Transcript of Sugar Shane Mosley on Legacy, Grit & The Fight Within | Coffeez for Closers

His last fight, he's still in fight in shape. He's fought Pacquiao. He's fought Floyd Mayweather. He's fought Oscar De La Hoya. You name it. Every champion that you guys all know or grew up with or your parents know and follow, this man has fought them and beat many of them. So it's just an honor to have you on the show today. You grew up with boxing gloves on your hand. You come from a lineage.

Pretty much.

Of boxers. Was it your father?

Well, my father box, but not really the boxing that I did, professionally, whatever. He was more of a... He grew up in Watts, so he had to do more of the fights in the street. He was in gymnastics and other type of sports like that, but very strong, physically very strong. Yeah.

Nice. Now, when did you know boxing wasn't just a sport? This was just this was going to be your life.

I knew when I was nine years old that boxing was going to be my life. I knew that I wanted to be the world champion. I knew that I wanted to be great because at that young age, I said to myself, It's a one-on-one sport, and I determine if I'm going to win or not. If the kids are my size and my age, there's no way they're going to be. So I took to the challenge, and boxing, I just fell in love with boxing right away. And actually watching Sugar Ray Leonard and a lot of those guys at that time, Sugar Leonard, Tom Hurns, or Brother Ryan, those guys actually motivated me to be the top five that I was even then.

So is that where the name derived from? Because I love Sugar Ray Leonard, too. But did Did you get it after Sugar Ray?

The name was given to me probably because of Sugar Ray Leonard. I used to wear the Sugar Ray Leonard gloves in 1980. I started boxing in 1979. Sugar Ray Leonard was the champion in 1980, so he was a big thing. I was like, We're going to call you Sugar Shane. It just stuck with me all the way through. I remember meeting Sugar Robinson and his wife and telling them, My name is Sugar, too. She was like, You have to be good to be a sugar. I'm like, Well, I'm really good. I'm going to be the best. It just stuck with me. Everybody announced my name when I was fighting, when I was 12, 11 years old. My name was announced Sugar Shane mostly when they announced me. It wasn't just Shane, mostly it was Sugar Shane. So it's been with me forever.

You had your first professional fight at what age?

I think I was 22 or 21, 22 I was 2 years old. I waited till after the Olympics in 1992 to fight professionally. The reason why, because of the Olympics, but I could have probably turned professionally early. I was actually number one when I was 17 years old in the country and representing the United States for dual meets and stuff. From 17 to 21, I was the number one guy in the United States.

Wow. Was that in the Olympics?

That was in the Olympics, but I was on the team, but I didn't go to the Olympics. I lost to Fernando Forrest and was an alternate for the Olympics. I was supposed to go, but I actually beat the guy that was a Supermodelist in a dual meet. I just felt short. Things like that happen.

It happens. From your early days to the big belts, what did winning mean What has that been like for you back then? And has that definition of winning changed now?

Well, back the day, winning for me was everything. It's like I had to win. Before I fought for my first world title, I think it was '22 and '0, like '21 knockouts or '23 knockouts, or '22 knockouts. I knocked out pretty much everybody because I didn't want to go to the judges because you never know. Sometimes you never know what's going to happen with the judges. I'm like, I have to be one of the greats. I have to be a champion. I don't even want the judges to even have a hand in this. But winning to me back then, it was more so like an honor and an achievement to be the world champion. It felt like I was part of history because all the great champions, they held the belt with honor. Nowadays, it seems that the honor has changed. The mentality box has changed, and it's more of how much money can we get? Even the ones that will fight for honor, will turn to fight for the money because the money seems to be... I mean, it's a great tool to have. Money is great, right?

Yeah. I mean, now these boxing tickets are insane.

Yeah.

They're insane tickets. I mean, can you get a fight against Logan Paul?

That'd be a big ticket. Logan or Jake. Yeah. I mean, it was funny because I actually trained Jake Paul, so I was one of his first trainers. So I don't think that that would ever happen. I mean, he is fighting guys smaller than him like Jake Paul. I mean, like Javante Davis. He's smaller than you? Yeah, Javante Davis is really small.

I mean, that'd be a cool fight, you and Logan, but it would be probably rigged.

Yeah. I mean, if they have a $20 million, and $30 million, and $50 million, I would definitely get in the ring and fight. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

Yeah. I mean, I think you'd fight for less than that. You're just a fighter.

