Transcript of How To Raise A Charlie Kirk | Turning Point Academy’s Dr. Hutz Hertzberg

Have you ever found yourself wondering, How can I be sure to raise a Charlie Kirk? Well, I thought it would be fitting to talk to someone who's been Charlie's orbit since he was a child. A few decades later, Charlie personally tapped him to spearhead Turning Point USA's Education Initiative. Today on the show, I'm joined by Dr. Hudson Hertzberg, Chief Education Officer of Turning Point Education, where he leads all of their educational strategy and staff. Before that, he served as President of a Christian school in the northern suburbs of Chicago, which, under his leadership, was consistently ranked the number one best Christian high school in Illinois. His career spans two decades in higher Ed, leadership roles at places like the Moody Church in 20 years as a Navy Reserve Chaplain, mostly with the US Marine Corps. In this conversation, we talk about how Charlie's faith deepened over the years, why Charlie was so passionate about abolishing the Department of Education, how to choose the right US history curriculum for your homeschool, and what gives Hudson hope that we can turn things around in the public school system. Watch this episode on the Real Alex Clark YouTube channel or Culture Apothecary on Spotify.

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Yes, it is true that I've known of Charlie since he was in fifth grade. The school that I was serving as President when I was president of a K-12 school in the northern suburbs, a young man on our staff came to me shortly after I had started and he said, Do you know about this person? He said his name, Charlie, and all the great things he's doing. I said, No, I had no idea. I said, How do you know all of this about Charlie? He said, Well, I was a classmate of his at this school. I said, You're kidding. I learned then that His third-grade teacher had gone, his fourth-grade teacher had left, but his fifth-grade teacher was still there, Cindy. She was getting ready to retire. I went to Cindy and said, Cindy, I just understand that Charlie Kirk was a student. Tell me, what was he like as a fifth grader? Again, keep in mind, this was a few years ago, even before all the things are happening now with Charlie. She said, Well, I do remember him very, very well. There was a couple of things. First of all, he was a tall, gangly kid.

Still was. Second of all, he was always carrying a football. He'd have his football in the locker, and then he would carry his football around in his arm. That was another thing she remembered. But then this is really funny. She said, he was always trying to organize the other kids. I'm thinking, we just don't really change that much. But as it turned out, Alex fifth grade was a very instrumental year because Cindy was a very godly teacher. You know, of course, that I lead the education division. For teachers and parents, Sunday school teachers, this is a great thought or lesson. Every day, she would pray over the chairs in her classroom before the students would come, praying that they would grow in the relationship of the Lord or come to the relationship with the Lord. It was during Charlie's fifth grade year that he committed his life to Jesus Christ, and Charlie gives testimony to that. That's probably the most important thing that I can share about Charlie as a young boy, but that set the trajectory of his life.

How did you see Charlie grow in his faith from childhood to adulthood?

What I just relayed was when he was in fifth grade, when I began to know Charlie, it was 2017. Now Charlie's 23. He's maybe 24 right in that age, probably 23. He reached out and said, Congratulations, Dr. Hertzberg, in your new position as president of CHA. If there's anything that I can do for you, please let me know. That showed a little bit of Charlie's heart right there. I mean, how many people offer, but we know that's who he was. Then he became a donor of the school. Most people don't know that. Then he became a generous donor of the school. Most people don't know that. But all belies his heart and his desire to be of help. But in terms of spiritual growth, it really wasn't until I came on board in 2022 that I was able to walk in the June of 2022 to walk closely enough with Charlie to see his faith up close and for real. I have to tell you, Alex, and I say this now to all the people that have asked me about Charlie, and I talk about Charlie, more than anything else, more than being a social conservative commentator or activist or all the different things that he's called, he was first and foremost a Christian.

He was first and foremost a follower of Christ. He truly loved the Lord. As you well know, because you're very close to him, was very close to him, there was not a talk that he gave in these last few years that he didn't talk about his relationship with the Lord, even including just right in Utah, the very first question that he was asked was about his faith. I just saw Charlie become more outspoken, more bold about his faith, and I also saw it's a real, genuine faith. That was the most important thing to Charlie.

What makes you say it was a real, genuine faith?

