Transcript of The Wyrick Family Haunting

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Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash.

And I'm Elina.

This is morbid. The amount of times that I almost say I'm Elaina.

I'm like, hello.

I love it. It's so rainy today, so we're like, goofbally. It is. And I was saying, I got such a good sleep last night, and I don't think that's good for me. You can tell me that sleep is good for me. I disagree. I perform so much better when I'm on less sleep.

Yeah. No, it is weird. I wake up easier when I don't have as much sleep.

Oh, I know. This morning, I could not I woke up because last night I went to sleep. I put my ear ear plugs in because it was so freaking windy and I have reads. So they were blowing on my window all night.

And you're enjoying that now?

Oh, I'm enjoying that. And please know when I put in my ear buds, my little ear plugs, I think of you. I say, I know these days are numbered.

They're numbered.

Not that I'm pregnant to the one fucking person who asked.

But yeah, again, I say, don't ever fucking ask that question again. Just don't. I'm just bloated, okay? I'll say that every single episode. Don't ever ask someone that question. But moving on.

Anyway. But yeah, I slept really great last night, and I'm not better for it.

I actually slept really great last night, and I also am not better for it because I have a slight headache all All day. Oh, no. All day.

It's just been the memory. I have a slight headache all day. All day.

I've had one. I just took Xedrin. I've been drinking water.

Did you eat lunch, though?

No, I just grazed. Did you eat breakfast? No, I did.

That's why you have a headache.

Shit.

That's the reason. Have you had any water?

Yeah. Oh, I've been drinking water. I just refilled this for the third time. Okay. Water has been my friend. I'm not like, I just keep forgetting to have full meals. I know. Lately. Crazy girl. She's been busy. Don't do that, though. I'm just a grazer, so I get in the habit of just picking throughout the day.

I get grazing for lunch. But you got to eat a brecky. I love a breakfast.

I know. I think I just got out of my head this morning.

I prepped some pumpkin pie chia seed pudding for the week. Shit, slapped.

Slappity slap, slapped.

Slapped. That sounds good. We're approaching fall. We're in fall. We're approaching winter.

I was going to say we are dead in fall. Shut up.

Yeah, I slept it. I'm not better for it. But now I'm making bread again. I revitalized my little sarda. So I'm well-fed.

Yeah, I like that. I was going to say my aura ring was like, I got a good sleep score last night for the first time in months. And I think my aura is like, it literally was like, wow, great sleep score. And then it was like, calm down still. It was literally like, don't get too excited. It was like, I had one good sleep. Stick to this. My readiness was like, yeah, this is good, but don't go crazy, girl. It was literally like, don't you think that this is going to happen all the time?

Well, you got to have a few nights of it before you go crazy.

It was funny. It was literally like, don't be too It was like, hey, what the fuck? Way to ground me, aura ring.

It does humble you sometimes. It does. I love my Aura Ring. I know. And this is not an ad. No. But I love mine, too. I got you onto it. And there's this thing where you can connect with other people, but I refuse to connect with you because we We'll get way too competitive.

It'll become a competition.

Even though we're not connected, we're like, what's your sleep score last minute? Mine's better.

What's your resilience? John has one, too. And his was two points above mine this morning. And I was like, fuck you.

Yeah.

Fuck you and your two points.

It makes you want to fist fight someone.

Yeah, I get it. He got the crown. It gives you a little crown if you're at optimal. And I didn't get the crown because I was 84. I think you have to be 85.

Oh, that makes sense. Drew is like a Apple Watch guy. And now that we have Dolo, he gets so... He's like, I walked seven miles today.

And you're like, I didn't.

Like, shut up. Shut up. Don't say that to me. Don't.

Because I don't do it.

I don't do it. I don't be walking that much.

I know. I got to get off my ass.

I need to do more Hot Girl walks. You know that they say that sitting is the new smoking? I believe it. And I did a lot of smoking back in the day, so I can't be continuing to sit and and smoke.

I just want to get up and enjoy the fall weather.

I know. I mean, not today. Or the next day.

We're in the middle of like a nor Easter here in Massachusetts. But I...

One thing about me, though, I love a nor Easter.

Oh, One of my kids said, There's a hundred % chance of a thunderstorm today. And I said, I love you so much.

Thank you for sharing that information with me. You know what? They're disappointing because I haven't heard one fucking clap of thunder.

Day isn't over yet.

Big, big truce.

It's only the afternoon.

I was going to say big facts, and I said big truce.

Big, big truce, big facts. Big feelings, big things. All right.

I think we've talked enough.

I think we have because this has been absolute nonsense.

People are like, hey, guys, are you drunk? No.

We had a more unhinged conversation before we pressed record.

Yeah, that will not see the light of day. That's not for the listener.

No, it's not.

I don't even remember what we said, honestly. I do.

I won't be sharing it.

It was about a couple of things. Anyway.

It was about a couple of things.

I'm going to talk about a couple of things. Just kidding. Hell, yeah, you are. It's really one thing, and it's a haunting. A haunting? I say, I say. It's the Wyrick family haunting. Oh, I don't know the Wyricks. I didn't either. Shout out to Dave. He knew of them. And David always knows. And he said, Let's do this case, Ash. And I said, Okay. Okay, Dev. Okay, Dev. I'll do whatever you say. I texted him. I said, Boy, this was a good one.

And did he say indeed?

Let's see.

What did Dave say?

I'll tell you exactly what he said. Maybe not exactly, but I'll tell you what he said. He said, That story spins out of control eventually, but early on, it's pretty creepy.

I love that he's like, It goes off the rails, but good luck.

It does in a fun way,. All right, so let's talk about it. Throughout the summer of 1989, Andy and Lisa Wyrick, they had spent months looking for a nice, affordable house for themselves and their three-year-old daughter, Heidi. And they were looking in Harris County, Georgia. They were a young family. They were living on a single, pretty modest income. So everything that they had seen so far felt very out of reach. It was not going to be doable. Even in the smaller rural parts of the county, it just wasn't working out. Rural, rural. It was so hard to say. So they started to feel like the situation was pretty hopeless. They were like, I don't know about this. But then in the fall, they were shown a small ranch house in Ellersley, which is in central West Georgia. It's like an unincorporated town. Oh, okay. I didn't know what that was. So I googled it. It means they don't have a town government. Yeah. They're just reckless. Yeah. There's like no- Lawless. That means there's no post office. There's no police officers. Yeah.

They don't care. Fuck.

It's a little bit scary.

They say we're unincorporated.

They are. They're off the grid.

They're like kids incorporated.

Exactly. So according to the realtor, the people who lived there before had abandoned the house a few months earlier.

I feel like that's a red flag.

The biggest. So obviously the bank foreclosed it. And that was why it was being offered at such a low price.

Yeah.

So they didn't want to waste the only realistic opportunity that had come across their plate in months. So Andy and Lisa, they talked it over and they decided to put in an offer. I get it. Their young family, they need a place to live.

