Transcript of Wild Crime: Because They're Mine | S4 Ep. 3

Hi, it's Deborah Roberts, co-anchor of 2020. You're about to hear the third installment of our four-part series, Wild Crime: Eleven Skulls. Here's episode three, Because They're Mine. Is So he had confessed to Samantha Koenig. He knew that there were going to be consequences, and he made it pretty clear to us that he was willing to talk about more. He had identified that there was a couple in Vermont that something similar had happened to. We were shocked. I think the initial reaction was a shock that it's a couple. It's not a single person, but that it's a couple. We immediately start googling and trying to figure out who this couple could be, and we very quickly identify the careers. But he's had some demands. As soon as I started talking to you, I knew I was never getting out. I'm not bubba from the sticks who sat in one town for all my life. I've been lots of places. I've done lots of things, and I'd rather go out while I still have some good memories. Secrets in the wilderness. Beautiful yet treacherous landscapes. These are the stories of investigators who saw of murders in wild places.

Israel Keyes had indicated how he wanted the death penalty. He wanted it quickly. He would be willing to talk with us as long as we were clear on what his goal was and we could help facilitate that. My name is Bob Drew. In 2011, I was assigned to the Behavioral Analysis Unit. Our goal is to provide behavioral insight into unusual or repetitive crimes. We look at the offense and try to determine personality traits and characteristics of the offender. I don't really consider myself all that different or all that special from hundreds of thousands of other people. All you have to do is type in a word search on any given porn site, and there's all kinds of people who have fantasies about rape and bondage and the kinds of things that I take to another level. Israel Keyes has sadistic sexual fantasies that involve rape and murder that are very ingrained in him. Israel Keith told us that if he told us the things that he did, there was no jury in the United States that would not convict him to death, that every jury in the US would give him a death penalty. Police are searching for a couple from Essex, and they're calling their disappearance suspicious.

Bill and Lorraine Currier. I walked around the neighborhood. After I found that house and decided that it was probably an older couple just because of the way they had their backyard set up, they had a swimming pool and a deck and a barbecue. It just looked like an older couple that didn't have kids. So I knew there was probably only one room in the house that was being used as the bedroom. He was looking for the circumstances that would line up well for him to take someone. I cut the phone lines because usually if there's an alarm system, it'll trigger the alarm. The neighbor next door, he was still up. He kept coming out smoking. I held off for quite a while before I actually broke into the garage. It was like a blitz attack. I was probably in the bedroom with them. In five or six seconds. I had them roll over on their stomachs and told them to keep their faces down on the pillow and not look at anything. And after they had done that, I restrained their wrist. So you have to tell them that they know they're being robbed. That's what they think is that when they're being robbed.

Well, they kept trying to ask me. I didn't tell them what was happening. Anytime I was in the room, there were never any lights on. Just your headland. Right. It's a way to control the victims because you're blinding them. They were wondering what was going on. I just told them it was a kidnap for Anthem set up and that there were other people involved in it. I think they thought it was a case of mistaken identity or something. I was just bullshitting him. He knows what's coming. He has a plan to kill them. He went in with this plan to kill them. Part of fooling them and making them think that there's hope feeds his sadistic nature and his sadistic fantasies as well. Once I had him in the car, I had her in the front seat. Her hands were behind her back. I had cable ties on him. I We had cable ties on our feet, too. Was he in the back? Yeah, he was in the back on the past of his side. He's driving around with the carriers, even if it's just for a couple of miles. There aren't a lot of people around, but it's a hugely risky thing to do because there's a chance one of them could escape.

He's not experiencing fear. Psychopaths don't fear what most people fear. They don't have emotional responses that are even on a continuum of what other people experience. You drove straight from their house to the house that you'd already picked out, or did you have to find that? No. Yeah, we drove straight there. I already knew where it was. He described Bill is still restrained, taking Bill down to the basement and securing him down there. Cable tied his hands down to the stool so he couldn't stand up and then had the stool backed up against the wall. It must have taken me longer than I thought because I came out of the basement and she got out of the car. She had somehow broke the cable ties on her hands and on her feet and got out of the car. He grabs Lorraine, drags her back to the farmhouse, takes her to a bedroom in the farmhouse. He had been in the farmhouse previously really preparing it. There were some mattresses and things in the bedroom where he took her. She finally shut up a little bit, and I heard something downstairs, and that's when I started having problems with the guy.

