Transcript of Risk, Reward, and Royalty: Kevin O’Leary Unplugged

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting episode of Mic Unplugged. And today we are talking to My Blueprint. He's the man who turned discipline into currency and results into legacy. Before the world called him Mr. Wonderful, I called him the Blueprint. Because everything that I teach about leadership, about accountability, about performance, he's a force that made excellence the expectation again. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome. My God, you know him as Mr. Wonderful, Kevin O'Leary. Welcome to the show, sir.

Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

I appreciate you. I said that you're the blueprint, and here's why. Early on watching you back on the days of the Dragon's Den and then reading your books, you taught me something that I think most business leaders and entrepreneurs miss, and that's that results matter. We care about a lot of things that are cute, that are nice to have, but at the At the end of the day, results matter the most. I owe you that because everything about all of my businesses, my teams will tell you the philosophies that I teach are centered around you telling me that one day. Everything is cute, but results matter the most. I owe you that.

Thank you. But that is a consistent and it's perpetual, and it is really important more today than ever.

Absolutely. And before we get into where that started, I always like to ask my guest, what's your Your because. Simon Sinek taught us to start with why. And for a lot of folks, your why is your family, maybe your friends or your businesses. But I think your because is something deeper. If I were to ask you why your kids are your why, you normally start with because, A, B, and C. So I care about your because. If I were to say, Mr. Wonderful, what's your because? What's your purpose? What's your mission today?

What drives me and what my because is, is I I absolutely love it when people tell me I can't do something and that I shouldn't try because I'll never make it. I love that. I absolutely love that. Every once in a while, when I hear something like that, it's usually in industries that are well-established. I'll give you an example. Watch insurance. The insurance market is incredibly difficult to break into because it's highly regulated in every state, and it's impossible to acquire customers from the behemoths. You know who they are. I'm a watch collector, and so I'm not happy with my insurance options. Many other watch owners are not happy either because the basic problem is you put it on your home plan as a rider, and then 10 years later, your Rolex is stolen or lost, and it's worth 5 or 10 times what you bought it for, and they're paying you out a depreciated value. That's one of the problems with many house plans. But I remember people saying to me, Oh, you can't get into that business. And I say, Bullshit. Watch this. My secret sauce is my army of followers that I tell the truth to.

Millions of them, over 10 million of them. And I say to them, Hey, guys, does anybody want to try a I have a different idea for watch insurance. If you don't want it, don't worry about it. But I'm going to create this company called WNDYR Care, and it's going to do an incredible job on watch insurance. Does anybody want a policy? And I put one of those out there and got 3,500 policy requests, and I showed it to Chubb and said, Have you ever seen anything like this? Have you ever been able to get 3,000 policy requests with zero customer acquisition cost? Has anybody you've known ever done that? Why don't you partner And they looked at it and said, Whoa, okay. So there's always a way if you're motivated. And I'm kicking ass with WNDYR care right now, and I'm proud. So all those people that told me I couldn't do it, Fuck you. That's how I feel about it.

Absolutely. And here's what Mr. Wonderful didn't know about me is that my career and life started in the insurance space, in the property and casualty. So business insurance in the home side. So I, personally, am about to send all of my clients and followers information on WNDYR care because you're right. The basic insurance writer, whatever you set it for day one, typically is what it is twelve years later. Now you have something that you can't ever get in place. So kudos to you for a great-I appreciate.

But that's what keeps me going. I want to win. I want to compete. I got a great team of people that come with me, and I want to make them all rich. And this is the American dream. That's what it is. You got to find a pain point. You got to come up with a solution, and you got to drive it home. That's how it works. And you can't let anything get in your way, particularly people that say you can't do it. That's just noise, absolute noise. Don't worry about them.

Yeah. And again, that's why you're my blueprint. That's why you're the person that I follow and believe in. And you talk about winning. And to me, that ties into the results, right? Because you taught me that, Mick, results Results create freedom. Results create credibility. Results create legacy. Why do you believe that results are the true language of business and leadership?