Roll the dice.

Yeah. So luckily, their offer was accepted a few days later. And Andy said, I was happy. I wasn't but 21 years old, had bought my own house. I thought I was really something.

Hell, yeah, Andy, you were really something.

You were. That's crazy. I wasn't 21 when I bought my house.

No. So go, go, Andy.

Good on you, Andy and Lisa. So for a young couple just starting out in life, their new house was everything that they wanted it to be. The only downside was that the neighborhood was made up of a lot of older couples, so there wasn't really any kids for Heidi to play with, which sucked.

That's like a double-edged sword because it's like, yeah, there's no kids to play with, but old people as your neighbors. Oh, hell, yeah. A plus.

Like their neighborhood watch. Depending on the brand of old people. That's true. You get really friendly old people who have candy in their purse and will wave at you when you cross the road and stuff, or you got really grumpy old people that don't like what you do with your house and they yell at you about it.

That's true. Yeah. But fuck those old people.

I was like, do you have anything else to say? Do you have anything else to say on the old people topic?

I just said valid.

You said valid. Good point.

I just really like that old people are always in everybody's business.

I lived in an old people neighborhood once, and it was great. Yeah. Everybody mind their own business.

I highly recommend it.

Yeah, there was a really good member of the Halloween party.

Yeah. That's all I'm thinking about. It was super cute. And the neighborhood watch of it all. Yeah, I love. They're always like, what the fuck What the fuck is that car doing down here? I love that.

That's also just me.

Some of my neighbors are super old. They're just like, they know everything. We got a group chat going on.

I love it. Wow. You have a group chat? Oh, hell, yeah.

My whole neighborhood. We know the second somebody in this neighborhood that doesn't belong, we're like, who the fuck is that car? And everybody's like, oh, that's my cousin. Don't worry about it.

I'm a little too antisocial for a group chat neighborhood.

Oh, it's not a neighborhood group chat. The best part is about this group chat is we all are that way. So it's literally like, what the fuck is that car doing there? And somebody's like, oh, this person's having a party. Don't worry about it. And it's like, cool.

That's it. That's it.

But I love what I'll get the like, what car is that? I'm like, yeah, yeah. What car is that?

I love it. I love it. Well, okay. So this neighborhood was full of old people. So there's Nobody for Heidi to play with, which stunk. That sucks. And it meant that Heidi spent a lot more time playing by herself than her parents would have preferred. But she seemed happy enough. She didn't really seem to mind being alone. So they didn't really think about it that much. One afternoon, though, a few months after moving into the new house, Heidi asked her mom if she could go outside and play. And Lisa was like, Yeah, totally. It's the '90s, stay in the yard. And then from where she was standing at the kitchen sink, Lisa could see that Heidi was sitting on the grass and it looked like she was just having a tea party with her dolls. And a few minutes passed and when When Lisa looked up again, Heidi had appeared beside her in the kitchen, and she asked if it was okay if she went on the swings to play with the man.

No. No? Yeah. The answer is no.

So the question caused Lisa's stomach to drop immediately, and she was like, What now? What, ma'am? Years later, she told a reporter that her immediate thought was obviously that somebody was trying to kidnap her daughter. So she looked out the window toward the swing that was hanging from an old tree, but she didn't see anybody. But she was concerned that now somebody was lurking outside. So she told her daughter to stay put and she went into full mama bear mode, grabbed a huge knife from the kitchen drawer, and slowly walked out into the yard just frantically looking in every direction for who she needed to stab. Yeah.

Because if some man is asking my child to play on the swings, I am going to stab them.

Yeah, that's fair. That's it. It's called self defense. Look it up.

It's called being a mom.

This isn't professional advice. Yeah, no. It's mom advice.

It's just what I'm going to do. I don't give a shit what you do. I'm doing that. I would, yeah. You're a man who asked my child to do anything, I'm going to stab you.

Yeah, I love that. Put that on a shirt. That's it. She's out there. She's like, looking around for who to stab. It was only when a neighbor passing in the car, stopped to ask if she was okay, that she realized how bizarre she looked.

Just creeping around with a knife.

Exactly. That's awesome. She was like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm fine. She didn't find anybody, so she just went back inside. In the kitchen, she called her husband and was like, Hey, you need to get the fuck home immediately. She was like, I didn't see whoever it was that approached Heidi, but a man approached her and asked her to play. So please get home ASAP. She waited and she sat Heidi down and talked to her about the importance of not talking to strangers, not playing with strangers.

Good parenting.

Yeah. And then about an hour later, a half hour later, Andy got home and Lisa filled him in again on what happened. He shared his wife's concerns and he grabbed a pistol from the gun cabinet and also went out into the yard.

Honestly, just parenting up in these parts. Yeah.

He searched the entire property. He even went as far as to go in his truck and drive around the neighborhood. Love these people. Like, he was like, I will find who asked my daughter to play. Yeah. He said, later he said, I didn't know if he was trying to lure her off, abduct her, kidnapper, because you don't know about people these days. No, you don't. And he said, But I never did find nothing.

No. That was in the early '90s. If he didn't know about people in those days. Welcome to 2025, my friend. You really don't know about people these days.

Exactly. I love that they just went full send, though.

Yeah, as you should. Let Let that person know you don't ask my kid to do anything or I'm coming at you with a pistol and a knife.

Yeah. And my truck. Yeah. And my truck. And my truck. So as the weeks passed and Lisa and Andy's concerns subsided a bit, they let Heidi go outside and play by herself again in the yard. It was the '90s. Not long after she...

We would have done that, but...

You know. Not long after she started talking about a new man, and she called him Mr. Gordy. According to Heidi, Mr. Gordy was a very nice older man who would come by the house whenever she outside. She said he was average height, gray hair, and he always wore a dark suit. Okay. So the mention of Mr. Gordy raised her parents' concerns about predators, obviously. Indeed. But Heidi didn't seem afraid of this man. She actually seemed pretty enthusiastic about having a new friend, and she just would talk about Mr. Gordy constantly. Lisa said, She would tell me that Mr. Gordy had come to her when she was in bed and talked to her. He would sit on the bed and just sit there and talk to her.

Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay. I mean, he seems like a nice guy.

It seems friendly, yeah.

Because obviously, he's not real. Where is he? I would assume. I don't know. Unless he's coming in a room at night.

I don't know. So in the days that followed, she She checked it. Lisa checked in with neighbors and asked if the name and description sounded familiar, but none of her neighbors knew anybody by that name, and they hadn't seen any unfamiliar old men in the area.

Mr. Gordie's around.

Yeah, exactly. So she was like, All right, maybe this is like an imaginary friend Yeah, like skeleton. Yeah, like skeleton, Luke Skywalker, Naughty Martha. So whenever either of her parents would ask where Mr. Gordy lived, Heidi would point to the sky and say, Up there. Oh, yeah. Okay. Still Lisa- This is the hard part of parenting. I know. This is the shit I'm not looking forward to.