I went down there and he had the stool. He was a big guy, he was overweight, and the stool had just collapsed. The cable ties that I had on his wrist, behind his back, they broke. I don't know, just messed my whole plan up. At that point, he was still trying to talk me out of it. He's like, Just let us go. We haven't really seen you. You can still walk away. I just laughed at him. I was like, You don't even know how much plan I've put in. Just walk away. That was part of the whole plan for taking a couple. I had this idea in my head of what was going to happen. He would not openly talk about if there was a sexual component to the male victims that he killed. But the homicides were absolutely sexually motivated. That was a very large component of the homicide. My plan was to take him into the basement, tie him up separate, and then take her upstairs. There were these two queen-size mattresses in the upstairs corner bedroom, and that's where I planned to take her and then him. She was annoying me that I was having to deal with him, and I just came with the realization that he wasn't going to stop fighting.

There was a shovel in the basement, and I hit him with that a couple of times. But then I was all hamped up and grabbed the 1022. There was a cop car right across the road about 100 yards away. Two young cops lived right across the street. Israel Keyes was pretty confident in his ability to pull this off right under the nose of the police. So I grabbed that, the silencer, and put that on. He saw the gun, and he started to say something, and it just pissed me I started pulling the trigger. I pulled as fast as I could until the magazine was empty. After he killed Bill, he tells us that he rapes Lorraine Currier. He rapes her multiple times. Talks about going outside, taking a smoke break, coming back in, and raping her again. This story hit me a little bit harder than he's talking about what happened with Samantha in part because he was even, I think, more detailed in his description of what happened with Lorraine. Just the things that he did to Lorraine, it was incredibly difficult to listen to and to imagine that that happened. Sorry. Just like, I don't know, I guess you could call it the fantasy that developed over the years.

And he said he took Lorraine downstairs and Bill's obviously deceased on the floor. He describes killing her and then using contractor bags to put their bodies in in the basement of that house. The bodies were completely covered, and they were underneath a lot of debris that I piled on top of them. Like wood and trash. Someone like Israel Keyes, they don't have any feeling for another human being. It's a way of looking at another human being as an object or a tool to further or advance what it is that I want to do. He's kidnapping, raping, and murdering, and he tells it as if he's gone to the grocery store. I think he knows he's doing that. I think that he likes to just sit there in a way and perhaps get some sense of delight by telling these horrific stories in such a casual in a casual way, knowing that he's likely shocking the investigators. When we're trying to make progress, life's curveballs often feel like one step forward and two steps back. A Chime checking account makes financial progress easier with features like fee-free overdraft up to $200 or getting paid up to two days early with direct deposit.

Join millions of Chime members who are working on financial progress. There are no monthly fees and no maintenance fees. Get spotted on debit credit purchases and cash withdrawals, and you'll be building credit using your own money. You'll have access to more than 50,000 fee-free ATMs. To date, Chime has spotted members over $30 billion. Friends give Friends a boost. Eligible members get complementary boosts to temporarily increase a friend's SpotMe limit. When you give a boost, they can boost you back to temporarily raise your limit. Here's how it works. Set up a direct deposit in your Chime account. After a qualifying direct deposit of $200 or more, Chime will notify you to enroll in SpotMe. With an activated debit card, Chime will to spot you up to $200 when you exceed your balance. Your next deposit is applied to your negative balance. Chime never charges fees or interest for using SpotMe. Make progress towards a better financial future with Chime. Open your account in two minutes at chime. Com/20. That's chime. Com/twenty. Chime. Feels like progress. Banking services and debit card provided by Bancorp, NA or Stridebank NA members FDIC. Spotme eligibility requirements and overdraft limits apply.

Boots are available to eligible Chime members enrolled in SpotMe. And are subject to monthly limits. Timing depends on submission of payment file. Fees apply at out-of-network ATMs. The IRS is the most powerful collection agency in the world, and with the April 15th deadline fast approaching, enforcement is in full swing. If you have back taxes or unfiled returns, time is running out. Waiting isn't just risky, it could cost you big. Let the experts at Tax Network USA handle it all for you. Take control before the IRS does. The experts at Tax Network USA have helped clients resolve over $1 billion in tax debt using proven strategies that work in your favor, whether you owe $10,000 or $10 million. Why wait? Our top attorneys and negotiators can stop IRS harassment, protect your assets, and get you the best possible resolution. Your first consultation is free. Stop the threatening letters, and the Sleepless Nights. Protect yourself from bank levies and property seizures. April 15th is right around the corner. Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit tnusa. Com/20 today. That's tnusa. Com/t-w-e-n-t-y. The IRS won't wait. Neither should you. Hey, Morrisey. Hey, Mary. It's Frank Ruso, Jeff Bell, and Israel Keyes here.