Really, I'm just a fighter. I love to fight, and I get in the ring all the time with all these young fighters. So if they're paying that type of money, then, yeah, that's just a no-brainer. But at least I go out there and try. I like to try.

What's your opinion about the quality or the metric of these quality of fighters now that we're seeing these YouTube sensational fighters?

I think that the fighters, they are good, and they have a lot of great qualities, the speed energy, power, and moving around, I guess, the physical part of it. But the only thing that's different is the mentality of the fighter back then and now. I think the mentality is changing where they started to really go for it. I mean, Terence Crawford proved that he actually showed a great mentality and some old-time, old-skill type of fighting Terence did. He showed He showed a great variety of different styles where he can stay there and punch at the same time he can move. He did a lot of great things in there. So I took my half to him. I think he did a great job. I actually thought Canelo was just too He was going to win. But he definitely proved me wrong.

Well, Terrence is an old... He's a traditional fighter.

He's more of a traditional fighter.

And so is Canelo.

And so is Canelo. But Canelo fought. He didn't change. Whereas Crawford had different things in there that he changed and made Arthur Canelo to catch up with him.

Yeah, I think you said he knew his strategy already.

He knew his steps. He knew basically what he was going to do. And Canelo did the same exact thing every time, the one shot to the body or one shot to the head. Crawford just had to steal it from that and outpoint him.

Now, you fought some of the biggest names in history, from De La Hoya to Codo to Majorga, to Mayweather to Pacquiao. But what was your hardest fight mentally, and what was your hardest fight physically?

Well, the hardest fight for both was actually Wink Winkie, Ronald Wright. Wynke, Ronald Wright was the hardest fight for me at South Paul. He was a South Paul, Jay Middleweight. He was a little bit bigger, and he was very skilled because he can catch and throw, catch and throw. So the shots I was hit him with didn't hurt. And he was just bigger to me where he can just lay on me or just smother me, and I couldn't do anything. So that was just a harder fight because I didn't believe his size. And his ability. He had great ability, too. It wasn't just size, it was his ability, because if he was less than what he was, then I could have outpointed him or something. So he was actually a great fighter.

What year was that fight against Winkie?

I'm thinking 2006 or 2007, maybe.

I remember that name. I remember that fight.

Yeah, he fought. Because I was supposed to fight Trinidad after that. Yeah. And he fought Trinidad instead, and he beat Trinidad, too. Actually, he beat Trinidad worse. I mean, actually, it was a close fight with me and him, but Trinidad, he just outpointed him.

Did you fight Trinidad?

I didn't get a chance to because of lots of Winkie.

Winkie, right, was harder. That was harder than Canelo. It was harder than Mayweather? Hard all of them?

Are it all of them? Yeah, because of his style. They were more strategic, Mayweather and Canelo and Cotles. They were more strategic, where it was just hard to fight them. Like a South Paul, but he was just tough.

You didn't fight Canelo, did you?

Yeah, I fought Canelo as well. You fought Canelo? Yeah, he was like 21. He's a year older than my son. How old were you when you fought Canelo? I think I was 40, 39, 40.

You fought him at 40?

Yeah, I believe I was 40 years old when I fought Canelo. He was 21.

Wow. Yeah. When was your last big fight? How old were you?

My last fight was with Miurga. I did that promotion myself. Myself at the Forum. When was that? 2016, maybe.

Yeah.

That was my last fight. Well, that wasn't my last fight. To the back, my last fight was with David Evanesian, the Russian kid. That was my last fight, and that was maybe 2016. So he was probably 2015.

But you're still in great shape. You still look like you could get in the ring tomorrow. I could, yeah.

I get in the ring and I spar and move around. I'm still pretty good. I know my limits. I know where I can go.

What are your limits? You seem like you're limitless still.

A limit will be maybe getting there with Crawford. He's younger and- You get in there with Crawford right now? I would, but I would say that's like- Crawford, you hear that? The champ? Yeah, but I would say he's too young for me.

He's in his 30s.

But I'm saying I would fight somebody different than that. More He's more out of the league. My son Shane Jr. Fight him.

When will he fight him?

Probably pretty soon. After my son wins the world title, he can fight Crawford at 160. God, I think Crawford is trying to go to 60 to fight.

And your son is fighting for the world title pretty soon.

Yeah, on December sixth. In Vegas? He'll be in Vegas in June Grand. He'll be fighting against Ramos. Wow. So he was supposed to fight October 25th, but I think Fender hurt his hand, and they postponed the date. So now he's going to be fighting December sixth. And I'm excited for that because he's been working very hard. It's a long time coming.

