weak link.

Yes.

And it's like exploiting.

It's so mean.

It's exploiting. But it's like—

That's competitive sports.

It is like the highest— level. And like, you know, I don't know, like DeAndre was so good at other things that like free throws wasn't his thing. And it's like we didn't look at it like, ah, I don't know.

They were just saying if everyone would just like calm down for a second.

All right, hey, can everybody just chill the fuck out for a second?

I'm trying to make this free throw. I know, there's like so much, there's so much pressure. Like I think like I play in like a rec league with my friends every weekend, and if I like, like Like, if—

You miss your first couple shots, you feel weird shooting your third one.

Yeah.

No, or if, like, I put too much lotion on my hands, I'm like, shit. Oh, yeah. Or, like, if my, like, ass itches, I'm like—

Yeah.

I'm like, like, something, like, anything.

You know, there's such a difference. Like, I'm a great rec league player.

Mm-hmm.

And then so I would always assume I would dominate celebrity games. Like, I felt I was born to just—

and then—

Yeah.

But I also had never really, like, played in an arena or, like, just felt the weight of my teammates.

Oh, the depth.

The weight of the depth.

And the pressure of, like, you know, this is, like, being, like, filmed in a certain way and just like you can't— it's not meaningless. So as soon as I got in one of these games, I realized how it's such a different level of pressure.

So is every like NBA player like who— where you're like, oh, that guy sucks at shooting. Like they're like, if they're on their own, like in a gym, they're making like every shot.

Yeah.

Because you have to think about like, first of all, there's really good shooters on teams and there's guys that aren't as good and there's guys that aren't really shooters. But also like you're shooting every day. Like even if you're not a shooter, you're shooting every day. And like you got, you'll see the things of them going to like pickup games and like making—

Yeah.

Like, so the pressure's different. You're not as tired. You're not having to worry about the defensive end. You know, there's like a lot of variables.

What's the deal with traveling? 'Cause it always kind of looks like you guys are traveling.

Oh yeah.

It's gotten pretty lax. So now like the rule is that like when you take a, or sorry, when you take a dribble—

Oh, I thought you were traveling for games.

Oh, I thought you were talking about Hachinohe though.

Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause whenever, I don't really know anything about basketball. Exactly. But when I watch, I'm like, wait, the only thing I know—

They all look like Travelers.

Is that you can't travel. And I'm like, so I don't understand it.

Now you can take a dribble.

Got it.

Then your first step is called a zero step.

Oh.

So your first step is not really your first step. So if I dribble and take this step, I still have 2 steps.

Wow.

Yeah.

Did they change that? 'Cause they were like, this is too hard to manage.

I don't, it wasn't like a, it wasn't like a, hey, we're changing it to this. I think it just slowly happened because everybody was like—

Yeah.

And guys are so, their footwork is so good that they can make it look really— Yeah. Seamless. Seamless and also cover a lot of space.

Yeah, it's like you take one step and go across the—

That's where like I see—

As well.

Carry?

Yeah, carrying. Like back in the day, like every guy used to dribble like this.

They'd be like— Yeah.

Like there was no, like there, and then like eventually guys—

Oh yeah, now people take it under.

Yeah, and like Allen Iverson was like one of the best at like, he would like— He really, he really like kind of like invented certain like crossover. He kind of like invented like the hesi. Like, like what became the— has—

well, Tim Hardaway, Taylor Cross. Yeah, that one was like the—

yeah, you know what, you know what I really loved was watching your game just evolve.

Oh, thanks, man.

I think about Detroit, Blake Griffin.

I'm from Detroit. Well, no, I was born in Grosse Pointe, but I lived in Grand Rapids. Okay, you like it there?

I, I actually enjoyed it. Like, I was like, it was— I had like— I'm from Oklahoma, so it kind of reminded me more of that. Like where I had space and a house and like neighbors weren't like right on top of you. And like, I enjoyed that part of it because during the season I don't really like go out much anyway. I would just be like, even back when you were young in the prime of Lob City, you're playing every other day. So like, yes, there are some times where it's like, hey, you got a day off next day, and so we'll go to dinner, we'll go out. But like, not regularly.

Yeah, but when you move to LA, like your complete social life change. Like, every guy's fighting to play for the Clippers or Lakers, right?

No, nobody wanted to play for the Clippers when I got there.

Well, no, not— yeah, yeah, of course, when it turned Of course. But now, but I'm saying like—

Boy, this is like a real self-esteem boost. I need to come hang out more often, dude.

When you're in Detroit, it's like, okay, I'm in Detroit. When you're in LA, you—

Well, I don't know if it's LA. I don't know if this is— I've never seen a man of your stature before.

I really don't.

I just saw you. That's the thing. I worry about chairs all the time.

Really?

I've been at a wedding and like sat down and pfft, pfft. But you don't weigh a lot.

I know, but still.

What are you talking about? He weighs £260.

Okay, you're in Detroit. It's like, okay, cool. We're going out to like whatever, like the local bar club.

Detroit's popping.

Cool.

Yeah, I don't know.

Let's talk about Gun Blake in LA. Single man moving to the big city.

That's what I'm talking about. You're in LA. You like, like your world, like I remember like, I remember seeing some of my, 'cause I don't really remember the first time I did, but I remember like having my friends friends come out, like, to LA. Like, I'm from Virginia. Like, my friends came out, and they, like— I would, like, take them to a party, and their worlds were, like, actually, like, rocked. Like, some of my friends, like, they literally— I watched their bodies actually go like this when we walked into places. They'd be like— like, they'd, like, stumble.

I used to, like, text my friends from high school and be like, "Oh, my God, you'll never guess who I was, like, with last night, blah, blah, blah." I still see, like, NBA players, like, take my breath away.

So, like, now it's, like— people go to parties to see who they see and to get some content— not content, but whatever. They get pictures, they get this, of course they get like a, maybe a story to tell on their podcast. Or it's like, it feel— that's— it very much feels like social interactions or social gatherings now are just to like transaction, have clout, clout, and like a story to tell and a picture to put, you know. I think it's different. I feel like it used to be college for me.