We're calling from in Greece. Okay, thank you. I'm here in my office in Vermont with Lieutenant George Murdie, who is in charge of the courier investigation for the Essex Police Department. Do you mind if I ask you about why Vermont and why Essex Junction? It just seems off the beat path from the areas you've been to. Well, off the beaten path, that's what I like to do. What we discovered was that the farmhouse in which Israel killed the couriers and disposed of their bodies had been demolished. To find out that the farmhouse had been demolished, that was just another blow to the investigation. Police dig up a demolished home on Route 15 in Essex, looking for clues. I was able to actually contact the guy that tore the house down. He said, Well, there were some trash bags over in the corner in the basement, and there was a terrible the aroma of death emanating from there. I mean, if you go into an old farmhouse and smell something dead, that's not really that unusual. I figured as long as it passed, like someone went into the basement and looked around a little bit, they wouldn't be that suspicious of something smelling dead.

They sent a cadaver dog into the foundation to see what would happen. And darn if the dog didn't go over an alert right where the excavator said those bags were. Everything had been taken away, and it had gone up to the one dump that we have in the state of Vermont, which is up in Coventry. So what is the deal with the couriers as far as the investigation? I mean, where are they at? The people back east? They're still digging. I mean, they haven't found the bodies yet. You're kidding. You sure they have the right house? Well, the house was demolished. The stuff was carved away. When they did the demolition, they were digging everything out. Wow. That is crazy. I'm just amazed that if they actually When they dumped the remains into a dump truck, nobody noticed that. There's a new twist in the search for Bill and Lorraine Currier. They vanished in Essex last June. Now, investigators are digging through tons of trash at the landfill in Coventry. This is what's known as the Coventry landfill. I haven't been back here since the day the search ended. Every morning we would gather, there was a picture of Bill and Lorraine that was in that tent.

Every time you walked through it, that photo was always there. That was done with intentionality to remind all of us who it was we were searching for. Waves of us would line up and go through with rakes and pics and shovels through all of the debris. It just was like that hour after hour, day after day. The smells are horrific. There's sharp things everywhere. You have to wear a ton of protective gear in June and July in Vermont. It's probably the most grueling effort that I ever made as a crime scene investigator. We had no bodies at the time, and we had to give closure to the investigation. But I will say a closure to the family outweighed the closure to the investigation. Now you have a family on the other side of this that's living a tortured existence that they just want to have their loved ones back. 11 weeks, 178 agents, folks from the FBI, Special Search and Hazmat teams, looking through 10,000 tons of trash. Hundreds of boots, rakes, and a million dollars later, no remains of the couriers. Bill and Lorraine, they were together since high school. They were so connected and so much in love with each other.

You never saw one without the other. I can see them up in heaven. I just see them happy, and they don't have pain. They don't I feel the pain of what happened to them. It's all wiped clean. At this point now, we have Samantha Koenig and the couriers. So now we know we have three victims of Israel Keyes that he has admitted to killing. They are drastically different when you compare them. Now you have two genders. You have three individuals that are just vastly different in age, even different locations geographically. And so now we know that Israel Keyes is a serial killer. So in order to begin putting together possible other victims, Kat Nelson at the FBI begins compiling a timeline of Keyes' travels and then looking in and around those areas at missing persons. So this timeline focused mostly on his travel. So you'll see more records here that have to do with airline, hotel, car rentals, the toll roads that we were able to track him on. We have him traveling to just multiple places across the United States. Sometimes he's by himself, sometimes he's with other companions. He's all over the United States.

