Transcript of Unlocking Intuitive Intelligence in the AI Era | Bonni McCliss DSH #1183

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All right, guys. Got Bonnie here in Las Vegas. Welcome.

Yeah. Thank you for having me.

Absolutely. You're not out here often, right?

No, no. Actually, I don't think I've been back for 20 years. Holy crap. It's cool to come back and see the developments.

That's a lot of development. Yeah. 20 years. Wow. I didn't recognize it. Yeah, because you're in Arkansas, right? Yeah.

I'm actually in Tennessee now, so I have a retreat center in Arkansas. But it's like a time warp coming back here is so different.

All of it. So you're by Nashville? Yeah. I like Nashville. I went there for the first time last year. You did.

What do you think?

I like it. Southern Hospitality.

Southern Hospitality. You get really connected to that. When I was driving from Vegas, I drove with my kids, and with my brother, he'd already moved out there. And we get to that, the border into Tennessee, and all of a sudden people would be just out mowing their grass and they'd be waving. I'm like, Do you know them? And he's like, No, they do that out here. Just smile and wave, and it's cool.

Yeah, you don't get that in cities.

No, not so much. You just got to look at the ground and put your purse.

I like that community aspect, though. It makes you feel like you're part of something. It does. In city, you're on your own.

Yeah, Absolutely. I think I took that for granted coming back. I was like, oh, that's right. Everybody is in their own little life shell doing their own thing.

Absolutely. You go on any ghost hunts out there?

In Tennessee? Yeah. Lots.

Yeah, there's a lot of ghosts out there. Lots.

You have the Confederate soldiers. You have all of that that took place in Franklin, Tennessee. You have a lot of stuff going on. Native American. I don't do it so much anymore, but back in the day, it was fascinating. Yeah.

Native Americans. There's a lot of history there, right? Yeah.

Trail of Tears. Yeah, a lot of that.

What were you seeing when you went to those sites with the Native Americans?

I've done so many. You know what's interesting about the Native American sites is they seem to They seem to be connected to the land or the community, or you get to almost look at time unfolding as if you were watching it, like watching a screen, seeing maybe energetic imprints or getting feelings or sensations of what took place before you lived there. It was different as opposed to some of the more modern areas or war. It was a little bit more interactive. Interesting. But yeah, I've seen so much Yeah.

It's a cool place. Yeah, because the natives are very spiritual, right? So there's a lot of energy from that.

Yeah. I think that's what it is. I think certain people, if you're sensitive, can just pick up on the energetic marks of what's present in the land. Some things are so powerful, they just stay. Yeah.

They say Vegas is pretty haunted.

Yeah, it is. I think it is. It feels like it just completely the energy turns the opposite direction than Tennessee. So it's like- Yeah.

Well, I've heard two things about it. Well, first of all, there's a lot of deaths on the strip, a lot of suicides, and I think 2000 a year or something. For sure. So all the hotels are haunted. And then I also heard the hotels block off energy, so the psychics can't win when they're gambling?

I've heard that, too, actually. I've really heard. Man, it wasn't like that back in the day.

Probably not. And then they became aware. They're like, Wait, why is this person winning?

Yeah. And they really watch you. Yeah. I think it's when I grew up here years ago, I was just inundated with all the stuff, a lot of the stuff that was like, lower or people that were suffering or had passed away. And as years have progressed and I've learned to work with this ability or energy, I don't sense that as much. It's like you find a way to hover above it. Interesting. So I think it's like a survival skill.

I heard it's like a frequency thing, too, right? Yeah, it is. A lot of them operate at a lower frequency.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So if you're not even tapped into that, you won't notice them.

Exactly. It's the It's a lot of energy, right? So you're on the bandwidth you're on, which is why fear or just this dystopian attitude. People are like, I don't know why I'm so unhappy. I'm like, it's the bandwidth. It's just strong to you all levels and frequencies that are adhering to that which you're putting out.

Yeah. Do you think it's true, like certain substances, alcohol can lower your frequency?

I think so. I think so because in my experience, when you see people with alcohol use often, it's because they're in pain, right? They're trying to get at something. They don't really know how. It's nebulous, and you don't have all your resources and faculties.

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I contacted with it. So, yeah, it does seem like they just attract different energetic patterns. It's really sad. It's like a vicious cycle.

Yeah, I've seen it, too, with family and friends. Yeah. Yeah. And same with certain prescription drugs. For sure. I've seen that for sure with people.

I live through that. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

Anti-psychotics. Yeah. And being a really happy-go-lucky human. But we know when they put me on the anti-psychotics, not knowing why I'm so different or divergent, trying to help me. It just put me on path of confusion. I didn't have the faculties. It was just so much of the unknown, and fear got in. And once fear monopolizes your system in that way, we're seeing that a lot right now. Yeah, your perception of all that is around you is skewed. So I think everything's always present. It's just where our perceivers and our energetic parameters are set.