Cheers.

Oh dude, it was just like the best. There was no cameras, like there was no—

College was like the most fun I think I've ever had in my life, other than marrying you and my life with you.

Oh, I don't know why I clapped.

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Mm-hmm.

It makes me feel good.

It makes me feel good. That's why.

I think it's good that they're making you feel good.

Yeah, I like the taste, but it makes me feel good too.

I think that's great. You're doing a good job.

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Now, Kristen, you know I've always dreamt of coming to Michigan for a summer. It's all I've ever wanted to do with you since you guys—

Well, what are you doing?

—became a thing. I think I'm coming now. And you know what's going to come with me? I might just have to pack a little friend with me. And this is a White Claw Peach. And what's that? A White Claw Mango. And what's another flavor we're bringing? Black cherry. A black cherry.

This summer is a White Claw summer. We're going to have fun. We're going to grab life by the claw. But we're only allowed to say one word now.

Fine. Will happen immediately when we Open.

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Cut it out. I'm going to sip it right now.

I miss when it was like you take— Polaroids? No, when you would take the picture, like when we were all in high school, we'd like go on spring break. You take the picture. Digital camera? That, then you go get it developed.

I've been like, I have this Contax T3 that I love and I've been like— What's that? What did you just say? Contax, like the film camera. Oh, that film camera. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Go.

She's so robotic. I have a nice Contax T3. I have a Contax T3.

I didn't know. Are we supposed to know that? I don't know.

I felt like you guys—

We were vibing on photography.

It was fun. I thought we were going into a photography thing. Now I feel—

No, it's like—

So I have this film camera.

I got like a Geno 106. I got a disposable 47R. Tell us a little bit more about your camera.

I was talking about this the other night. I was just— I don't know. I feel like when I first started taking film pictures, I would be like very frugal with them and like take a picture and be like, OK. And now I'm like, I'll just fire off like 3 different ones of like kind of the same thing in like different settings. Yeah. And it's so cool because it's like you kind of wait to find out. If you did good. And it's the other thing too is like your phone is in your pocket. Yeah. And you'll still have the memory. Yeah. And you, by the way, you get digital files of it too now. Yeah. So it's, you know what I mean? It's, it's, I love it. You good? I'm not, I'm like trying to get better at it.

Is this a post-retirement hobby or have you always been into this?

I like kind, I got like a digital camera, like, A Leica Q trigger? Oh yeah, I know that.

I know that. Oh, Leica Q3. Are you like a numbers guy or something? It just made me get two questions.

Should we sit on the couch?

We can sit outside. Where do we go?

You can go right there, buddy.

You want me to go corner pocket?

I don't know. You're a big guy. But you might hit your head.

I'm okay. I'm okay.

It's like everything I do is like, I'm a scout. Hey, okay, get up. Get up.

Come this way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Watch your head. We had— who came?

Oh, Kareem.

Oh, yeah. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

He came in here.

I had a different fixture back then, but he literally— the first thing that happened was he banged his head on the light fixture.

And it was like, I felt so bad once he entered because he—

you should feel that bad. Did he have a hat on? No. No. In there you were talking about, you know, how the person's not going to like it. Do you have insecurities about anything? You do? Yeah, for sure. What are you insecure about? You have no physical insecurities.

Actually, physically, I actually do. What? My— so being a former athlete, my toes, your feet just get wrecked. Oh, I see. I see. I will.

I will at some point.

At some point. I can see. You're like, oh, it's Chris. I can see.

I have— I'm insecure about my feet because they're disgusting. So I'll show you after. I need to show my feet.

At some point, I will. Do yours look like LeBron's?

No, not quite that bad.

You got any non-physical insecurities?

Non-physical insecurities. Yeah, I feel like I have. I don't know. I'm always so— I was always so jealous of like, there's a lot of athletes who are just incredibly confident people. And I think that's part of it for some guys.

You feel so confident.

To me. I feel confident in you.

To me, to me. Oh, to you? Yeah. I think I'm confident in you.

I think I'm like confident to like a certain degree, but like I was a very shy kid. Really? And I don't think people, like I tell people that now and they're like, you're so extrovert.

Yes, you're so extrovert.

I'm actually not. I know. Like you don't like to always be around people. No. Yeah, you have to recharge.

I definitely need to recharge. And also like if I'm walking into a situation like alone, like I don't travel with like a posse. I walk into a lot of situations like today. I just like, you like walk in and it's just like that thing of like, I don't know how this is gonna go. I'm not saying I was like nervous, but like— You're meeting your hero. I think my insecurities are, I think people would be surprised how like I have like pretty normal insecurities.

Did you get nervous before games? Like when you walk in?

No, first game, first game of my career, like first game of like college or this or that. But after playing so many games and also you play just like I said, almost every other night. Like, you kind of just get used to it. What about playoff games?

You gotta get nervous.

Playoff, like, the first playoff game, yeah. It's more of like an anticipation, less than like a, "I'm nervous." I always wanted to know this.

Were you ever scared to take the shot? No. If it was gonna be that—

never? I loved it. You loved that moment? That's the thing I miss the most is the big, like, high-pressure moments. Like, you're ready to do that. 'Cause you just can't replicate that, really. In other areas, or at least I haven't found one that like, I don't know. Yeah, it's like the moment is so big and you like, you don't know what's going to happen. Like you kind of have your play, but things go out the window and you have to improvise and you kind of like, yeah. And like, it never went through my mind, what if I miss? It was always the what if I make it? And like, I don't know why, but like, that's like the one moment, like even my, after my rookie year, I remember the offseason, I like had this like lingering insecurity of like, what if I can't do that again? You know, like, what if I can't have a good year? What if I'm not good enough? Like, even after, even after like sort of proving yourself. No, that's good. That's good. Yeah. And I didn't mind it at all. It made you hungry.