You've been training him.

Yeah. Well, I'm not his trainer. There's another trainer, Eric. Give his last name to Eric. He's a very, very good trainer out of Canada, and he's been working with them. I give my son all the tools he needs, all the little different strategies and stuff like that. So I'm always there beside him.

How old was your son when he started boxing?

He started when he was eight, but then he stopped and he came back to box when he was 15 or 16.

It's just in his blood.

Yeah, it's his blood. He wanted to fight.

So he picked up a pair of gloves the same age you picked up a pair of gloves?

Pretty much, yeah.

I'm just blown away by your level of fitness. Guys, you don't even understand. He literally looks the same. The dude is ripped. What is your regimen to stay this fit still at 54? So start with the morning. What's your morning regimen? What depends.

And your workout regimen. It depends on, I think, if I start working out, when I work out. But I think that the real reason is me going to the gym and carrying the bags, sparring with the kids, staying in shape that way. I think that just being active as a fighter, not on the level that I was when I was fighting for world titles, but just being active, it gives my body that type of chisel where I could just stay fit.

I think that's the thing. Being active is not like, you don't stay that chiseled.

I think that not eating has been not over eating, overindulging, trying to... I'm more of a snacker anyway. Just Yeah.

You eat one meal a day, you mentioned.

Yeah, one meal a day. I'm a snacker. So I eat one good meal and then maybe snack here and there.

What snacks? Nuts or something?

Nuts, granola, which I just... Granola is not really good, but the nuts are good. I get pumpkin seeds and stuff like that.

Yeah, I can't imagine maintaining that body, that BMI at your age. I'm sure it gets harder, but...

But not really. I mean, once you get used to eating in a way, then it's not hard at all. But it's just getting used to it.

Now, what about outside the ring? What was the fight the public never saw but shaped the man you became now? The fight that the public-Yeah. What's one fight you've dealt with behind the media? I wouldn't say fights.

I would say more of when you spar, when you go to the gym and spar. So I spar with two world champions every Every day before I was a world champion. I think that motivated me. Zack Padilla was 140-pound world champion, and Chicanito Giovanero Hernandez was a 130-pound champion. I was fighting at 135. I would spar with these guys. I every day.

I think that- Here in LA?

In LA, yeah. I think that made me that they transformed me as a young fighter into a world champion. Helped me to understand what a champion what it took to be a champion because I was sparring with two champions, and I had to be good enough, better, or just good enough to be in the ring with them because if I wasn't, they would just wipe me out. They'd dust me out. But by me sparring with them all the time, they were actually winning all their fights. So they needed me to spar with them. And that's how I knew that I was going to be the next world champion because I'm in the ring with two champions every day. So there's no way that anybody else is going to be able to mess with me.

That's just unreal. So that's what people don't realize. It's like the work that goes into being a champion. People don't see that you're fighting champions before. People don't see that you're like, worn it all out before.

I was 15 years old. I was in the ring with Azuma Nosa and sparring with him. And then after the sparring session, Carl King was like, Oh, my God, we want to sign you. My father was like, He's only 15 years old. You can't sign him right now. He's not even pro yet. I was sparring a lot of work, like Hector Lopez and all these world champions I was around.

How did you get in front of those people? The gym you went to?

I go to different gym, sparring different people. Yeah. I'll go I'll go to the gym, and my father will take me to the gym, and we will look up for the best person, the champion, the world champion, and we'll get in the room with them and work and try to be better.

I feel like the world of boxing now, it's like, to be a good boxer, I'll give you where I live in Coast Mesa. There's only one real boxing gym. Everything else is this trendy boxing gym.

You got to travel to the hood a little bit, man. I did East LA, Pomona, Azusa, Bowman Park. You got to go to the hood. You got to go to the hood a little bit.

They don't have those real boxing gyms.

It's all fancy stuff. Where the gym is hot and they got air condition. You don't want air condition. And they got music and it's like disco lights. Yeah, you need a small ring and hot and people looking at you crazy.

That's the real boxing gym. You don't see those rocky style boxing gyms anymore.

You don't see real boxing gym. All that nice stuff.

I don't think I've ever stepped foot in a boxing gym. All of them are now box house or rumble boxing. They're not real boxing gym. Have you ever seen these places?

I've seen rumble boxing. That's not That's just for people to go there and hit the bell.