Yeah, agreed. Yeah, there's a lot of fear right now with potential attacks. Yeah. All over social media. It's scary because you don't want to focus on it all day, but at the same time, it's in the back of your head. Right.

I think I try to stay on the flip side or the radical optimistic side, just for all the reasons we just said. It's this amazing balance of not putting your head in the sand and pretending that all is fine and not capsizing into this dystopian, hopeless arena for Earth or for communities or for families or relationships. It's finding that equanimity in it. But I think there's so many people on the planet that are showing up as divergent, as free thinkers, all this ingenuity, especially in the kids, that they're not really wired the same way. So I think that that's a really interesting, hopeful pointer for where we are. Old paradigm is not working anymore. We reach the glass ceiling of science, spirituality, philosophy, social structure. We're all seeing that pattern and paradigm just break away. It's intense if you don't have a foundation or an idea of why it's happening.

Would you Is that really part of that because of the age of Aquarius coming in?

Yeah, definitely. I think even the Mayans predicted this back at the end of the long calendar, that we're going to live in a time beyond time. What does that mean? We may not They said, We're going to move into a cosmic center. What does that mean? We're all just trying to grab the fruit and understand this. But even our ancestors, many different sectors and divisions talked about this time being unprecedented, changing. Even though the Earth is changing and fluxing and we don't fully understand it, I think it's more the people. I think it's more the people. I think if we need to focus on how to align and have a line and have a lifestyle to surf this, yeah, Aquarian age. What does that mean and how do we survive?

Yeah, it's definitely a new era, right, of thinkers. Yeah. I mean, the autism rates are crazy.

It is. I just want to redefine and really look into what does that mean. Yeah. I think technically the way I came into this world was very divergent. My systems did not process like anybody else's, and I'm seeing it all over the place. I trust nature. I think there's divinity, pattern, an intelligence that runs even through chaos. If you look at the fluxes that are happening in nature or the humans or the movements that are coming up, you can really start to see and predict how we're going to grow and what's the emphasis of our timeline. I think it is a lot these neurodivergent kids and these, yeah, the free thinkers.

Are they here, you think, to inspire everyone else?

Yeah, I think so. I think it's also like when you... I love the concept of the Mandelbrot theory with fractals, where it turned mathematics on its head. In old paradigm geometry, you had straight lines and circles and triangles, and that's what we built empires with. With the Mandelbrot fractal movement, you started to really observe nature and its intelligence. Nothing makes sense from the level of observation. If you expect things to fit in these straight lines in these boxes or these perfect spheres, you get stumped. But these kids are understanding this fractal-like intelligence, which is infinite, and this multidimensional awareness and thinking style that I think we really need to pay attention to. I think that's our evolution.

Well, that sounds like the ancients use that type of technology, with the pyramids and everything.

Yeah, they did. It's circling back around. We're remembering.

History repeats It's all about yourself, right? Yeah. I remember we were talking growing up like, we are the smartest of all time, but it possibly isn't true, right?

I think you're carrying the seed of evolution, especially the younger generations. There's seeds in all of us, right? But this capacity to work and think beyond an ego, just to move into observation and presence and collaboration. But this I think that's where our focus needs to be. I think it's about asking the right questions and having powerful intentions. Absolutely.

Where are you on the whole AI debacle? Are you excited, worried, or both? Yeah.

No, it's interesting People ask me these questions and my instinct is like, everything is going to be beautiful and fine. Obviously, it comes with complications. It's shattering old paradigms and usages. But I think as a whole, ultimately, it's added to this teaching and this blessing to think outside the box. So I think I air on the side of it could be very useful. Interesting. I think we're putting a lot of emphasis on it right now because it's so new and unknown.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I know a lot of people in the spiritual community are pretty, I don't know, scared or worried about it, I guess.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well, I trust the Earth. I trust nature. I trust patterns and frequencies. And if you If you just observe and look at things that are occurring naturally, now that's an odd word to use, naturally occurring, for something that really represents that that is not organic. But it's here and it's moving through people and it's not stopping And so if you just stop and be present with it and go interesting, I'm sure people felt the same way about ending slavery and about building airplanes. There were certain sectors of societies that couldn't fathom a different way of being. So I think it's new. Actually, I think we've been using it a lot more than we realized, but I think that the advanced science is not necessarily out to get us.

Yeah, it's been around. If you talk to people in the AI space, it's been around way longer than people Yeah.

It's just the fear that enters in our communities going, we're going to be overtaken. But power of perspective, man.

Power of perspective, facts. Yeah. There's a lot of fear-based things in the world.