The reason I say that is because I saw that faith in private, not just in public on the stage. You heard and saw Charlie many, many times like I did up in front in the public square giving testimony to his faith. But I saw it privately in our interactions, in the scripture verses that he would text me. I know not just me, but to many people, he would share scripture verses. When we had the opportunity to pray together, I saw a man that genuinely believed in the power of prayer. As you probably know, even the two-hour flight, or a little bit longer than two-hour flight up to Utah from Phoenix, the day that he was assassinated, he was reading his Bible, and he was texting his pastor asking questions. I have that confirmed by a person that right next to him that that's what he was doing. I say it's a real faith because it was not just a public persona faith, which is tough enough. I mean, you got to give him a lot of credit for that, but it was also a personal faith that was just overflowing into the public arena.

What are some funny memories or just personality quirks about Charlie that you can share?

He did love football, and so we talked a little bit of football. Again, very interestingly, he was a big Oregon Ducks fan. I think you probably know that, although not everybody did know that. He was assassinated on Wednesday. He was flying to Chicago on Saturday to watch the Oregon Ducks play Northwestern, which is our backyard, which is very close to where we live. That's a part of Charlie that everyone probably doesn't know. Big Chicago Cubs fan, as we've learned as well. You also know that sometimes he'd show up in meetings, T-shirt and shorts. Thought that was a little interesting, but he was a busy guy.

Let me tell you something. You could I would never say that Charlie Kirk was vain, ever.

Yeah, that's true. I mean, he probably didn't have as much coaching as I have in the way that I look.

I mean, he just did not care about what he was wearing or whatever. I think Eric had probably tried the best she could to help a little bit with that. But he was just so work-focused, mission-focused. He just did not care about what he looked like.

Well, that's a great point. When he engaged me about the possibility of leading this new division that he was starting, After an initial Zoom call, then he invited me to come down and interview him. We were in this building, in the boardroom right across the way there. Charlie walks in with a T-shirt and shorts. I wasn't off put by that. I know that he's a busy guy. There's a lot of stuff going on. He apologized, which was not necessary. But that's a little bit different than what you're expecting for the first meeting of the CEO of a pretty big organization. But here's the thing, and this, again, is not so much quirky as it was just Charlie. So he's asking me questions. It was the most friendliest interview I've ever had. So if you want to get a job, either he's going to ask to date you or he's going to hire you. But it was just very friendly.

And he didn't ask to date you, right?

No, he didn't ask that question. But I know that at least one person, he did ask that, too. But I've learned that in the course of thinking about a new position, you want to interview the person that you're going to be working with. It's very important. You can have the best job in the world, but if the person you're working with is not a good fit, then the best job in the world ceases to be the best job in the world. So towards the end of our time, I said, Charlie, I'm just wondering, what is your goal for Turning Point USA? Turning Point Academy? What is your goal? He looked me right in the eye and he said, To save Western civilization. And I laughed and thought, Yeah, that's really funny. He smiled a little bit. And then I realized he was dead serious. And I thought, Count me in. I want to be a part of this team.

Can you speak to why Charlie thought we should gut the Department of Education? I think he even had said it was unconstitutional.

Well, I know from our Educator Summit, he gave powerful explanation that it's not the government's responsibility to educate our children. Of course, we believe that. We believe that's a God-given responsibility to parents to educate children. At the end of the day, those of us that are parents are going to have to give an account to the Lord for the way that we raised our children. Charlie I understood that as well as anybody, that it's not a responsibility to be offloaded to the government, to anybody else, really. It's the parents' responsibility. The Department of Education, and it's interesting you asked that question because just yesterday, believe it or not, I was with the Secretary of Education in DC. We made a major announcement. Turning Point is one of the major co-sponsors of the 250 Civics Coalition, where we're going to do a national push, if you will, on It's civics for this next year leading up to the 250th birthday. But Charlie just saw the failures in the Department of Education, as many of us have seen, and we're just so thankful that President Trump is dismantling it. I sat right across the table from Linda McMahon, and He's resolute in doing that.

Charlie was, as usual, ahead of his time, seeing that, pushed for it, and I'm thankful that it's actually happening.

Okay, now that you bring up the 250th birthday, this is what President Trump was talking about when he was campaigning, wasn't it? That we were going to have a big party? Yes. Okay, this is so interesting because I completely forgot about this, that he had said that until just now. What you're saying is President Trump is working on this thing in our public schools to do some civics education and stuff. Is that what Are you talking about?