When you really got to keep it together and be like, Cool. Awesome. I am not terrified at all. Yeah.

Well, that's the thing. Lisa wasn't entirely convinced that there was nothing to be worried about. So she stayed vigilant. She said, after she I described him, I kept my eye on her a lot, a lot more than I normally would have. Good for them.

Good parenting. Yeah.

So as time passed, Mr. Gordy just was a regular fixture in the house. Heidi would bring up the subject of her friend on a daily basis. They even would humor her when she brought him up. They'd set an extra plate at lunch for Mr. Gordy.

That's nice. It is.

Lisa said, I didn't see any harm in having an imaginary friend, especially when she didn't have anybody else to play with. But privately, she did start to wonder if it was healthy for Heidi to so consumed by somebody who wasn't real.

There's a fine line.

That's the thing. I think they were specifically worried because she didn't really... She's three, so she's not in... I don't know if she was in preschool or daycare, really.

It doesn't sound like it. She's not seeing a ton of other kids right now.

Right. So they're like, Is this okay? So one afternoon, a few months after they moved in, Heidi was playing in the living room alone when she heard a faint knocking at the door. And she jumped up, ran over, and she opened the door to find a man she didn't recognize standing before her. She said he seemed confused and upset and that his shirt was covered in blood. Oh. And so she asked him who he was, and she thought he said that his name was Khan. And she was like, Are you hurt? Do you need help? But he didn't respond. He just kept staring at her. Close that door. Yeah. Close that door. Close that door.

That's what that door right now. Lock that door. Call someone.

So needless to say, the presence of a bloody man obviously made Heidi uneasy. She's a little girl. Yeah. So she ran into the kitchen and she told her mom there was somebody at the door covered in blood. And at first Lisa thought that she was talking about Mr. Gordy. But when she said, when Heidi was like, no, I don't know this man needs covered in blood, Lisa was like, Oh, okay. Like, her heart sank. Oh, boy. She told a reporter later, Heidi said he was wearing a blood-soaked white T-shirt with a bandage on his arm and that he was younger than Mr. Gordie and scarier. Oh. Yeah. So that feeling of terror that she felt when Heidi first mentioned Mr. Gordie was back, and for the second time in a matter of months, she grabbed a kitchen knife and ran out into the yard. Damn. But again, she found nothing. She said, I felt stupid looking for something that didn't really exist, something that might have been made up. So I just played it off when she would talk about him, and I'd laugh with her and agree with whatever she had to say.

Yeah, because what the fuck do you do at this point?

You go to a child psychologist.

This is sixth sense shit.

That's exactly. That's all I could think of. Yeah. So the weeks went on, and Heidi didn't mention Con again, the bloody man.

I don't like Khan.

Yeah.

It's scary. I was going to say, is there more to Con?

I don't know.

More to come for Khan. Yeah.

Hang. Just hang with that. Hang with that. Okay. So, yeah, she didn't mention him again. Lisa and Andy just assumed whatever it was that had led their daughter to make up such an alarming story had passed. Kids, especially little kids, make up stories all the time. They say weird shit that we are. They do. Like, what are you talking about? Can confirm. So they were like, she just has a really active imagination. Yeah. And she didn't seem scared anymore. She started talking about Mr. Gordy again. So it didn't seem like a ton of reason to be super They were concerned.

Mr. Gordy's back.

They were just like, all right, that was fucking weird. I guess we won't return her just yet.

Yeah.

So initially, the mention of these two fictitious characters by Heidi had scared them, especially since the second of the two was covered in blood. Yeah. But when neither man appeared to frighten her, freak her out in any way. They just decided to follow her lead, not make a big deal of it. Mr. Gordy remained a fixture, but she stopped talking about the bloody man. So they figured this all passed. But that calm in the home was a family disrupted about 14 months after they moved in when Heidi started talking about a new character. Unlike Mr. Gordy, who was her kind companion or con, who his appearance seemed to be a fluke, the description of this new man was vague and Very threatening. She didn't bring him up as often as she talked about Mr. Gordy, but when he did come up, it was very clear to Lisa and Andy that the presence of this guy terrified Heidi. Whoever or whatever she was seeing, she said he would always appear in shadowy parts of the house, wearing all black, that they had a hood pulled tightly around a face that she could never quite describe. Yeah.

And for the first time since they moved in a year earlier, she started to feel unsafe. Like, she was telling her parents she was scared. Oh, I hate that. She started sleeping in their bed for weeks. Oh, no. When they finally could get her back into her room, she wouldn't go to sleep if the lights were turned off. Like, she was genuinely terrified.

Oh, no. Yeah.

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For the first year, she seemed happy to play by herself. Occupying her time with Mr. Gordy, tea parties, that thing. And to Lisa, that seemed like it was enough to compensate for the lack of kids in her life. But after this latest imaginary character, she started to wonder if Heidi's imagination had created more dramatic imaginary figures as a way to get her parents attention. And she was like, I think we need to do something about this. So she was concerned that her daughter didn't have enough of a support system. So she turned to her family. She'd always been really close with her family. And since they moved to the new house in Ellersley, she hadn't been able to see them as much as she would liked or would have liked to. So when the house next door went up for a sale, she called her sister, Joyce, and was like, Hey, there's a house for sale.

Bitch, you want to move in?

What if you moved in next door? Joyce and her husband weren't even in the market for a house at this point, but they were like, It'd be pretty cool to live so close to my sister and my niece. So let's do it. So they bought the house. That's sick. So not long after Joyce and her husband moved in, Joyce started actually noticing that Heidi was talking to herself in the yard a lot. And she was like, That was weird. I was a little bit concerned about that. She asked Lisa about it, and Lisa was like, Yeah, I think she has an imaginary friend. She plays with them all the time. And she explains that Heidi's imaginary friends were actually one of the reasons that she wanted Joyce to move closer in the first place. She was like, maybe she'll rely a little bit on her, a little bit less on her imagination. And they also decided to get Heidi a dog. They got a mixed-breed shepherd that they named Sheba. Oh, Sheba. Sheba. Sheba's here. So one afternoon, about a month after Joyce and her husband moved in, the previous owner of the house, Ms. Kelly.

That's how she's known. Excuse me. They're from the south. So they're like that's like Ms. Kelly.

So she stopped by with some documents related to the house that she thought Joyce might want to hang on to. And Joyce was just flicking through a folder of documents. And she stopped when a signature on Ms. Kelly's mother's estate jumped out at her. Mr. James S. Gordy. Mr. Gordy is real.

Shut the Fuck up.