Because you can measure them. It's very simple. Business is very binary. Either you make money or you lose money, and there's no in between. You're either profitable or you're not. Breakeven, that's okay, but that's on the way to one side or the other. You're either on the way up to being profitable or on the way down when you're breaking even to losing money. And so it's just a way stop. It's like a bus stop on the way. Setting goals allows you to put measurement into the model. And so results are the outcome of your team agreeing on the roadmap. And you can pivot, you can change based on new information. But if you don't get results, you're going to fail. And there's no messing around with it. You got to set a goal, you got to make it. There's no room for excuses. There's always an excuse, but there's no room for it. You have to deliver. You have to figure a way around the obstacle, and you got to go get it done. And the great managers, the great leaders, get stuff done. Sometimes it gets prickly, but you're not trying to win friends in business.

You're trying to have people respect you. And the way they respect affect you is you deliver results. I do business with a lot of assholes that are not nice people. But boy, are they productive? And that's why I'm doing business with them. They don't come to my cookout, but I do business with them and I risk money with them and I invest in them because they deliver results. It can't make everybody happy. That's not what the game is about. The game is setting a goal and achieving it. And along the way, there's going to be some people that you offend.

Well, that's too That's life, right? That's life. And on the way to winning and getting results, something that you talk about is a critical pillar in what you believe in as discipline. You told me, or not just me, but you told the world in a bunch of master classes and conversations that success is built on discipline, not desires. Where did that mindset start for you?

Well, there's something I've learned about in teaching cohorts of young I'm an executive fellow at Harvard, so I teach the HBA, the MBA, and the executive program, and I'm honored to do that. My son is going there right now, and he won't come to my classes. He doesn't want that shark tank stuff. I don't blame him. I get it. But what I've learned, if you look at a class, you look at the cohort, let's say there's 240 people in it. A third of them are to be consultants, and they're going to live a life of mediocrity. They'll never make a decision of any consequence, and they will float around in a useless primordial ooze of just nothingness, and they eventually will go to hell for being consulted. And I tell them that. They don't like to hear that, but it's true. A third are want to be entrepreneurs who are going to try multiple times and fail because they don't have what it takes. And then there's a third that have the founder's mindset, that have in their head, no matter how many times they try and they fail, they're going to keep going until they win because they know they'll have to win one time.

And every time they fail, they learn an important lesson. Founder's mindset is the ability to work in an environment of risk and understand that risk is the ocean you're floating in. Every day has risk. Every day, something that you didn't plan on is going to happen to you. Every day, it's up and down. The reason I can tell you that with certainty, in my portfolio of companies, over 50 of them, this is in the startup venture area. I do other stuff, but this is the the shark tank companies. But beyond just shark tank, every morning, I get up at 5: 45 and I ride my bike. When sunset for an hour and 20 minutes, that's my exercise routine, and I listen to the feeds from around the world, from business cable and BBC and CNBC and Fox and CNN, and get the seven stories of the day. While I'm listening in that hour and 20 minutes, the phone starts ringing. It interrupts the feed, no problem. Every day, there's a story of total depression, total woe and destruction for one of my companies. Oh, no, I just got sued. Oh, I just got kicked out of Walmart.

Oh, I just this. I just that. It's a disaster. And then 20 minutes later, It's total euphoria. Oh, I just got a $100 million offer for our business, and you own 30% of it. You have the right of first refusal. What do you want to do? That's in the same hour. Right. And so you got to get used to the ups and downs in the founder's mindset that are going to happen to you, the total euphoria to the total depression, and that's all in one day. Those are the people you want to invest in that can handle that just can take the hit, figure out a way around it, and move on. And that's about a third of the population. The other two-thirds are going to work for them, and there's nothing dishonorable about that. But only a third have the founder's mindset. Does that make sense?

It totally makes sense. And I want to double down on something that I know you've been talking about for the last couple of years, and I had to change something that I was doing because one of my businesses, I was labeled as a consultant. And I heard Kevin O'Leary say, You should never hire a consultant. And if you have one right now, you better fire them as quickly as you can. But I understood what you were saying. For the people that are listening and watching, break that philosophy down on why you can't be beholden to consultants forever and why it can be and probably is a detriment to your business growth and strategy.

Because they've never made payroll. They have no idea how to run a business. They speculate based on what they see out there on what should be done right and done wrong. And they've never, ever, ever, ever, not once made a decision of consequence where they own the results ever. They're worthless. They have no idea what it's like to make life and death decisions in a business. They have no idea on how to process that. They Why don't you just make recommendations based on their experiences as a consultant, which are worthless. And so why pay for that? Why would you do that? Why don't you actually give somebody equity that you respect their opinions and let them take risk with you as a partner, and then you mitigate what happens to you. When I see these reports, the size of telephone books that these giant S&P 500 companies pay for, it disgusts me. I just think, what a waste of shareholder value. Like, what a waste. And look, I don't disrespect consulting firms. I just don't use them. I don't understand why anybody would. It's just another opinion tied to zero risk. Yeah.