He's all over Canada, Mexico. It's fairly obvious there were other victims. And what can we do to solve unsolved murders, get closures to families, and find out the breadth of what he's done? This is the area that we need to concentrate on looking for missing people because he could have driven from Manchester New Hampshire's airport to any of these areas. The strategy at this point is to continue to get him to talk, to follow up. It's going to be a very long process. I've known since I was 14 that there were things that I thought were normal and that were okay, that nobody else seems to think we're normal and okay. So that's when I just started being a loner. Where were you living at that age? In Colville. Colville, okay. Out, out of the woods. I knew I'd be in for that area. We're pretty close to where Israel grew up. We're about a mile from the paved road, about 20 miles from the nearest town of any size. So it's very secluded, very rural, very remote. Keyes grew up in Colville, Washington, in a very ultra-religious, conservative type home. They belong to a pretty extreme community.

Part of that was almost like a white socialist type of thing. It did seem to be more on the fringe. We're right on the edge of Colville National Forest, so this is pretty wild. I think as Israel grew older and he started experimenting with some his more violent tendencies. A million miles of Calvill National Forest provide a lot of area where he could just disappear into the woods and dissect animals and do some pretty disgusting things. The Quays lived up the side of a mountain. They lived in a really small shack-like house. Wasn't very big, and so no electricity, no running water. Then as the the children grew older, they went out and either slept in tents or Israel put together a ramshackle structure of his own on the property. He never had a social security number. He was homeschooled entirely, quite removed from society. There was not a lot of social interaction, especially when he was younger, outside of his family. My wife, Desirey, and I chose to chart a different course for our family. We were raised in Christian identity. That belief system is a combination of more evangelical Christianity and what would be considered white supremacist beliefs.

Anyone outside of their group of like-minded believers was considered the enemy. They were either directly influenced by the media or the powers that be, or they couldn't be trusted. They wouldn't trust doctors, they wouldn't trust lawyers, absolutely no school teachers or anything like that because they were all viewed as being a part of that system. A lot of the families would gather in a a large community building, and that's where I met the Keyes family. And Israel was just a teenager, camo pants and big old knife on his side, which was totally normal for how I was raised. But Israel was really standoffish. He was really quiet. He was creepy. His father, Jeff, was very domineering. His dad was very strict. I don't think he had a very good relationship with him. Women and children were viewed less than human. They were property They were very browbeaten and subjugated. When you look at the core things that a child should have, that wasn't the case with the Keyes family because of the patriarchal bent. The dad needed to get everything good, and and the wife and the kids took what was left. Israel's mom was a littler woman, always wearing long dresses.

Everyone always wore long dresses because that's all you were allowed to wear. And his mother was very, very cowy. Didn't really speak to people very much. From what I observed in the Keyes family, I don't see how Israel could have really been raised with much regard for women. If you look at it from a perspective of the trauma or the damage that he undoubtedly received, driving him to who he was, I believe he was acting out some of that basic programming. As he began to pursue some of his more narcissistic and violent tendencies, he just built upon that worldview in order to hurt people and worse. A lot of the boys and/or men that I was around, they were anti-government, they were militant, they were armed at all times. There were clan members, there were skinheads that frequented around the periphery. But Israel was even stranger. When I was 14, there was a cat of ours that was always getting into the trash. It was my sister's cat. I told her, If that cat gets into the trash again, I'm going to kill it. We all went up in the woods and I had the cat with me.

I took a piece of parachute cord and tied it to this tree, and I shot it in the stomach. It ran around and around the tree, and then crashed into the tree and then started vomiting. I laughed a little, I think. But then I looked over at everybody else, and the kid who was about my age was with me. He was throwing up. He was really traumatized, I guess you would say. He recognized he had no emotion on that. It was funny to him. There were definitely signs there from a very, very early age. He was setting fires, he was torturing animals. During that time, he was breaking into houses and stealing guns. He already had a fascination with guns, and he was stealing things. Learning about some of the behaviors of Keyes early in his life, such as the torture of an animal, it's important to note that there are people that have these type of tendencies who grow up and never act on them. And what makes that difference? That's the million dollar question. Now streaming on Hulu. It's a serial killer case. He's the domer you've never heard of. I definitely felt the presence of people.

But did he act alone? Now, finally. Not many people live to tell about their involvement with a serial killer. The one man who helped break the case. Never before a face-to-face interview with the camera. Why now? Let me ask you, what do you think? Am I the evil culprit, the accomplice? I'd like to know how the audience views me. The Fox Hollow murders, playground of a serial killer, now streaming on Hulu. I'm Special Agent Ted Hallow with the FBI. On March 29th of 2012, Special Agent Jolene Godin called me up and said that they were working on the Samantha Koenig disappearance and that they had made an arrest. So you're on your way in. And that this individual was Israel Keyes, My partner at the time was Special Agent Colleen Sanders. I got connected to the Israel Keyes case very early on. Our initial assignment was to really delve into the time frame that Israel Keyes lived in Washington State. We would listen to the interviews of Israel Keyes, usually in the morning, because some of the topics are just so dark and grim. You don't want to go to bed with that in your head.