Huge. He's charged Linda McMahon. The American First Policy Institute and the Department of Education are coming together to form this coalition of over 40 education organizations. But the two major Sponsors of this movement or effort is Turning Point USA/Education and Hillsdale College. Dr. Larry Arn, the President of Hillsdale, and I, along with Secretary McMahon, were the three speakers to this group. We, in the Library of Congress just yesterday and spoke to this huge crowd of educators all around this table. Then we had a press conference with all the members of the press, liberal, conservative, everybody in between. We had the opportunity to speak again about this initiative. Then we had a lunchtime together and had some more informal time. That's when I had the opportunity to really talk with Secretary McMahon and just get a sense of how serious she is about this. But to your question, yes, there's a It's a major initiative that was announced. You'll be hearing more about it, but there's going to be something that's going to happen in all 50 states. It's going to start in Delaware and Philadelphia. There's going to be a speaker series. There's going to be not only lectures, but there's going to be opportunities for students to learn more about our country, new curriculum that's going to be introduced.

It's really a four or five-prong effort to help restore civics education in the United States.

And no '1619' project. Amen.

Amen.

Wow. That's so incredible that you were doing that. You were just in DC. At the time we're filming this, yesterday would have been six days after Charlie's murder. You're representing Turning Point USA, Turning Point Academy. I have been telling the media for the last several days that we have not stopped. We have not stopped as an organization. Charlie would have wanted that. He would have been so proud of us for that. He would have been proud of you for going to DC and getting on that plane. I mean, what was that like for you getting on the plane to head to all these meetings after Charlie's murder?

Well, just like you, Alex, and you said it so well the other night on National Fox News, but we're more resolute than ever. As I had the opportunity to speak, I began both with speaking to all these education leaders, but then also at the press conference when I gave the opening statement that I said on September 10th, 2025, Everything changed for us and nothing changed for us. And by everything, of course, when you lose your founder and CEO, it's not business as usual. That's a big deal. And certainly somebody like Charlie. But on the other hand, it's not like we're folding the tents that we're going backwards, we're cowering, we're more resolute, more committed, more focused than ever. I know that's true in my division. I know that's true in your division. I know that's true in listening to my colleagues now and then hearing Erica herself. I think it's really representative of who we are right now. I think there's very few organizations that would be in that place if their founder had just been assassinated.

I agree with you. You know what I think? I think that part of the reason we are able to move forward in in the capacity that we are at this point, and don't get me wrong, while being wrecked with immense grief is because this organization is filled top to bottom with strong Christians. Strong Christians, from Charlie and Erica to you to Marcus Wada, who is the Director of Productions for Turning Point USA. I mean, this is why. It's group chats filled with prayers every morning. It's coming in early for Bible studies. Just like Charlie's fifth-grade teacher was praying over seats. I know that there are directors in this organization that are praying over our individual desks every day. That is something so incredibly magical and special and supernatural about Turning Point USA as an organization that Probably hardly any other organizations can say.

The way I say it, Alex, is that this is the most Christian, non-Christian organization I've ever been a part of. Because really, we're not a Christian organization per se, but to what you just said, we're filled with Christians. People that love the Lord and they want to use their gifts, talents, and abilities for the Lord. Then we share common values, conservative values, that it's not by mistake that we're all here at Turning Point because we believe in what the mission of the organization is. But I think you're absolutely Right. I mean, we share that common faith, and we know that's not 100%, but it's a pretty high number of % in our organization.

Charlie chose you to run Turning Point Academy and Turning Point Education, which is a separate division of Turning Point. I mean, we have all types of departments. We've got productions, like I mentioned. We have events, we have graphic design. We have our National Field program, which is who's in charge of all the chapters on college campuses, CVP, and then you've got academy. Can you talk about what Turning Point Academy is? Because some people may not even know about it, even as a homeschool family.

Well, can I give you just a little background on how it even came to be? Yes, please. You well know, and all your listeners well know that Charlie started on college campuses, and that continued right up to the last day of his life. For 13 years, he brought the work to college campuses. But also, as you just articulated so well, the organization has grown into some other amazing kinds of things. But Charlie began to see that kids were coming to college campuses already indoctrinated. I think of what Dr. Robert George, Professor of jurisprudence at Princeton University, I heard him being interviewed not that long ago. Someone said, Dr. George, what is different on college campus this day. He's this distinguished professor at Princeton University. Been there, been a professor 39 years. He said, I've noticed in the last 10 years or so that kids are now coming already indoctrinated in a college. It used to be that they came to college, they got indoctrinated. Charlie had this pulse on that. I began to see that, too. I've been in Christian higher education for a good part of my life, but I began to see the same thing.