That's for moms. To just work out.

I go to the gyms. Even now, I go to the gyms in Puerto Rico or in Mexico or wherever. I like to go to the hood and go to the gyms like that and see what they got.

Now you're living in Puerto Rico. Yeah. You got a lot of fans of Puerto Rico. What is it that drew you to live in Puerto Rico?

Actually, the people. I actually started. I moved there or went there when I was trying Jit Paul from Adeas. And then from there, I started meeting a lot of people there. I already knew a lot of people anyway, but I realized Puerto Rico is a boxing country. A boxing country. It's a territory of the United States. So I realized it was a boxing, I guess you say-Territory. Territory. Territory. Story. Yeah. And the people love boxing. I love boxing. So it's like, I would definitely want to give back to the kids that really want to learn. And they seem to really want to learn the sport and be the best. So I love it. There's a lot of financial benefits as far as taxes concerns as well. So that's just a lasting on the cake.

Yeah. We were having this conversation. It's like, Philippines, Puerto Rico. These people just adore you. They just adore you. You go to the Philippines, you go to Puerto Rico. It's like everybody knows Sugar Shane.

Yeah, it's a whole different flavor.

And every male, 30 plus.

Yeah, 30 plus. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's the good thing about Jake Paul is because he's getting the younger generation involved. And so they can see who's who, I guess. But yeah.

What's your opinion about this new reemergence of boxing amongst the youth? Jake Paul has really reignited a fire for the love of boxing that didn't exist. I would say boxing was a dormant sport for a decade.

Yeah. He's really getting behind the fighters out there in Puerto Rico and also the women women boxing. He's bringing women boxing to another level. He's promoting it. Yeah. He's promoting women boxing. And now in Puerto Rico or whatever, if you want to be involved with the fight game, being a woman, because back in the day, women boxing wasn't that big. But nowadays, the women box are getting paid. And that's because of Jake Paul. So he's doing a great job.

I see that shift in a lot of women's sports, like basketball, for instance. I would have probably attributed Kaitlyn Clarke to that. But women basketball is like, I think in five years, it's going to be neck and neck with the NBA.

That's impressive.

Yes. So you're starting to see this in boxing. You're seeing it in basketball. You're seeing it in... You might see flag football with women.

Yeah, in a second.

It's right around the corner where you'll see a professional flag football.

And these women fighters, they're actually good. They have good technique and power and stuff like that. It's getting more exciting. Before, it probably wasn't excited because it wasn't maybe as good. But the women boxing is really taking off, and they're really fighting a lot better now.

Yeah, I mean, obviously, we know this happens in the UFC. Women's UFC is obviously insane. So now that you've lived through multiple errors of the boxing sport, what stands out to you the most about how the fight game has evolved?

I mean, that's easy. What stands out to me is the money that they're making is crazy. If I was fighting in that era, I would- But Mike Tyson was making an insane money, right? Not really. I mean, he made 20 million, but he made 20 million. Yeah, he was making some good money, but only Mike Tyson wasn't making like that. And this era- And De La Hoya. De La Hoya was really making... They used to make it $10 million, but not 50 million, 100 million dollars.

This is a different- What's your highest paid fight?

$7 million. And that's what gets Pacquiao. Yeah. So they're making Crosford and Canelo, $150 million.

$150 million?

150 million. 150 million? 150 million, yes. Crosford made 50 million or 100 million or something like that. They make money like that. That's the difference.

Then what did Jake Paul make?

I don't know. Maybe 20, 40 million. But he brought boxing to Netflix. So he's doing something with all his fans and people that they're supporting him. So that's why he's making that type of money. I think Tyson made 20 million. Something like that.

He just gave him that fight.

This type of stuff is like, that's the difference. And back then, you go back to Sugar Red Linen and all them. Back then, it was making that type of money. Then we made more money, and now they're making way more money. So we doubled their money that they were making back in the '80s.

So does your son get to make that money?

Not yet, but hopefully, he'll be in there.

Yeah, he's still only making six figures a fight, not seven, huh?

Yeah. I think that after this, if he fights Bud, that could be eight figures.

It just depends on who you fight. I didn't need to be a seven-time world champion like you, and I already made more than you. Exactly. It's funny money.

It's different.

Now, today's box world looks a lot different. What do you think today's fighters are missing that your era had-The real thing that missing, and not every fighter, but I'm just saying the majority is the mentality of going out there and getting the knockout, going out there and really going for the win and making the fans enjoy, letting the fans enjoy the actual fight, actually fighting.