And one of my companies, we literally changed what we when I heard you say that because we were labeled as consultants, but not in the sense of what you describe as a consultant, but we were in that bucket. And I said, Here's the deal. We will be tied to equity to prove that what we do and say actually matters, or we only go in to do a specific tangible thing, and we get in and we get out, meaning we're not going to be there forever. We're going to come in and actually fix a problem, not give you advice or tell you how things are or charge 200 grand to change your marketing strategy. You taught me that, and you made me change a business philosophy, and I applaud you because you challenged me.

Well, you know, Mick, I like the idea you've got there. If you told me a consulting firm was willing to take on risk in their decisions, in other words, get paid on success only, that's interesting. That's half the battle once. Say, look, you take stock, you give us a recommendation, we implement your recommendation. If the stock goes up, you get a piece of the action. If it goes down, you added no value. In fact, maybe your recommendation was worthless in the first place. I'd like to see them take risk, not just get paid up front. Anyways, I've been doing this a long time. I've seen consultants come and go, and I tell young students they're going to do that. What's very attractive about it is $350,000 base when you come out of your second year in one of these business schools. But that's it. An entrepreneur could work five years, and that's just a rounding air of their outcome. They could get 35, they could $350,000,000 outcome. But a consultant just floats in that sea of mediocrity forever. And the more hours they build, they make a little bit more, but they never achieve greatness.

They've never done anything of consequence. And then there's that horrible outcome. Consultants all go to hell. I feel I'm so sorry for them.

No, you changed me. You changed me. And I'm going to switch gears. I'm going to get in trouble right here because Damon is my mentor. I met you through Damon, obviously. But I've always said the shark investor that I appreciate and taught me the most in investing was Mr. Wonderful. And here's where I'm going to say the truth because I was on set. You've also changed the mind of a lot of sharks, and they start to invest your way, too. Tell us about why you would... In certain instances, royalties actually matter more, and you'd rather invest that way with the royalty. Explain that to the folks.

Well, let's talk about venture capital, certainly all the Shark Tank deals. They're the highest risk investments you can make, and you never know with certainty what's going to work and what isn't. You got to do 7-10 deals a year because you don't know which two are going to make it and pay for the other mistakes. But in venture capital, and this is way back since the '50s, I think 1954, they started when the first venture capital fund started in Boston area. You do 10 deals, you wait 5-7 years, and only 2 out of 10 work. The others fail or just drift off into mediocrity. But those two are such extraordinary outcomes that they pay for all the mistakes. And so you're betting on a 20% outcome. We do slightly better on Shark Tank because we have television supporting customer acquisition cost. That's remarkable. 110 million people I see the show in syndication every year. So that matters for entrepreneurs. But the concept is you give somebody a million dollars on Shark. You're not going to make a return until you get the million dollars back And then the first dollar in is where you return.

So a million and one dollars, you made one dollar return. So the concept is return of capital, not return on capital, is what you're looking for in venture investing. So a royalty mitigates some of that risk. It says from every dollar of revenue before it goes through the meat grinder of the income statement, you're going to get your seven % or whatever it is. And in the beginning, 17 years ago, all the other sharks went, Oh, I would never do that. Yada, yada, yada, whouf, whouf, yada, yada, yada, yada. Now they all do it. Why? Because that's the right way to invest with this high risk. You can take a taste of equity. You get a royalty. The royalty can be perpetual or not. It can be based on some a determined return, like 3X on your money, then the royalty goes away. But one way or another, I'm getting a royalty. And all of a sudden, Laurie to my left, squawking like a chicken, wanting royalties. Barbara on my right, squawking like a chicken, wanting royalties. By the way, the only reason Barbara gets to the set every year is I buy her a new broom, and I'm very happy to do that.

But the whole point is they're figuring it out, too. They're grasshoppers that are learning the ways of venture capital. Then there's Cuban. Even he Started thinking about royalties. And that guy took a long time to train.