At one point during our interviews with Israel, he makes a comment after his daughter was born in October of 2001, he didn't want to do anything that messed with kids. Something changed in the way I thought, and I didn't want to do anything that would mess with kids or whatever. It left us wondering, well, does that mean that he would do something prior to that point that messed with kids? 12-year-old Julie Harris has been on missing person posters since her disappearance last March. Julie Harris It was a big media story at the time in rural Colville, Washington, and that was right where Israel was growing up. When you were living in Colville, do you remember the case where Julie Teres, she was a double amputee, went missing? '96? Yeah. She lived, I think, pretty close to you, and she went missing. I remember the name. It was one of those interesting things. He He acknowledged that he had heard about her murder, but he denied that he had anything to do with it. I was working construction at the time, so I would hear stuff, but I never took a personal interest in it. Very peaceful.

And the deer come through here a lot. But yeah, that's where she was. Julie had the personality that I dream of all the time. I try to be happy for everybody because that's what she did. If you're happy, people will be happy. When she was 23 months old, she was diagnosed with amingocoxemia meningitis, and it was just in her bloodstream. What happened was the blood got so poisoned on her feet, it turned a gangrene. She was not handicapped. She is handicapable. Oh, my goodness. The first time I met Julie, I think it was in the lunch line. I was a loner, and me and her just clicked. No judgment. We were both wild, crazy kids. Julie has been my big sister forever. She was my big sister that I took care of. Took care of her, and she took care of me. I knew she liked to swim. Every day that the pool was open, she was in there with me. That's where she felt her freeest. There was no gravity to hold her down. We would laugh and play and just be really innocent kids. She absolutely loved it. Summer of '95, I was 12 turning 13.

Me and Jolie hung out at the pool every time we had lessons. We'd hang out in front of the fence and wait for your ride home. We were walking through here, and I turned and noticed this kid sitting on the swing set. He's slowly rocking back and forth on the swing, staring at us. I had no idea who the boy was. He was 17 or older. There was something not right. He got so close, I could see the brown slits in his eyes. He starts saying how cute Jilly was. It just made me feel uncomfortable because he was an older boy that was hitting on little girls. Jilly Julie was flattered about a boy paying attention to her. She gave him her phone number. I felt something bad coming for her, but I couldn't place it. March third of '96, Julie was supposed to get a ride from these church people that lived up the road. About eight o'clock in the morning, she went outside to wait on the porch. They never picked her up. She wasn't there. So sometime between 7: 30 and 8: 30 is when she disappeared. Like poof, gone. I rode my bike almost every inch of Calvo looking for Julie, all the way up to the mountains at the cross.

Detectives found her two artificial limbs on the shore of the Calville River just last week. Investigators all weekend were sifting through the dirt, looking for more evidence, but so far, they've turned up no suspects. Her backpack and lakes were found about 10 miles from her home. It was a dark moment. What I seen that looked like a skull was laying right down there. On Saturday, children playing in these woods found the skeleton of a girl. The autopsy said the bones made it look like she had a rough time before she died, so they're considering it murder. Everybody's waiting for an arrest. Everybody's waiting to find out who did it, and it's just dead end. Until Israel Keyes came up as a serial killer, I started looking him up. I started seeing his pictures. And it dawned on me he was the boy at the pool the summer before she went missing. When I first seen a picture of Israel Keyes, I got stomach ache. I was all in nerves. And then I remember Loretta telling me that this boy asked for Julie's phone number at the pool, and it was Israel. Julie could have been his first.

The police need to find out. They need to do the investigation. I need to know what happened to my daughter. It would have been nice to have been able to talk about Julie Harris, but he was clearly not going to do that at that point. I have no reason to tell you more information. The things I've done, I don't feel bad about them, and I didn't do them because I felt I had no other choice. I did them for myself, so it's better actually for me to keep them to myself because they're mine. When Keyes was 20, he joined the United States Army. This is a guy who was raised off the grid. He had no social security number. He had never been to a school. He was a home birth. He has zero proof on paper that he is who he says he is. And he walks into a recruiting office on the East Coast. He says, I want to join the army. And they take him. Keyes spent, I think, three years in the army. We learned that he was, for all intents and purposes, a really good soldier. He was a good marksman.