Even in Christian schools, kids were already being indoctrinated before they got to Christian colleges. I realized that you have to go younger, you have to go upstream to get the kids younger. Charlie was seeing that. I think that was part of his thinking in terms of starting something that's going to reach younger kids, reach families earlier. That gave birth to Turning Point Academy a little over three and a half years ago. When he brought me onto the scene and ended up asking me to lead Turning Point Academy, there was a big vision, not much on paper. But Charlie did a big splash in the media, as you would expect, and we got incredible interest right out of the gate. I remember one of the first things I had to do was to go through 300 emails, and it ranged everything from, we have $15 million here in Nashville, come Start a school for us, to, My daughter's in sixth grade. What history book would you recommend? Everything in between. So we had to bring focus to what Turning Point Academy, that was our name at that time. I'll mention that we have updated our name.

And so that was one of the great challenges But a good challenge is to really bring focus. And we have five major areas of focus. We felt like just a couple of months ago, maybe three months ago, that we've really outgrown our name because Turning Point Academy, people would always say, Well, where's your school? We would say, Well, we're not a school. We're a movement of God-centered, virtuous education to promote student flourishing. But we were always having to explain our name. Actually, I told Charlie that when he came up with that name, and he said, Well, I think people will get it. They did. But When I came to him about three months ago, and I can remember where we had this conversation, he said, Huts, if you think that's the right name, then just go for it. We did change her name from Turning Point Academy to Turning Point Education. Alex gives a better picture of really what we're doing. But we have five major areas of emphasis that I could share with you.

Yeah, what are the five areas?

Charlie's original thought was we're going to start Dream City Schools across the country. Some of your listeners would not know Dream City. It's a Christian school in Phoenix, and The church has a close relationship with Charlie. They were our first school, if you will. But five-day-a-week Christian school, and right now under some really great leadership. But the challenge is to try to replicate a five-day-a-week school to hire full-time employees, to hire and then find a day of appropriate facility is a ton of money. I said to Charlie, I said, If your vision is Dream City School, we'll start maybe three or four a year if we're fortunate. There's got to be a better model so that we can really scale this across the country. And so long story short, Alex, we came up with what we call our 5C model, Christian classical, conservative, collaborative, cost affordable. Every one of those Cs is important, but hybrid model. Our students are in the classroom 2-3 days a week, and we're partnering with churches. Churches, as a lot of your listeners will know, are usually available during the week. I mean, there might be a Wednesday night program, maybe a Tuesday night program, maybe a Tuesday night program.

But a lot of churches have these great classrooms that are not being used during the week. We have leveraged that in working with churches across the country to use their facilities. Because as the school that I led, the Charlie attended, my two highest costs were your personnel costs and your building and grounds costs. So we wanted to bring that way down. And so our personnel costs have now been brought down because our teachers are part-time teachers. They lay out the work for the week in the classroom, and then the students come back, usually one other day a week. But the students then are activating or they're working on the classwork when they're home, and then they come back, report out to the teacher, give reports. So we feel like it's the best of homeschooling and the best of five day a week school. But for the purposes of turning point, we've been able now to scale that model across the country for all those reasons that I just mentioned, not the least of which it's a cost affordable model. This model, on average, is $2,500 a year for students, the cost of students to attend.

That's unheard of for high-quality Christian education in the country. The school I led, it was $18,000 a year. I tried to raise close to a million dollars in financial aid. But $18,000 times two kids, times three kids, times one year, two years, three years, it costs people out. People are priced out. We wanted to come up with a different model. Anyways, that's the model we starting schools across the country. This year, we're working with 43 groups across the country. There's a 9-12 month incubation period, but school groups from Alaska to Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

It's very exciting. Are these homeschool co-ops or what?

Well, no, they're the hybrid model. Most Most all of these will turn out to be some version of what I've just said. The students will come to, usually a church building. It's not 100% church buildings, but most of them are, and they'll get their instruction, usually maybe on a Monday, and then they'll come back on a Wednesday or Thursday for further instruction. But their work is all laid out for them. A lot of people say, Well, you should be homeschooling. They'll say, I'm not an educator. I don't know anything about it. I don't know anything about curriculum. Where do I start? We've taken all that out of the equation. Because of this model, all of that is done by professionals. It's now the students that just have to do the work once they're at home. Under parent supervision, but the older the child gets, the less supervision they need. But they're graded by teachers. They get presentations in classrooms. They actually get report cards. We don't even call it homeschooling. We call it school, but it's a hybrid model of school. That's the number one thing that we're doing, but we are doing a few other things.