Now, they'll say, Well, we're boxers. We're going to hit and not get hit. We're going to hit, not get hit. They're going to stay away, and they're going to box. That's the difference. They don't really engage. Even the boxers back in the day, like say, Pernod Whitaker, that doesn't get hit, whatever, he's going to stay in the pocket and try to knock the guy out. He's going to not get hit, but at the same time, he's going to actually go for it and make the guy go for a knockout. Whereas these guys will not go for the knockout and not get hit either, but just not try. That put themselves in danger, they say. Why put myself in danger? Why risk? They're too afraid for the knockout. And that's what you train, you work out for. They're too afraid of it. But Dwyja's zone, I think they're great fighters, though. There's a lot of like, Cribs Stevenson and a few others. Tank Davis will go for the knockout. That's why people like to see him. Crawford will go for a knockout when he can. So they want to see those types of fights. But other than that, there's a lot of...

In a way, it's actually a fighter that will go for a knockout, little Chinese guy. He's exciting. People want to see him. So the mentality has to change. If they have the mentality like those fighters I named, then I think that the sport would change around.

Are you instilling that mentality in Shane Moseley Jr?

Of course. He has a mentality as well. He's a good boxer, but he's also a fighter, too. I told him he also the dog in him. Sometimes he has to do more boxing than try to sit there and fight because he will get too much if he just sits there and fights too long.

So how do you get that dog in you? What is it that makes you get that dog in you?

It's a mentality, a mental mindset. Like, I will win. I'm going to get you. I'm going to win. I'm going to beat you a certain way. Even if you do whatever you do, there's nothing you can do that can stop it. You just bite down. It's that-Crociousness. It's been that predator. You're coming for you. I'm coming for you.

Now, social media, big promos, influencers in the ring. What's your honest take on where this sport is headed right now?

It looks like it's headed in the right position. I think that maybe these guys are getting paid a lot, maybe too much money, and sometimes it makes them more less sedentary. But I'm all for them getting paid that to my man. I would definitely love to get paid $100 million or whatever it is.

Yeah, you got family in it now, so it's like, shit.

But it takes away... It seems like it takes away the fight out of some of these big fights because they're like, Oh, okay, I have to retire after this. I don't have to do nothing else. I don't know. But I think the sport is going back to the old school, the old way, I think, the mentality of it. Hopefully, it gets there. Hopefully, it goes to where we watched all these fights and went to go home. I'm going to watch this fight. I'm going to watch that fight, and I knew it was going to be a great fight. Instead of like, I wonder if it's going to be a great... I wonder if it's going to run. I wonder if it's going to be a boring fight. You have to wonder if it's going to be a good fight or not. Back in the day, it's like, we know. You know, Mike Tyson is going there. It's going to be a great fight. You know myself or let's say, Trinity or anybody, Chávez, all these guys, Shira Leonard, you know, Tommy Burns. It's going to be some fireworks. Marva Haglen, something's going to happen.

Every Every... You talk about Tyson. Every fight of his was so damn fun.

It was fun. You know it's an event.

All your fights were amazing.

What's going to happen? What's going to happen? That was the thing. Nowadays, you're not like, what's going to happen as far as excitement, is it going to run? Is it going to be a boring fight? What's going to happen? Back then, it's like, what's going to happen? But what's going to happen? Who's going to get knocked out? What's going to happen that Not who's going to run the most, so I'm making a boring fight.

Yeah, I'll be real with you. I think boxing was tougher and better back when you were boxing. I just do. I think the era of boxing has gotten a little softer. I know that Jake Paul is trying to make it more ferocious, but there's a lot of glitz and glamor and hokey-pokey social media narrative behind it.

But Jake Paul is He's actually a real fighter, though. I trained him, and I know his mentality. I know his mindset. So he actually could fight.

Yeah, so he's a good fighter.

He's actually a fighter. He's been in the fight for seven, eight years now. He's a real fighter.

So you don't see it the same way? Do you think the air is a little softer?

No, the air might be a little bit more softer in everything, not just boxing, but basketball, football. You go to all the sports, and it's softer than it was back in the day.

Yeah. All the sports. Probably because of hyper regulation. Yeah. Don't hit them there.

You can't do that. You can't do this. Back in the day, your eyeball fall out, and you still fighting.