Yeah. I think that's what it is. It's, to For me, this is the war on fear. And fear even itself has its place. But we need to create space and not lose balance and capsize into it because, like I said earlier, even from my background, it skews everything, and you can't see the entire situation. The Buddhist have this aphorism and this story that I love, and it pretty much surmises where we are. It talks about these four or five Buddhist monks, blindfolded, and they all had their hand on a different part of an elephant. They never seen an elephant before in this story, and they were asked to describe what is an elephant. One monk described the tail as spendily and thin, and that's an elephant. Another monk describe the trunk as being this really worm-like feature and so on. Some described the feet. Nobody was correct because they were only seeing parts and pieces of the elephant. I think that's what's happening right now is we're learning to step back to see from higher perspective, what is the entire situation instead of these more localized views.

I love that. We got to unite, right?

Yeah. We're all a piece of the puzzle, all of us.

I love that. I remember growing up, the fear stuff was... Because I used to watch the news every day. Oh, okay. Just seeing the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war, I lived on a fear mindset.

Yeah. Man, I remember that, too. It was controlling, almost. It was. And your family was upset upset in your community, and you're looking around going, okay, I better catch up and be upset, because if you're not, then you're unempathetic, and you're not taking it seriously. So I think now we're reevaluating what really makes a difference, where we can really be helpful. But yeah, you're right. I remember that. That was a really powerful time.

Tough times. Yeah. I had family in the war. Every day I would turn on the news and see if their name was on the list.

Oh, man. Yeah.

As a kid, that's traumatizing for sure.

That's your interest in this world. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. You know what that brings to mind, Sean? In many different cultures and sectors, people that came into the tribe that were seen as free thinkers or maybe healers. They were often put through a lot of test. In the Egyptian times, they called it this initiation or the adepts to really be exposed to really hard, fearful things, to be really in a place of contraction so that they can work their way through that and sustain and even fields of light and expansion. It's an interesting new look at maybe fear in certain doses as we're growing up or having these experiences, it too has a purpose of teaching us how to contract and expand. Problem is when we get stuck in one layer of that, we don't ever go through that expansion. Yeah, you get stuck in a loop. Yeah. I think we've been trained on how to be agile, actually.

I agree, though, because a lot of successful people go through some major trauma. Right.

Almost all of them. Almost all of them. That's the stories I hear. Yeah. Those that have come up with really, really forward-thinking ideas. Yeah.

It's very rare where it'll be passed down to the kid and they'll just continue it. It happens, but it's not as common as someone that went through some trauma, came from nothing. Yeah.

They have both sides of the paradigm of the polarity system. Yeah.

So I'm already thinking about my kids. What are they going to go through? Because they can't have an easy life or else it's going to be- Right.

I'm hearing a lot of young girls go, I'm not bringing kids into this. It's an interesting perspective. Yet we're seeing kids that are coming in that are really equipped. They're dialed in. As the frequencies change around us, that's just science. We're moving closer to an Andromedian system. We have all of these different changes in the solar system. We're electrical beings. We live on an electrical planet and we're just sensing all these different shifts. I think the key is how to live a lifestyle, to stay in alignment, and how to utilize this intuitive intelligence, not just for ourselves, but to support each other. And then mostly these kids. How are we going to show up for them if they already have the new hardware?

How are we going to be doing that? If they have a microchip in their brain. We're like, oh. What are we going to teach them?

Yeah, what are we going to teach them?

Yeah. I had Billy... You know Billy Carson? Yeah. I had him on yesterday, and he was saying kids will be able to download books without reading them in their head.

It's interesting. I'm getting the same vibe, right? I think, I don't know so many different thoughts and beliefs on that, but I think that they're just feeling the upper tier of this Ether network. If you look at Einstein or Tesla, they would say, I didn't make some of these breakthroughs based on book knowledge. I moved into a whole field of intuitive intelligence. That's what I see these kids coming in They know what you're doing, and they shouldn't know what you're doing. They know what you're feeling. They have an own inner regulatory system of what they need, even though it's against what we've been taught, you should do this, lights out at nine, go to bed, you should go into public school or private school. They just seem to have access to the spectrum of intelligence, which is, I think, the key of our timeline.

I agree. When you look at those top scientists from back in the day, they had a side of spirituality to them that doesn't get talked about. Yes.

Or it's an expanse of science that we just can't understand. To me, there's definitely a spiritual component to this, obviously. There's a mystical quality, but really what it is, is just patterns, frequencies, and And if you look at this like a vertical system or the higher that you get into the more refined systems of nature, these higher sentient beings are present there. This higher intelligence or ways to rebuild Earth is all in this upper deck of archives. And so that's available for anybody. But what I think is so different is that certain people are doing the work or fertilizing their consciousness or their brain in such a way that puts them into a space where they can just go up and get there. Just like those masterful scientists.

I think they can channel a little better than the average person. Yeah, for sure. Billy was saying this, it messed me up, actually. He said, there's no original thoughts. His theory was like, some people are just better at obtaining the information.