So immediately she's like, That's weird. I hope he's lovely. Yeah. Well, she's like, That's weird. Like, that's my niece's imaginary friend's name. Like, what are the odds? So she asked Ms. Kelly who the man was, and she's like, What does his name mean here? And Ms. Kelly explained that James Gordie had been a lifelong family friend, and he was actually the executor of her mother's estate when she passed. Oh, shit. Yeah. And he was her business manager, a de facto caretaker of the estate. Wow. So Gordie lived just a few houses down from this family with his wife, Frances, until 1974, when they moved to Columbus. Joyce said, I had this big great knot in my throat because that was the first time we had seen the name. I immediately thought, I I wonder if this is the same Gordie that Heidi has been talking about.

Holy shit.

So Ms. Kelly described Mr. Gordie, and it was like Heidi herself was describing him. He was a kind older man. He had silver-gray hair, and he always wore a dark suit. Holy shit. Which is exactly what Heidi said. So Joyce was like, okay, maybe I can put this mystery of her imaginary friend to rest.

Don't worry. It's just a ghost. That's the thing.

She's like, that's not super calming.

Don't worry. It's not an imaginary friend. It's just a fucking ghost.

Yeah. Well, and also she was like, Is she seeing this guy? He lives a couple of houses down. Maybe he toots by and is like, Oh, hello.

And goes about his day. Oh, yeah. Because is he dead?

Well, she didn't know yet. I didn't even think of that. She didn't know yet. So she was like, Oh, okay. Where does he live now? You said he moved to Columbus. Yeah. And Ms. Kelly looked at her and was like, James Gordy died in 1974.

Okay, good. I'm glad he's not just driving by being like, Hi, little girl. You want to play on a swing? Because I'd be like, That's scary.

Yeah, that'd be pretty.

Somehow that's scarier than him being a ghost.

I'd rather him be a ghost.

Yeah, I I'd much rather that. Yeah. Because I think he's just being like, You got some crazy shit in this house. Exactly. Let me hang around and make sure it's okay.

Let me protect you.

Mr. Gordy. Yeah. For life. I love it.

Yeah. So later that day, Joyce told Lisa what she heard, including the part about Mr. Gordy having died more than two decades earlier. Yeah, about that. And Lisa was like, so my four year old is just hanging out with a ghost? Yeah. I don't know if I believe that.

I don't know.

But she also couldn't help but be curious about the lead that her sister had uncovered. So she went to the library and she started scrolling through the microfeish of the local paper from 1974 until she found James Gordie's obituary. And it was exactly what Joyce had said. He had been a fixture in their small community all his life. He lived just a few houses down and he had died in 1974. James Gordie. So Lisa was like, okay, what's that mean for my family and my daughter that she's hanging out with a ghost?

Like, what the fuck?

But she decided that she needed to tell Heidi who he really was. Like, she wanted to be honest with her. So she sat her down and she said, it's hard to describe the feeling that you have. I said, Heidi, Mr. Gordy has passed away. He's not a real person. And she said, well, mama, he's real to me. He's as real as you are.

Whoa.

Isn't that wild?

He's also adorable.

James Gordy is adorable.

Look at this man. Just imagine him just been like, Hey, hey, girl, I'll push you on the swing.

He was like, I won't let that weird demon guy near you. Yeah, like Mr. Gordy.

I love that she's like, as real as you, mama.

I'd be like, whoa, whoa. But isn't that so cool to think about, though, because she wasn't seeing him as like...

The spooky ghost character. Yeah.

Or like, like, translucent or anything like that. In any way, just like full-bodied, real human. Like, that's crazy to me. That's wild. Right? Yeah. So she was like, she didn't even believe that he was dead. She was like, no. And obviously she doesn't really understand the concept of ghosts yet. She's like, I'm poor. Yeah. She's like, whatever. So after the revelation that Mr. Gordy was probably a ghost, Lisa and Andy were no longer convinced It was a great idea for Heidi to invest a lot in her relationship with him, imaginary or otherwise. Lisa said years later, What do you do when you think your child is seeing something that you can't see? You can't even talk to them and say, Leave her alone. Go back to where you came from. Yeah. So when Heidi learned that Mr. Gordie had died, she actually asked her parents if they could go see his grave. She was like, I don't know if he died. Like, he looks as real as you do. So Lisa was like, okay, maybe it will help the process of her letting him go.

Like, I don't I'm not saying in the parenting handbook that tells you how to handle these situations. So I think they're doing a great job so far. I think so, too.

They're doing what they can do. And she's like, we don't want her to be attached to this man.

But you also don't want to rip the idea away from her. No, you can't. Like, this is hard.

And she's a four-year-old, so she's not really fully understanding life and death. No. So they're like, well, when you die, you go here.

She's like, let me see.

Exactly. So a few days later, Lisa, Heidi, and Lisa's father-in-law drove to the cemetery where Mr. Gordie was buried, and the car had barely come to a stop, and Heidi jumped out of the back seat and ran straight to Mr. Gordie's grave. She was four years old. She could not read, and obviously she hadn't memorized the layout of a fucking cemetery. No. But she knew the exact location of his grave and ran over to it.

I think she's seeing Mr. Gordie, guys. She absolutely is.

I'm like, was he over there?

Like, he's just like, Hey, I'm over here. It makes sense. Hello? Yeah.

So Lisa and Andrew are like, all right, we don't really know how to process this. Like, we're not having a great time out here. No. But at the same time they were like, well, it doesn't seem like she's distressed about it. That's the thing. So they were like, okay, I guess you can hit me.

It seems to be nice.

With Ghosty Gordy.

Yeah. Hey, that's what I do with Skeleton. I was like, he's a nice guy, you say.

But that's so different. Imagine finding out Skeleton's backstory and that he lived a few houses down a few decades ago.

I mean, that'd be crazy.

That would rock your shit.

That would rock my world.

And you'd be like, should you hang out with... Should this grown man Ghost be hanging out with my kid? That's the thing. Like, that's a lot.

That's a lot to take on.

That's a lot to swallow. Yeah. But at the same time, like I just said, she didn't seem stressed. And she also hadn't brought up Khan very much lately or that other dark figure that really scared her. So they were like, I guess this benevolent spirit is a better alternative.

We're just going to go with it.

Yeah. Yeah. But a few months after finding the grave at the cemetery, all of that would change. And Lisa was like, I think that there's something more happening here. Uh-oh. So one night in spring of 1990, Lisa and her niece Kelly were just sitting in the living room at the Wyrick house. They were actually arranging flowers for an upcoming wedding, and they started hearing weird noises in the kitchen. Sheba, their dog, who was just Sheba.

Sheba.

Who was lying on the floor beside the couch, got up and went into the kitchen. So they were like, okay, we're not crazy. Like, Sheeba hears it, too. And a few moments later, Lisa and Kelly could hear Sheeba growling and snarling. So they were like, What the fuck? So they go in the kitchen. They try to see what it is. And there was nothing there. Kelly said, It was like Sheeba could see something, but we couldn't see anything. That was terrifying. A few days later, Sheeba ran away and never came back.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Sheeba ran away, and they literally never saw Sheeba again.