No, but me now as an investor, that's usually the first option that I'm offering. And when people balk or they don't understand, again, I take this from Mr. Wonderful, I usually say, you don't believe in yourself then. You want someone else to believe in you or your product more than you do. And I'm unwilling to do that. But if you're willing to have a royalty conversation, I know that you actually believe in what you do. Again, I learned that from you because I see you do it every season.

Well, I think you're on to the right path here. I mean, look, it's been time-proven. It's been 17 years. I mean, it's not like it's yesterday. So these are the things that I care about.

There you go. All right, Mr. Wonderful. There's other things that we have in common that you didn't know. One, our love for the New England Patriots. I have an uncle who is in the Patriot Hall of Fame. Stanley Morgan, all-time wide receiver for the Patriots in the Patriot Hall of Fame. I go to three or four Patriot- That's an honor for your family, man.

That's a big deal.

It's a huge deal. But our Patriots, we're starting to come back a little bit. The Pittsburgh thing.

The whole history of braided and Balachuk and Kraft and all of that story, it's so rich in New England. I was living there. My kids were growing up during that period. It was just un The camaraderie of the community with that team. Kraft is such a great guy, and he gives back. I've got to know him a little bit. He's amazing. The family is amazing. They really care about the community they service. It's not often owners, well, many are, but he's probably the best example in the league of integrating the team's values with that of the community. And you know, Boston is one hell of a sports town. If you're not winning, they spit you out like a bad date. It's really bad.

You don't get years to perform.

You got to perform. I don't care if it's hockey Bolly, baseball, football. You got to perform or the fans get ugly. And I love that about that town.

Absolutely. Another passion that we have is tequila. You have a couple of brands that I love and are some of my favorites. And one of my best friends in the world is celebrity chef Robert Irvine, who also has a passion for tequila. We've sipped some of your tequila together. When did that love of tequila come about?

I really try to limit what I drink. I want pure substances with no additives and really no sugar. So there's only two drinks that I drink. I drink really good wines. Most of them I blend myself, and I drink my tequila because my tequila is actually the plant has grown for six years and then pressed on location. Zero additives, nothing in it. No sugar, no additives. I do a Blanco and a Reposado, and I love them because they're pure. If you're going to drink alcohol, make it really good because I can't stand hangovers. I hate all the additives that are put into so many inexpensive. Now, fortunately, that tequila That's over 100 bucks a bottle. But for those that care, you can get it at kevinolierry. Com, and you can order it there. I think it's the best tequila I've ever tasted. Of course, I'm talking in my own book. Of course, O'Leary Fine Wines, I have an exclusive partnership with QVC because they buy all my production, all of it. I sell millions of bottles a year with them. You can just order it on QVC. But it's about the desire to bring something really healthy and good.

I'm not saying alcohol is healthy, but if you're going to make sure it's good stuff.

You already went there, so I was going to tell people, Kevin O'Leary. Com, Signor Miravioso is mine. That is mine. I love it.

It's Mr. Wonderful in Mexican. I love it.

I love it. Robert Irvine and I shake it on ice and let the agave rise.

By the way, the design of the bottle, the label, was from Tattoo Panda in Miami. And a guy, he's never... The association in Mexico that allows...

Really?

It's very controlled. They saw Tattoo Panda's design of my eyes, and they said, This is phenomenal. And if you look at the bottle, it's just stunning. I mean, Tattoo Panda is a genius. I love the guy, and he's actually designing, or at least part of a team that's designing a watch for me, a one of a a shark in a coral reef. Beautiful.

Well, I know you're busy. You have a lot going on, so I'm blessed that you took some time with me today. Before I get into my rapid fire, my quick five questions, I want to ask you this, and you hit on it a little bit earlier, but the fire that remains in you. You've accomplished so much. Most people, they can check boxes and say, I'm here, I'm done, and shut it down, but you can continue to have that drive. After all the wins, what continues to drive you now?

It's a great question. And I thought the answer comes from the past because when I had my first big liquidity event, the nine of us that were founders the next morning, we were never doing it. This is the sale of a learning company to Mattel, 4. 2 billion. We never did it for the money. We were so passionate about winning and being number in our sector in software, reference software, educational software, math and reading skills, read a rapid Carmen, San Diego. We even did Miss. We did so many titles all around the world, many countries, and it was a phenomenal team, but We started with nothing. And then one day we wake up and we're rich. But it didn't matter. We all came back to work because we didn't know anything else. We didn't know what else to do. And I eventually said, well, I'm going to take a vacation. I'm going to go to every beach on Earth, just want to sit on every one of the beaches on Earth. Cyprus, Thailand, Cambodia, Singapore, everywhere where there's a beach, I want to try it. I did that for about 18 months, and boy, was I bored out of my mind.