I think it's a magneticism or a field where, yeah, it's like if It's the law of attraction, right? When you put a certain signal out, certain things come back to that. So I think there's a theory on a philosophy that might be tried and true, that as you learn to live a lifestyle or inhabit an intuitive intelligence, yeah, you pick up on that signal. I think the problem, Sean, is that as you move into, especially the beginning of intuitive intelligence, it's so rogue against what you experience, you feel everything. You sense things that don't necessarily have the box that comes along with it. You are almost instantly different than your family or your friends. There's this strange ripping from an old belief system into a new. I think that's what shuts people down, just this transition. But again, to me, although it's mystical, it's an algorithm, it's a pattern, it's the framework of the Ether system that the indigenous people knew, that our ancestors knew, that these great, brilliant scientists tapped into. But it's seriously, it's there for everyone.

I've heard a lot of people when they're kids, they have these abilities, and then something weird happens and they shut it off.

Hear that all the time. Usually because they're kicked out of the social ring, that'll do it. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

You probably had a lot of trouble making friends back then, right?

Yeah. Yeah, I did. For whatever reason, it was okay, I think, because I had such a rich other life that was definitely considered just high level of imagination and then fractures in my neurosystem. But I didn't really need the same things from people, I think, because I did have that rich altered state lifestyle. So, yeah. Yeah. So we get lost in that, too. So it's balanced.

Absolutely. Yeah. These days kids are just getting bullied everywhere. Yeah. Social media, too. For sure. Social media too. At least back then with us, you got home and the bullying stopped.

Yeah, right. Right, right, right.

Now it's like they get back, they go on TikTok and there's a video about them. They go on TikTok, it's right there.

Yeah, Yeah, it's hard. But I guess this is their initiation. I think things are at critical mass. Again, we're breaking out of a system and people are angry. And I find most people actually aren't in touch with why they're really angry. They have all of these righteous ideas, not to discount them, really good ideas, really good points about social structures that are broken. But if you track anger down to its root system, it's always going to be fear. Again, it's that fear issue of being afraid. I think we need to really, really, really go within and sense what is it that we're so afraid of. For sure. We'll start to make some true- I love that so much because a lot of people take anger.

When someone's angry at them, they it personally. Yeah. But it's not really they're angry at you.

No. And now it's everything's polarizing itself. I think we're at this critical mass of polarity. So you can look at somebody in the grocery store and find yourself going, I don't know why they're that way. Or we're just finding this way that we're countering anything that's outside of us. Again, if you look at nature or trust that there is an intelligence, even in fields of chaos, step back and go, why is that happening? There's a lot of polarization going on. If you take out the human limitations or the emotions, you start to enter into some different frameworks. That's very fascinating. I think that if you pull back something and it hits some critical point, that critical mass or tension, all it has left to do is break free and propel itself forward. I think that's what's scaring people because it's a lot of energy. I love that. I had that.

That was probably my worst habit, that judgmental mindset growing up. I would judge everyone just because they That's what you're hearing from me.

Yeah, protection.

Yeah, but it stunts your growth so much when you think that way.

It does. That's the thing that I get the most right now, as we stand here, I often hear non-judgment, non-binary thinking, non-dualistic thinking, which is we judge everything from somebody pulling out in front of us really quickly. It's that constant repetition of, let it be as it is. Because every life form is whole. There's the center and there's the saint. Everything in nature has a system. It's a complete system. But depending on where we tune in to any given system, it feeds back our capacity to perceive. When you're seeing people who are like, this is just going up in a blazing mess, totally understandable, fierce tricky. I had my season of working through fear. I still do. But you put yourself in that resistance to protect yourself from pain. But if you just step back and really lean into the laws of nature, it starts to answer a lot of these questions. Like you said, Sean, it doesn't become as personal anymore, which, boy, that gives you some oxygen really quick. Yeah.

Yeah. I used to have crippling anxiety, but that mindset shift for me changed everything for you. Like not having the victim mentality. Right. There it is. Like life happens for you, right?

100 %. Well, I guess that depends on your belief system. What I tell people is that you can be of like team A mindset, where everything has an intelligence, an animating force within it, whatever you want to call that God or the universe, and that everything has a purpose and a precision point for its unfolding, which is hard to wrap your human brain around that, but that's one school of thought. Or like Team B, it's entropy. It's Murphy's law. Better watch your back because somebody's probably- Karma. Yeah, karma. It's all going down. The interesting thing is you can't really play both sides effectively. It really doesn't make sense at the end of the day. Some things are divine and some things aren't. If you're talking about divine intelligence, it's divine intelligence without maybe flaw. That's what it means. Or if you're looking at, you really need to watch your back and take up for yourself because nobody else is looking out for you. That's a different school of thought. But then how do you explain miracles and interventions and things? So hopefully, most people will move into this theory that there is a divine intelligence.