He came in with survival skills and a level of fitness that probably put him ahead of the game. The army provided a learning opportunity to Keyes to learn how to interact and get along with, at least to a fairly normal degree, with other individuals. It was during During this time in the military, 1998 to 2001, was really a time for him where he was trying to figure out who he was and what he was doing. There's just a lot of stuff that happened when I was in the army that changed my perspective on things. It just really changed my perspective on the big picture and made me realize that if that was what I wanted to do, then I should just do it. If you wanted to kill somebody. Yeah. Because all the stuff I had been so concerned about before, it didn't really matter that much. When I was in the army, I was in Egypt, and there was that time when we went to Tel Aviv. There was a girl that I met She was pretty young. It was from a Norwegian exchange student or something. We were hanging out and stuff, and she told me where her room was.

I did lose control a little bit as things progressed, and I wouldn't say that was an outright rape. That's when I realized that if I was going to do that stuff, it had to just be complete strangers. It couldn't be anyone who knew me. Just realized that if I kept doing stuff like that, it was only a matter of time before I got caught. The time I spent with Israel Keyes, he was very nice to be around, but he had different, I won't say personalities, but he came across as different ways to me. I was a specialist in Alpha Company, 1. 5 Infantry, and I spent four years in Fort Louis, Washington, with Israel Keyes. I would give Israel Keyes like 20 bucks. We would go cut wood He liked talking about banks and bank robberies. I entertained that thought with him and talked about that. It went to some darker stuff later. Some of the things that he said to the men that he was associated with in the army may have been indications of what his fantasies were. He switched over to talking about kill kits and running around in and doing things that I was uncomfortable with talking about.

He talked about hiding a kit in a place that he wanted to hurt someone. He would go out and bury these kill kits so that they were ready for him to use whenever he felt the time was right for him to go out and commit a homicide. And these were five-gallon Home Depot bags that he filled with zip ties and duct tape and guns and ammunition and cash because he needed to not leave a paper trail. He buried kill kits all over the continental United States. He wanted to backtrack and go to places of the country and make a trail that would be difficult to trace where he's been. He's definitely talked about the hunt, how the urge would come about him, and then he would plan a trip and a homicide would happen. It was a hunt for him, a hunt for that perfect situation. I don't think I know a 10th of what Israel Keyes was or who he was. He was very guarded, and he told stories and lies. Even to this day, the stories I heard don't match up to what the FBI has mentioned. Keyes was incarcerated at the Anchorage Correctional Complex, charged with the death of Samantha Koenig.

Keyes has been in custody for a little over two months. The May 23rd hearing was an ordinary hearing that's very common in criminal cases. It was just a typical hearing that we have in order to set the stage and establish a timeline for the rest of the criminal case leading up to trial. Security was always paramount when we were transporting Keyes He's obviously a very dangerous person. General Keyes was walking in with the federal marshals. He was bound, shackled. It's minding you something that you see from a movie. It was a pretty packed gallery at that point between media. Friends and family of Samantha Konings were there. I was at most of the court hearings because I wanted to show my support for my sister. I remember trying to keep my composure because my mom did not give him the satisfaction of seeing you cry. Keyes is sitting at the defendants table and keeps glancing back towards the door that exits a courtroom. There was a female in turn sitting right there by the door. I noticed Israel was staring found this young, attractive female, six or seven seats over to my right, and I kept watching him watch her.

We didn't know what was going on, but he was just deadlocked on her. Made me very uncomfortable. Jeff actually went to go sit in front of her to keep keys from staring at her. He would have to look at me and not her. All rise. The judge comes in The hearing begins. It's filed shortly after the court issues the order in this manner setting today's hearing. Our position is that at this particular juncture, we're not I just see him flying out of his seat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, This is Deborah Roberts. Join us next week for the chilling conclusion of Wild Crime: Eleven Skulls. Wild Crime is a production of lone Wolf Media for ABC News Studios. You can find all four seasons of Wild Crime streaming on Hulu. And of course, while you're there, you can also find episodes of 2020. Thanks for listening.