I have two things What's the thing he has to say about that. One, holy shit, that's terrifying. Two, what a shitty dog. What a shit dog. Well, he was a puppy. I can tell you right now, Blanche would fuck an otherworldly creature up for me.

Honestly, I was like, it's a puppy. I know. I was like, it's a puppy.

But that dog just abandoned his family.

Well, whatever he saw must have been really scary. Yeah.

And he said, you guys can deal with it. Good luck.

Like, what the fuck?

How the dog did they get?

He said, Listen, you're the parents. Damn. I know. Dolo last night was literally... We have a front room area in our house, and it's super dark, and she was just barking into the abyss of the dark room for no reason. There was no sound.

Yeah, because she was like, I'll fuck someone up for you.

I fully think she would go crazy.

Blanche, again, I think I've said this before. Blanche will wear John's skin if she could. She loves John so much. She loves John more than anything has ever loved anything.

John leaves and she goes and sits on a chair that faces the driveway and just waits for him to come back.

She wants to wear him. She loves him. If he jokes about poking me or tickling me, she will dive from the other room, come running in, and she will literally, like, growl, bark, jump on him, like, literally go to bite him until he walks away.

Yeah.

And then she's like, Love you. But she's like, Don't fucking touch her. She is my girl. And And if he play tickles the girls, too, she attacks them. She will not let anyone touch us. That bitch, my girl, I mean, Sydney might sleep through the whole thing. She would never leave. Blanche, fuck something up. Sheba. That bitch would never leave me to deal with a ghost. Sheba was a ghost. I'm really upset about Sheba.

I know you're big mad. Because what the fuck? Because what the fuck? Because what the fuck?

Because dogs, in general, will lay down their life for you. Like, they just once hear their family. I'm like, damn.

I mean, like, wow, Sheba. I feel it. That's what I feel like this whatever Sheba saw had to be really bad.

It certainly did.

Like, so, so bad. Yeah. Like, maybe even Blanche and Sydney would like, at least. No. No. I didn't say it, run away and you never see them again. They would tuck their tails. They would. You know? Yeah, I could see that. You never know. For sure. So here's the thing. She was really upset about it. That really sucked that they never saw she again. Yeah, that's a lot. But it was also the first time that somebody other than Heidi had seen or heard something supernatural in the house since they'd moved in like a year and a half earlier. Yeah. And that fact frightened the shit out of Lisa. She was like, I fucking hate this. Yeah. So wanting to learn as much as she could out about the property. She called Ms. Kelly. Ms. Kelly. Yeah. The previous owner of her sister's house, if he didn't remember. And she asked if she would come over for a visit. Ms. Kelly's family had lived in the area for generations. So Lisa was like, if anybody knows anything about what's going on here, it's going to be Ms. Kelly. So Ms. Kelly told her that she'd never seen anything unusual and never had any supernatural experiences on or around the property.

And as far as she knew, no one in her family had either. So she was like, can't really help you there.

Sorry.

But what she did do was she brought a photo album that had pictures of the property that proved to be vital to solving one mystery. Lisa and Heidi were just like, flipping through the album of old photos. And Heidi stopped at one black and white photo, and it showed a group of five men standing in in front of a house that Lisa recognized as her sister's house next door. Heidi pointed to one of the men in the photo and said, That's Khan, the one with the blood on his shirt. What? Like, pointed him out. Ms. Kelly looked at the photo and she was like, Oh, that's my uncle. His name is lawn.

Oh, my God.

That's crazy. That's weird. That's literally crazy. Yeah. His name was lawn Bachelor. And when he was a teenager, he got his arm caught in a cotton gin and it was torn off just below the elbow. And he lived on the property until his death in 1957. What the fuck? So she had literally experienced some residual haunting because he ran next door and knocked on the door, obviously, because Heidi opened the door and he was asking for help. Yeah. And his elbow was bandaged and he was covered in blood. Oh my God. So that's fully a fucking residual haunting.

That's terrifying.

And the fact that she got his name so close.

Yeah.

And it's, I mean, it's a four-year-old or a three-year-old at the time. So she probably just Like, repeated it wrong. Yeah, of course. That's fucking crazy. That's terrifying. Lisa was like, yeah, this is so scary because now two imaginary friends have turned out to be confirmed. Like, that's the thing. She said, just to know the fact that he passed away and had lived on the land scared me to death. Yeah. But it also suggested that maybe there was other entities lurking about the property, including the dark figure that she was absolutely terrified of. Yeah.

Who's that motherfucker? Who's that motherfucker?

And a few nights later, those fears became even more real. So days later, Andy was out of the house, and this one just fucking ruins me. So Andy's not home. Lisa gets out of the shower and she's blow-drying her hair in the bedroom. And Heidi was sitting in her parents' bedroom just like, looking at a book and the bathroom is connected. So at At some point, Heidi stopped looking at the book and she crawled to the end of the bed to get her mom's attention in the bathroom. And Lisa was like, Yeah, what's up? And Heidi goes, Are you sure you won't be scared if I tell you this?

No. I can't promise that, babe.

Lisa was like, Yeah, totally. Like, What's up, girl? Heidi looked her mom dead in the eyes and whispered, There's a man behind you.

I would run out of the house.

We'd be going to Wendy's to get I would need a faux fa faux. I would get that fuck out. I would need a faux fa faux.

I would cry.

I would run out of the home. I don't care in what state of dress I was in. Grab your robe and go.

That would be one of those situations where as a parent, you just sit there. And I I think one single tear just slowly escape my eye. And I would probably just stand there and be like, Yeah? It's real? What are you do? You just like, what? Where is he? It was like when the girls told me about the kids, the people with the scissors. And I said, Where are they? And they said, All around you. And I was like, huh?

You were just standing in the middle of an angry mob of scissor carriers. You got to keep it together.

Because you sit there and you're like, okay, What do I do here? Do I fuck my kid up or do I hold it together and maybe get my ass killed?

I think hold it together and maybe get your ass scissored.

I didn't know what was going to happen.

I think Lisa, she was brave like you.

Yeah, you got to.

But inside, I think she was freaking out.

One hundred %. Yeah. I would want to vomit all over myself.

Well, the thing was, it seemed like figuring out the real identities of Mr. Gordy and lawn opened up a door in the house, and now it seemed like they were just having terrifying experiences on the regular.

So she's like, cool. It's Tuesday. Yeah.

I love Tuesdays. So a few months after Sheba had run away and just a week or two after Heidi was like, hey, there's a man blow-drying your hair. Lisa and her niece. I'm just dying at your The nature of Sheba.

I'm real mad at Sheba.

Fuck Sheba.

Giving dogs a bad name.

So a few weeks after that, Lisa and her niece Kelly had another scary experience. They were sitting in the living room just chatting, and they heard a shuffling sound in the kitchen. And Sheba wasn't there to confirm anything for them.

No, she wasn't.

So both of them looked up in the direction of the dining room table just in time to see one of the chairs swing out from the table and slide toward them from across the floor, stopping from a few feet from where it had been.