It's the same way when I'm having the best years of my life. Like when I've been the most on top, I'm thinking, oh my God, I'm definitely gonna get cancer. Like something's gonna, something bad's gonna happen.

No, I'm like—

That means that you like your life. But what you said, which earlier when you were talking about what you miss, I feel like if I were an athletic athlete. Athlete girly. If I was an athletic athlete.

You were an athlete. You were like a tennis.

No, but I mean like a playing in a—

Blake Griffin.

Yeah. The thing I would miss the most would be like the high of that shot. Like having that opportunity to like take it and then be like, I fucking guessed it.

But that's the biggest adrenaline rush.

By the way. Biggest adrenaline rush.

Me as a player, even though I always felt like a really clutch shooter and player, I hated— The last shot? No, like late game foul line requirements.

Oh yeah, those are tough.

Were you scared? Didn't you get a little nervous?

I don't even—

Like it's a playoff game and this game's tied up.

Are you nervous? Yeah.

Come on.

I don't know if you have time to like be nervous, but you're in your head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely in your head.

And they're like, ah! And the guys are like screaming. You know what's crazy?

Those things, you don't really see, after you get used to it, used to it, you don't really see it.

Should we tell the people that they don't need to see it?

Hey, I've been doing this for a long time. No one sees it. The ref is counting.

Do you still get the high? Like, if you play in like a game, like a pickup game, do you still get a high?

You know what's kind of like, I don't know if it's sad or not, but like I haven't played, I haven't even remotely come close to playing in a pickup game since I retired. Really?

Yeah, no interest.

Have you not played at all? I like shoot around, but I haven't played a game. You have to understand too, like, You go play like a pickup game and like, all right, like, am I gonna play hard? Am I gonna like try?

Would I be able to get 3 dribbles off without you stealing it? If you go backwards?

I don't know. I've never seen you play, but—

No, no, just picture me. I'm a normal guy.

No, 'cause you can just— You just turn your back.

Like me right now or when I was playing.

You can just turn your back.

No, if I don't turn my back. You'll get something. Do you think there's a chance, like, that I couldn't get 3 dribbles off?

No, I think you could get 3 dribbles off. Like, if you're talking about, like, in my, like, when I'm, like, when I was, like, playing playing, I think maybe it'd be tougher. But I also haven't seen you play. And you play, like—

Basketball is so hard on the man—

not the man. On the man. On the man.

Well, I'm sure it's hard on women, too. But I feel like every— you guys all play, but you're all— you are always like, man, I really wish I could play today, but it's just not worth the risk of, like— Dude, Achilles.

All I think about—

Achilles thing, you guys are all so—

Achilles, ACL. Oh my God.

After 30?

Yeah. Oh my God.

What, your Achilles thins out and you're like—

Well, no, it's just like your body, every time you're, as you get older, your joints have less mobility and like Achilles are compromised. Oh my God.

And you can't ever get that thing back, right?

Or something to do with that. I mean, you can fix it, but it's like your legs are two different sizes. Even guys in the NBA who have like the best PT guys who have torn their Achilles, like they're visibly, you can see how their legs are different sizes.

Was there ever times, without disclosing people's names, times that you would be like, because you're on a team sport where you would be like butting heads with the teammate, and then you like, are like, did you guys ever get on, would there be like little tensions? Not huge things, then you have to go out and play with each other.

I never really had like any type of beef where I was like, fuck this guy.

Yeah, I've seen you get physical on the court though.

Oh yeah, playing against people.

Would you ever get in a fight?

Would you ever get physical and then instantly be like, oh shit, like didn't take any shit?

Like would you ever, there's never a guy where you get physical and you'd be like, holy shit, I never got into it with him. And I'm like I played with him, ended up playing with James Johnson, who's like— Oh, yeah. He's a— I was just telling this story. He has, I think, 9 brothers and sisters. His parents, double black belts in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. All of the kids, double black belts. So he's like one guy who you don't fight.

Everybody votes on who they least would want to fight.

He always is the one guy.

Are you the person who got into it with him?

No, no, no. We got drafted the same year. We're like, boys, yeah.

Were you all bark, no bite? Like, would you ever have fought? Were you ready to fight?

Yeah, but like it never comes down to it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I shouldn't say never. Sometimes it does.

You know who I would've been so scared of? Besides like Shaq and the obvious ones, Rasheed Wallace. Oh, yeah. Like back in the day.

Charles Oakley. Do you remember Charles Oakley?

Oh my God.

Charles Oakley's hands are like probably like a little bit bigger than mine, but like each finger is like twice the width.

I bet you got everybody's, everybody's like, you know how like some teams have like kind of not goons, but like they're just the physical gatekeepers of the—

Oh yeah, I got all that.

Especially New York.

I feel like coming, like you're like, so charismatic and good and strong and he plays so physical.

He's so physical.

And he's always being probably guarded by like their most physical guy.

What do you mean he plays so physical?

He's just physical.

And he's like saying, doing things like this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's athletic. Was I pushing after plays?

No, sometimes.

I just feel like people would test you and you would never back down. You would get tested a lot.

Yeah. Wow. Especially early on, yeah.

You were like all smiles until, and I would see you go from smiling to just like physical.

I never, when I watched and didn't know you, I never once, like when I watched, I never thought like Blake Griffin's a pussy. I was always like Blake Griffin is like— Never, never.

Some people did.

No, no. Yeah, it's because you were like a good looking guy. You can't fight. But then I felt like you held your own though.

Wouldn't everybody have no choice but to be a pussy if you can't fight?

Well, no, no, you can't be a pussy. There's like ways of like becoming like a tougher NBA guy and like kind of a, maybe a pussy.

There's so much like interpersonal stuff.

Now I gotta know, There's one thing we haven't spoken about that's, like, so as important to me as game day. Post-game. What's happening? Like, you guys just won.

You just won in Miami.