Again, if you can rest into all things matter and it's okay not to know why, you create that space. Once you create space, you can move up that vertical pole, like I was saying, start to enter into some of those frequencies and bandwidths that have higher intelligence.

Yeah, that makes sense because a lot of people are logical and evidence-based, right?

Yeah. We need those people, too, right?

The scientists and scholars, academics. Yeah. I think they're needed. I just think there's that gap, though, with the spiritual community.

There's a gap, yeah. I think there always has been.

Do you think it'll ever get to the point where they'll agree?

I think so. I think that is... Well, I think this is the age of Aquarius, right? So really, this is the stripping away. I think all of us would agree, if you've watched any news or media or if you're just feeling your feelings, that there is something off, there's something needs to change. I think that's really what the Earth pushes. It's just that simple. Change is coming. We're moving from a closed system that has lines and squares and triangles because that stuff gets in when you're a kid. You're told this is how it goes, and you don't really go back and rethink it necessarily until crisis happens. Or where there's a really grief-stricken moment where you have to just reassess. But I think that the purging and the changing at large is going to, by way of peace or chaos for some, is going to push us into a place where we can collaborate and start to be intuitive with our ideas going forward.

Absolutely. Do you think they should teach more of this stuff to kids, children?

I do. If you do some research with the beginning of the century, with the the philosophical movement or the anthropological or Rudolf Steiner in some of the ways that we educate kids on a very high-level sensory base, touching, feeling, integrating with nature, we had all that information. We still do, But I think, again, especially since COVID, there's all this confusion. But I think these kids are going to demand that we get back to a system of organics and connection. My vote hopes on them.

I hope so, too. My favorite field trip as a kid, I grew up in Jersey. We went to the woods for the weekend. Oh, right.

Oh, that says a lot.

Stayed in cabins. You got it. Yeah, that was the most I've learned in a while. Oh, my gosh.

That says a lot. I agree. I think also we're assuming our place is at a certain location in the world of nature. Where are we in the food chain? Looking at that and playing around with what is sentient life and what does it have to teach us. I mean, I've been reading a lot about like mushrooms, psychedelics, just good old fashioned wood mushrooms. There's crazy facts. For instance, don't quote me on this, but there's something around, mushroom growth is radically stimulated when there is an increased, increased lightning strike. Really? You're like, Okay, that's interesting. The mycelium network, we still don't fully understand that and how it's coded or networking or speaking to the trees. And so I think if we take a step back and go into field trips in the woods and just create that space for kids or ourselves, our natural memory or rhythm or constitution will always try to reach for higher grounds. So, yeah, there you go. We could just start hanging out in the woods. That's my plan.

I love me some mushrooms. Yeah, we were talking out there about how certain animals are actually really intelligent. Really intelligent. And you were saying chickens.

Yeah. I mean, I've learned people like, where do you get your teachings? Who is your mentor? I'm like, If I'm being perfectly honest, the chickens, the trees, my dogs, because there is an intelligence there. As per the work I do, I've seen a lot of people in transition points, even from life into death. One of the most incredible things I have ever seen in my life was the transitioning of my little dog, my little chihuahua. I was in the right head space, I guess, or the right moment to see the energy actually lift out of that form. Whoa. Yeah, you would think I would see this a lot, but I really haven't over the years. It was this indescribable color. I guess you could... Some hybrid of gold and yellow rose out of this little dog's body. For a split second, I could identify it as my dog. I mean, literally a split second. After that, it was just a level of consciousness that didn't hold gender or form or species or anything. It was just evidential intelligence that the universe has that's just coming out of this little body. And I'm like, whoa. So I think, I know it sounds crazy, but maybe playing with and restructuring what is the highest form of intelligence?

What are we seeking and where do we find it. But yeah, chickens are smarter, I think, than people get it before.

I heard pigs are smart, too.

Pigs are smart. Yeah. I mean, nature knows how to cope.

I had to give up bacon because I used to love bacon, but I've seen videos of pigs, and they're so smart. They're so smart. Yeah. I just I feel like the quality of the meat you're consuming matters a lot.

I think I turned vegetarian almost like 20 years ago. Oh, wow. Not for the reasons I maybe should have, like this rights of animals. I wasn't really that keyed into that at the for time. But somebody shared with me that energy never dies, and that when animals are kept in these terrible containers or the way that they're processed, that energy stays with them, and that is something that you consume and become part of. Really? That It's not her theory, but it was enough for me to be like, whoa.

Yeah, I could see it, though. Yeah. Aubrey Marcus talks about this a lot, how, well, he consumes meat, but he has to hunt it himself or he has to get it from ethically sourced places. Absolutely.

Or he has to get it from ethically sourced places. What the Indigenous people knew. I think it's about the power of your intention, and it's about co-creation with all forms of nature. As that comes out of my mouth, it's so evident that that's all we need to focus on and everything else will find its natural rhythm. Tesla believe that, that all nature is seeking rhythm, and we're a part of that big time. And so we just need to find where we belong.