I thought, I got to get back in the game. I got to do something with the rest of my life. I want to do stuff. I don't need to, but I want to. When you get to that place where you've achieved financial freedom, you spend your doing the things that you really are passionate about.

Yes, sir.

That takes you to a new level because you want to even work harder. I want to be a better guitarist, and so I have to find time to practice, and I do. I've gotten way better than I was even a few years ago. I want to be a better photographer. I own every piece of known photographic equipment. I just shot a magazine spread on on the weekend with a photographer for our new movie, Marty Supreme, Coming Out Christmas Day. I'm in that movie with Gwyneth Paltrow and Timothée Chalamet. I'm Gwyneth Paltrow's husband in it. He shot that shoot with an Olympus camera from the late '80s, a tiny Olympus camera, a film camera, and the results were stunning, Andy Warhol-like. And I thought, That is genius. I've never done that. So I learned something from them. And I scoured the Earth to find one of these Olympus cameras because they stopped making them a long time ago. And I found a guy that had two of them, and they're on my desk right now. I did the deal last night, and he had to deliver them this morning, and I'm going to go get film, and I'm going to start shooting with those.

So I'm learning. The whole point is I'm learning, and I want to keep learning. I collect watches like... I mean, one of a kind Chanel, the crash from Cartier. These are extraordinary watches. I love that. I love the watch community. So these things motivate me more than money. I don't need more money. I need more time. And so I want to use my time in the best way I can, including doing this with you. This is important to me. I wouldn't do this if I didn't want to, because I think it's very important that we have this narrative. We have this discussion to help young entrepreneurs on their journey. That's my real mission. If you're thinking about being an entrepreneur, you're only one-third of the population, now is the time to start. Now. Because don't talk yourself out of it saying, Oh, I'm too nervous. I can't do that. You don't know what's going to happen. You got to try. And if you don't try, you'll never get the outcome you want. Or if you're happy working for some of the rest of your life, or even worse, don't be a consultant. Please don't go to hell.

Don't do that.

No, but you're exactly right. I mean, I talk to young people all the time. I get asked this question a lot, and I always hate it. Like, Mick, if you could talk to the 16-year-old version of yourself, what would you say? I'm like, why would I do that when I can't, when I can go talk to 16-year-olds, when I can go talk to real 18-year-olds and impact their lives. And I tell them the same thing our grandparents told me, there's more resources for you to be a business leader, to be an entrepreneur than there ever has been, right? Access it. But you've got to have that earning for learning, as I like to call it, which you just talked about so eloquently. The information that young people have today, and not just young people, but society has today to go start a business, the resources, the knowledge to be able to tap in to a Mr. Wonderful. You speak all over the country, and you give so many nuggets of wisdom in all of your speeches and all your master classes. People can go get that. They don't have to go hire you for an hour.

They can buy a ticket to an event that you're at because you're going to give everybody everything that they need right there. But I don't think people are taking advantage of it the way that they could or should. I try to help them understand where these resources are because to me, it's critically important.

Well, I really appreciate it. People say you're the mean shark. I'm not the mean shark. I just tell the truth. You got to deal with the truth. If you think I'm bad, wait till the real world hits you. Wait till the real market chews you up and spits you out three times before you get it right. That's how it works. And that's okay, because that's in, we talked about earlier, the founder's mindset. You got to be ready to take it all because some guy in Mumbai or Shanghai wants to kick your ass and you got to get competitive. And they're going to work 25 hours a day, eight days a week. So you're going to have to do the same thing. But the whole idea is if you're successful, you bought yourself total freedom to work even harder because that's what you're going to do. You're going to keep going. That's what every entrepreneur I know when they tell me their success story, they're working harder today than they ever have because they love what they do. I love what I do. I really love getting up in the morning and taking it all on and the phone calls come and all the drama and all that stuff.

It's wonderful. It's just a great fiber of life. I try and spend as much time as I can with my family. You generally work it out on weekends, but I love it. I think I wish this for everybody. I really do.

There you go. All right, Mr. Wendell, I'll ask you five rapid fire questions to get you out of here. First one, you're on stage performing. What's your guitar solo moment? What song are you playing?