Wayne Wade's pissed off. Coach comes in. He gives his little post-game speech. I'm usually, like, feet in the ice bath. You're not even listening.

Ice on my knees.

I'm like, fuck off, Coach. We're in the 3-0 fight. Yeah, like, ice for, like, 10 to 15 minutes, and then shower if I need to get any, like— I don't know, sometimes you have like something. Condoms. Yeah. Go to the trainer, get your condoms. Blake, let me get you some more water.

Here, let's go inside. Let's all go inside.

Let's go inside.

Let's go inside. Wash my head. Wash my head. Wash your head. Everybody wash your head.

Everybody duck down. Do we need to rub his hamstring or something?

I'll get you some water.

I'm going to go sit on the couch.

OK, you guys go on the couch.

Blake, I'll fill you up. I appreciate it. Oh, yeah. Gracious host. Ooh, I like the giraffe. Yeah.

Oh yeah, the way that that draft stands inspires me.

Check it out. Proud.

Ready to take on the day.

I literally thought you were gonna say the way that draft stands reminds me of you. That's something better than water.

I'd be honest about an Olipop.

Oh, okay, one left. So I came in here with the right intention. I was gonna give Blake an Olipop, and someone's been drinking all the Olipops. I don't know who it is. I don't think it's Blake. 'cause he's new here. Could be Benny, could be Kristen. Either way, we have one left. And, uh, so even though I came in here with the right intention of giving one to Blake, I'm kind of rethinking everything. And I do have a meal I'm gonna eat at the end of the day that is gonna be way better with a cold Olipop, especially blackberry vanilla. It's a great flavor. So Blake might just have to make do with filtered water.

I'm sorry, Blake. What's it— what's, like, you know, you say you got the camera. What's another ho— do you have any hobbies?

Uh, I play golf. Oh, are you good? I'm, I'm okay.

Are you good at every— do you have to be good at kind of everything? Like, when you say okay, like, what's your handicap? Like a 9. Oh, okay. So you're good. You guys talking golf? That's good. No, that's good.

I started like playing like 4 and a half years ago and like got obsessed with it.

But you would be good at like, like football? Like, you'd be like—

football, basketball, baseball, soccer growing up.

Like, you're good at all of those? Could you have gone professional at any of those, you think? Maybe football.

Yeah.

Yes, yeah, I think he could have been a Hall of Famer.

Not for sure, but yeah, I really think he could have been like a defensive end or something. Like, too tall. Wow, you think so?

Dude, so your son is how old? 12.

Do you want him to do— only, I truly mean this, only if he actually wants to do it. Is he into it? He loves sports, loves it. Found it on his own.

Loves basketball, loves football. And are you like secretly though, like Yes.

I just, my hope for him is like, if he does want to play professionally or even in college, like that he's like really loves it. Because it can get, it can get, it can get a little brutal, especially with how people talk to people now.

I feel like it's not really spoken about how often like athletes are just like, it's carte blanche to fully dehumanize them and be like, hey, fuck you, Blake. Like, you're a fucking weak pussy.

And like, you're supposed to like, you have to just— It'll be like a kid sitting courtside like talking shit to you and you're just like, what the fuck was It's like the elevator theory of like, don't ever say to somebody during a basketball game or a sporting event that you wouldn't say if you were trapped in an elevator with them.

Could you lose a big game, maybe even, maybe a playoff game? That's not, you're not eliminated, but like a big playoff game. And could you lose that game and go home and have a pleasant evening?

No. Yeah. No. I'm like sick. Yeah. Like, especially a playoff game.

But a regular season game, you could maybe have a—

A regular season game over time. Like some are hurt more than others. Yeah. Like if you play really bad and you lose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, that's not to say like if you lose, you play good, but like if you play bad and you lose, you're like, damn, that was my fault.

How long till you can like kind of recalibrate and like be back to like, all right, I'm like not gonna let this eat me up anymore?

I think it'll always stay with you a little bit. Like one year in the playoffs, we, we were, we were supposed to do really, really well and like ended up losing, I think in the second round to Oklahoma City. And had a chance to beat them. And after that series, I literally, I had like 2 of my buddies were staying with me. We like woke up every day, went into my theater and watched Game of Thrones and like watched, I think I watched like 6 seasons in like literally 5 days. Like we would just lock ourselves in there and order food and just, yeah. He was too bad.

I love hearing that.

Do you try? There's tears. I've cried, yeah.

Not regular season games, but playoffs.

Do you look back like, you know, you're a part of history? Lob City, the Clippers, that's one of the kind of like the most famous winning teams that didn't do it. Are you gonna be haunted by that or not really? 'Cause you're like, fuck it, I'm like Blake Griffin, I had like a Hall of Fame career.

Yeah, no, like bummed for sure. Like I look back and I'm just, I'll see highlights or I'll see something now and I'll be like, I wish I could've just done this. Or I wish I could've been a little bit better at that. Or like, you know, it's not like, it's not to the point where I'm like, It's not like dread. I'm not sitting there dwelling on it, but yeah, it bums me out that we never—

Do you think you think about it every week?

Once a week, yeah, probably. Really? Well, you think about— He's thinking about his legacy. Also, in my house, I have my jerseys, and you see the Clippers jersey. So it's not like that I'm sitting there being like, damn. I'll just kind of be— I don't know if once a week might feel a little bit too much. But I definitely think about it.

You think about it, but you're not so heavily impacted by it.

Quarterly.

Get a little poorly sad session.

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Why do you think KFC is giving away chicken for free? Oh my God.

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Something happened with the kernel. But I think it might be on purpose out of the goodness of his heart.

You know that my family gave the Colonel his first job in America? What? Who did? Really? I'm making it up. I don't know the Colonel.

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Are you competitive as an analyst? Because I think you have the skill set to be a truly elite all-time analyst, but I'm not sure that's what you want to start. But do you feel competitive the same way you did as a player?