That also makes me think that this ghost was just like, Girl, I'm coming to sit. I want to join you.

What are we talking shit about? What are we talking about today?

Yeah, right? I'd be like, You want to just chat? What's going on? So scary.

What do you do? I don't know. Well, and Kelly goes, When you're there in broad daylight and a chair just moves, you don't really have any alternative but to believe that there's something in the house.

What else could that be?

I mean, I have no idea.

That it just swings out from the table and scoots over to you. I'd be like, okay.

I'd be like, Join us? Hey. Question mark.

Do you want something to drink?

Who do you talk shit about? What's going on? What's your after life issue? You got any tea? You got the hot gosse of the after life? Yeah. So after two years in the house, or almost two years in the house, During only which time, like usually Heidi was the one to see anything unusual and like the entities in the house, whatever they were, now they were making their presence known to everybody in the house. And not long after Lisa and Kelly experienced the chair moving on its own, Heidi started to see the dark entity moving around the house again. Except this time she was convinced that it wanted to hurt her.

Oh, I hate that.

One night everybody was asleep and Heidi went into her parents bedroom and woke them up and said the dark man had been in her bedroom and she was terrified. I would want to... You just made me literally shit my pants. I didn't actually shit my pants, but I truly almost shit my pants, Michael. Michael, you know what? You're fired.

I think my aura ring is going to be like, Oh, you died. I think it's going to be like, Oh, R-I-P-U. My heart stopped.

Mine felt like it exploded throughout my body.

It was just like a firework. It just stopped. It was like, Oh, you should be dead. Our music is creepy. It is, especially during this. Also, I'd want to kill that shadow man. I know he's probably already dead, but I would want to bring him back to life so I could kill him again. You want to kill him now. You're in my kids room. I'll fuck your world up, buddy.

Not only was he in her room, this time they saw fresh scratches on her cheek.

It's on site.

They said it literally looked like an animal with claws had swiped at her.

It is on site. I would burn that house to the ground. Oh, I would be out of there.

I would be out of there. Light as a blaze. But also it's like they don't have a ton of money to buy another house. They got this house. They got a good deal on this house.

Because I was going to say, just ask Esther Cox in the last story we did, she burned down a barn and she stayed in jail for a month. It's true.

She had supporters. She did. This was a little more current.

I don't know.

I don't know if the Georgians would take kindly. I don't know about that. They were burning their house down. So this felt like this attack felt like a warning. Yeah. And it was when they were like, yeah, I hear you. That night, they went over to Joyce's house and they stayed there until the next morning. If they hoped that a night away from the house would calm whatever was in Heidi's room the night before, they were wrong. Yeah. The next night, they all die. This is the... I'm like, How are you guys going to sleep in here?

Yeah, no, you got to go somewhere else.

So they go to bed.

You're close to your family. Stay with family.

I know. Andy wakes up in the middle of the night to this burning, intense pain in his side. He said he jumped out of bed and He ran in the bathroom to look in the mirror and he saw three scratches on his side that looked just like the scratches that had been on Heidi's face the night before.

Damn. Yeah.

He said, As soon as I woke up, my side was burning just like fire and I had three claw marks going up my side. I knew that something was doing it, but I didn't know what. I hate that. Hate it so much. He woke up again the next night in the middle of the night, and this time there was even more scratches across his whole body. Lisa said he had them down his back, his legs. These were deep, long gashes, and it went on for several nights.

No.

She's like, How do you go to sleep after that happens even one time?

What are you supposed to do there?

I don't know. I think I'd probably rather sleep in the backyard than in the house.

Yeah, no.

I'd be like, We're camping tonight.

Yeah. I'd be like, We're camping forever.

We live in our car now.

This is what we do now. We're a van fam. Yeah.

So after everything that had happened and everything they learned, Lisa and Andy started to wonder if it was safe for them to stay in the house at all, especially because Heidi was just terrified at all times now. Yeah. But like I said, they're living on limited means. They can't afford to move.

I know. That's the thing. It's not as easy as just like, you can't just pick up and go. You just don't live there anymore.

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Before taking a consequential step of defaulting on their mortgage. They decided to look for somebody who might be able to help them and get the peace and calm in the house again. Yeah. On a trip to the local library, Lisa started looking up organizations and people who studied the Paranormal. One name that jumped out at her was Dr. William Rule. He has played a huge part in the history of paranormal investigation, especially more like modern day investigations. He's a classically trained psychologist, and he's been involved in some of the most high-profile paranormal investigations in the US, including the alleged poltergeist in the home of a Seaford Long Island family and the investigation into the telekinetic abilities of Tina Resh. Oh, yeah. I know. I think we've talked about that case before.

We meant, yeah, we meant.

Not on morbid, but I think you and I have talked about it. Yeah. And she was from Ohio. So he was at the forefront of the field since it started to formalize in the 1950s. So Lisa was like, I feel like there's really nobody better suited to help us. Yeah. So she placed a call to his office. She gave a brief overview of everything that had been happening. And later he said, When Lisa called me, she was definitely upset. It was an unusual case in my experience because Heidi describes somebody she had never met. But then Heidi describes some frightening experiences, followed by the scratches on her and her father. And that's very rare in the type of investigation that I do. But based on everything he heard, he was like, Hell, yeah. I want to, I want to investigate this.

Shit's going down.

And a few weeks later, he was sitting down with the family in their living room in Georgia. Just as he usually did at the start of his investigations, he started by interviewing the members of the family alone and together so that he could get their accounts of what they had seen and heard since moving in and confirmed that everybody was telling the truth. In his experience with working with children, he knew that they obviously had a tendency to make things up and exaggerate, usually without understanding any consequences. And he wanted to make sure that wasn't what was happening here. But he said, When I spoke to Heidi and I spoke to the whole family, they felt evidently sane. So he said, I think some shit was going on here. Yeah.

They don't seem cuckoo.

He said, I think this shit's really happening. Based on the interviews, he came to the conclusion that to Heidi, the entities that she interacted with looked and felt like they were real people. She said she could hear them, she could see them, she could touch them, and they looked to her just like any other adult would look. And that explains why a lot of them didn't really frighten her in the way that, you know, like an entity would. Yeah. Like the dark entity. Or like it might frighten an adult if you saw a dead person. Yeah. So according to Role- Honestly, live people are scarier to me. It depends on the situation. Yeah. But you're not wrong. So according to Role, Heidi was experiencing what he described as place memory events, which is events in people from the past whose energy had been retained in the ether and somehow broke through into Heidi's reality. Obsessed with this. He said she picked up those traces and in her mind constructed those persons like Mr. Gordie. That's what makes this case to me so unique. He said when he showed Heidi a photo array of various older men, she didn't hesitate to identify the one picture of James Gordie that he incorporated into the mix.

So he was like, She was absolutely seeing this man.

Because Mr. Gordy, no offense to Mr. Gordy, he looks like a lot of kind older gentleman.