We do Educator Summits, and you were so gracious to be at our Educator Summit this summer in Tampa, Florida. This was our biggest so far. I think we had about 5, 600 people that had signed up for it. We get private school attendees. We get Christian school attendees, we get homeschooling families, and we get public school teachers and administrators. We were able to attract a big cross-section of folks, which is great. Then curriculum. We felt like there's certain areas where there was a lack, and particularly patriotic curriculum that had Christian values or Judeo-Christian values. The amount of interest in our curriculum, and now we have seven, eight different pieces of curriculum that we've created more on the drawing board, has been off the charts, just off the charts. I mean, this is going to blow you away. You I'll never be sitting down when I tell you this, because since Charlie's assassination, since his passing, we've had over one million orders of our curriculum.

Oh, my gosh. I am convinced my audience makes up about 800,000 I don't disagree with that. When I posted the links to get the curriculum for people, I was like, Hey, you should... One of the different facets of Turning Point, which I love, is Turning Point education. I posted that link and I was like, Holy cow. I mean, it was like flying off and it was sold out and all that.

Well, we give you royalties, except we don't charge anything for it.

Yeah, it's free. You could just use code education, right, and get a digital version of the curriculum.

Absolutely. That's what people all across the world Let me just quickly interject this because, again, since Charlie's passing, we've heard from people from a hundred and 96 countries. I didn't know there was that many countries. I've looked, I think there's about 220. But I mean, the The actress has been off the charts. With all the sadness that we feel in Charlie's death, the Lord is using this in amazing ways. It's not just in our division. You're hearing the stories all across the board. But you ask what we're doing, Turned Point Education. We're starting schools, we do Educator Summit curriculum. We have an association that's our fourth major initiative where we have people from around the country, and probably soon around the world, that share our values, that want to lock arms with other people that are concerned about making a difference in education. We call them affiliates, and they're invited to join. They're in the inner circle of what we're doing. We have special updates for them. We connect them with each other. It's very exciting, actually. We also have affiliate schools. We have affiliate organizations. Then our latest initiative, and this also is exciting, is we've launched Prep Year.

One of the last things that Charlie did for us, again, just a week before he went to the Lord, is that he recorded a greeting to our Prep Year students. These are post high school, prior to going on to college or whatever they're going to do next. It's a nine-month in-residence program where they study the great book, the Bible, the great books of Western civilization that Charlie was always a champion of, the great documents of our country. So great book, great books, great documents, the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Federalist Papers, Anti-Federalist Papers, Bill of Rights. Then they have great mentors, great speakers, teachers. And so this is a nine-month in residence. This is really like Special Forces of Turny Point. We have 34 amazing students in Fortworth, Texas that are there right now from across the country, 16 states. This is our first iteration of it. It's only going to explode. Charlie says on this video that, Hudson, you came to me and said, Let's do something. You're always talking about not going to college. Well, let's provide an alternative. Well, this is an alternative. The program is designed, Alex, to provide such a great foundation for these students that regardless whether they go on to college, and several of them will, or into the military, or into the trades, or into the arts, or become an entrepreneur, or a homemaker, whatever it may be, they're going to have a foundation that they never got in school prior to this.

Because schools don't teach civics anymore. Schools don't teach biblical worldview. Unfortunately, even a lot of Christian schools don't do a great job at that. You ask what we're doing, that's the major things that we're doing at Turning Point Education.

Do you think that there's a future where Turning Point might offer year as an online paid course that people could do?

Well, so much of what we do is in the classical pedagogy, where we want interaction with one another. We want more of a Socratic method where there's interaction back and forth. The students do a lot of presentations, discussion. They break into groups. I know some of that can be done online.

It's something special in person.

It really is.

Who can get involved with Turning Point education and how?

Well, I would say almost anybody could and should would get involved in the Turning Point education. I would say anybody that is concerned about the future of our country, that is concerned about the precious children in our country, should at least check us out, if not get engaged with us in some way, shape, or form. This is the future of our country. Charlie, again, saw that and realized we want to be active and do some significant important things at that level. If a parent wants to be involved by either taking advantage of our curriculum or attending an Educator Summit or being one of our affiliates in our association, say those are all be great ways for them to be connected. Teachers, we support teachers all the time, again, through our curriculum, through our Educator Summit. If people are interested in really partnering with an organization to help them start a school, we're so fortunate. We have wonderful donors at Turning Point, as you all know. We're able to provide everything that I'm saying to you without cost. We walk with a group of people for 9, 10, 12 months from conception to birth and starting a school.