Well, I feel competitive in terms of like being prepared. But like what I've learned about this show is because, you know, I'm with like Dirk and Steve Nash and Udonis Haslem and then Taylor Rooks is our host. Most— like, we're— the show is better when we're all— so I'm not competitive with— no, no, no. But like, I'm competitive in terms of like, I want to know what I'm talking about, and I want to say it in a way where people are like, wow, that's really good. Yeah. And I just— I'm trying to like do a thing where I'm not— I'm only like, I'll be critical, but only if it's like truly deserved. Yeah, I could— I— you— yeah, guy went 3 for 17, like, that's fine. Fine, it happens. You think he's happy about it? No. I like that you're doing that. No one wanted to make those shots more than he did, trust me.

You reframe it so it doesn't feel like it's such a critique. Yeah, there's a way to do it. Yeah, yeah, which I think is good, 'cause— I think that is good.

There's a way to say it.

Did you ever go to a sports psychologist?

Yeah, every team has. Yeah. So my first time ever seeing a sports psychologist, around 2012, I think it was, it sort of became more of a thing, and the Clippers hired the team sports psychologist. And everybody was required to meet with him. So he's like, hey, you know, he comes up to me after practice, he's like, hey, uh, why don't you, uh, if you want to meet like outside of here, we don't have to sit at the— we can go get coffee. I can come by the house. And I, I lived in Manhattan Beach at the time, like down on the ocean. I was like, yeah, why don't you come? And we sat on my balcony, we talked. He left and I went in to take a shower. I put my phone on the charger, took a shower, came back, and I see a missed call from him and a voicemail. And so I clicked the voicemail and it's him, and he goes, hey coach, just left Blake's house. We had a good talk, some really interesting things. And I was like, oh man, I was like, oh my God, I can't— first of all, I can't believe he fucked up that bad because that's really fucked up.

And second of all, I was like, well, fuck that, I'm never seeing another sports psychologist ever again.

I wouldn't even have thought that was legal. I guess I don't think it is.

Oh, okay. Do you go to therapy? I do, yeah, I do. I didn't most of my career, but I have like pretty consistently lately.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised you didn't do it for your, I feel like I would have to do it.

He didn't have time, he had to get his feet in the bucket.

But so much of it too is like—

Yeah, I was out, you know, I was in Miami.

You were meal prepping. They were hiring a chef for you.

Do you ever wear the ice buckets to the club? You ever?

Oh dude, have you heard the, Mullen's, no, Um, God, there's a— oh my God, I just went blank on his name. Golden State, uh, Klay Thompson? No, no, no, older guy. Chris Mullins. Chris Mullins. Oh my God. Uh, apparently he used to go to some bar, like some kind of like dive bar, after every game, after every home game, and he would get a giant ice bucket with like 15 beers, put his feet in it, and sit there and just sip beers. People would come up and he would— I always love that story. Can you do a game hungover?

Have you ever played a game slightly hungover, or does it really fuck with you?

Yeah, you have, of course.

Yeah, I've definitely like, yeah, it's— Have you ever played amazing? Not very much, yeah. Like, final hungover? Like, by the way, a lot of times when you're sick or you're hungover, you'll have like, and I didn't, hungover I did very, very rarely. But there was one time where we were like in New York and like a blizzard was coming in and we're like, the game might get canceled. But we go to New York and then there's like one of those like restaurant turns into a— Yeah. And like next thing I know it's like 2:00 AM and I'm like, oh my God. Oh my God, I gotta get outta here. So I go home, sleep, wake up, see a text, shootaround's been canceled. I'm like, thank God. So we don't have to get on the bus and go to shootaround. So I just slept until we left for the game, which was like 3 or 4. Do any players get high?

I play perfect. I play so much better.

There's no possible chance I could play high.

Me neither. Oh, we should get high and I'll play you. 'Cause I would be great.

I do like it just for sport. I actually don't, it's funny. I don't get high while I make music. I don't like the feeling. I need to stay— I need to stay very— Now you understand the background. Yeah, I need to stay so focused. I don't even understand how I could do it if I'm like alone creating like a beat. Like, just— I can't. No. Sometimes the stress— the stress— you're like, it's like we know it's our last day. It's like Game 7. We don't have like— we don't— the song's like not done. We don't have it. Like, you gotta get—

Like deadline for an album or like—

I'll do like a week with an artist at like a cool studio or something, and then like they won't be booked on that Monday and they'll know it's like their last chance for a while to like work on the thing they're working on.

Or like, like, like when we were doing all those Kanye albums, we would— where he was making them in like 7 days. Yeah, it'd be like, it'd be like— was he really? Yeah, it'd be, it'd be, it'd be date started day 7, zero vocals recorded, zero, zero for the whole album. And we— he'd be coming, yeah, he would be coming to the release party would be like 8 PM that night and he'd be like, I don't know how that's gonna happen. Vocals, dude. And we'd go like this, we'd go like this. I remember we were doing the Kid See Ghost one, the ones with— the one with Kid Cudi, okay? And we're sitting there and he did it at like this ghost town far away. And like, you went to that one. Oh, was that the one out in like— yeah, yeah, yeah, something crazy far. And I'm sitting— and I'm— and I'm sitting with Ye and it's the night before and we're like about to start recording all the vocals and he's like, bro, I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. And he said, I'm gonna— it was like 5:00 PM. And he was like, I'm gonna go sleep.

I'm gonna come back at 3:00 AM. And I'm gonna cut until the next day until we do it. We had no vocals, just scratch vocals. He came back at 3:00 AM. He cuts the whole thing. We're— it's like 7:00 PM. The thing starts at 8:00 PM. We still, like, there's so much left to do. Like, I'm in this room. There's like a glass case where you are. Like a glass— A glass? Glass window where you are, so you can see through. And you see guys, all the people that work for him, the guys have 2 phones. They're like— You see people yelling. And he's like, play it again. And we're listening to Reborn. And he listens to his verse. And he's like, again, again. And he listens 10 times. And I'm like, what's he listening for? And he stands up. And he's like, man, I'm fucking dope. And then he's like, I just had to realize how good I was. Again. And then we're, we get in the car, he's still, we're recording vocals on a laptop on the way there, putting them into the, like a lot of it was recorded just on like, sometimes it was recorded on a cell phone and we just put it in.