Yeah. Tesla was so ahead of his time.

So ahead of his time. Tesla, at the very end, he couldn't really hold it. Right. So I think, again, it's this really interesting journey into high intelligence, and it's this expansion, but you got to know when to contract and ground down and pull back and just be with your family and your board games and your. You got to know when to pull it back and just be human and then go back in. But yeah, Tesla was a genius. But the sad thing is he And towards the end, he wasn't validated, and he had nobody, and he was lonely, and he started to snap around the corner. So it's just an interesting lesson.

I've heard some weird conspiracies around his demise, how the Trump family got his documents after?

Have you seen that one? No, I haven't seen that one. Yeah.

So I guess it might have been the FBI when he passed away. They took all his documents.

Yeah. That happened when he was alive. Oh, really? He stole his patents. Yeah. I forget for electricity. Yeah, absolutely. That seemed to be Tesla's maybe karma. I don't know. It's an interesting point. No, I haven't heard that one. But I think if you look at it from 50,000 feet, you have expansion and you have contraction, and you have to make room for all of it and find your balance and not get caught up. I mean, the conspiracy theories have their place, and it's a word of caution. Some of them are like, okay, let's recheck a system. But I think when I really, really started researching all of that years and years ago, it was my family that, you're not right. Like, pull out. You have 10-foil curtains. I was like, okay, you're right. Too far in. It's a slippery slope, man. You got to stay focused and present. And I think we're all feeling ADD or ADHD, but there are lifestyle skills and intuitive development practices that can put you on your mark. And I think it's key.

Yeah. I think it's so key to have intuition these days. Yeah. Because that's what's going to be what saves you from AI, from all the fake stuff.

Absolutely. Survival. Yeah.

So I've been training mine My fiance has been amazing. So she can take a deck of cards face down and she gets 80 % of them.

That's awesome.

I'm only at 20 %.

I teach people that, and then when I try to do it, I overthink it. I'm like, I'm out. I just know it's possible and you should go for it. But yeah, I think that's good you're doing that because I think it's going to be where we find peace and balance and we can actually be of service to our community.

Absolutely. Well, it's just such a good skill to have to be able to see someone and know their intentions without even talking to them. Yeah.

And then not judge them.

Not judge them, but be aware.

But just be aware of their pain and suffering. Exactly. And recognize it and move through it. And you might be the impetus of their healing because they're walking through a sea of people who are just opposing them and judging them. It may come across, I know to a lot of people as mystical. Like I said, it is the higher you get up into this Akashic field or these systems, you start to really interact with the higher sentient life forms. But it's really nature, nature's plan, it's patterns, it's vibrations, actually science. That's, I think, the key. I think people worry about if they go too far in the intuitive realm, will they just become cookey? There's that imagery of the crystal ball. I know that's a paradigm that's shattering, too, because I started this work so long ago, and I was in the Bible Belt. Oh, wow. And literally people really, they shared with me that it was a very bad idea that our county had just ran off the last psychic. Took her to court for witchcraft. I know. It's like such a different timeline. Starting then and seeing the level of how taboo it was and really gently trying to absorb that.

It's pain and fear people are acknowledging. It's not me. It's not the... It's intuition at large. It's just a misunderstanding. Gosh, and to look at where we are now, it's like one or three people are doing intuitive work.

It feels like it's great. I know. It's much more accepting now, right? Yeah, totally. Yeah, I remember back then it was very shunned upon. Even I was growing up, I was like, that's BS. That's BS. Like, psychics. Yeah.

Oh, even I thought it was until I was told. But my options, when they thought I was really out there or broken, I think even early on, I got to the point at 12: 13 where they institutionalized me for schizophrenia because there were no other options. Holy crap. Yeah.

So were you having just visions back then?

I was having visions. I was talking to things that weren't there. In your defense, it does look a little outside of the box. I was too old to be having these imaginary friends and contacts. My mom, God love her, just nobody knew what to do with that. So smattering of doctors, and the end result was that I had schizophrenia or some offshoot of that. Put me on medication. Well, the medication distorted my life support and my lifestyle. I figured out how to be in this world. Then it just came crashing down, which then and there is the institution. But again, it's that initiation, walking through the dark and finding our path. Ultimately, it was a local therapist that suggested that I wasn't. I was like, 20. And she's like, Oh, you're not schizophrenia. I'm like, No, I have the documentation. It's been ruled upon. And she was the one that said, no, it's a psychic ability. I was like, what does that even mean? Sylvia Brown? It was like nothing to ping that off. And I didn't believe it either. I thought it was not BS, but I didn't think that I could ever be so talented to touch such a thing and that I wasn't a part of that.