My answer is changing because what I'm really learning, the essence of a guitar is the blues. The way you get feel out of a guitar is you play the blues in any key you want. It's a simple three-chord structure that makes a guitar speak. If you tell me, I want a solo, just give me the classic three-chord blues. You're going to go E, A, D, or you can go E-A-B, I don't care, and I'm going to rip with you. But I'm really working, going back to the old Blues masters, back from B. B. King even earlier, and seeing how those guys slowed it down. They They slowed it down and they knew their pentatonic and they knew to add that note. That's what I'm practicing because I used to be one of these guys from the 70s rock where I'd be working like a bee, just ripping up and down, like fast as I could. That's bullshit. If you listen to John Maher or Eric Clapton, they get it. They just get it. They slow it down and they rip the soul out of the instrument and you can hear it.

Yeah. Love it. Next question. If I were to hire Kevin O'Leary to photograph my event, what's the fee?

What equipment would I use?

No, what's the fee? What's your charge?

Oh, I have agents for that. You don't want to hire me. What I've learned to do is to be fair to everybody because on the speaking circuit, which I found recently I really enjoy, and I do all the sectors, all 11 sectors of the economy. I let the market decide to be. I work with a great team at Big Speak, and there's about 14 people on my team, and we hand-select the opportunities. I keep changing the sectors because it makes me better. I learn so much. I'm doing three speeches this week, one in Boston, one in Houston, one in Austin, and then there's actually four and another one in New York. That's That's a lot of work in one week, but they're all different sectors. I've been working and studying. When I show up, I got to know my stuff, so it makes me a better person.

Love it. You just closed a big deal and you want to celebrate with the meal. Where are you eating?

It depends what city, but I would say in Miami, it would be Casa Tua on James Street. That's on the beach, outside in the garden. In New York, it's got to be the Polo Lounge, downstairs. I love that place. The vibe is so amazing and media. Sometimes I go to the Amman Club there. There's an incredible sushi restaurant inside that. In Toronto, Canada, I go to my own restaurant there, Blue Bovine, also one of the best. It ain't cheap, but it's pretty good. It's attached to where the Blue Jays are playing, so people are loving that. In San Francisco, maybe LA, I'll pick LA, two places, Avra and Casa Cipriani. Those are my celebratory places, and I've celebrated deals in all of those places.

Love it. If you had to do a deal randomly with the shark, which shark would it be?

I get asked this all the time. The guy I love doing business with is Mr. Wonderful. I love that guy. I mean, you can't go wrong with a deal with Mr. Wonderful, so I'm sticking with that.

Love it. Last question, Mr. Wonderful. This is just more of a shout out to you and who you are. I'm trying not to get emotional on this because you really do mean the world to me, man. The advice that you give, the time that you actually take to interact with people, and people don't see this, but I got to see this with my own eyes, man. You take time to talk to people, to answer questions, to give advice. If you had to give advice to the entrepreneur that's thinking about taking that step and saying, I'm going to start a business, what's the first one or two things that they need to do to make that happen?

If you're just starting out, it's a good idea to go work for somebody in the industry you like for a year or two as an apprentice, even if they don't pay you. You learn so much in that 18 or 24 months that is so powerful for your success later. You You're an apprentice, and then you go start your own thing. But you have so much knowledge about your industry and contacts and the do's and don'ts of the practice. That's how they do it in Switzerland. That's how they do it in France. That's how they do it in Germany. That's how they do it in England. That's how they do it in Australia. Italy. The apprentice programs for kids as young as 14, that's how the watch industry works. Rolex does a fantastic job of identifying talent and letting them learn about watchmaking before they have to commit their life to it. They can make They make money as a watchmaker, but they have to have the talent. And so the apprentice program helps with that. I would say that. And then the other thing is just do it. I mean, don't worry about failure. You are 100% going to fail.

I guarantee you you will fail. Maybe Three times. But it only takes one success, and you set yourself free for life. And so it's worth the shot. That's the founder's mindset right there.

There you go. Ladies and gentlemen, this has been the blueprint of my business success. Kevin O'Lean. Larry, Mr. Wonderful. Mr. Wonderful, thank you. Again, I know how busy you are. It meant the world that you took some time out of your schedule just to talk with me in the audience, and I'm forever in debt to the person and the human that you are. I love you.

Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

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