He would change it the day after, the day after.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we get there and it's like those, those times, they're so electric. 'Cause it's like, and like for me, every time I'm turning in an album for anyone, whatever it is, I'm like, I always leave it kind of till the last minute because I like to fiddle. I like to fiddle so much. I think you like— you like that.

I like the rock. Yeah, I want the ball.

Yeah, when it's— when it's— when it's time to go. Yeah. And it's like there's— you could pass it to anyone. I want— I want the rock. I want to shoot the 3 every time, 10 out of 10. Me too.

I would love to be passed the ball and shoot it and make it. Shoot one at me.

Is there a hoop? Oh, well, you're the hoop. Okay. Oh really?

Can I sit Yeah, who knows if it can hold a man like you.

Who was the hardest guy you ever had to play against? Like that, just like, oh, I can't believe I got to play him tonight. Both in terms of guarding, guarding, but I also mean like fear.

Oh, you feared no man.

You fear us a little.

I do fear a little bit. A little, a little. Who did you fear, man? I don't— it's like a good question. I mean, there was like really— I— the thing was you like love playing against the best players, so it's like, there were some guys that were just like more physical and more like harder to guard that were just like— it was just like, damn, that sucks. Yeah. But like the, like the Tim Duncan when I first got in, Dirk, and like LaMarcus Aldridge was so— he was so good, so good off the mid-range that like he was— but I loved playing against him.

Was there any kid like you, any guy that like just so happened was like his last year when you were in that you grew up like watching every— like as a kid and you like are playing like your hero trial.

Oh yeah, I mean, dude, my, my, my like first like real like welcome to, welcome to the NBA moment. We're playing San Antonio in a preseason game. It's my first preseason game and we're in San Antonio and I'm doing the court warm-up early like I talked about. Yeah. And I'm like going through stuff and I turn and I look at the other end and Tim Duncan, Tim Duncan is warming up. I'll be done. Nicest man alive. You be Duncan. He is the sweetest person ever, but he's also like, you have to understand kind of since I was 9 years old I've been watching him. He's like warming up and I turn and I literally just stopped and I like watched him for a second. My coach was like, yo. I was like, oh, yep. And it hit me in that moment that I was like, holy shit.

Like, this is my dream.

I'm about to play against Tim Duncan. It was a preseason game.

Say anything to him like, man, I love you.

You said—

Did you say anything to him like—

Did you say like, you're my hero?

You know what, I was so like, can't give away an edge that like I didn't. Not even at the end? Oh, no, no, for sure. He knows how much I respect him.

Tim, you watching?

What about when there'd be like people on the side, like celebrities on the side?

You ever fall in love with a woman? Like when you're like—

Yeah, has that ever happened when you like see a girl on the sideline?

You're like dripping down the court.

Fall in love with a woman? Definitely like when you're like young and single and like, you know, especially in LA, like somebody sitting courtside, it like gives you a little extra like pep in your step.

Wait, have you ever gotten a date off of a Off celebrity? of like when a girl's sitting courtside and you're— you don't have to say a name, but like you're dribbling down and she's there and you lock eyes and you like DM her after or something. Yeah, not even DM, maybe you go up to her.

No, he's a class act.

No, he's a professional.

There's nothing not classy about that. And I—

yes, nothing not classy about it. Wasn't it crazy going against KG? Like, yeah. He was probably so intense.

Oh my God, dude, he— dude, he was— he— because he like talks to himself. Like, he'll talk shit, but he's— he's— he's like— he'll like walk right by you and be like, this fucking pussy can't guard you. Yeah, he's talking to himself. So you're like—

you're like, you're like, am I a pussy?

Am I the pussy in the equation? Okay, he also— before games, he would go— sorry, he would go— yeah, he would like pull his jersey out and be like And like, put it through his chest, and you're just like, what the fuck was that?

For like, good luck? I don't know. Disgusting. It's intimidation.

It worked on you, right? You'd just be like, that's disgusting.

Kevin Garnett, KG. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Was any man so sweaty you didn't want to like go— I know in a pickup game, I hate it.

No, you're not noticing differences in men's sweat.

What? Yes.

Really? Of course you are. You don't need to play pickup games with guys.

When you have to like guard in the post, and like you have to— I thought everyone was so sweaty.

No, no, no.

Not the same amount. What about B.I.? I would change my jersey. Oh yeah, smelled the—

no, don't say it, don't say it.

Yeah, does Jokic sweat a lot? He, man, he's like kind of a, kind of a sweaty guy. Yeah, but like, dude, look at SGA, looks like he never sweats.

Yeah, and Bede, like every time he's at the foul line, he's taking a waterfall.

I played with Andre Drummond, he would change his uniform, he would wear 4 different jerseys. Wow. I would change at halftime cuz I sweat a lot. Does everyone change at halftime? No, but I am like a, my whole family, like my dad and my brother and I all sweat. Like when I work out in the summer, I would take like 3 shirts. Listen. And I would like change shirts like during the workout. Wow. It's weird.

Have you ever used your sweat to your advantage? In a game?

Oh, by the way, free throw? Yeah. If the other team's shooting, the other team's shooting, so like, you know, you're the block and you like, I would go like this Give it back to the ref, and sometimes the ref wouldn't notice. And then you would do that? Oh yeah. Hey, did you do you like at the free throw line?

I mean, anything. Are you ever like when they're shooting, pussy, like, do you ever do that or no? No one does that in the NBA.

No, but I would always do like, I would always kind of like— why was— why would no—

why wouldn't someone do that at the biggest crunch time moment?