Yeah, he's like a...

I don't know if I could pick him up or wind up very easily. He's an older white dude. But she's spending so much time with him that she's like, Oh, that's my guy.

Yeah. That's crazy. She's four, too. Yeah, she's literally four years old. He's showing her older men to be like, Do you just think that all old men are Mr. Ordi?

They all have silver hair.

But it's like, no, this is the one, and she knows it. Damn. That's big.

Yeah.

So his theory of place memory is, it's complicated, but essentially he believes that the energy of people and the environment gets stored in the fabric of space and time. I love that. I'm like, this is... I think he's onto something here.

He makes a lot of sense.

He says, When there are major shifts in electromagnetic fields, that energy can break through into the present, and that can cause somebody to literally see a person or place just like it appeared in the past.

That's different than anything we've heard.

It also accounts for deja vu in a weird way. Yeah, a little bit. That's what it made me think of. But he said when Heidi saw those people like Mr. Gordie or Lon in the aftermath of his incident or his accident, William Roll believed that her mind created a narrative around what she was seeing to make sense of what she was seeing. Okay. And in that sense, he explained to her parents that she wasn't technically seeing ghosts, at least not as somebody might typically understand them. She was seeing a representation of something from the past. Whoa. Which is fascinating.

His way of describing it is very fascinating.

It gets even more fascinating.

It makes a lot of sense. It does. It does.

In a weird way.

You're just like, okay.

Well, because you and I say it a lot. I do think that ghosts are made up of energy. I think that's a big part of it. I think it's left because energy can't be destroyed. Created or destroyed. Created or destroyed. Exactly. So it's like, I think there is something in us that is energy.

It's got to go somewhere.

And that's the thing. It's got to continue on and it goes into space and time and the Ether.

This is very Donnie Darko.

It's so Donnie Darko. That's what I was thinking of. Where's Frank? So to further build his case, he and his associates started actually taking scientific measurements of the environment in and around the house. They read electromagnetic fields around the house, and they took temperature readings in all the different rooms. He said the experience in a haunt site includes drops in temperature and sometimes increases in temperature. So among other things, he was particularly interested in Heidi's reports of seeing the dark entity around the house, and she usually saw him in her bedroom. And in that room, he found that there was a source of strong positive ions, particularly in the spot right next to her bed, which is where she would see the dark entity. Oh, okay. So according to him and other paranormal investigators in general, large concentrations of positive ions can have a negative experience on a person's mood and perception, and it can cause us to hallucinate. Whoa. Yeah. And think you see things that aren't there.

I love the science of all this.

Isn't it? It's so cool. Yeah. So after finishing his investigation, he came to the conclusion that it wasn't really ghosts or devils or demons causing the unusual experiences in the house. He said instead, they were experiencing a hallucination caused by the natural environment in and around the house. Okay.

But where did the scratches come from? That's the thing. That's my next question.

We'll get there. He also learned that there was a seismic fault near the property that could also be affecting the energy around the house, and that could be what was causing the experiences in Heidi's room in particular.

Interesting.

So He provided the Y-Ricks with a plausible explanation for why they were seeing what they were seeing, and he hoped that it would give their mind some peace. But Andy and Lisa appreciated the efforts, but they were a little bit unsatisfied because, like you said, the scratches. Andy said, I think Dr. Roll is a smart man. I know what he said has got a lot to do with it, but I don't believe that's all there is to it.

Yeah, because you got to explain the scratches.

That's the thing. He couldn't include the scratches that appeared on Heidi or the scratches appeared on her father. And he was like, yeah, I can't.

I don't know about that. It reminds me when you were saying it's all about the land, essentially. I know I mentioned this before, that the Sylvia Brown of it all. Remember that psychic? They said there's one clip of her where she gets something clearly wrong because she's not a real psychic, in my opinion. She gets something clearly wrong. And this person's like, Yeah, I don't know. Nobody really lived. It's a new house. So that doesn't make sense. Whatever she had said. She goes, Honey, it's the land. When they're just like, So there's no ghost? And he's like, Honey, it's the land. Honey, it's the land. That's his answer for what?

It's the land.

Why is this all happening? Honey, it's the land.

Can you please pull it up?

I'm not sure. That's what she says is, Honey, it's the land. I need to see Sylvia.

Our house is only 10 years old.

Honey, the land.

How old do you think the land is?

Honey, the land. Honey, the land. And then she goes, All land is ancient.

I mean, all right, girl.

Sylvia You're brown, if nothing else, always have an answer. Good for her. She's like, My house is only 10 years old. The land. Honey, the land. The land. The land is fucking old, you know?

Honestly, my house is new and I've had weird ass experiences in my house.

Because, Honey, it's the land.

Did I tell story on the pod already. I don't know. The one where I was like, Is she okay? Oh, yeah. In case I haven't, I'll just say it really quickly. So I had Elaina's kids over.

I just got chilling.

This fucked me up. And it's one of the only haunted experiences I've ever had at my house. But I was like, I don't know if I've told Deb Debs in the pod lab today, so I'm telling Deb Debs.

She's like, What the fuck is this?

And I'm telling you guys, too. So listen up. Listen up. So I had Elaina's kids over for a sleepover, and I went in to check on them because you do that in the night. So I got to check on while they're at my house and I'm like, hella responsible for them. So that's scary. You are. That's scary. I go in and I was tucking the youngest in and she was like, Wimpering in her sleep a little bit. And I was like, Oh, are you having a weird dream? I was like, rubbing her back. And I was sitting on the edge of her bed and it was like a blow-up mattress. So I was like, right near the doorway and it was cracked a little bit. And I heard, Is she okay? And I turned to the point where I literally turned around because I thought it was Drew. And I turned and there was nobody there. But I heard, clear as day, Is she okay?

Which also, what a great ghost. I know. They're like, Is she okay? Is everything good?

I literally have like, chills.

I literally have chills. Whenever you told me that, every time you bring it up, I get chills.

I went to my bedroom and Drew was asleep. It wasn't even possible for him to have said that. I could not calm down. It was like the weirdest feeling.

That's so creepy.

Honey, the land.

Honey, the land.

If you live on really Like super old land.

Like Massachusetts. Honey, the land. Honey, the land.

That should honestly just be Massachusetts.

Welcome to Massachusetts. Honey, the land.

Honey, the land. Put it on the side. Who do we call? That's what we need.

That needs to be some of our merch. It needs to be a Welcome to Massachusetts sign that says, Honey, the land.

How do we make it sound like that on the shirt?

People will know. You can't say, Honey the land. There will be signs. You can't say, Honey the land without saying, Honey the land.

Everyone stops saying it.

I will never, never, I will forever say that.