Took her a lot of examples and things that she would show me to at least wrap my brain around it. Then I got to this point, well, you can either continue to go into this world of darkness, of being broken, or you can investigate that this might be something different. That's really what I want to help people to do, is that this isn't just a few special people with some gift that nobody understands. It's the human capacity And of course, some people are aligned with it a little bit more than others because you have to have the teachers, you have to have the wayshowers, but it's not unobtainable for anyone. Like you said, I think it is going to be like a survival skill going forward.

What a beautiful story. Yeah, that happened to my dad, put him in a psych ward. Really?

Yeah. Really?

All this medication.

Oh, my gosh. Was he seeing things?

Yeah, seeing things. And yeah, similar story to you.

Yeah. It makes it really, really begs the point, what is that really and what's happening to people.

It really makes you wonder, because when I used to think of people in psych wards when I was a kid, I thought they were all crazy. Yeah, for sure. But now it's like, wait, some of these people might just...

They might be tapped into something. Yeah. It's like the first level of neurodivergence, that we just, again, we didn't have words or containers, and we're still not there, but my gosh. Then he had to go through that for you to be maybe you. There is this really cool lineage pattern. I appreciate all of it. My creed in life is to resist nothing, really. Again, it's not me putting my head in the sand, but just waiting and deserving judgment because there are so many other levels beyond what we understand. When you create space, somehow you are in the middle between momentum sentiment inertia at this, some people call it zero point energy field. When you're just still, or this is why meditation is so profound and can illuminate the path forward, you create that space or present or stillness in your life, even in small doses because I know it's hard. You open yourself up to these field lines, these archives. All you have to do is learn how to listen.

Absolutely. Meditation is a game changer because a lot of answers are within, right? Absolutely. There's this idea that you need to look up everything or ask people for advice. Yeah.

Which it spawns epiphany. I do my fair share of research and I'm like, oh, that's so cool. And I think, again, you just got to find a way not to be two on one side or the other, being up in the clouds and just staying in communication with higher life forms or ETs or angels or being somewhere other than here. That's not really what it's about either. We're here.

You need that balance.

Yeah, I need that balance.

Yeah. So were you the only one in your family that had these powers?

No, actually. I have family members that were institutionalized as well. Really? A lot of drug abuse and alcohol. I say that with, of course, no judgment, man. They just did not know how to carry this. I feel like I might have been the first generation, actually, and definitely am, through... I think my hope was just more fierce than my fear. It's nothing more magical than that. I just had this inevitable heart and love for nature in all forms. Noah, most of my family up until this point, just intense struggles, addiction and institutionalization. But I've turned it around, right? I have three great adult kids that they make room for this. They're not walking around doing what I'm doing, but But they've made room, and it seems like it has stopped some imbalance in the family line.

Nice. Generational curse has ended.

Yes, it has. And again, nobody's fault. Just it's learning curve. Yeah.

Yeah. I think each family has their generational trauma, right? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Mine was like, my dad got physically beat up. I'm sure his dad got beat up. That was more normal back then.

Wow. And it probably went back really, really far.

Yeah, but he never laid a hand on me.

To stop that momentum is like, that's massive.

Massive, yeah. And I didn't realize it until later in life, I had to really think about it because he had a lot of mental issues from the trauma, and I never thought about what's causing that.

Well, good for you holding space for him and seeing his journey. I think these are the true heroes of our time, those that hold back the tsunami of pain. And even under that pressure, still hear that echo of truth or the entire worlds.

That's intense. Yeah. Massive respect. He was my height, so he was 6'5, but he was 130 pounds.

He literally was in touch with- He got work.

I'm really hard on the farm, Pennsylvania. Really?

So farm worker. So that's how you grew up. Yeah. Kind of immersed in nature, too. Yeah. Yeah.

I do want to start a homestead one day.

Hey, yeah. I hear that a lot. I think it's about why we get into it, if we get into it because we're running away from a collapsing Earth. Yeah. That's probably not ideal.

No, I would do it on the side. I'd go there like three months a year just to get away. I think that's cool.

Relax. I think that's cool. I think that's where the Earth's going. We're all going to be vibing out on our homestead. It's like a lot of us.

You got these billionaires starting bunkers.

I mean, yeah, and getting chickens and livestock. And I don't know. It brings that reason of really introducing new teachers and new mentorship with listening and interacting with nature in a different way. We are having this feeling. We're having this inner code of a lot of us, leave the city and go do your own things. Absolutely. It's cool. You grew up on a farm. It's a part of your story. Yeah.

I grew up in the Garden State, Jersey. Yeah. So I took advantage how much I like nature because I was just there. But now when I move to Vegas, it's like I really miss nature.

Yeah.

You can see the contrast. Yeah. I just measured my chakras the other day. I had no root chakra movement. So that was a sign to me that I need to get back out in nature.