I feel like I, I don't know, it's never done. I feel like it's just you, you like, guys will talk, they'll talk to you farting during like, yeah, you're definitely like, no farting, like, like, wow, like right before the free throw. Like, like, there's definitely times where you're like walking, you're like, oh, somebody just farted. You know, there's like 9 other guys, I don't know who it was.

Why is there not a guy like going like this? Like, like, like a guy's about to shoot the free throw and just like, yeah, like, or like some guy was like, pussy.

In the NBA, I never experienced it, but I'm sure like in the ABA they're doing it. I could see like, yeah, I could see like J.R. Smith doing something like that. Remember when he untied a guy Guys shoot.

Do you believe there's a line to cross with personal trash talk?

Yeah, yeah, 100%. There's certain things like you shouldn't— like, you can't, you can't take things like— shouldn't say anything about anybody's family. Yeah, like, really, like, you shouldn't— in the NBA especially, because of just the word— like, you shouldn't call somebody a bitch. Really?

Like, it happens, but like, you feel like everyone calls everyone a bitch.

Yeah. Have you ever done it? Really? They're all just saying— you never called anyone?

I mean, somebody will be like, yeah, Yeah. But like, I mean, that's not to say— guys definitely do. That's not like crossing the line, but it is like one of those things that will escalate it from like normal trash talk to like, oh, it's like heated now.

Yeah. So just if you say you're a bitch—

you definitely—

you can say that, but like it will take the trash talk, it will take the whatever is happening up to another level if you call somebody a bitch.

Wasn't there like a Chris Paul locker room fight situation?

Yeah, that was like— it's all myth? No, no, it was like— like, is that your scene? So that was when CP left to go to Houston, right? And we are in the locker room. CP and Austin Rivers had like gotten into it. I think Austin said something. I— this is, this is like what I, um, and then so, I mean, CP was just on our team, so the, the away locker room at Staples Center, now Crypto, and the Clippers locker room is like right next to each other. There's just a hallway that separates the two. So he just went out the side door and they tried to come come talk to Austin, and it ended up being like the exact same thing you see on the court of like a group of us, a group of them, it's just like, yeah, yeah, and everybody's like, all right, all right, all right, and like nothing happened. It was like really blown out of proportion.

Who's in charge of the pre-game music? Like whose iPod gets to go off?

Oh, in the locker room? In the locker room. Yeah, um, usually the Jets.

Did they trust your taste?

So, okay, so pregame locker room, you're not really playing music. No music. But like weight room at the practice facility and stuff, you're playing music.

Why don't you just listen to your own? Everyone has to listen to the same?

You can. Yeah. So in the locker room, there's usually not music. Guys are using their headphones. Yeah. Just because guys wanna, but like practice facility and stuff, like, yeah, I would like. Is it showers in there where everyone can see everything? Some of them.

Why would they still be that way?

Well, some of the home locker room, when you go on the road, 'cause the visitor locker rooms aren't nearly as nice as the home.

But it's the NBA. That's like making—

Have you seen all your— You've seen your whole team naked? Yeah, I mean, at some point.

Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. I mean, you kind of like— it's unavoidable. You're in the locker room, you have to change. Showers are like— like, there's probably— I mean, wow.

Are there any guys who are like Camp where they're scared they turn around and like, they don't—

Tobias from Arrested Development. Yeah.

Never nudes. Yeah. Are there any guys who— who—

there's definitely like guys who are a little less cavalier about it. About it.

Yeah, no one's ever showered with the bathing suit on that you've seen.

No, no, no, no, that would be crazy.

I would if I was in the NBA.

There's definitely some guys that are like, you know, you like, you're just more like—

there's a few guys who are just walking around, just walking in frame.

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No. So if you, like, especially like rookies or something, if you don't shower after practice or after games, you get like— like a rookie, you're like, hey, like, that's one. Because— and you only get— because it's just gross to like be around. And you don't— some guys, you don't know if they're going home and showering. Yeah. And like, so after games, —like, you got to—

It's like, did you ever have to have a talk? Social etiquette. Did a coach ever have to have a talk with one of the players and be like, hey, man, you stink. No, nobody I ever played with.

You need to change your deodorant. By the way, I'm sure it has happened, but nobody I ever played with.

Every time I watch an NBA game, I always— So annoying. I can't believe they make these men. They're 6'10". They're like— they have to see them.

Oh, yeah, you guys are all like this.

It's uncomfortable to me. We're the biggest athletes in the world. Like, not necessarily pound for pound, but size, height-wise. And we also have to move so dynamically, and we have smallest, like, rest areas.

They should have La-Z-Boys.

It's because they want to sell every seat. Yeah, every seat. All those courtside seats are $2,000 to $6,000 to $8,000.

Are you wearing a brand new pair of shoes every game? Almost. Why?

Isn't it better when they're worn in? No, because the— I mean, if you think about, like, my weight. Yeah. Like, I can break a pair of shoes in, and like the heat, you know, from your foot, like, break a pair of shoes in.

Like, break a pair of shoes in.

You can break them in so easily. Yeah, they're like, once I go out and do my 30-minute warm-up and do my lift and then go out for warm-ups again, the shoe is completely broken in.

You never have, um, at your level, you weren't like ever annoyed? Like, you would never like get in fights with your coach about like playtime, right? Like, that doesn't happen?

Not really playing time. Like, they don't pull you out? As I guess I got old, like, yeah, I mean, you got— that happens all the time. Guys are— most guys are a little bit upset about their playing time. Unless you're a starter, well, top 2 or 3 starters, usually they're playing enough where you're like, doesn't matter. But everybody else below that, I mean, you, it's basketball, you want to play. Yeah. And so it's like, it's kind of like, it's not a bad thing. It's like a healthy, as long as you're having a healthy conversation about it.

Who do they complain to? Like the—

I mean, yeah, you'll talk to coaches, you'll talk to maybe, maybe your agent will call the GM, like general manager, or like your season that you probably had the least playing time was what, Celtics or something?