Look forward to your merch. Okay. So Mr. Roll could not account for the scratches, but Honey the land. As the years went by, the hunting continued. The Wirex were trying to just like, live normal life. But shit was always going down. Several years after they moved into the house. Lisa had a second daughter, Lisa and Andy had a second daughter, Jordan. Oh, congrats. And Lisa, I think she's like a stay at home mom. So that was occupying a lot of her attention. And by the time Heidi entered her teen years, Mr. Gordy was like a faint memory from childhood. She I don't like hanging out with him that much. Bummer. But in 2002, she told a reporter, It's been a while since I've seen Mr. Gordy. I do miss seeing him. I always will. I considered him one of my friends. But unfortunately, while Mr. Gordy and Lon had disappeared from Heidi's life, the dark faceless entity stayed. Oh, hate that. And just menaced her from the shadows whenever he would appear. Yeah. Now, eventually, the phenomenon at the Wyrick house became known to the rest of the residence living in Ellersley. Because the story appeared on Unsolved mysteries.

Oh, hell, yeah. In the fall of 1994.

The original one.

I literally read Unsolved mysteries. I hear that song and I get chills.

Oh, I can immediately... So I just feel it.

I used to watch that with Judy all the time. I used to live with this older lady named Judy, and she was the tits. She was great. We used to watch Unsolved mysteries and law and order and the Red Sox.

I always watched Unsolved mysteries and then immediately watch Rescue 911. And that's why I am who I am now.

I love that. And honestly, Judy is why I am who I am now. So, yeah, unsolved mysteries. But in the interview, Heidi described a lot of the ghosts that she saw around the house, including Mr. Gordian lawn. And she told her aunt that Mr. Gordie informed her a lot of money was buried under Joyce's pecan tree. I don't know if they found it or not.

Guys, we got to find out. Figure it out. We got to find out.

Because can you imagine if they found a lot of money under the pecan tree? Pecan. Do you say pecan or pecan? I don't know.

I was just trying to figure that out. What do I say?

I say pecan. It was a big argument on Halloween baking Championship this year.

I look at that pecan, right? You're like, you do. Like, I know this about you. You say pecan. Did they find the money under Joyce's pecan tree? That's the song of this segment.

Joyce's pecan tree.

It's not going to be a recurring segment. Imagine if it is. If there's another story where we're like, did they find the money under Joyce's pecan tree?

It's not going to be a recurring segment. I don't know. I can't find out. So I guess we We won't put that in. They did. But. So eventually, when the press attention started causing problems for Heidi at school, the family decided to step back from the spotlight. They didn't do any more interviews. That pisses me off. That gave her issues at school. Yeah.

People get it together.

I would want to be her friend, personally.

This That's why we can't have nice things because people ruin it. Yeah, they sure do. You can't just be like, oh, fun. Like, they got to go ruin their experience.

So stepping back from the spotlight was obviously good for Heidi's mental and social health. And it didn't really do much to stop the supernatural activity, though. By the time Jordan was born, it had become a lot more aggressive in nature. In one of the more frightening incidents, Andy and Lisa went out for the night and left Jordan with a babysitter, and the babysitter went to check on Jordan at one point in the night, and she discovered a, ribbon with eight knots tied tightly around Jordan's neck. Yeah. Yup.

Here's my Very cynical question. Did they look into that babysitter?

I don't know.

I hope so. Did we, Cori, check the babysitter?

Probably. They seem like good parents. I'm sure. They do. Lisa literally probably would have grabbed a kitchen knife if she thought it was the babysitter. What the fuck? What the fuck? I don't think it was the babysitter. I think it was the Joosts. What the fuck? Okay. Ghosts. Yeah. As the years passed, the activity continued and it started involving other members of the family. There was a long period where Lisa would regularly hear a growling sound coming from her bed as she and Andy were just trying to fall asleep. And Heidi kept seeing, obviously, that faceless dark entity. And in time, when Jordan got older, she started seeing and hearing spirits, particularly a little girl who she said had been killed in a car accident near the property.

What the fuck? Yeah.

So since the first visit from William Roll in the early '90s, they've continued searching for somebody who can help resolve whatever's going on there. They think there's a demonic infestation in their house. Yeah. And I tend to agree. They turn to Roll on a few more occasions. But because he doesn't believe that they're being haunted and instead believes that the phenomena has to do with Heidi's psychic abilities and the electromagnetic fields, he Like, there's really not a lot I can do to help you.

Oh, no.

So they found some support from their church and a local psychic who shares the family's faith. That individual encouraged the Yirex to rid themselves of the infestation through regular prayer and fasting. I don't believe that fasting is going to do it, but I hope that they find some relief there. But they rely on their Christian support network, and they do different things like they get anointed with oil to try to repel the spirits and expel the demons.

Whatever brings you comfort.

Well, that's the thing. Whatever brings you comfort.

If that brings you comfort and feels like it works, then go forth in comfort.

Yeah. And it makes them feel good. They said it makes them feel empowered to stay in their house. But to date, they still are experiencing paranormal activity in the house. Damn. And that is the story of the Wyrick family hunting.

Holy shit.

Isn't that a crazy one?

I really like this family. I want them to have peace. I do, too.

I really like them.

I genuinely want them to have peace.

I know. As soon as Lisa pulled out a kitchen knife and went out into the backyard, I said, That's my girl.

Oh, I said, That's my girl.

And then Andy started driving around the town and was like, I will fucking find whoever did this. Yeah. I want to hang out with them.

Those are parents right there.

Yeah, exactly.

What? You asked my kid to get on a swing with you? I'll kill you. I'll fucking kill you. Like, those are good parents.

They just are. I just think it's crazy that not one time, but twice, she would literally was like, Oh, yeah, that's Mr. Gordy. And then it was like, Oh, that's It was like, what's your name? Like, Con. And then Khan turned out to be lawn. Like, what are the fucking odds? That's wild. Crazy.

That's a crazy story.

Isn't it? That one was scary. It's genuinely scary.

That one genuinely scared the shit out of me.

Me too. It was freaking me out. And when I was doing it, the Norista was coming.

The Noris.

So my reeds were just bashing against the sides of my windows, and I was home alone. So it was freaking me out. And my cats were acting weird. I hate it. But yeah, that is one of our haunted stories of October, brothers.

Damn. I mean, I thought it was science. Honey, it's the land.

Honey, it's the land. It is. It's the land. But it's not even the land, though, because next door at her sister's house, everything is fine.

That's land, too. It's got its own situation.

But I I feel like everything's fine. It's just good land.

Yeah, that's just good land.

Well, there are good land and bad lands. There are. The bad lands. The bad lands. Damn.

Yeah, I think it's just the house. I think it's a haunted house. Yeah, for sure. And I want them to have peace.

I want them to have peace, but I also want to go to there.

And Lisa and Andy, I think you're doing what you can. And I appreciate that about you.

Hell, yeah. Well, guys, we'll have some more hauntings to come because it's October. So we hope you keep listening.

And we hope you keep it weird.

But not so weird Honey, it's the land.

Honey, it's the land. Honey, it's the land. Honey, the land.

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