That's cool. And that's really cool that you bring it up in that way because I think from my experience, you can go recharge a little crystal and really take in nature and those ions and those chemicals and that information, that data, and you can survive. It's like holding your breath underwater. And you can come to different lifestyles, but you got to keep going back. And other cultures know that. I think it's just ours that are trying to figure out what's the highest framework of logic. But it's cool that you can measure it, recognizing, go, we got to make some shifts.

Yeah, we got a pendant at home.

That's good. Yeah, we've tried it all. I have a copper pyramid that I love it. I love it. These bio-mats, I'm like, whatever works, man.

We even looked up, do dogs have chakras? And they do. They do. Yeah, they They have even more than us.

I was just going to say, from my experience, they're really high intelligent beings. Jokes on us. We may not be at the top of the.

I know, right? Yeah, they got more than us. They got one on their nose and a couple more that we don't have.

I was just researching that. When you start to get into that, it's cool. It's wild. Field to see what you can... And chakras, these energetic bodies, they do a lot. They supply our pronic field, our energy, our physical body. But also they're these little magnets, they're these receivers taking in information. And so how far can that go? If we learn to amplify those energetic bodies, which a lot of cool people are coming to the surface talking about that with biohacking or with food and wellness and mindfulness. So I think we're figuring it out.

Yeah. It's super I'm just going to be aware of where you're at. I would measure it every couple of months, at least. I remember when I started the podcast, my throat chakra was completely closed. Really? Yeah. So this helped me open up. Oh, I bet.

Oh, that's fascinating. Yeah.

It was completely closed, which makes sense because I was very shy growing up. Right. Super shy. I'm scared to speak my mind, never raise my hand in class or anything.

Right. You were in this just a whole different realm of energy for sure. You know what? When you're talking about throat chakra, this is something I've contemplated. On the backside of the throat is what we would call the zeal point, and it's like the outlet. To me, it's like the psychic garbage disposal. When you're very sensitive or intuitively inclined, you take in so much information, like sensory overload, which we're seeing a lot, again, with young generations. If you press and push on that point, that meridian point at the base of the neck, it just creates this reset. You think about the throat, it could just be a point of critical mass, like you can't take any more information in. It makes sense when we start putting stuff out, it creates that.

Yeah, I've been learning about the lymphatic system, too. Oh, yeah. How you need to get your lymphatic system drained, right?

100 %. Oh, man. I have a trampoline in my bedroom.

Yeah, because you can get physically sick if it's built up.

Yeah, absolutely. Energetically and physically alive, for sure.

So I bought that machine that shakes your body.

That shakes your body, yeah. Have you seen that? I've done that a couple of times. That's so intense. I have way more fun on a trampoline.

Oh, trampoline helps, too.

But it's so hard to do... People hear all this. They're like, I don't have three hours to dedicate to the energetic protocol and health. So I think you just have to stay in the flow, like what you're doing, Sean. You're feeling, I need to make this shift. And so today I'll honor that. I need to get on the jiggly machine. I need to open up my lymphatic system. So I don't think it's about buying all the equipment and just really stressing out about this either. I think we have this natural rhythm that will pull us to whatever we need, if we just learn to listen.

Agreed. Yeah, one step at a time or else it gets too overwhelming.

Then we just quit and we start back over.

Yeah, 100 %. Bonnie, this has been so fun. That's great. Yeah. What are you working on next? Are you having any events or anything this year for people?

We have a retreat in Hot Springs over the Crystal Mounts. And so as soon as spring comes, we just open up camp. I love it. And teach and do yoga and talk about ancient occult science and intuition. So I love working out there, spring to fall. That's cool.

Yeah, I'm going to definitely come out this year. Yeah, I'm glad. Document it and stuff. I've never been to Arkansas, too.

I've never been to Arkansas. Man, people talk about portals and vortexes, and I've been all around recently coming back from Japan, which is radically sacred in so many ways. But Arkansas really takes the cake. Really?

Because I've heard of Sedona. We've been to Sedona once.

Sedona is awesome, too. Right. I guess I'd have to really- Neck and neck? Neck and neck. Okay. It's a tie, but it's a different energy, a lot of the indigenous. I know our dome, our retreat center is a geodesic dome. It's this sphere of sacred geometry, and you're surrounded by nothing but triangles. Wow. It's on these caverns, these crystal ley lines, but it's also on Indian mounds that's on the historic registry. You have so many different energetics flowing through that. That sounds beautiful. Research, man. It's fun. Yeah, we'll link it below.

I can't wait to visit. That sounds awesome.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anytime. So cool. So I'm so lucky. I just get to go play over there. So I just try to stay in the flow. And what calls me, calls me. So people ask, What are you doing next? And your guess is mine.

I love it.

Living day to day.

Yeah, right. Yeah, I love it. We'll link everything below.

Thanks for coming on.

Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate. Check her out, guys. Check out the center. And I'll see you next time.