And so in your area, if there's not a great school, we will help you start a school. And we give all of our experience, our expertise. We take them from A to Z in the course of, again, nine months, and then we help launch them. And most make it to launch. Not all of them do, but many most do. And then even if they launch, we're still there for them to mentor them and help them. So I would say, Alex, that anybody who's concerned about the children of our country, and to answer to your question about how they can be a part of Turning Point Education, very simply, probably the greatest or the easiest starting point is just go to our website. You can find us by going to the tpusa. Com website. But even better, just go directly to our website, Turning Point ed. Com. Everything I just said, Alex, is there. How to Start a School, the Educator Summits that we do, the curriculum, the association, which again, I love for your listeners to seriously consider that. Then if they soon to be graduate of high school to really consider or prep your program.

But it's all at our website, ternipointedalloneword. Com. You'll appreciate this. In our neighborhood on Sunday mornings, we go to church, but we look around. There's hardly any other cars going out for church on Sunday. But there's many families, and every family, one way or another, intersects with education, whether it's in the public school, whether it's in some other form of education. I love Turning Point Faith. I feel like their mission is critical for the future of our country. But many people are not connected with church, unfortunately. Everybody's connected with education if they have kids. I feel like our universe is so huge, and we're just scratching the surface. We got a lot to do.

What can parents do today to ensure that they are raising the next Charlie Kirk?

Well, they can send them a prep here because that's what we say. These are the future Charlie Kirk's of our country. But short of that, I think it's to help them understand civics that really undergird what our country is all about, to really understand our nation, how it was founded, why that's important. Charlie was self-taught in a lot of ways, and I don't know how much he... I think he got a little bit of that in our school when he was there, but he then went to the public school after that. He got zero from the public school. To love America, you've got to know America. I mean, you can't really love something you don't know. And that's the problem today is that kids, they don't have any really true knowledge of our country, the greatness, the founding, the history, why all these things are so important for our country right now. Charlie was committed to learning that and certainly propagating that. I would say, parents, help your children understand why our nation is unique. It's a unique experiment that has survived now 250 years. That would be one thing. Then, of course, helping them to understand that this is one nation under God, that God was central to the founding of this country.

I mean, those two things to help students, their children, understand this The Nation was founded with a central belief and faith in God. Then why is America so exceptional? We've lost that understanding of the exceptionalism of America. We're trying to bring that back, as you are, as so the people that are listening. I would love for your listeners to join arms with us, to partner with us, to join our association. There's no charge to join our association. They will be strengthened in their resolve, and they'll be connected with people just like them all across the country that care about the very things that I just said.

If you could offer one remedy to heal a sick culture, physically, emotionally, or spiritually, what would it be?

I would honestly have to say God has got to be the starting point. Again, just as we were talking, our was founded in a strong belief in God. And so that's not your starting point. You're going to end up at a very different point. So really, I would say, if you're really pinning me down to answer that question, we need a returning to God in our country. Some people call it revival. People have mistaken notions of what true, genuine biblical revival is. But an awakening where God is working in our country, people are turning back to him, families are turning back to him.

Might be happening now.

It might be happening now. You're exactly right. Isn't that just like the Lord to do that? Of course, scripture talks about that unless a seed dies and falls to the ground, it is not able to be multiple. It comes back multifold. John 12: 24 speaks about that. I do see that happening right now, and time will tell. We'll be able to look back and say, This was the start of an amazing- This is the turning point. This was the turning point. Wouldn't that be ironic but wonderful?

Dr. Hertzberg, you are a great of the Keurk family and all of us at Turning Point. Thank you so much for coming on.

Appreciate you so much. Thank you, Alex.

What a sweet man. I love him. Turning Point Education is my absolute favorite Department of Turning Point. I say, Don't tell Turning Point productions that. But I love what they've got going on, and it was very, very dear to Charlie's heart as well. If you didn't know about it and you're a homeschool mom, or you're a teacher, or some administration official in the school system, I hope that you will check out Turning Point Education. They throw amazing events also, by the way. So something to think about. This episode concludes my tribute episodes to Charlie Kirk, and we're going to take the next week off. So there will be no new Culture Apothecary episodes. We will be back on regular schedule with our regular type of Maha episodes on Monday, October sixth, with an incredible guest, a doctor who specializes in NAPRO technology, who is helping women get pregnant without IVF. This was a cause that was incredibly important to Charlie, right? Having kids, revitalizing the American family. So I am so excited to continue on Culture Apothecary with that episode first. I'm Alex Clark, and this is Culture Apothecary.