And that was like the only year that you ever experienced that, that level of playing time, right?

Yeah, the year before in Brooklyn I was like kind of in and out a little bit. But was that like—

was it enjoyable still to be a part of an NBA team and watch playing, or was it just kind of torture?

Yeah, it's fun being with the guys, but yeah, sometimes torture a little bit. Like just like being like, fuck, I wish I could be out there, you know?

Can you say—

can't you—

no, but you have to be— you also have to be like self-aware and be like— at that point in my career, I was like, yeah, I mean, there's better— there's guys that can, you know.

So it's— wait, is there any guy on the bench that never plays?

Oh yeah, yeah, so many. Multiple.

And they show up every day and they sit out there and they wait.

There's some guys— they— there's a guy that they—

they're getting paid a lot. There's some guys—

there's some guys that, that get to play, um, uh, that, that they have on the team just like for almost like moral support. Like, that was that guy they got back on Wasn't the Knicks or someone? They brought someone back. Josh Gibson? Might have been. This year? Like an older— it was recently. They brought back an older guy. It's called locker room guys.

So it's like an older vet who's like— especially younger teams need like somebody older who's a good guy and like— Yeah, you didn't know that?

That is the sweetest, most team-spirited thing I've ever heard.

How come it's so common in basketball— wow, you're really feeling the game. Yeah, I feel it. Feel good? You just put a ball in this guy's hand, he can't stop. You can't stop. I did notice when you stood up though, your knee made a sound. It made a sound. It went— it was like—

Did it hurt? No, no, no.

I didn't hear that at all. I heard it twice.

When do my knees crack?

Both times standing up, cracks.

My ankles, knees. Do you eat so much?

You're so tall. I was just thinking about this.

You eat so much. I was just thinking about it.

I used to eat a lot more.

Now I don't. When you're like playing games, are you eating like 8,000 calories?

Yeah, it's like 6,500. 500 calories.

Yeah, yeah, like 65.

Yeah, like if you're playing a game, after a game, maybe, maybe 7,000. All right, and does it have to be healthy?

Fun. I mean, it doesn't have to be, but it helps.

Isn't there like some NBA player who says all he eats is like Sour Patch Kids? What was the— or is it an NFL player? Lamar?

Yeah, ate a lot of candy.

Yeah, Jamal Crawford, he won't mind me saying, he, he's like a candy— he, he would get on the plane with like a bag of just like, just Candy, all in the bag. It's like he's got like his iPad, headphones, and candy.

When I first met Gugliotti, he drank like 7 to 10 sodas a day and ate only candy. And then one time he called— I think I still have the voice note. He called me so proud that he said he stopped. He said he hadn't had any sodas or any sugar water, like water with sugar in it. He said, "For the last 2 months," and he was so proud. I still have a video of recording.

He probably feels so much better now.

Yeah. You changed Yadi's life. I might have.

I'm gonna see if I have it. Look for it. I will. You guys talk amongst yourselves.

7— 7 sodas is a lot of sodas. Your teeth would rot out. What's you guys' go-to carbonated beverage?

I mean, for me, I got no choice but to go with Olipop.

Okay, I'd like to play you.

It almost slipped my mind and I almost forgot to tell you. I was just watching my boat show episodes that I'm about to release, the one— oh wait, this third one, which will be— I'll have a little piece of our session in it. But I haven't had soda or juice since 3 weeks ago, maybe when I saw you. Last time I had some, I think I drunk only water every single day. I lost about £12. My skin's flourishing. Baddest bitch you'll ever meet. I just wanted to say this to you so you know. That's sweet of you.

Seriously, no soda, no chips. So genuine, actually.

Isn't it crazy how much weight people can lose when they like—

Yeah, no soda, no chips.

Just drinking calories is like so much. Do you guys eat healthy?

No. He eats like £50.

You eat like a little kid? You know, every— yeah, like every— One of my best friends from back home, the one I was telling you about, live with me, eats like chicken tenders and pizza. Yes, all of that. It's all he eats.

It's like Super Bowl. Every meal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what— 10 wings. Wings are here. It was his birthday and we said, we're gonna cook you all your favorite things. What are your favorite things? Here was the menu. It was chicken tenders. Yeah.

Oh, they're panko.

Buffalo chicken wing dip.

Oh, oh, um, it is very good.

Cheesesteaks and calzones and a Caesar salad.

We were all like sick after, like our stomachs.

And dry cakes. We didn't get it for him, but he requested I love dry cake.

What is dry cake? I don't know.

I just don't like icing. Oh, yeah. Maybe if there's a thin layer, but— Do you eat healthy?

Moist. You don't like moist.

I, like, pretty relaxed, but, like, for the most part, I'll try. I would call it, like, 70/30. What? Are you, like— Healthy to, like— Are you a foodie? I love food.

Yeah. Are you going to play golf today? What are you going to do next?

Yeah, what's your day like? I'm going out to— going to Malibu. You spend more time in Malibu?

That's what I was going to ask. We spend a decent amount of time in Malibu. Like, if I don't have that the kids aren't— the kids are not with me. Well, Blake, I got to tell you, you are just an absolute pleasure of a man. Dude, this was great.

You're so personable. Like, you're like our same type of guy. I mean, we would have been friends. Yeah, yeah.

Like, I think we are. Yeah, I was going to say, what happened? Can you make friends at 37, 38 respectively?

I think if we all went to the same school, we'd be like in the same circle. I, I hung out more with—

wait, what grade were What grade you go to? '07 high school.

Me too. '06. '06. Older guy.

You guys were a grade above us. Maybe you would like have looked up to a guy like me. You might have looked up to a guy like me. The seniors.

Yeah, the seniors and we were juniors.

We would have been proud of you.

Yeah. Thank you. Oh yeah.

I would have been proud of you guys.

I want another group hug. Kind of, we kind of all were proud. What a great closing.

Dude, you're so fun.