Yeah. I mean, now everyone's concerned about this legal issue and that legal issue. Yeah. Now, if you could train one up and coming fighter today, what qualities would you look for first in that fighter?

For me, I look for the mindset, the heart, because you could train all the other stuff. But train the mindset and train the heart is something that's hard to train. You have to really be like a psychiatrist when you're coaching for that. That's the main ingredient. You have fires like Majorga and Madonna, whatever. They just throw a punch for more wherever. But they have the mindset that, I'm going to beat you. I'm I'm coming to get you. And they became world champions with that, with just not having skills, really that type of skills at all. So if you have that mindset, we call it the dog or whatever, then that That's what I would want to see is what...

How fast do you see that?

Well, you put them in the ring with certain people and see what happens. I mean, I've seen that with Jake Paul. They had a little dog in him when I took him down the street to Able Sanchez gym and threw him there with some unde professionals, and they got him in the body and got the best of him a little bit, blade his nose, and he just kept going. I said, Okay, he got some dog in him. Not only can he do shit, he could take it a little bit, too. So he don't mind taking it. He don't mind taking and giving. So that's why I say, Jake Paul, he did his thing. He's a great fighter. That's why he's doing what he does. It could be, I wouldn't say set up or it could be a little different, whatever. I don't know what they're doing. But I do know that he is a real fighter, and he can't fight. Whatever it is he doing, he continue. He's making money.

He's bringing glory back to the game.

He's bringing glory back to the fight game. So whatever it is he's doing, continue.

A couple of last questions. Now, when people talk about legacy, which there's so much legacy discussion in boxing, what What do you hope your name stands for when they tell the story of the Sugar Shane, Moseley era?

I just hope that they look at me as an honorable fighter, a fighter that I find that I was really passionate about the sport of boxing. I really love the sport of boxing. I'm really passionate about it. Everybody knows I'm a nice guy. I'm the type of person that want the best for the next person or whatever. Even if he beats me or whatever, I want to see him do well. I guess you could say I'm the type of guy that wants to see the next person do well, and I feel happy about that.

I love that mentality. Got a couple of last questions. One is about your family. You've raised four beautiful children, one of them, up and coming champion. Now, you've instilled a level of grit, a level of ferociousness, a winning mentality in your children, despite the fact that they grew up with a silver spoon compared to you. How did you instill that mindset into your kids, given all this worldly tribulation, all the things that this world just sways you when you got money? Your kids didn't grow up poor.

Right. I didn't necessarily grow up poor either. I was a middle class kid as well. My My father worked and my mother worked. Junior Dynamics, my father worked for the DPPS office. I had a car when I was 14 years old driving a green BMW, I mean, a green Bug. I wasn't necessarily in the ghetto. I was middle class. But the thing that changed to my kids, my son, whatever, is that it It's not because you have the money or you have whatever, you have to really want to be the best at whatever it is. I was very competitive. And like my son, Shane Jules, he's very competitive and he wants to win. It doesn't matter who you are. So he wants to win. And that's the key ingredient. You want to win because you need money or you need food on the table, whatever. Yeah, that's one way. But the other way is, I want to be the best. I want to be the I want to be able to take care of my family or whatever, so they don't have to struggle. My son adapted that mentality, taking care of his family and want to be the best and setting a goal for himself and not wavering from that goal.

That type of mentality, that type of... I guess that type of thing that I gave him, that I installed him, that That was the type of mentality I installed him, that he's seen. He grew up watching me do it. So now he's going to do the same thing that I did. He wants to be workshop. He wants to be great. He wants to be better. And I'm happy for it.

God bless.

God bless. I'm happy about that.

One last question. I ask this to everybody. When you're in front of the curly gates, what do you think God's going to tell you?

Oh, man. I don't know. If I learned all my lessons, I believe that God knows my heart and knows that I'm a light and that I am a helper. I'm not a taker. I'm a helper of everybody. I'm a helper of Earth, of people, mankind, and I'm only enhancing. I'm going to, I believe, get rewards for that.

You will. You're one of the sweetest dudes ever. Guys, Sugar Shane, Moseley, the legend. If people want to connect with you or chat with you, how do they find you?

Yeah, you can find me on Instagram, Shane Moseley, I think it's with the blue check. I'm coming up my different websites maybe pretty soon, and I'll put that on my Instagram. That's how you can find me. It's from the Instagram.

Perfect, guys. Sugar Shane Moseley, seven-time world champion. Thank you guys for tuning in. God bless.